Are Japanese HiFi Speakers Better? TAD Compact Evolution One REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- This is my video review for the TAD Compact Evolution One CE1 HiFi Speakers. These are an extremely high end three way speaker system with a beryllium / magnesium coaxial mid range tweeter driver and aramid fibre bass driver.
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0:00 Intro
1:30 CE1
4:45 Sound Quality
9:40 System Matching
11.10 Final Thoughts
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I appreciate this video is a bit more talking "waffle" than I normally do, just to confirm I never set out to review these speakers I just wanted to listen to them and use them to review other products, hence my comments about not having the gear that could really push them. Lots of people asked about them so I made the video as a result. Please do bear that in mind for this one.
Don't ever apologise for detail. Enthusiasts want to know everything. Also..... You dealt with the price honestly, acknowledging the extreme expense before putting forward the reasons for the cost.
The TAD are some of Guttenberg's favorite speakers.
thank you for the review. Very rare review of TAD speakers, very unique. The review and the opinion the hifi community has been waiting for. This review will shape opinion about CE1 (and ME1) due to rarity of reviews in general, and not easy to hear and test at home. Thank you are sharing your views with us.
I fully understand the feeling of letting go of speakers you connect with on an emotional level. You did surprise me quite a bit Terry with your comments on the TADs. Their sound signature are the complete opposite of traditional British speakers ( British being warm, rich & lush in the mids and bass). Thanks for the review. I look forward to the sound demos.
Very good review. You are energetic, factful and trustworthy. Thank you very much.
I miss my TAD. The imagining is second to none. The ME-1 may have that treble that is mentioned. Likely a little less hifi sounding and more towards a natural presentation. Thanks for the review T!
Very sharp looking speakers. I'm sure they sound amazing. But wow, that price. Great review as always. Thanks Terry!
Nice review Terry I'm sure the tissues will be coming out if you have to say goodbye to them.😭 I have had some experience with these particular speakers, and I concur with your thoughts.
I heard them through my plinius SA 103 monoblocks, and they were something special.
When pushed with all that class a power the imaging and soundstage become even more divined.
And their speed and transit ability go off the charts.
But they definitely need to be fed lots of clean power to be at their best.🎧🙂👍
TAD was Pioneer's effort to start making US designed speakers. So they hired VP of engineering for JBL Bart Locanthi. So hardly a true Japanese speaker company any more than BMWs built in the US are Detroit Metal!
Way back in the day, popular Pioneer/ Japanese speakers were like the CS-66. Lots of drivers in a highly efficient cabinet. Japan at the time had limits on how much power an amp could have to keep power consumption in high population areas down. So speakers had to be efficient! But they eventually figured out that was not the most desirable design for the US!
I own a pair of Pioneer S-A7-2 speakers and using same type of driver which has tweeter inside mid-range drivers. And they sound great.
Like this review! Mostly because mentioning the emotional aspect (at the very end), which i assume was because the speakers perhaps helped further opening the door to the emotions within the music (or the listener’s?). That is why I.. we dig a little deeper into our wallets, not so much for a 20Hz bass, or the most neutral-white clarity in sound (although either of it may help).
Enjoyed the review. You nearly floored me when you brought up the price but you seem to think that they are probably worth the money spent. Now you need to do an audio review like you did with the Mission 770's. Keep up the good work.
Cheers, I did do one as part of a DAC comparison ruclips.net/video/Qj2rEgiGCBU/видео.html
It’s great to watch and hear your passion on the Tad speakers, thanks Terry. Your comments reinforce to me more of a hifi budget should go on quality speakers. Over the years I must spent equal amounts on various hifi components and not being satisfied with the end results. . Now I wish I’d saved for a pair of higher end speakers like the Tad / mp duo and fed with lower budget components-then upgrading in time to bring more sonics from capable speakers such as these. I’ll start saving now!
Thanks for this great video Therry : )
The registers of medium - trebles are incredibly good, for sure required the best electronic/source to perform as best as possible. All Hi-End systems require as well always a good homogeneity between all elements.
Anyways, the price keeps very high because if you want a real full range performance, you need to associate a sub.
With the years of background you have, you place the level of the Quality before the price.
Continue your great reviews and maybe 1 day, you'll review a Golden Ear Triton Reference 2 different concepts compare to this japanese treasure... But finally if we keep ratio Quality/Price as the main criteria ?
Cheers Therry 👍
They look great with the subs mate . 🎵🎶
Yeah thats just pure coincidence but I agree I think it does all match up and look right if that makes sense
@@PursuitPerfectSystem it makes sense , a happy accident lol
I went to AXPONA 2022. There was a magico m6 system at a very large room with tons of crazy components and there was a TAD compact reference one system in a small room. Surprisingly, the tad came more impressive to me. Higher resolution and more 3d-like sound image. I would definitely buy TAD without any hesitation if I had the money lol...
I too was at Axpona and had the good fortune to find the room with the TAD Evolution Two towers. To my ears a wonderful sound that was more coherent and pleasing to hear than many of the other big named loudspeakers there.
wow - great insight. I never heard the M6 but would love to. I own the CR1's, playing in a large room with a pair of velodyne DD10+ subs plus 'stat super tweeters. Like my own private jazz club - and I think If I blindfolded someone and walked them in, they would never guess they weren't at a live performance.
Would love these to go with my TAD D1000 DAC!
18k,,. A "tad" more than I can muster up,, 😅.
Thanks Terry. 🍻😎👍
Thanks Terry , for a short but a luxurious Ride 🤣
I hear that a lot
Lucky YOU! Nice way to break-in your new room.. NO DOUBT! 😁 👍🏼
I am hoping that you are going to review the Kinki EX-M1+ Amp soon.
Terry, I would LOVE to hear your "take" on The Kinki Studio EX-B7 Mono Blocs in the future. They put out some nice power and It would be great to have your input on the sound quality of these more affordable mono blocs.
Kinki review be soon need to try it on more speakers to make sure I get it right
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Looking forward to what you have to say!
As my Pioneer S-2ex. 🤩🤪 Same drivers apparently
🤗THANKS TERRY …for sharing
We LOVE CO-AXIAL speakers
But do these go well with sushi 🧐😉😍😍😍
Pioneer had an EXTREMELY well reviewed and EXTREMELY popular line of Andrew Jones designed line of speakers here in America about 10 years ago.
I was lucky enough to pick up a pair of 2018's SP-BS22LR 's at a local thrift shop. Set them as rears w/ 6 Acoustic Research HC6's found at the same shop prior. They blend well enough in a budget 7.1 set up, but are differant enough that it's kind of like having a 2 zone set up in one room. Mish mosh set up due solely to budget and room limations. Very happy with speakers considering cost was only $80 for all 8 of them !
Delving into pioneers history reveals that initially they were speaker manufacturers.. actual speaker components... Drivers. I always find it silly when reviewers , usually the ones lucky enough to mostly delve in the higher end, suggest certain mass market companies couldn't possibly make good speakers. I would think these larger companies have access to whatever resources needed to put together competitive products. Companies such as sony and Yamaha have always had a special pair of speakers in their catalogs that while lesser known, are there if only to prove the point .
Great review. Is there a sound demo coming?
I have recordings so all being well yes
Thanks for the video... I have only heard them one time, while in Japan. A most uncomfortable visit to a very rich persons home. They sounded good, but music was so low below speaking voice was not wowed. Later discovered they cost MORE than my Subaru SUV. If I was filthy rich... would still not buy them. I would look for B&W Nautilus or Watt Puppies
Hi Terry, while since we've spoken, great video as always. It was your recommendation that got me over to Nintronics (Adam x2 and Roger) to listen to Marten Oscar Duo's, but I ended up with a pair of TAD ME-1's. Amazing speakers. I pair these with a Luxman L-590 AXII. I also have (kept from prev system) a KEF KC62 sub. It really makes a difference. I guess my question is, do I keep a single KC62, add a second, or jump to a single REL (space is tight and whilst I can do two KC62's it would prob be a single REL. REL wise open to S/510, S812 or Carbon Special. Any pointers from your experience and knowing what I have and where it came from ! Cheers, Lee
I so want a Pair of these ..hopefully i can find a used pair .. they would be a great opposite sound to my Boenicke W8se+ speakers
I love TAD speakers from top to their lowest price, which is still out of my price range. I really think Pioneer have done exceptionally well in this line of speakers and yes, it is a division of Pioneer Corp still. It's amazing the hi fi world doesn't think that Pioneer couldn't build great speakers but I put that down to hi fi snobbery. You only have to hear what Andrew Jones said about Pioneer and the engineers that worked there, hence he was there for 17 years! I have several Pioneer models, which were the forerunners to TAD speakers and also used Beryllium drivers. I think they deliver a sound stage that is wide, deep and dynamic, still to this day but TAD is unbeatable.
there's a lot of speakers better than tad sorry like Tidal, monitor audio platinum 500 Gen 2.
@@chrisrichards2827 Your opinion, not for me
@@willmorgan365 I really don't care LOL I've heard the tad speakers and they're very good but not as good as the monitor audio platinum ll, they're not as three dimensional not as natural sounding. and I have a $70,000 system in my home.
@@chrisrichards2827 different people , different strokes ... Peace out.
I'm sorry to say but tad is not unbeatable there's a lot better speakers out there for a lot less money no such thing as unbeatable and there's no best speaker in the world either.
These speakers are great, you can use Rogue audio Magnum II/III, Mcintosh MC1502 and of course TAD M600/700 to drive them for great sound, suiting different price range. The only issue for these speakers is TAD has discontinued them. So buy a pair of good used ones is the only way to go.
I hear that this model is coming back and TAD Labs now has a distributor in the USA
Nice review of TAD. I have had three pairs and they are quit good. The Model 1 was the best, but they cracked. Their drivers are second to none. You definitely should have hooked them up to a higher priced amp. The do noticeably improve. Beryllium can be harsh to DAC is important.
Cracked ?
@@jitrapornpha5104 Andrew Jones first TAD speaker used stacked birch plywood, a technique which Alon Wolf then adopted for his much smaller speakers that put him on the map. On a large speaker like the model one, quite a few of them cracked since they were made of laters of glued wood. TAD abandoned that approach, (and replaced or refunded those early buyers) and there has been no issues since. TAD's are wonderful.
Hey Terry--so as to your comment re; "Pioneer speakers", one of the best values to be released in the past 20 years of hifi was the andrew jones designed "Pioneer S-EX" series, which were effectively scaled down TAD's from his own designs. They had CST's, wonderfully shaped cabinets and finishes, and performed amazingly well. They didn't sell. Because "pioneer".
There is some on Ebay now what are the odds
@@PursuitPerfectSystem yeah those are overpriced. They tend to come up now and again and usually are sub $4k USF
@@yuckysamson being sold by a used hifi dealer so will be a premium :)
How did you deploy DIRAC via an AVR? Thanks for the review, love seeing reviews on these.
I used Dirac is my custom built dedicated music pc so Dirac was running as software it’s called the suite these days
I never realised TAD were Japanese - I thought they were Scandinavian/European - everyday's a school day!
Japanese British & American. Take your pick. Each brings something to the table
I thought these might have been the same brand as the guy you visited last year. They look great.
They are the same brand just a model down and about £100k less
@@PursuitPerfectSystem love it and the price too haha. Well if you ever need hand to set up your cameras in his set up, would be more than happy to help 🤣😂👍🏽
Hi, Please do a review of Harbeth M40.3 XD's . Thanks in advance! :)
Yeah would love to but I don't have anything planned right now sorry
I have been into stereos for almost forty years. Japanese speakers have improved. Most of the Japanese stereo speakers from the 1980s and 1990s sounded terrible. Their turntables, receivers and the rest of the electronics are top-notch topshelf and own Japanese electronics and they are the best . I think Yamaha makes some decent speakers and I'm sure that there are other quality speaker manufacturers based in Japan .
Man I bet they are bad arse
Good review…. But the the price lol. I mean the Revel 328be is $16,000 and about perfect… the 226be is also right there if your using subs anyway. Just saying.
You raise a tech question about class d that seemingly provides linear gain across the frequency range. Thus do quality class d power amps provide the best power profile for speakers? A linear frequency response of course depends on individual speaker design and implementation. How come class d sounds artificial even in $55,000 Jeff Rowland mono blocks feeding Raidho floor standers. That linearity is perhaps not so ideal after all? Again these speakers will reveal whatever they’re fed.
God there expensive mate lol 😂. Would love to hear them tho.
Surly your going to do a demo 🙏🏻
I have a few demos recorded yes, its just getting to the make the videos. Yes these are expensive but not compared to the TAD Reference speakers,
THANKS TERRY …WE LOVE CO-AXIAL SPEAKERS🤗…but do these go well with sushi 😉😍😍😍
@@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 To buy these I would be living on noodles for a long time
@@PursuitPerfectSystem would it be worth it …in your opinion 🤔😍😍😍
@@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 I would live on noodles no problem but the kids might not want to and chicken nuggets cost too much
These are priced like my YG Acoustics Carmel 2's ...I never heard a TAD but think YG measures a little flatter and goes a little deeper down to 30 htz at -10 db. I also use 700W @ 4ohm Mola Mola monoblocks. They need power as well.
I had the Carmel 1 in for evaluation and went with TAD.
Is this the closest you have got to your perfect system in your room Terry?
I don't know really Mike as so much has changed but this is the most 3d my system has sounded but a lot of that was the addition of the subs
Looks like the kind of speaker that once you've heard them, you wish you never had as you know you'll need a lottery win to have any chance of ever owning them!
Please do a show for integration of REL S series subwoofer with main speakers with dirac live?
I have my own way of doing it and that would be giving away too many of my Dirac USP secrets :)
Do you really need the subwoofers? I mean that seems ridiculous with these. Is it your taste?
Maybe just a tad better... lol!
I’ve always liked the look of TAD Speakers. They always seemed to be the Japanese Brand that people either wilfully ignore or just don’t have a clue about, especially in the UK.
Shame really as our own Brit Andrew Jones was lead at one point for TAD and really designed some great stuff for them.
Just a Tad to expensive for me 😝.
That sounds like one of my subtle jokes - nice !!!
Me Too 💲💲
@@PursuitPerfectSystem hehehe 😂
around £17K?!
Are they better value than a car? :)
Well, they do last a lot longer 😜😜
@@paulb.3227 lol
😂🤣😂😂😂😂
Having to Dirac £19k speakers doesn’t speak volumes to your treated room.
It doesn't work like that the rooms dimensions combined with the speakers and subwoofers placement dictate a lot. It's the same in every room, with all speakers and subwoofers
Room Correction is always required to tweak and set up the last few % of the system. Dirac or any other software isnt there to correct your missing Room Acoustics, software is the last step after youve done your room treatment ;-)
A tad expensive, I’d say…
Only need to mortgage your house!
No. But TAD is.
You could get 95% of the same performance for under 3000 pounds.
What model in u mind
Too much cash for me. Way too much 🤨
Japanese speakers better than what? Ridiculous, every country has ranges of speakers in different quality categories.
That is the whole point its an open ended question
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Sorry but your question and the title is not open - ended, is loaded. That's the point of my comment.
@@MuzikSonics not really these are the first Japanese speaker I have reviewed in years so the question makes sense in that context and it’s open because it’s deliberately vague
Come on, don't be that serious!
£19,000 🥺🌹😭
It was never meant to be unless I make $1T in Bitcoin. 😭🍼
Better? What does that even mean?
"Better" is subjective, my brotha.
it means you might click to see that is all
Are Japanese speakers better? The Magic 8 Ball says, "No".
I wouldnt exactly call that flat with 5dB deviations.
That’s in room so the bass won’t be flat of course it’s not in any room
@@PursuitPerfectSystem even for a non anechoic measurement. Many professional studio monitors are a lot more flat.
@@MonoLucas123 maybe not in my room and also I wouldn’t confuse a flat looking graph with good sound quality it’s just a rough marker of a speaker behaviour not even really sound quality