Pro are able to race per the rules Ryder D Levi Kitchen and Deegan, as long as they don’t get 25 points in mx or make a sx main however..... rules are not so straight forward I digress
Haiden is the best thing that’s happened to Moto in years. You do t reach his level without hard work and commitment. Give Haiden and the Brian credit where credit is due. He has brought hundreds of thousands of new viewers to the sport, and he’s a huge talent on top of it!
@@johnh2349 and it is way more popular than it has been in the past 10 plus years. Brian help bring major popularity to free style those fans followed him to his own channel. Haiden is arguably the most followed and well know rider in the sport today. He is brining a whole new generation of followers to the sport. Just watch what happens to viewership when his races are broadcasted. This is binging attention and viewers to AMA, which is great! MX has been barely getting by for years and now they are becoming mainstream, again. People like Haiden and Brian have played a huge role is this happening.
How is this a surprise to anyone? The rule has been in place for the last 2 years, has been talked about A LOT, even on the broadcast of pro nationals because people were doing this same thing last year, when people seemed to love the idea of amateurs getting a taste before going pro. Why is it now an issue? If Deegan didn't race pro nationals last summer people were saying he was sandbagging, when he did race pro nationals they said he sucked and that he wasn't ready, now he races the amateur nationals and they say he's sandbagging. I'm not even a big fan of the kid, but the fact that people have an issue every time he races is just ridiculous.
Exactly....DeFrancesca and haymas done the same thing they raced just enough to stay under the point limit but nobody wanna complain about them doing it 🤣🤣
Look at Mike brown factory husky won everything he entered on a factory bike.deagan did two nationals big deal.the crying from people who probably don't even ride is getting out of control
@@denniswilder3014 agreed people need to chill. And speaking of MB3 he's been doin the pro endurocross series and a few other pro events for years and still spanks everyone at LL in the age classes he races, he does an event that's not publicized or talked about alot that's a 2 night race at a fairgrounds (Alessi, Seeley and others do this race to), heck he just done the vet pro mxdn and vet pro world national. Nobody says anything about him doing it in a bad way heck even the ones competing against him don't complain 🤣 and I'm a fan of his, have been since I was a kid goin to my dad's races at muddy creek and he rode the #483 Honda in 125 A & 250 A that was his home track n I seen him beat Ezra lusk, Ron tishner, and a few others anytime they came there
The problem isn't with Deegan himself, the problem is that the class system is broken. Last season he was on a factory ride getting paid racing B class. That is laughable, and then local riders sandbag the C class even in non AMA sanctioned races because they are scared to race anything above because they want to go to Loretta's. So now your local C class has the top 5 guys running top B class lap times and would still be competitive and very close to A class lap times. Now your local evens have no classes for riders local riders of moderate speed racing for fun, it's just basically 3 A class races and whoever wins is the one who sandbags harder. Why Deegan is brought up is because it's and example and him and Rider D and all these other guys racing B class when they are maybe a 1 to 2 seconds off the fastest guys there, it trickles down and then the class system is broken
Agreed!… It’s literally in the rule book that a rider cannot go from a youth class straight to the A class. They have to race B class first & earn a minimum RPV “rider point value” (I believe it’s called) before transferring up to A/Pro sport
They changed some Rules last year letting amateurs race a couple pro nationals and still keep their amateur status as long as they don't get over a certain amount of points. (As a way to get their feet wet in the pro class) I agree that the Rule book needs some updates. I'm guessing they kept the word lites to include 125's
I’ve never seen so many people hate so much on a kid who’s clearly showing speed we haven’t seen in quite some time from an amateur. He can have all the tools he has and still suck and not want to put in the work he’s putting in to get where he is. Haters gonna hate, keep it up Deegan 💪🏼
If you watch Major League Baseball they have “September call ups” which is basically the same thing. It gives guys who are in triple a baseball a chance to get some playing time at the major league level. A lot of times the teams use it to evaluate where there top prospects are or if they are indeed ready to make the jump the following season to the bigs.
He doesn’t have his points toward his pro license yet . He said that in his interview with vital that came out . Star wanted him to race it and deegan was fine with it . People are acting like he was running top 5 in the moto cross races. People are also acting like he’s a 20 year old kid that isn’t going pro . The longer he waits the more he will be able to hang with the big guys . Dungey waited, kitchen waited and beat jett in a moto this year. Then you got guys like ac and forkner who rushed it and are not successful and injury prone.
Cant wait for deegan to be out of amateurs all together seems like thats all anyone talks about deegan this deegan that give the other guys some spotlight trying to make it in this industry as well not just the kid who literally has he way paved for him.
To be honest I have nothing against deegan. I just feel for the guy who has as much &/or more talent, has to work a job & shows up with a worn out bike but gives guys like deegan a run for their money.
I thought deegan was still a mature but raced pro class under that new clause that allows a riders to try it out just like Ryder d did right before lorettas
Thats exactly what was said while he was racing the pro national i dont understand why hey dont just talk about some of the other riders also and give the boy a break as you Said its ok for ryder d but noooope not deegan.
Looks like many people in the comments missed the point of the video. Wasn't to hate on Deegan at all he is just a good example to show, and was talking about how the rule book is poorly written. Also highlightrd in the end that the class system is broken. Deegan and many people like him were racing in B class last year and that causes local riders to sandbag C class and it all trickles down from there. No hate to them, they are all doing what they need to do with the system and want to make Loretta's. It just screws up the classes and local races. I just did a local non AMA race and the C class guys were basically the fastest guys. Top 5 in C class would have finished 2-6 in B class and only gotten beat by 1 guys. And A class lap times were 3ish seconds faster than C class top guys. So that leaves no room for any local people racing to have fun, and may as well had 3 A class races because whats the point anymore.
Kid has been on a 250 for a little over a year now. Has Talent and work ethic oozing out of his body. He is not the only rider to have raced 1-2 Pro nationals and go back to the amateurs. The only reason he is getting hate and back lash from everyone because the kids put in the work to be the speed he is at. This just solidifies he ready for the Pros. There is no "sandbagging" what so ever with Haiden Deegan. What Haiden, his dad and his little brother are doing for the sport bringing more attention to the Amateurs and soon to be the pro ranks is nothing short of good.
Brother you are not wrong for pointing this out. I myself love seeing you talk about these things. People need to now these things and someone like yourself should be asking these exact questions. Thank you keep up the good work my friend. 👍🏻👍🏻
From what I’m noticing, some may say it’s a good thing or bad thing, is with the amount of people that come to watch Deegan ride, the rules and problems with the rules are finally being brought to light, the good part is with this attention, the sport can grow with the a few tweaks every now and then to rules, I would suggest a rule that states people who have obtained any points in the professional races have to race in the open pro class only and not A class, having A class remain the way to obtain points for the pro card and allowing the kids to build up speed for the open pro class, and gradually increase the speed, this would allow more rides to safely increase there speed and help people become recognised my factory teams making the races the place to get picked up by factory teams and not social media and having deep pockets and connections, theoretically this would also cause an increase in the amount of factory teams racing which would turn the open pro class and A class into try outs for those teams, this would keep people in the sport for racing and people wouldn’t have to make as many sacrifices as they do just to try and make it pro, which again would help the sport grow and separate the pro’s from the amateur, I don’t care about the results that occurred, this is what I am noticing from comments and the rule book being brought to light
My comments are not well received on your channel because I say it like it is, but here’s my .02. This clearly a title grab for deegan even though the rules say he’s eligible “ they also say he is not” it’s like a big bully picking on other kids. Deegan and any current pro for that matter should only race the open pro classes period even if the rules say they are eligible for the A class. These titles look good on a resume but they are a black eye in my opinion from fans point of view. Deegan made a choice to go pro early therefor he has committed to the motocross community he is better that an A class rider his actions has stated I’m a professional. Therefore quit stealing amateur titles and be a pro. I didn’t see Hymas there.
Both Daxton Bennick and Deegan raced all 3 classes I believe plus the supercross events at Mini-O's. Not sure if any other riders earned national points except Deegan but I'm assuming a few of them did... Maybe.
Haiden is an insane rider for his age and possibly a generational talent (of course, with Jett Lawrence). He is also just 16 years old and raced in a total of two outdoor national races. I would call him a professional just yet. He is an armature who raced two professional races. It's not like Jett came back and raced Mini O's
Being from uk the people in usa to have talent like haiden deegan.doing rather good for 16year old.some amazing talent in us love supercross and outdoirs and the fans too
From my understanding Mini O's will be his last amatuer event. Hence his burnout at the end of the event in the pits. Dax is there to take Deegan's spot in the amatuer program in 23. Deegan will be doing supercross futures as the AMA realise what he is but the question is who will be racing against him. Will they actually make the futures class a supercross program for the top youngsters up to 18 years of age or will they do that stupid qualification program that had older amatuer riders trying to qualify for futures.
Key phrase is "national competition", meaning the only national competition for AMA is Lorretta Lynn's. This is just a race and not a national championship event.
The AMA is mainly a lobbying group for Washington lawmakers, that fight for the rights of Motorcyclists...Do agree the rules need to be modernized for this century.
You could put Hayden on a tricycle and he still wins cause he is the shit! Anyone complaining just dosnt have what it takes and wants to blame the bike. "If I had that bike I would win too!" I say BS! If you had this kids drive to practice hrs and hrs a day everyday, maybe. The kid is a stud, plain and simple!
I wouldn’t consider it to be sand bagging kids just on a different level for his age. Most of the guys in that class are 18-19+ and the top three guys were all 16 . just shows the kids are getting faster younger. Also I think using the term “sandbagging” is doing a disservice to the kids that showed there talents early and caught the eye of amateur factory programs.
@@Johnny_Hopper Not at all!there are definitely people that should be racing in 250b and 250a/prosport in lower c classes. But I think in this context it’s miss used. And I have to reiterate that these are just high school kids. This sport is special in a sense that we can have 16-18 year olds in the actual ama pro series,compete against 25-30 year olds in a 250cc division and WIN. All I can say for sure is moto and super cross are gonna be in very good hands with this new style of riding and next generation of riders. I truly believe guys like Sexton, Lawrence brothers shimoda Justin cooper are kind of like the first wave of this new style and the competition is only getting stronger.
Deegan is a super star.he can ride.he has won everything.and earned ever bit.just cause they have money dosent mean money is buying what that boys TALENT is doing.money helps .but this is all talent.period.he deserves all he has won.people need to get better and quit hating on someone better than most.people suck.he is only 16
Fun to watch the kid race. Gonna be some excitement in the next few years. People should just have fun riding dirt bikes. If you are good. Someone will notice. Anyone can become a you tube star now.. Hell. What are watching! Johnny fn Hopper! This guy doesn't even ride dirt bikes! 😁
Half the guys racing B class and A class and open pro sport are pros anyways. Most top 10 B class riders will win any pro race at the local level. I remember carmichael racing the pro class at my local track wausau and crowders in tallahassee. He raced the pro class on his 105 kx. And windham raced northwest florida motocross track in milton on his kx 80 in the pro class and won. Then windham raced wausau the year he moved up to the big bikes and won the pro class when he was racing B class at mini O's . Anthony pocorobba was C class at gatorback and racing local pro class. Same with jason sybert. He was also B class lorettas and mini O. And he raced pro at local tracks
This is nothing new. Ricky and jason sybert was always worried that someone might say something about them winning money . Jason raced a area qualifier and he was qualifying for B class lorettas. I was a B class rider and he just waxed our asses. Like super easy. Other wise he raced the pro class.
So if he looses he’s not good enough to be a pro rider and if he wins he’s too good to even be racing amateur events. Which is it haters? You people out there constantly tearing a teenager down are seriously pathetic human beings lol.
2:10 that "only" pertains to THE NEXT things listed, not using numbers, but to categorize the 3 specific "only"s listed a-c. You can't just pick a word in a sentence and twist it like that. To not understand the "wording" of "only" is simple not understanding proper English Grammar. You may need to start understanding the true grammar of words and not OMG, WTF, FTW, OMG child form of grammar/texting...
So in the rules. Points is for outdoor as there is no heat races or Lcq just qualifying. For SX if you make a main you were in top 22 points don't matter. Really should separate that in rule book. Also if you look at fastest lap times in the A and B class races you showed. Every place there is about 2 sec faster in the A rider compared to same position B rider. Consistancy can be all over the place but based on best times they seemed to be in correct class. I believe most of the A riders are pro. So the class being just called A might be just to give them another race. How many of the riders he beat in the A race did he slso race in the Open pro races?
He raced 2 events at the end of the season. Noah Viney raced the first Pala and was still elligible for the Ranch. So long as it is only 2 events and he doesn't score a certain amount of points it doesn't affect his status.
Lol he didn't race the nationals he did like 2 races which your allowed to do and go back down to see if your ready or not .... Anyone crying about this stuff doesn't know moto at all therefore makes there point meaningless , look at the rules watch more races maybe you'll understand things Jesus Christ
Danger Boy don't make the rules he just Races, but I do wish We could see them all on stock bikes! I honestly think he would still win 🏆 But I would still prefer to see them all race stock bikes. I'm in favor of an equal playing field.
I mean they do have the limited class. carson mumford stayed racing that i think when he was a amateur. but it kinda depends on where you stack up with the competition you gonna race with the big boys or you gonna hang back
You're not crazy (this time), Johnny. The rule book is flawed. Using the rule book, Haiden can only ride 450 Pro Sport. There are places that say he can race 250 Pro Sport and 250 A...but the only rule that say he can't references Open Pro Sport only. However, all A riders are "professional." AMA Pro Racing is a private club that provides a separate licensing. It is similar to the FIA's Super License for Formula 1 competition. You can win Le Mans, but you can't race F1 without a Super License. Well, you can win Dakar, Moto GP, GNCC, or Erzberg...but to race Supercross, you need an AMA Pro License.
Who is the final judge and ultimate person that interprets the rules? I think the a class win should be protest. And I can’t believe they still have lites class in the rules. It looks like people just don’t give a shit I can make up rules
@Johnny Hopper They can accumulate up to 25 points and still race amateur races. If they accumulate more than 25 points in motocross or make the main event in SX they can no longer race as an amateur. Also if riders qualify for final 40 in MX1, MX2, MX3 they also lose amateur status. So keep the points under 25 in MX and SX and don’t make any mains in SX. A little more specific than this but I’m on the iPad and typing sucks. But this should at least help lead you out of the dark.
I was under the impression he wasn't a full pro yet. Still Pro-Am to use old school terminology. As far as I heard he is racing Supercross Futures, some Amateur Nationals,then the full Pro Nationals next summer.
That is true just crazy the rules let amateurs race pro as long as they don’t make 25 pro points at the elite level then go back down. Interesting is all
If a Pro rider raced in 2020 and made more than 25 points, and then didnt make any mains or scored any points in 2021, then he can ride the A/pro sport in 2022, but if he did make a main in 2021 than he can not ride in the A/pro sport!!!
Just let people race and if they are good enough then pay them more to work there way up. Of they want to stay in lower classes and not make anything then let them. If you want the big bucks you have to work your way up.
You're interpretation seams to be "in ONLY PRO Sport class" BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS 😂... "In THE Pro Sport class ONLY:" see that colon? That is a significant detail that your not able to grasp. Think someone drinks too much Hatorade.
How about we just watch a mixed up bunch of manufactures in different color bikes with different age groups and skill levels all just race no rules at the same track at the same time and see who crosses the finish line first in one piece ? There that clarifies the rules! Oh the first place finishers trophy/$ go to the last place finisher for good sportmanship ! All good now AMA ?
Heres my question, deegan go runs the national made one mistake all the sudden everybody sayin oooohh they pushed him into it to fast he probably was a 7-10 bike in both motos without the crash so they pull him back to get more seat time and here we go again NOW THEIR BREAKIN RULES ! Whats the real deal,iseverybody jealous,mad,haten on the deegans what is it? Its damned if you do damned if you dont ! My opinion is i dont think nobody gonna have to worry about no amatuer races much longer even though thats what they said he should be doin like i say which one does everyone think he should be doin?😡
@@garymallard4699 shit thats even before DeCoster !! you got 10 years on me. Just a little sarcasm as I am not on the popular bandwagon I am with you !
@@Johnny_Hopper but he hasn’t raced any supercross so therefore he would still be eligible for not only pro sport but also the A class. At least that’s the way I understand it but I do agree the wording and the way the rule book is kinda laid out should be revised to make it less confusing
You think thats bad? You should study government codes and statutes... whoever wrote those rules must've written codes and statutes for the US government... Bible says "wo unto you lawyers," for a reason...
It's no loop hole... these rules were put in place 2 years ago so amateur riders could get their feet wet before going pro full time, a bunch of guys already did it last year. He's using that rule the way he's supposed to.
@@Johnny_Hopper Yeah, completely agree with that, even when riders coming from overseas they still had the old MX1, MX2 and even MX3 class that doesn't exist anymore. Love your videos though Johnny! keep it up.
@@Johnny_Hopper I appreciate the effort you put into your videos. I do enjoy the message of trying to save and better the moto community. But personally I think there’s a better way then just bashing on teenagers who are up and coming.
Over DEEGAN, was subscribed watched all his videos until the whole "claim gate". I wish they would right their wrong and they could earn respect back in my book. Until then I don't care anymore about what he does.
Rider strength. Average joes and pros have no business on a 450. It’s to heavy with too much power. You can’t ride it to its potential for a full moto.
250s are usually faster if ya don't mind grenading one every race. They make 450s for people that don't like replacing parts every 10hrs. For example.... I weight about 208 in full gear. To haul ass on a 250 I would need to leave it pinned. On the 450 I can braap around 90% of the time. I can feel a difference in my 450s power and clutches in one dune trip.. can only imagine what a real race does to bikes.
This is obnoxious. Why does anyone care? Kids dope. Putting his name anywhere brings viewers. Let it all go. You putting his name in this video got you more views. People need to let it go.
Deegan aint pro yet! You dont like him much i see! Who are you anyway? I dont know what your problem is but deegan is the shot in the arm the sport needs along with the hunter boys. Get off his back man
Pro are able to race per the rules Ryder D Levi Kitchen and Deegan, as long as they don’t get 25 points in mx or make a sx main however..... rules are not so straight forward I digress
🙄🤣Braaaaaapppppp ✊️🏁🤙
Agree..
Haiden is the best thing that’s happened to Moto in years. You do t reach his level without hard work and commitment. Give Haiden and the Brian credit where credit is due. He has brought hundreds of thousands of new viewers to the sport, and he’s a huge talent on top of it!
Been watching the kid since he was on a 50cc. I agree to give them credit for what’s been accomplished 👏🏼
Yeah they said the same thing about allesi so many more that failed
No debate .. the debate is he a pro vrs A riders. And not all the Loretta A fast guys.
100% untrue. MX is less popular now than 20 years ago.
@@johnh2349 and it is way more popular than it has been in the past 10 plus years. Brian help bring major popularity to free style those fans followed him to his own channel. Haiden is arguably the most followed and well know rider in the sport today. He is brining a whole new generation of followers to the sport. Just watch what happens to viewership when his races are broadcasted. This is binging attention and viewers to AMA, which is great! MX has been barely getting by for years and now they are becoming mainstream, again. People like Haiden and Brian have played a huge role is this happening.
How is this a surprise to anyone? The rule has been in place for the last 2 years, has been talked about A LOT, even on the broadcast of pro nationals because people were doing this same thing last year, when people seemed to love the idea of amateurs getting a taste before going pro. Why is it now an issue? If Deegan didn't race pro nationals last summer people were saying he was sandbagging, when he did race pro nationals they said he sucked and that he wasn't ready, now he races the amateur nationals and they say he's sandbagging. I'm not even a big fan of the kid, but the fact that people have an issue every time he races is just ridiculous.
Exactly....DeFrancesca and haymas done the same thing they raced just enough to stay under the point limit but nobody wanna complain about them doing it 🤣🤣
Yay but it’s a new rule a lot of people don’t like
Look at Mike brown factory husky won everything he entered on a factory bike.deagan did two nationals big deal.the crying from people who probably don't even ride is getting out of control
@@denniswilder3014 agreed people need to chill. And speaking of MB3 he's been doin the pro endurocross series and a few other pro events for years and still spanks everyone at LL in the age classes he races, he does an event that's not publicized or talked about alot that's a 2 night race at a fairgrounds (Alessi, Seeley and others do this race to), heck he just done the vet pro mxdn and vet pro world national. Nobody says anything about him doing it in a bad way heck even the ones competing against him don't complain 🤣 and I'm a fan of his, have been since I was a kid goin to my dad's races at muddy creek and he rode the #483 Honda in 125 A & 250 A that was his home track n I seen him beat Ezra lusk, Ron tishner, and a few others anytime they came there
The problem isn't with Deegan himself, the problem is that the class system is broken. Last season he was on a factory ride getting paid racing B class. That is laughable, and then local riders sandbag the C class even in non AMA sanctioned races because they are scared to race anything above because they want to go to Loretta's. So now your local C class has the top 5 guys running top B class lap times and would still be competitive and very close to A class lap times. Now your local evens have no classes for riders local riders of moderate speed racing for fun, it's just basically 3 A class races and whoever wins is the one who sandbags harder. Why Deegan is brought up is because it's and example and him and Rider D and all these other guys racing B class when they are maybe a 1 to 2 seconds off the fastest guys there, it trickles down and then the class system is broken
>Naw they aren't sandbagging at all...
>Factory Yamaha rig pulls up, 10 team members pour out...
@infidelmat 🤣🤣
Do you know what sandbagging is?
@@carisi2k11 yes i do.....do you know a joke is? 🙄 or what being pedantic means? 😂
Everyone was saying he wasn't fast enough to be a pro but he was sandbagging the B class . NOW he is to fast for A or pro sport . Wow
Agreed!… It’s literally in the rule book that a rider cannot go from a youth class straight to the A class. They have to race B class first & earn a minimum RPV “rider point value” (I believe it’s called) before transferring up to A/Pro sport
Just the little haters living in moms basement. We were right!!! It's going to be a long 10 to 15 years for them... LOL!
They changed some Rules last year letting amateurs race a couple pro nationals and still keep their amateur status as long as they don't get over a certain amount of points. (As a way to get their feet wet in the pro class)
I agree that the Rule book needs some updates. I'm guessing they kept the word lites to include 125's
Haiden is riding where he’s told when he’s told by star, also riding the bike they give him and he’s been in a big bike for just over a year.
I’ve never seen so many people hate so much on a kid who’s clearly showing speed we haven’t seen in quite some time from an amateur. He can have all the tools he has and still suck and not want to put in the work he’s putting in to get where he is. Haters gonna hate, keep it up Deegan 💪🏼
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The haters came after Brian and Star ruining a less fortunate kids sponsorship / career at Loretta's
@@ricksmith7659 kid learned a lesson, mess with the Bull get the horns. Don’t want drama? Don’t start drama.
@@markchavesjr555 wow that's an unfortunate and ignorant response
@@ricksmith7659 not ignorant at all, the kid straight up did it to clout chase and it bit him in the ass.
If you watch Major League Baseball they have “September call ups” which is basically the same thing. It gives guys who are in triple a baseball a chance to get some playing time at the major league level. A lot of times the teams use it to evaluate where there top prospects are or if they are indeed ready to make the jump the following season to the bigs.
He doesn’t have his points toward his pro license yet . He said that in his interview with vital that came out . Star wanted him to race it and deegan was fine with it . People are acting like he was running top 5 in the moto cross races. People are also acting like he’s a 20 year old kid that isn’t going pro . The longer he waits the more he will be able to hang with the big guys . Dungey waited, kitchen waited and beat jett in a moto this year. Then you got guys like ac and forkner who rushed it and are not successful and injury prone.
Cant wait for deegan to be out of amateurs all together seems like thats all anyone talks about deegan this deegan that give the other guys some spotlight trying to make it in this industry as well not just the kid who literally has he way paved for him.
Now makes sense why Dax is on star because it clearly shows Haidens ability
To be honest I have nothing against deegan.
I just feel for the guy who has as much &/or more talent, has to work a job & shows up with a worn out bike but gives guys like deegan a run for their money.
I thought deegan was still a mature but raced pro class under that new clause that allows a riders to try it out just like Ryder d did right before lorettas
Thats exactly what was said while he was racing the pro national i dont understand why hey dont just talk about some of the other riders also and give the boy a break as you
Said its ok for ryder d but noooope not deegan.
Looks like many people in the comments missed the point of the video. Wasn't to hate on Deegan at all he is just a good example to show, and was talking about how the rule book is poorly written. Also highlightrd in the end that the class system is broken. Deegan and many people like him were racing in B class last year and that causes local riders to sandbag C class and it all trickles down from there. No hate to them, they are all doing what they need to do with the system and want to make Loretta's. It just screws up the classes and local races. I just did a local non AMA race and the C class guys were basically the fastest guys. Top 5 in C class would have finished 2-6 in B class and only gotten beat by 1 guys. And A class lap times were 3ish seconds faster than C class top guys. So that leaves no room for any local people racing to have fun, and may as well had 3 A class races because whats the point anymore.
thank you
Kid has been on a 250 for a little over a year now. Has Talent and work ethic oozing out of his body. He is not the only rider to have raced 1-2 Pro nationals and go back to the amateurs. The only reason he is getting hate and back lash from everyone because the kids put in the work to be the speed he is at. This just solidifies he ready for the Pros. There is no "sandbagging" what so ever with Haiden Deegan. What Haiden, his dad and his little brother are doing for the sport bringing more attention to the Amateurs and soon to be the pro ranks is nothing short of good.
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Brother you are not wrong for pointing this out. I myself love seeing you talk about these things. People need to now these things and someone like yourself should be asking these exact questions. Thank you keep up the good work my friend. 👍🏻👍🏻
From what I’m noticing, some may say it’s a good thing or bad thing, is with the amount of people that come to watch Deegan ride, the rules and problems with the rules are finally being brought to light, the good part is with this attention, the sport can grow with the a few tweaks every now and then to rules, I would suggest a rule that states people who have obtained any points in the professional races have to race in the open pro class only and not A class, having A class remain the way to obtain points for the pro card and allowing the kids to build up speed for the open pro class, and gradually increase the speed, this would allow more rides to safely increase there speed and help people become recognised my factory teams making the races the place to get picked up by factory teams and not social media and having deep pockets and connections, theoretically this would also cause an increase in the amount of factory teams racing which would turn the open pro class and A class into try outs for those teams, this would keep people in the sport for racing and people wouldn’t have to make as many sacrifices as they do just to try and make it pro, which again would help the sport grow and separate the pro’s from the amateur, I don’t care about the results that occurred, this is what I am noticing from comments and the rule book being brought to light
Social media, mini O’s and Loretta Lynn’s**
My comments are not well received on your channel because I say it like it is, but here’s my .02. This clearly a title grab for deegan even though the rules say he’s eligible “ they also say he is not” it’s like a big bully picking on other kids. Deegan and any current pro for that matter should only race the open pro classes period even if the rules say they are eligible for the A class. These titles look good on a resume but they are a black eye in my opinion from fans point of view. Deegan made a choice to go pro early therefor he has committed to the motocross community he is better that an A class rider his actions has stated I’m a professional. Therefore quit stealing amateur titles and be a pro. I didn’t see Hymas there.
Yup... it can't be made any clearer than that.
Both Daxton Bennick and Deegan raced all 3 classes I believe plus the supercross events at Mini-O's. Not sure if any other riders earned national points except Deegan but I'm assuming a few of them did... Maybe.
Haiden is an insane rider for his age and possibly a generational talent (of course, with Jett Lawrence). He is also just 16 years old and raced in a total of two outdoor national races. I would call him a professional just yet. He is an armature who raced two professional races. It's not like Jett came back and raced Mini O's
The rules should state if you race. A class, you should not be eligible to race any class lower then said class you are entered to race
Being from uk the people in usa to have talent like haiden deegan.doing rather good for 16year old.some amazing talent in us love supercross and outdoirs and the fans too
( D ) Johnny Hopper will digress the piss out. Of said eligible competitors.
From my understanding Mini O's will be his last amatuer event. Hence his burnout at the end of the event in the pits. Dax is there to take Deegan's spot in the amatuer program in 23. Deegan will be doing supercross futures as the AMA realise what he is but the question is who will be racing against him. Will they actually make the futures class a supercross program for the top youngsters up to 18 years of age or will they do that stupid qualification program that had older amatuer riders trying to qualify for futures.
Key phrase is "national competition", meaning the only national competition for AMA is Lorretta Lynn's. This is just a race and not a national championship event.
From what I saw in the mini o’s is there wasn’t much racing up front. 3 riders and there was much passing ect for the lower numbers in A class
The AMA is mainly a lobbying group for Washington lawmakers, that fight for the rights of Motorcyclists...Do agree the rules need to be modernized for this century.
why is no one complaining about Ryder D when he did the exact same thing? race 3 pro national and then went to loretta lynn
same rule
You could put Hayden on a tricycle and he still wins cause he is the shit! Anyone complaining just dosnt have what it takes and wants to blame the bike. "If I had that bike I would win too!" I say BS! If you had this kids drive to practice hrs and hrs a day everyday, maybe. The kid is a stud, plain and simple!
I hope that danger boy stays healthy as he is not the tallest out there and still growing.
I wouldn’t consider it to be sand bagging kids just on a different level for his age. Most of the guys in that class are 18-19+ and the top three guys were all 16 . just shows the kids are getting faster younger. Also I think using the term “sandbagging” is doing a disservice to the kids that showed there talents early and caught the eye of amateur factory programs.
perhaps its a harsh choice of words.
@@Johnny_Hopper Not at all!there are definitely people that should be racing in 250b and 250a/prosport in lower c classes. But I think in this context it’s miss used. And I have to reiterate that these are just high school kids. This sport is special in a sense that we can have 16-18 year olds in the actual ama pro series,compete against 25-30 year olds in a 250cc division and WIN. All I can say for sure is moto and super cross are gonna be in very good hands with this new style of riding and next generation of riders. I truly believe guys like Sexton, Lawrence brothers shimoda Justin cooper are kind of like the first wave of this new style and the competition is only getting stronger.
Deegan is a super star.he can ride.he has won everything.and earned ever bit.just cause they have money dosent mean money is buying what that boys TALENT is doing.money helps .but this is all talent.period.he deserves all he has won.people need to get better and quit hating on someone better than most.people suck.he is only 16
Fun to watch the kid race. Gonna be some excitement in the next few years.
People should just have fun riding dirt bikes. If you are good. Someone will notice. Anyone can become a you tube star now.. Hell. What are watching! Johnny fn Hopper! This guy doesn't even ride dirt bikes! 😁
Agreed
He ran his 250 in the 450 class A!
Stop nocking the kid.. He is fast and has skill. Some people just can't handle the truth.
Did anyone claim his bike again?
The rule means that a rider can score 1-25 points in outdoors and still race amateur but can not race a super cross main event and still race amateur
Half the guys racing B class and A class and open pro sport are pros anyways. Most top 10 B class riders will win any pro race at the local level. I remember carmichael racing the pro class at my local track wausau and crowders in tallahassee. He raced the pro class on his 105 kx. And windham raced northwest florida motocross track in milton on his kx 80 in the pro class and won. Then windham raced wausau the year he moved up to the big bikes and won the pro class when he was racing B class at mini O's . Anthony pocorobba was C class at gatorback and racing local pro class. Same with jason sybert. He was also B class lorettas and mini O. And he raced pro at local tracks
This is nothing new. Ricky and jason sybert was always worried that someone might say something about them winning money . Jason raced a area qualifier and he was qualifying for B class lorettas. I was a B class rider and he just waxed our asses. Like super easy. Other wise he raced the pro class.
So if he looses he’s not good enough to be a pro rider and if he wins he’s too good to even be racing amateur events. Which is it haters? You people out there constantly tearing a teenager down are seriously pathetic human beings lol.
Deegan is an amazing rider with a pro contract wish him the best ✊✊✊
2:10 that "only" pertains to THE NEXT things listed, not using numbers, but to categorize the 3 specific "only"s listed a-c. You can't just pick a word in a sentence and twist it like that. To not understand the "wording" of "only" is simple not understanding proper English Grammar. You may need to start understanding the true grammar of words and not OMG, WTF, FTW, OMG child form of grammar/texting...
The AMA has been confusing for years.
I think maybe we get retired riders with solid performance making the AMA rule books.
haha
So in the rules. Points is for outdoor as there is no heat races or Lcq just qualifying. For SX if you make a main you were in top 22 points don't matter. Really should separate that in rule book. Also if you look at fastest lap times in the A and B class races you showed. Every place there is about 2 sec faster in the A rider compared to same position B rider. Consistancy can be all over the place but based on best times they seemed to be in correct class. I believe most of the A riders are pro. So the class being just called A might be just to give them another race. How many of the riders he beat in the A race did he slso race in the Open pro races?
I was wondering how this was possible considering that he raced the Outdoor Nationals last yr
Thank you , hopefully I helped answer the question.
He raced 2 events at the end of the season. Noah Viney raced the first Pala and was still elligible for the Ranch. So long as it is only 2 events and he doesn't score a certain amount of points it doesn't affect his status.
Lol he didn't race the nationals he did like 2 races which your allowed to do and go back down to see if your ready or not .... Anyone crying about this stuff doesn't know moto at all therefore makes there point meaningless , look at the rules watch more races maybe you'll understand things Jesus Christ
Danger Boy don't make the rules he just Races, but I do wish We could see them all on stock bikes! I honestly think he would still win 🏆
But I would still prefer to see them all race stock bikes.
I'm in favor of an equal playing field.
Totally agree he is just doing is job riding the bike
haidens bike is a stock bike but they have some good parts on it, watch the deegans video where Duffe breaks it down
@@doglover136_ if it has some good parts on it its not stock…
I mean they do have the limited class. carson mumford stayed racing that i think when he was a amateur. but it kinda depends on where you stack up with the competition you gonna race with the big boys or you gonna hang back
@@tkleven what i meant was they don’t have a bone stock bike, they have pro taper bars, fmf pipe, etc just look at their video
He needs supercross points too for pro supercross license and could get a couple racing at mini o's
You're not crazy (this time), Johnny. The rule book is flawed. Using the rule book, Haiden can only ride 450 Pro Sport. There are places that say he can race 250 Pro Sport and 250 A...but the only rule that say he can't references Open Pro Sport only. However, all A riders are "professional." AMA Pro Racing is a private club that provides a separate licensing. It is similar to the FIA's Super License for Formula 1 competition. You can win Le Mans, but you can't race F1 without a Super License. Well, you can win Dakar, Moto GP, GNCC, or Erzberg...but to race Supercross, you need an AMA Pro License.
I've never read a rule book but thought I've heard them talk about not scoring over 40 points remains eligible so idk
Who is the final judge and ultimate person that interprets the rules? I think the a class win should be protest. And I can’t believe they still have lites class in the rules. It looks like people just don’t give a shit I can make up rules
@Johnny Hopper They can accumulate up to 25 points and still race amateur races. If they accumulate more than 25 points in motocross or make the main event in SX they can no longer race as an amateur. Also if riders qualify for final 40 in MX1, MX2, MX3 they also lose amateur status.
So keep the points under 25 in MX and SX and don’t make any mains in SX.
A little more specific than this but I’m on the iPad and typing sucks. But this should at least help lead you out of the dark.
BRAAP
The rule is you can't make an sx main event.. says nothing about an outdoor main event. So you can earn upto 25 points from outdoor only.
I was under the impression he wasn't a full pro yet. Still Pro-Am to use old school terminology.
As far as I heard he is racing Supercross Futures, some Amateur Nationals,then the full Pro Nationals next summer.
That is true just crazy the rules let amateurs race pro as long as they don’t make 25 pro points at the elite level then go back down. Interesting is all
If a Pro rider raced in 2020 and made more than 25 points, and then didnt make any mains or scored any points in 2021, then he can ride the A/pro sport in 2022, but if he did make a main in 2021 than he can not ride in the A/pro sport!!!
Just let people race and if they are good enough then pay them more to work there way up. Of they want to stay in lower classes and not make anything then let them. If you want the big bucks you have to work your way up.
Loopholes. There to be taken advantage of.
A pro rider in ama A vrs Pro ama rider at mini o’s. Where was Jett or Dylan? Perhaps it would have been different result.
God forbid a 16 yr old kid races a big amateur race after only racing a couple pro mx races.
Why is it only being questioned with haiden?
Ryder d did it hymus did it...kitchen ect ect..all this was never mentioned.
yes they have done the same per the rule.
The Matrix Managers want nonsensacle rules that will benefit or punish the ones they choose. SunreaL bro ✌😎
You're interpretation seams to be "in ONLY PRO Sport class" BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS 😂... "In THE Pro Sport class ONLY:" see that colon? That is a significant detail that your not able to grasp. Think someone drinks too much Hatorade.
Someone should claim one of stars bikes
Why would they have a A class race seperate from ProSport? Shouldn't it be a ProAm race?
What's the best way to watch Supercross? Is it Peacock or what? Thanks.
peacock braap
@@Johnny_Hopper Awesome thanks!
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It should be ok in your first year with a license. It’s a huge jump from amateur to pro (as seen by Danger’s debut) After that, nahhhh.
Lol apparently you don’t know how to read rule books. A) B) C) are in order for a reason…so if Deegan checks the box for A) then you go to B)
The 3 Stooges run the sport.
AMA needs a 125 250 and open Or aka 450!.
People are haters lol….he was on super minis last year and raced pro sport a year later 😂 but he’s sandbagging allegedly
Danger Boy Also wasn't the first or only one Some guys did it the year before Also.
How about we just watch a mixed up bunch of manufactures in different color bikes with different age groups and skill levels all just race no rules at the same track at the same time and see who crosses the finish line first in one piece ? There that clarifies the rules! Oh the first place finishers trophy/$ go to the last place finisher for good sportmanship ! All good now AMA ?
He's 16 !!
Haiden will get there...
But as for a pro ...he is average atm..
Would be lucky to be top 10 as we seen.....
So he got to prove it 1st . .
Need definition for "National Program"
Yep
Heres my question, deegan go runs the national made one mistake all the sudden everybody sayin oooohh they pushed him into it to fast he probably was a 7-10 bike in both motos without the crash so they pull him back to get more seat time and here we go again NOW THEIR BREAKIN RULES ! Whats the real deal,iseverybody jealous,mad,haten on the deegans what is it? Its damned if you do damned if you dont ! My opinion is i dont think nobody gonna have to worry about no amatuer races much longer even though thats what they said he should be doin like i say which one does everyone think he should be doin?😡
Megacross
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Deegan will race Amateur for his Career..😂 He likes winning ...Pro is too tough for him..
@garymallard4699 you and I know he is the greatest ever and he can do what he wants on whatever kind of bike he wants ( ie lorettas) ? :)
@@vikingson9000 best ever? Lol you're joking right? He's going to have a tough time in the pros. He's good though!
Dont troll children
@@vikingson9000
i been into Motocross since 1973 and he isn't the " Greatest " ever or might be ... that .he has to Prove...lol
@@garymallard4699 shit thats even before DeCoster !! you got 10 years on me. Just a little sarcasm as I am not on the popular bandwagon I am with you !
It says qualifying for a Supercross main event not motocross.
correct top 22 in sx but it also says if you make less than 25 points in sx you are good, you dont make points unless you are in the main.
@@Johnny_Hopper but he hasn’t raced any supercross so therefore he would still be eligible for not only pro sport but also the A class. At least that’s the way I understand it but I do agree the wording and the way the rule book is kinda laid out should be revised to make it less confusing
Is Mike Brown the greatest offender of a pro racing amateur, ever?
100% however we love to see him at the races
@@Johnny_Hopper why would I even go to race a 50+ class if I can’t win?
You think thats bad? You should study government codes and statutes... whoever wrote those rules must've written codes and statutes for the US government... Bible says "wo unto you lawyers," for a reason...
If your last name is Deegan it's OK that's the first amendment
found a little loop hole…
It's no loop hole... these rules were put in place 2 years ago so amateur riders could get their feet wet before going pro full time, a bunch of guys already did it last year. He's using that rule the way he's supposed to.
@@eliasvaldes82 perhaps it just needs to be a bit clearer
@@Johnny_Hopper Yeah, completely agree with that, even when riders coming from overseas they still had the old MX1, MX2 and even MX3 class that doesn't exist anymore. Love your videos though Johnny! keep it up.
Deegan is an awesome amateur, but he is no pro.
Idk how this is even a video. This isn't anything new. But then again, the same ones who hate on the deegan kid, don't seem too bright to begin with.
like i said multiple people have asked how it is possible so boom here is a video
From someone who has also received tremendous amounts of hate, this is just a typical hater lmao
perhaps you missed the video's perspective,
Deegan is a dope rider and the AMA rule is poorly written.
SHAME!!!!!
Stop the hype Johnny.
Youre trying to hard to fabricate a story...just like Cooksey
These RUclips commentators are becoming CNN. Used to be informational and somewhat truthful, now it’s what can I say to get the most clicks
@@austinray7925 appreciate the comment
Thank you Brian answering a question I’ve gotten about pros racing amateur events
@@Johnny_Hopper I appreciate the effort you put into your videos. I do enjoy the message of trying to save and better the moto community. But personally I think there’s a better way then just bashing on teenagers who are up and coming.
Over DEEGAN, was subscribed watched all his videos until the whole "claim gate". I wish they would right their wrong and they could earn respect back in my book. Until then I don't care anymore about what he does.
How is amateur 250 beating 450's
star bike
Rider strength. Average joes and pros have no business on a 450. It’s to heavy with too much power. You can’t ride it to its potential for a full moto.
@@Johnny_Hopper u a joke u really think deagan wouldn't have won on pro circuit or honda
250s are usually faster if ya don't mind grenading one every race. They make 450s for people that don't like replacing parts every 10hrs.
For example.... I weight about 208 in full gear. To haul ass on a 250 I would need to leave it pinned. On the 450 I can braap around 90% of the time. I can feel a difference in my 450s power and clutches in one dune trip.. can only imagine what a real race does to bikes.
This is obnoxious. Why does anyone care? Kids dope. Putting his name anywhere brings viewers. Let it all go. You putting his name in this video got you more views. People need to let it go.
Star is so cringe
Deegan aint pro yet! You dont like him much i see! Who are you anyway? I dont know what your problem is but deegan is the shot in the arm the sport needs along with the hunter boys. Get off his back man