The thing that he missed is, in the 70's you could buy a muscle car working a part time job out of high school, nowadays your hardest working blue collar worker would dream of owning a car like anything featured here.
Ryder5172 And the thing that you miss, is that even today cars in the us are 3 times cheaper than in europe. Over here we pay about 150k dollars for a zl1 or corvette. Even if cars are more expensive nowadays, you still have to realise that cars and gas are still probably the cheapest in the us
I realize prices in Europe are inflated compared to the US market, but I was referring to the fact that this video almost made it seem like the average american could afford to own a car like this. Which is very far from the truth nowadays, versus 35+ years ago, and it's all in regards to plain and simple inflation
Ryder5172 Who the hell told you that bogus ass story? You couldn't buy a REAL "muscle car" back in those days unless you had some tenure at your job and recieved a few promotions. i don't get how so many people forget that back in those days minimum wage was like 3 bucks an hour in cali. Try buying a 6000 dollar car when you're making 200 bucks a week working full time.
listen, in 1979, working an assembly line job, right out of high school I ordered a camaro Z28 from the factory with money to spare, here in CT making $6 an hr at the time
The 628 HP Dinan M6 is a stroker kit. I'm not sure you can run the stroker kit in conjunction with the supercharger, but if you can, it's probably closer to 800 HP. However, even a base BMW M6 is over $100,000. The stroker kit (installed) is another $30,000, and the supercharger package from Dinan is $20,000. All that together is more than double the price of the 700 HP CTS-V from Hennessey.
700HP from a LSA 6.2L is super easy to make. LS9 cam, under drive pulley,Tune, and a bigger intake is all that's needed. You could get that done for less than $3000.
Yeah thats what I waa thinking but hey if youre rich and dont work on your own stuff I guess they like having the name on the car and warranties and crap some people like handing it over and saying make it fast but personally I'd rather do it myself or at leaat pick out all the parts
dude when the zl1 won that 1st round i was like oh SH1T!!!!!! the cts had more power but somehow the zl1 pulled it off. but when the 3 dudes jumped up in the cts v i was really laughing! cmon this is SO cool! anyway we look at it chevy/GM rocks! now if only they can make a stock zl1 with 700 to shut up the hellcat and gt500. go GM! they should make a deal with hennesy and make some 700 andd 850hp limited edition versions just for the hardcore enthusiasts like me and many other drag racers out in the crowd.
I was replying to the point of the M3 being less tune-able than the ZL-1. Both cars have nearly identical base prices, but to get to the 700 HP level, you're going to spend a lot more money with the M3. That's a valid point when the difference is the price of a whole other car.
yes, but on a dollar-for-dollar ratio, the ZL1 is a much better value for similar performance. The total cost of the ZL1 with HPE package is around $75,000 out the door. The VF engineering M3 was, as tested, nearly $120,000.
If you watch this with surround sound headphones at a high volume, you will most definitely need to change your pants at around 3:26. Good god that car sounds amazing!
SMH at these comments. lol .. Both cars are pretty amazing. Either way ... bring in the specification sheet readers with negative comments in 3 .. 2... 1...
i saw a guy with a hell cat that told me torque has nothing to do with how fast a vehicle can go. i looked at. the guy with a blank face and said "are you serious " he knodded his head said serious. i said well alright then buddy and walked off on him
Great video, the smile on John's face says it all...it's fun. And he's right, some of these foreign car companies don't leave alot of reliable horsepower on the table. If you stress these smaller motors too much it's a go then blow situation. I don't have time for that rebuild it every weekend crap...
one of the reason being is the cylinder walls on the 427 are way to thin to handle the boost of a blower, also high compression kills it to, 427 though harder to boost picks up stupid power with just boltons and a cam
you usually want a lower compression for the ls7, otherwise you'll run into problems. most don't run a higher then 6-8lbs of boost without building the engine. then after that, well go all out. at least this is what I've been hearing and seeing in person
Yup, would love to help anytime. I own a 2ss, myself. I know the Z/28 is way more than the SS. I would recommend that you use it stock initially as it is a LOT of power to begin with. When you start to get used to it, upgrade it. My previous car was 250HP and going to 426HP was a really big deal. Controlling the car and stuff is not as easy as i thought it would be. Especially when having traction control off. Good luck with the Camaro. It's an amazing car.
Matt Farah and Chris Harris have the BEST job on the planet. Color me jealous. Great production value on the Drive videos and my only gripe is that they are on RUclips, which compels me to watch them during work.
Many tuner companies have $2,000 650Hp packages. The camaro's LSA 6.2L is de-tuned because the corvette has to be the fastest. A cam, intake, pulley, ECU flash is all that's needed. cam swaps are super ez with LS v8s.
jeffrey625625 What he's saying is the Corvette is Chevrolet's flagship car, so it's highest performance version has to be faster than any other models high performance package.
We've said this many times: traveling is expensive, and if we get on a plane, we have to make at least 4 episodes to make the flight financially work out. Hennessey tunes a wide variety of cars and gave us full access to his demo fleet. So when we went there, we took advantage of the situation and drove a few different cars. That's all.
Thanks Abdul, I'll check out SLP and Lingenfelter too. I plan to get the new 2014 Camaro Z/28 and was considering having it tuned right out of the factory. I reached out to Hennessey first after seeing a promo Jay Leno did with him. I also saw Howard Tanner (Redline) out there, but I didn't reach out to him yet. I'll keep doing research! Thanks again for your help.
seating for 5, with a usable trunk, you can see out of it, and it looks way better... that CTS-V is badass, i hope one day i'll have one for a daily driver
Calling someone fat is literally the laziest way to insult someone, and reeks of lack of creativity. Just because cost is taken into consideration doesn't mean we won't do expensive cars. A tuned Lamborghini is expensive, but when you compare it to other cars with similar performance (I.E. Pagani Zonda, Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari Enzo, etc), it's a very good value for money. And as the host and PRODUCER of the show, yes, I make the show.
both car are super clean. thats the first station wagon i seen thats worth getting cant beat the style and power of a wagon and camaro is extra loud that i also like. i have a 08 trailblazer ss and it would be nice to see a hennessey tbss only cause i havent seen or heard of one yet. wish i had the cash to be the first one to do it in 2013 it was be really nice
Had a 2013 CTSV coupe with Hennessey HP700. Bought it with 5k miles for cheap and sent it in for the package. Best thing I ever did. Sold it to a friend so its still in the fam. Had to get another car.
Amazing......old time muscle is great but the new tech with the new horsepower has brought the new era muscle cars to an unbelievable level. To all the new car specialty manufactures "I say thank you!"
I love that Hennessey changes the engine parts, instead of just slapping on a massive supercharger and saying oh this is fast, but this is equaly fast and will last
you missed the joke, Hennessey was referring to the extra weight over the back tires as "traction control" which helped him get a better launch and beat me.
@VonenEsp I understand what you're saying but you have to remember, that M5 is bi-turbo. Turbos always have benefit of making big power from smaller displacement. If Hennessey's kit swapped out the blower for twin turbo... this car would be making more power
707hp/717ft.lb torque for $75,000, thats a great deal for that car! That magnetic suspension is the way to go for 2014. Its great to see American cars with big brakes and tuned suspension, the GT500 has a long way to go to get to the ZL1's status!
The suspension on the Z/28 is even more sophisticated than the one on the ZL-1. I'm a Mopar guy and there is no denying that GM has the most sophisticated suspension systems in the world. Just listen to the guy talk about the new suspension on the Z/28 - F1 technology that not even the Porsche GT3 has!
In Australia we have Ford falcon FG which are the new models they have a 4ltr Turbo Inline 6cly twin overhead cam. The guy that I work with his ute or pick up as you guys call tham makes 420rwkw and does the 1/4 mile in 10.80 stock trim running ET drag radials. $38,000 not bad for half the engine size and price.
these machines are both very impressive, you don't learn to respect machines like this until you take a ride back into the past and look to see just how far we've come. id choose the wagon
That's not always true.. take an e9x series, the 335 can get a dinan tune that blasts more boost in to the car and can add up to 100 hp and 120 torque to the wheels, and it's still covered by warranty. However, that is true for something like an m3, a tune and exhaust, if I remember right, will only net like 15 hp.
I couldnt agree more about GM LS-based engines. My father has a LT1 Impala with over 183K miles that he uses as an everyday work car and its extremely reliable. The only thing that he had to replace on it was a fuel pump. Other than that he drives it constantly.
I prefer manual too. But I believe it's a double clutch transmission. "Automated manual". AWD is better than Rear wheel drive though. Especially when the AWD is bias to the rear wheels. Which it is in the RS6. So it feels like a Rear wheel, but you have the grip of All wheel.
When he was driving the ZL1... I could smell the unburned fuel leaving the exhaust... You know... the classic muscle car smell... Yeah that sound is beautiful.
meaning that to put 100 or more HP you would have to upgrade hard parts like axle shafts, heads, crank, pistions and rods. With these 550+ hp car u can add 200 more HP without changing hard parts just a few bolt-ons I heard ppl getting 1k hp out of stock LQ4/9s with a simple arp bolt up grade out the bottom end and holding.
You can buy one from Hennessey (the 700hp one) for $120,000. They have a shop in Texas and one in California. Or, if the 750hp Lingenfelter Camaro sounds better (plus, a good reputable shop- lookup "hennescrewed"), that is only a $35k, or 38k for 775 hp upgrade. So about half the price for more power from a better company with 3x the warranty.
The camaro just looks so much angrier than a dodge or mustang. And the sound🤘🏻
I agree
The thing that he missed is, in the 70's you could buy a muscle car working a part time job out of high school, nowadays your hardest working blue collar worker would dream of owning a car like anything featured here.
Ryder5172 And the thing that you miss, is that even today cars in the us are 3 times cheaper than in europe. Over here we pay about 150k dollars for a zl1 or corvette. Even if cars are more expensive nowadays, you still have to realise that cars and gas are still probably the cheapest in the us
I realize prices in Europe are inflated compared to the US market, but I was referring to the fact that this video almost made it seem like the average american could afford to own a car like this. Which is very far from the truth nowadays, versus 35+ years ago, and it's all in regards to plain and simple inflation
Ryder5172 Who the hell told you that bogus ass story? You couldn't buy a REAL "muscle car" back in those days unless you had some tenure at your job and recieved a few promotions. i don't get how so many people forget that back in those days minimum wage was like 3 bucks an hour in cali. Try buying a 6000 dollar car when you're making 200 bucks a week working full time.
listen, in 1979, working an assembly line job, right out of high school I ordered a camaro Z28 from the factory with money to spare, here in CT making $6 an hr at the time
Ryder5172
Ya but that's probably being fathered in by someone who has it already.
That Camaro looks mean as hell
The 628 HP Dinan M6 is a stroker kit. I'm not sure you can run the stroker kit in conjunction with the supercharger, but if you can, it's probably closer to 800 HP. However, even a base BMW M6 is over $100,000. The stroker kit (installed) is another $30,000, and the supercharger package from Dinan is $20,000. All that together is more than double the price of the 700 HP CTS-V from Hennessey.
700HP from a LSA 6.2L is super easy to make.
LS9 cam, under drive pulley,Tune, and a bigger intake is all that's needed.
You could get that done for less than $3000.
Yeah thats what I waa thinking but hey if youre rich and dont work on your own stuff I guess they like having the name on the car and warranties and crap some people like handing it over and saying make it fast but personally I'd rather do it myself or at leaat pick out all the parts
THEAVERAGEGAMER13 Makes me wonder why they want like $10,000.
When a $300 LS9 cam, $100 pulley and a $500 tune will get you 700hp.
Hahaha
@@3rdGenGuy because 💰
I posted the times below, but here we go again.
CTS-V: 11.08 @ 132
ZL1: 11.20 @ 129
Street tires, not much elevation, 90 degree ambient temp
That's a lot of money. To go low 11s. Not impressed..
Yep, I had a '72 Camaro Rally Sport & looking forward to a 2017 ZL1
they are called dillon optics. the anti-glare lens is sort of their thing, as they also make lenses for sniper rifles.
This car is just badass
7:19 on the ring for the ZR-1, 7:41 for the ZL1, 7:59 for the CTS-V... and Europeans call us ignorant....
dude when the zl1 won that 1st round i was like oh SH1T!!!!!! the cts had more power but somehow the zl1 pulled it off. but when the 3 dudes jumped up in the cts v i was really laughing! cmon this is SO cool! anyway we look at it chevy/GM rocks! now if only they can make a stock zl1 with 700 to shut up the hellcat and gt500. go GM! they should make a deal with hennesy and make some 700 andd 850hp limited edition versions just for the hardcore enthusiasts like me and many other drag racers out in the crowd.
I was replying to the point of the M3 being less tune-able than the ZL-1. Both cars have nearly identical base prices, but to get to the 700 HP level, you're going to spend a lot more money with the M3. That's a valid point when the difference is the price of a whole other car.
A car can NEVER be too loud.
An old Mazda 6 with a broken exhaust manifold is ALWAYS TOO LOUD!
yes, but on a dollar-for-dollar ratio, the ZL1 is a much better value for similar performance. The total cost of the ZL1 with HPE package is around $75,000 out the door. The VF engineering M3 was, as tested, nearly $120,000.
If you watch this with surround sound headphones at a high volume, you will most definitely need to change your pants at around 3:26. Good god that car sounds amazing!
yes, anniversary edition.
SMH at these comments. lol .. Both cars are pretty amazing. Either way ... bring in the specification sheet readers with negative comments in 3 .. 2... 1...
Chard Davis , lmao ikr both are amazing cars, personally I wouldn't buy the wagon but its still sick.
both cars RIPPED! that ZL1 sounds SICK!!!! if Matt farah says its loud that means it sounds FULL ON SICK SWEEET!
the sunset shots in this video were perfect.
and the ending with the extra passengers was funny.
Screw HP. Torque matters.
Isn't torque a result of HP? I mean all torque is is 2 forces acting in opposite directions.
Gotcha
HP is just torque multiplied by your RPM, all divided by 5252. So... they both matter?
LSA comes 556 with torque stock, so with these mods I'm sure its around 700.
i saw a guy with a hell cat that told me torque has nothing to do with how fast a vehicle can go. i looked at. the guy with a blank face and said "are you serious " he knodded his head said serious. i said well alright then buddy and walked off on him
Great video, the smile on John's face says it all...it's fun. And he's right, some of these foreign car companies don't leave alot of reliable horsepower on the table. If you stress these smaller motors too much it's a go then blow situation. I don't have time for that rebuild it every weekend crap...
To hell with traction control, just put 3 men in your car.
sweet dreams Someone trying to talk logic when responding to a joke, strike one bud.
I met John back in 1991 when he had a 2 bay garage on the wrong side of the tracks in Houston. Now look at you boy! Lol
I wonder why GM never supercharged their 427 instead of switching to supercharging the 376
one of the reason being is the cylinder walls on the 427 are way to thin to handle the boost of a blower, also high compression kills it to, 427 though harder to boost picks up stupid power with just boltons and a cam
MichaelH210 what are you saying. High compression is a must for that big of displacement.
you usually want a lower compression for the ls7, otherwise you'll run into problems. most don't run a higher then 6-8lbs of boost without building the engine. then after that, well go all out. at least this is what I've been hearing and seeing in person
Your right I got confused but on a N/A setup higher compression fills up cylinders better.
On boost you really don't want any higher than 9:1
I'm way late on this thread, but this was the most educational one.
Thanks fellas.
Yup, would love to help anytime. I own a 2ss, myself. I know the Z/28 is way more than the SS. I would recommend that you use it stock initially as it is a LOT of power to begin with. When you start to get used to it, upgrade it. My previous car was 250HP and going to 426HP was a really big deal. Controlling the car and stuff is not as easy as i thought it would be. Especially when having traction control off. Good luck with the Camaro. It's an amazing car.
707 horsepower . Guess that was Dodges inspiration.
yes except it's out the factory that way. would love to see a modified post factory hellcat
@@kenji3stacks201 what about the zl1 1le callaway with 750 hp? Thsts the most powerful camaro and everyone's forgot about it
we didn't measure 0-60, only quarter mile, where it did an 11.2 at 129 on street tires.
Nice non existent 1/4 mile numbers....
Mr Hennessey seems like a really decent person and his passion makes him someone to admire. That camaros sound gives me shivers and looks sublime WOW!
Better than a SRT Hellcat
Matt Farah and Chris Harris have the BEST job on the planet. Color me jealous. Great production value on the Drive videos and my only gripe is that they are on RUclips, which compels me to watch them during work.
Wait, 20,000 for all the upgrades in this car shown here? This can work :)
Many tuner companies have $2,000 650Hp packages.
The camaro's LSA 6.2L is de-tuned because the corvette has to be the fastest.
A cam, intake, pulley, ECU flash is all that's needed.
cam swaps are super ez with LS v8s.
Stephen Bagnell the base corvette is slower than the zl1
jeffrey625625 What he's saying is the Corvette is Chevrolet's flagship car, so it's highest performance version has to be faster than any other models high performance package.
jeffrey625625
The ZR1 and Z06 have to be faster than the Camaro because they are more expensive.
GM has been doing this since the 1960's.
Stephen Bagnell Except for the Buick GNX :)
We've said this many times: traveling is expensive, and if we get on a plane, we have to make at least 4 episodes to make the flight financially work out. Hennessey tunes a wide variety of cars and gave us full access to his demo fleet. So when we went there, we took advantage of the situation and drove a few different cars. That's all.
Doesn't really matter if your car has 700 horsepower when it weighs over 2 tons.
Do you understand power to weight?
tell that to the hellcats
sweet dreams the ZL1 is 4150lbs with the 6 speed manual.
So ya 2 tons.
they are called Dillon Optics, you can go to The Smoking Tire website and click on the banner on the top right.
The drag race with the car full of passengers at the end.... f-ing hilarious! :)
How the hell do you not love the sound of that cam? Jizztastic!
WoW! This is probably the BEST sounding Camaro i've heard so far :O
Thanks Abdul, I'll check out SLP and Lingenfelter too. I plan to get the new 2014 Camaro Z/28 and was considering having it tuned right out of the factory. I reached out to Hennessey first after seeing a promo Jay Leno did with him. I also saw Howard Tanner (Redline) out there, but I didn't reach out to him yet. I'll keep doing research! Thanks again for your help.
@drive matt just straight up you have the most fun job I have ever seen
Finally someone shows some class. The best colour for the Sub.
Good episode I especially like the ending the Wagon beat the ZL1 with the drive crew inside!!LOL!!!Meaning everyone had fun!!
it won't require much convincing. We're on it.
LOL it's awesome I drive past their HQ every time i go to and from my school. They always have a couple of cars around the side, it makes me smile. :)
That CTS-V wagon was crazy! I'm "all in" with that one as soon as my lottery winnings come in, once I actually win the lottery.
"Supercharger Pulley Upgrade" is listed in the HPE700 package on Hennessey's website.
They already do.
The exhaust sound is amazing
it's a flash, not a stand-alone.
I have no idea, I drove it pretty hard so it wasn't very good, but I assume if you keep your foot out of it, you can get as good or better than stock.
lmfao the ending was the greatest, Matt: "across the creek? then they'll call someone else right?" cop: yep probably
seating for 5, with a usable trunk, you can see out of it, and it looks way better... that CTS-V is badass, i hope one day i'll have one for a daily driver
Calling someone fat is literally the laziest way to insult someone, and reeks of lack of creativity.
Just because cost is taken into consideration doesn't mean we won't do expensive cars. A tuned Lamborghini is expensive, but when you compare it to other cars with similar performance (I.E. Pagani Zonda, Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari Enzo, etc), it's a very good value for money.
And as the host and PRODUCER of the show, yes, I make the show.
both car are super clean. thats the first station wagon i seen thats worth getting cant beat the style and power of a wagon and camaro is extra loud that i also like. i have a 08 trailblazer ss and it would be nice to see a hennessey tbss only cause i havent seen or heard of one yet. wish i had the cash to be the first one to do it in 2013 it was be really nice
@Mauryd22 A raptor, corvette, Aston vanquish and Volkswagen lemons car
Had a 2013 CTSV coupe with Hennessey HP700. Bought it with 5k miles for cheap and sent it in for the package. Best thing I ever did. Sold it to a friend so its still in the fam. Had to get another car.
The sound is amazing.
Amazing......old time muscle is great but the new tech with the new horsepower has brought the new era muscle cars to an unbelievable level. To all the new car specialty manufactures "I say thank you!"
sick episode. the drag race was awesome!
yes, Hennessey re-tunes the Auto and it works well.
That wagon is just SOOOO SICK!
That wagons putting out a hell of a lot more than just 700 hp!
oh man i love the sound that wagon makes!
I love that Hennessey changes the engine parts, instead of just slapping on a massive supercharger and saying oh this is fast, but this is equaly fast and will last
I agree, even the car in stock form is awesome. Great car and great deal. I am looking forward to owning one someday.
wow didnt think the heavier cts-v wouldve beat that camaro let alone with 3 other passengers!! 2 amazing cars!
you missed the joke, Hennessey was referring to the extra weight over the back tires as "traction control" which helped him get a better launch and beat me.
Another great video Matt, I love Tuned..thank you. :)
Camaro + CTS-V = the symphony of raw horsepower and loud exhausts.
@VonenEsp I understand what you're saying but you have to remember, that M5 is bi-turbo. Turbos always have benefit of making big power from smaller displacement. If Hennessey's kit swapped out the blower for twin turbo... this car would be making more power
707hp/717ft.lb torque for $75,000, thats a great deal for that car! That magnetic suspension is the way to go for 2014. Its great to see American cars with big brakes and tuned suspension, the GT500 has a long way to go to get to the ZL1's status!
The suspension on the Z/28 is even more sophisticated than the one on the ZL-1. I'm a Mopar guy and there is no denying that GM has the most sophisticated suspension systems in the world. Just listen to the guy talk about the new suspension on the Z/28 - F1 technology that not even the Porsche GT3 has!
except this car doesn't have the pulley, it makes stock boost.
In Australia we have Ford falcon FG which are the new models they have a 4ltr Turbo Inline 6cly twin overhead cam. The guy that I work with his ute or pick up as you guys call tham makes 420rwkw and does the 1/4 mile in 10.80 stock trim running ET drag radials. $38,000 not bad for half the engine size and price.
Agree with you 100%... They just keep getting better!
these machines are both very impressive, you don't learn to respect machines like this until you take a ride back into the past and look to see just how far we've come. id choose the wagon
Awesome video Matt.
Did you not watch the part talking about the magnetic suspension??
thanx 4 replaying
Great video as always
That V8 sound put a big smile on my face
You can put virtually any GM based engine into a Nova.
That's not always true.. take an e9x series, the 335 can get a dinan tune that blasts more boost in to the car and can add up to 100 hp and 120 torque to the wheels, and it's still covered by warranty. However, that is true for something like an m3, a tune and exhaust, if I remember right, will only net like 15 hp.
I believe the new Shelby is an Aluminum block. Most people use boat anchors for boat anchors actually.
That exhaust gave me an eargasm.
Nice review
I couldnt agree more about GM LS-based engines. My father has a LT1 Impala with over 183K miles that he uses as an everyday work car and its extremely reliable. The only thing that he had to replace on it was a fuel pump. Other than that he drives it constantly.
thanks for confirming, i wasnt sure so i didnt wanna say if they were or not
Love these tuned cars
I prefer manual too. But I believe it's a double clutch transmission. "Automated manual". AWD is better than Rear wheel drive though. Especially when the AWD is bias to the rear wheels. Which it is in the RS6. So it feels like a Rear wheel, but you have the grip of All wheel.
4:12 "...great fuel economy..." I think that's relative :D
Well Dang! The CTS-V with all seats filled, still whooped the Camaro. @ 10:47.
Joel frank ain't no ctsv going to whopping no camaro zl1 stop this shit
When he was driving the ZL1... I could smell the unburned fuel leaving the exhaust... You know... the classic muscle car smell... Yeah that sound is beautiful.
Love the new muscle cars! Every brand.
God, that is a beautiful Camaro. I got a 97 Camaro which I upgraded to 300hp. Nothing fancy but she is my baby. If I had 700 hp I'd be in jail :)
Thats fine, and I think most people would agree with you. It's when you go into the 700 to 800 HP mark you need a good base to do so...
his sunglasses are matte finished lens, made by dillon optics if anyones wondering
meaning that to put 100 or more HP you would have to upgrade hard parts like axle shafts, heads, crank, pistions and rods. With these 550+ hp car u can add 200 more HP without changing hard parts just a few bolt-ons I heard ppl getting 1k hp out of stock LQ4/9s with a simple arp bolt up grade out the bottom end and holding.
I wish they made the new camaro like this one ,this camaro is nice
My GOD that Camaro sounds INSANE !
You can buy one from Hennessey (the 700hp one) for $120,000. They have a shop in Texas and one in California. Or, if the 750hp Lingenfelter Camaro sounds better (plus, a good reputable shop- lookup "hennescrewed"), that is only a $35k, or 38k for 775 hp upgrade. So about half the price for more power from a better company with 3x the warranty.