I am retired now, learned to fly went going to college, after I got out of the Marines, flew single engine Pipers around, owned a Piper 79 Archer and 82 Tomahawk.
+bobl78 It has internal air tank and when the motor is running it tops itself off. They don't normally have to use an external tank, in this case maybe the tank was on the empty side from long storage or uncooperative engine just consumed all the air.
Wilga is the Polish name of the bird golden oriole. PZL 104 Wilga was constructed in 1960, with first flight in 24 April 1962. Three engines were used in the Wilga: 1) russian radial AI-14R, 2)Continental O-470 and at the end of production Turbo Prop 3) Lycoming IO-720. In 2001, the company PZL became part of the EADS Group (EADS Casa, currently Airbus Military). In 2008 the last aircraft PZL 104MN was produced.
j' Adore ce petit Wilga, voyant un long et encourageant démarrage bien sur! j' En ai vu un qui remorquais des planeurs en France! Merci pour le partage, un abonné français...
The Wilga PZL 35 is an extraordinary plane, extrem taildragger, Ringelpietz normal, nearly vstol, landing against the wind im Notfall über 40 Knoten auch quer zur Bahn, landen wie ein Hubschrauber. Ein geiles Gerät: D-EDDG
You had to remove spark plugs and then spin propeller to clean cylinders from oil and petrol. It's happens with radial engines due to oil in the lower cylinders. Lucky for you, that you avoid hydro strike. Also it's good idea to change oil in this type of engines after long stop.
@@dwightstjohn6927 draco is based on wilga. Purpose was to fit powerful turbine engine 650 hp instead of oryginal piston one. Also wilga was mass produced in factory and Draco is custom made.
Yes,most of the eastern bloc airplanes with gasoline engines used air starters, sounds like an air drill. I fly a Yak-52 occasionally and it has an air starter. Look on RUclips for yak-52 engine startup.
PZL-104 Wilga, rare variant called 80. Goraszka airfield, EPGO, good old days: not on the map anymore. Sebastian in controls, technician Boguś in service… best guys in class.
@Bla Bla you don't feel those forces that much, you just try to stay on the middle of the runway while taking off and to fly with your wings horizontally, that's all what matters
Flew in one of these at a glider field in Latvia back in 1990. It was just a grass strip ,but there was a Mig 21 parked off to the side( pilot got lost?). It was a nice little flight - over the ruins of the Cesis castle. Certainly remains the smallest aircraft I've ever flown in!
I have fired a many P&W on our DC-3 hot, cold but if you don't have a good knowledge of radial engines. You'll find this same ordeal. But pretty cool aircraft.
They should have taken out the lower spark plugs and spun the engine through to expell some of the oil that was built up in there. It would have started much easier. Also should have used more primer fuel. Air starter was clearly gummed up with old oil.
At the Air Force Museum at Dayton, Ohio, I saw a 1930s service truck, with a power take-off apparently used to start the prop planes of that era.... could come in useful even today....
Вильга любит когда руками винт ей накручивают. С первой попытки запуск не получился - вылез, винт покрутил, цилиндры продул и со второго раза запускается уже без проблем, правда иногда надо шприцём поддержать
Does anyone know the manufacturer/supplier of the additional exhaust-dampers, as mountend underside fuselage?? I would greatly appreciate if someone could provide this info. Kind regards.
Haven't read most of the comments... however, the puff of smoke at the very beginning says a lot! First, this engine is notorious for oil consumption that today would ground any aircraft. The puff no doubt was a sign that oil most likely accumulated around the spark plug. It happened before fuel ever had a chance to get to the cylinders. It is most likely why the need to enrich the fuel-air mixture was necessary just to clear the fouled plugs. This is NOT an isolated incident. Engines of this type had VLT (very low tolerances unlike even the newer same type versions today. Rule of thumb... like they did back then... the cylinders were cleared and the plugs were then reinstalled. Much easier than destroying a starter on every start up.
Bill Yost All radials drain oil to the lower cylinders. Yes, if they accumulate to much then they have to be drained through the plug holes. If there was to much oil in the cylinders at start up , you would get hydraulic lock and bend a connecting rod . A damaged starter really isn’t the issue here, it’s the connecting rods. No matter how well you drain the oil through the rear spark plug hole in all the lower cylinders ,some oil will remain in the cylinder head with the valves . When turning the prop through before each start up to check for hydraulic lock , the valves open and have no choice other than swallow oil .After you clear the cylinders and you do start the engine , you will get smoke , lots of it . Hell, you should see the oil that will spit out the exhaust from what the open valves let in .So all this is normal here . Gee wiz,, what do I know ??? . 17 years of flying Beavers and Otters every day in Alaska helps.
It's a radial, that's what they do. When you start a radial that's been sitting overnight+ you have to rotate the prop to pump the oil out of the bottom cylinders which accumulates normally.
A damaged starter is not possible as there is not a starter on these engines...they start with compressed air. You can "crank" all you want until you run out of air, however, if it doesn't start on the first few blades you are wasting air. Stop and figure out what part of the equation is missing / incorrect; fuel, air, or spark.
A radial engine is like a beautiful woman. She wants to sleep with you, but doesn’t want to seem too loose and easy. That's why radials are always stubborn. As for the plane, that’s a goofy-looking machine, kind of like a giant insect.
With such Wilga we had the flight times of exactly 3.5 min counting from the start with a glider on the tow...going up to 300 m, "falling down" and landing. Have not seen other towing plane which could be so quick.
Looks like it's time for an engine rebuild my friend, so if this motor stalls in the air, you cant restart it without air assistance? How is that gonna work out for ya?
Yes ! The "Wilga" (the polish female name of the bird) it was a plane fully constructed and manufactured by polish aero-engineers I believe in 70's, that means during the communism regime time in Poland. Wilga plane, received a popular name as "Aero-Taxi", because of its capacity for three passengers, and also especially for the short distances for pretty short take-off and also landing. I believe, that even up for today is still in production in Poland, but as a much modernized version of it rather that PZL [104-35]. Fly !! ...~ Wilga ~.... Fly !!
To nasza jedyna udana konstrukcja co lata i jest produkowana. Szkoda że kupuja ją inni a my wybieramy złom Cessna. Nigdy nie słyszałem zeby Wilga sie rozbiła Cessna non stop.
@@kamillkowalski619 Silnik był uruchamiany po długim postoju więc należało się spodziewać pewnych trudności. A Wilga to świetny sprzęt jak na epokę z którego jest.
Wasn't this nick named "The Iron Butterfly"? I remember reading about the plane and it's extremely robust landing gear in the same magazine where they introduce the Cessna Caravan after Fed Ex ordered 200 of them. And that muffler is not what you call common either. But with all the pollution from the radial engine, they should sand bag the whole lot of them until they find a better source of power. That was disgusting, and typical for radial engines too. Other than that, an impressive plane for sure.
so what if you are out there and the N2 bottle is not available ,, how many starts attempts can you get from the onboard bottle and how you bring it up by 200 pump actions ???
that continuous cranking is really irritating to me. I would stop and figure out the problem and try again. Maybe charge up the battery to. Good luck. Is that air starter? That's better then burning a electric starter. Guess it was flooded.
They need to do away with the air start system. That's a good size radial. They're temperamental starters anyway. You need good sparks and lots of electrical power to turn over the starter. If you had to get out fast with this- uh, no. Once the engine goes, it's a cool aircraft.
You need power and spark. That engine is straining to start. Get a Put Put. If this is an air start engine, you're barking up the wrong tree as it were. Very cool aircraft design.
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A thought that was a power cord. I've never seen an air start before
+LogoSeven check inertial starter ruclips.net/video/q649rDWpoG4/видео.html it makes sounds like in looney toons cartoons wih road runner and coyote :)
I am retired now, learned to fly went going to college, after I got out of the Marines, flew single engine Pipers around, owned a Piper 79 Archer and 82 Tomahawk.
and what if it dies in the air and needs to be restarted ?
+bobl78
It has internal air tank and when the motor is running it tops itself off. They don't normally have to use an external tank, in this case maybe the tank was on the empty side from long storage or uncooperative engine just consumed all the air.
CACTUS48
What does that into have to do with anything?
Wilga is the Polish name of the bird golden oriole. PZL 104 Wilga was constructed in 1960, with first flight in 24 April 1962. Three engines were used in the Wilga: 1) russian radial AI-14R, 2)Continental O-470 and at the end of production Turbo Prop 3) Lycoming IO-720. In 2001, the company PZL became part of the EADS Group (EADS Casa, currently Airbus Military). In 2008 the last aircraft PZL 104MN was produced.
j' Adore ce petit Wilga, voyant un long et encourageant démarrage bien sur! j' En ai vu un qui remorquais des planeurs en France! Merci pour le partage, un abonné français...
Love the sound of those radial engines!!
The Wilga PZL 35 is an extraordinary plane, extrem taildragger, Ringelpietz normal, nearly vstol, landing against the wind im Notfall über 40 Knoten auch quer zur Bahn, landen wie ein Hubschrauber. Ein geiles Gerät: D-EDDG
You had to remove spark plugs and then spin propeller to clean cylinders from oil and petrol. It's happens with radial engines due to oil in the lower cylinders. Lucky for you, that you avoid hydro strike. Also it's good idea to change oil in this type of engines after long stop.
All that was made before atempt :)))
This one is just stubborn 😀
I love the Wilga, it's such an odd design, like a flying ice cream cone with knees.
Hahaha true!
Check out Draco.
You are welcome.
@@fromaggiovagiola9128 are both licensed designs belonging to some one else??? they're so similar. like the physics involved. makes sense.
@@dwightstjohn6927 draco is based on wilga. Purpose was to fit powerful turbine engine 650 hp instead of oryginal piston one. Also wilga was mass produced in factory and Draco is custom made.
I find it like a Dragon fly !
The first 4 minutes are really exciting.
That plane looks beautiful and awesome.
Yes,most of the eastern bloc airplanes with gasoline engines used air starters, sounds like an air drill. I fly a Yak-52 occasionally and it has an air starter. Look on RUclips for yak-52 engine startup.
The humble Wilma is what God flys when he takes time off to fly fish in distant locations. Once you fly one, nothing else will ever measure up.
I know nothing about aircraft but this looks like a flying engine! Is this an example of how not to start a radial engine??
Wow! I like the sound of this engine, seems very smooth & balanced well. Very quiet. I'd like to see it perform.
+Bobby
It's got a muffler, most planes don't, and you know how much louder leaky mufflers are with cars.
I’ve been around a Wilga that had quite a loud engine :D
I'm seeing Basil Fawlty sitting in the cockpit shouting "Start you vicious bastard" ! Right! now you're going to get a damned good thrashing "
Awesome vortex of the prop! love seeing that in cold temperatures.
PZL-104 Wilga, rare variant called 80. Goraszka airfield, EPGO, good old days: not on the map anymore. Sebastian in controls, technician Boguś in service… best guys in class.
Engines in the background rev in encouragement...
That engine is spinning clockwise !! Never seen that before !!
@Bla Bla you don't feel those forces that much, you just try to stay on the middle of the runway while taking off and to fly with your wings horizontally, that's all what matters
Flew in one of these at a glider field in Latvia back in 1990. It was just a grass strip ,but there was a Mig 21 parked off to the side( pilot got lost?). It was a nice little flight - over the ruins of the Cesis castle. Certainly remains the smallest aircraft I've ever flown in!
beauty of having a variable pitch prop, you can rev the engine right up without producing thrust if you want too
The start up attempts made me clinch my jaws so hard they hurt
God I love listening to radial engines. I could listen to a radial engine read the phone book ;)
I have fired a many P&W on our DC-3 hot, cold but if you don't have a good knowledge of radial engines. You'll find this same ordeal. But pretty cool aircraft.
They should have taken out the lower spark plugs and spun the engine through to expell some of the oil that was built up in there. It would have started much easier. Also should have used more primer fuel. Air starter was clearly gummed up with old oil.
Najlepszy samolot na świecie !
What an amazing looking machine. I want one
Would you like one that starts???
Wow. To dam cool. Thanks for the video. From my hill top in. Sc
It gets interesting at 03:05
Remindd me of the start scene in flight of the phoenix:)
U PUT THE EXHAUST RITE UNDER THE PLANE....? REALLY?? DDAAAAAAAA
Excellent film footage and sound.
At the Air Force Museum at Dayton, Ohio, I saw a 1930s service truck, with a power take-off apparently used to start the prop planes of that era.... could come in useful even today....
Did you hand rotate the prop a few cycles before attempting the start ..
It gets all the oil moving and might help
I was going to say cool little plane but jeez look how long it took to get that thing started remind me some of my first cars
Keep in mind that this is first startup after winter storage (in unheated hangar).
@@airtech9908 did not realize it had been sitting so long cool little plane
Give it a good spray of starting fluid!
+Osprexx Or a push:)
It needs some “ Start ya Bastard” spray.
Вильга любит когда руками винт ей накручивают. С первой попытки запуск не получился - вылез, винт покрутил, цилиндры продул и со второго раза запускается уже без проблем, правда иногда надо шприцём поддержать
No way I’m standing inline with that blade at all but I guess camera man never dies 😂
I have never heard such a QUIET radial before.. thats incredible. Hearing only the prop?
Mike should buy this and make it DRACO 2 again!!
Does anyone know the manufacturer/supplier of the additional exhaust-dampers, as mountend underside fuselage?? I would greatly appreciate if someone could provide this info. Kind regards.
What a look of this plane amazing
Spectacular, noisy old things. Great for turning avgas into noise!
Haven't read most of the comments... however, the puff of smoke at the very beginning says a lot!
First, this engine is notorious for oil consumption that today would ground any aircraft. The puff no doubt was a sign that oil most likely accumulated around the spark plug. It happened before fuel ever had a chance to get to the cylinders. It is most likely why the need to enrich the fuel-air mixture was necessary just to clear the fouled plugs. This is NOT an isolated incident. Engines of this type had VLT (very low tolerances unlike even the newer same type versions today. Rule of thumb... like they did back then... the cylinders were cleared and the plugs were then reinstalled. Much easier than destroying a starter on every start up.
Bill Yost All radials drain oil to the lower cylinders. Yes, if they accumulate to much then they have to be drained through the plug holes. If there was to much oil in the cylinders at start up , you would get hydraulic lock and bend a connecting rod . A damaged starter really isn’t the issue here, it’s the connecting rods. No matter how well you drain the oil through the rear spark plug hole in all the lower cylinders ,some oil will remain in the cylinder head with the valves . When turning the prop through before each start up to check for hydraulic lock , the valves open and have no choice other than swallow oil .After you clear the cylinders and you do start the engine , you will get smoke , lots of it . Hell, you should see the oil that will spit out the exhaust from what the open valves let in .So all this is normal here . Gee wiz,, what do I know ??? . 17 years of flying Beavers and Otters every day in Alaska helps.
flycubfly, yep.
It's a radial, that's what they do. When you start a radial that's been sitting overnight+ you have to rotate the prop to pump the oil out of the bottom cylinders which accumulates normally.
A damaged starter is not possible as there is not a starter on these engines...they start with compressed air. You can "crank" all you want until you run out of air, however, if it doesn't start on the first few blades you are wasting air. Stop and figure out what part of the equation is missing / incorrect; fuel, air, or spark.
A radial engine is like a beautiful woman. She wants to sleep with you, but doesn’t want to seem too loose and easy. That's why radials are always stubborn.
As for the plane, that’s a goofy-looking machine, kind of like a giant insect.
Why record this video while all the background noise drowns out the wilga ??
Sad that so many non-aviators got recommended this video. The general public doesn't understand.
With such Wilga we had the flight times of exactly 3.5 min counting from the start with a glider on the tow...going up to 300 m, "falling down" and landing. Have not seen other towing plane which could be so quick.
I'm glad i'm never getting that six minutes of my life back!
We can admit it... if we’re watching RUclips videos, the 6 minutes wasn’t really that important. 😃
Looks like it's time for an engine rebuild my friend, so if this motor stalls in the air, you cant restart it without air assistance? How is that gonna work out for ya?
Chocks are quite close to that prop!
I never saw a plane with a muffler before, seems pretty quiet.
There’s just something cool about this plane.
Yeah I like the suspension knuckles up front.
Yes ! The "Wilga" (the polish female name of the bird) it was a plane fully constructed and manufactured by polish aero-engineers I believe in 70's, that means during the communism regime time in Poland. Wilga plane, received a popular name as "Aero-Taxi", because of its capacity for three passengers, and also especially for the short distances for pretty short take-off and also landing. I believe, that even up for today is still in production in Poland, but as a much modernized version of it rather that PZL [104-35]. Fly !! ...~ Wilga ~.... Fly !!
To nasza jedyna udana konstrukcja co lata i jest produkowana. Szkoda że kupuja ją inni a my wybieramy złom Cessna. Nigdy nie słyszałem zeby Wilga sie rozbiła Cessna non stop.
Wilga is for oriole, not "female bird". :)
I had a yak 52 there is a knack this guy hasn’t got it.
Эээттоо жжеее прибалтыыыы...
finally got the cylinders cleared, only took several hours.
Looks like an engine made by a tobacco company, sort of like one of those 1980s six cylinder Volvos...
Na tym samolocie sie wyszkolilem i zdobylem Licencje Pilota
To gratuluję odwagi ,Jak widzę jak on zapala to no chciałbym nim latać.
@@kamillkowalski619 Silnik był uruchamiany po długim postoju więc należało się spodziewać pewnych trudności. A Wilga to świetny sprzęt jak na epokę z którego jest.
@@Darek80 jak się odpala wogule silniki samolotowe?
@@kamillkowalski619 Tak jak samochodowe
Mieszanka iskrowniki start
Wasn't this nick named "The Iron Butterfly"? I remember reading about the plane and it's extremely robust landing gear in the same magazine where they introduce the Cessna Caravan after Fed Ex ordered 200 of them. And that muffler is not what you call common either. But with all the pollution from the radial engine, they should sand bag the whole lot of them until they find a better source of power. That was disgusting, and typical for radial engines too. Other than that, an impressive plane for sure.
If its as hard to kill, as it is to start, I could live with that... :P
+De Lord :D
Fantastic Video,Fantastic Sound...Liked
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so what if you are out there and the N2 bottle is not available ,, how many starts attempts can you get from the onboard bottle and how you bring it up by 200 pump actions ???
No Flying then :D
@Jake Dymesich it has an air powered starter
Why the pipe or bar on the leading edge?
This is what you get when you cross a Piper Cub with a horsefly.
that continuous cranking is really irritating to me. I would stop and figure out the problem and try again. Maybe charge up the battery to. Good luck. Is that air starter? That's better then burning a electric starter. Guess it was flooded.
I wonder if Patey will try to buy another one after "Draco" crashed.
He did buy another wilga and intends to build an improved version of draco
How does an air starting engine work?
khaerul mana likenya 😃😃
kinda looks like the engine was hydrolocked with oil in the bottom cylinders
If I went to a car after 1 yr or so I wouldn't rush the engine start let alone one of these, probably given it a few more yrs by not rushing things?
Was the engine made in PZL Rzeszow or Mielec? Wasn’t this plane called “the dromader”?
No, the Dromader is a different plane.
They need to do away with the air start system. That's a good size radial. They're temperamental starters anyway. You need good sparks and lots of electrical power to turn over the starter. If you had to get out fast with this- uh, no. Once the engine goes, it's a cool aircraft.
You should drain the old fuel and start with fresh load!
ależeś chłopie rozreklamował ten piękny samolot, nie widziałem na YT niczego podobnego
Hey! That has a muffler! And what happened to the engine shroud?
Подача искры на аварийный случай на свечи должна быть одновременно на все целиндра постоянная
does this plane not come with a cowling, or is it just removed?
+Joel Martin it is just removed for this crank up atempt.
You need power and spark. That engine is straining to start. Get a Put Put. If this is an air start engine, you're barking up the wrong tree as it were. Very cool aircraft design.
Classic plane from Poland.
I have 150 hrs P1 on the PZL104 and yes you run out of air if it wont start.
Like my friends old Harley
Had to start after sitting over night
Yeah, and skin your shin when it kicks back. Lol
Вітаю ,гарний літак завжди мені подобався ,а чому гвинт не трилопастний??? Є в мене зібраний з картону від видавництва GPM в шкалі 1-16 збільшений ,двигун робив окремо .🥇👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😀🇺🇦⚙️🔧⛏️
It seems like most engines viewed from the front run ccw. This one is cw.
M14P radial. Most Russian engines turn "backwards"
Does it have a cowling
great timing with the other very noisy airplane. somewhere in the background !..ruined that lousy video even more !
For real
Mike patey's wilga is a fucking badass.
True:)
It´s a great plane, we use it for aero-towing gliders up to the sky. Pay me a vsit and look
При запуске поршневого двигателя надо сектором газа шуровать по полной а не сидеть как пенек, инжектора там нет.
Poor little airplane! Glad it started!
How about some STARTER FLUID GUYS?!
Hay que darle un lote de vuelta a mano a la elicse para ke arranque mejor
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By the time this thing started i wanted to throw a brick ! Darn ! Good demo though ..
Qhjjp
That engine probably weighs more than the plane it's attached to.
It's good that it happened on ground and not flying.
Отлично заводится, пока заведёшь уже и старость пришла.
Эфир для запуска должен быть.
You're too funny! 1th, 2th and 3th attempts? Firth, twoth and threeth! Whoever's reading this, say it out loud!
i certainly suspect that we were given not false, but indifferent onformation to attract us or we likely would not of come.
If want to take off on Tuesday start warming it up on Monday...