First time, that I have seen someone wearing a Fiber Metal "PipeLiner" hood in 30 years: my favorite. Great video. My 1989 GMC 3500 has a SM465 transmission and it's getting stiff, not sloppy. Duh?
After new roll pins and shifter is in installed, to retain the roll pins use a stainless steel hose clamp over the top of the shift tower you will never see the hose clamp under the stock shifter boot.
If pins are loose or missing tap them with a 3/8-16 tap then use a 1 1/2" 3/8 bolt and jam nut. Run the bolt in till is puts a little pressure on the ball then tighten jam nut use locktite of course.
Secure the roll pin in the hole and then use a small punch and hammer to peen around the pin hole to shrink the hole until the roll pin is securely retained. Done this trick with bearing races and roll pins over the years.
Well I do love glass packs as well I had them on my 6.0. at first I just love them and after a while it got old because that constant loud rumble in the truck just got to be overbearing you couldn't have a conversation with a buddy in the passenger seat without yelling all day
HowDo? I had the same thing happened to me in my old 75 at that time.Man that's one helluva idea.Surely learn something new every day.I still have the old tranny, I'll have to try it out one day on my other future projects.👍👍✌️✌️🏁
I have problems with that transmission, it takes the changes when it's cold but when it gets hot the changes stick. what could it be? thank you very much
My apologies if there's already a video on this, but have you ever had a lose 3rd (or 2nd if you count L. 1. 2. 3)? Mine will fall out of place if I don't hold it up. First time it happened, was full-throttle on an onramp, pitched the truck sideways and nearly crashed.
@@SquarebodyStuff Thanks for the info. I'll try searching more. I always thought it was a weak spring, but I'll see what upgrades they have for 3rd gear on the SM465.
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No back when people lifted trucks with body lift blocks the shifter would be 3" deeper in the floor, it did not feel right reaching down for the shifter. If the notch in the bottom of the shifter that rides on the roll pins is to worn out, it is best to source another complete shifter. That old 465 and 205 gear drive transfer case was some good stuff.
Nice video. I have 83 gmc jimmy 4 speed 4x4 gm465452 I lost low & 1st gear but can get 2nd, 3rd & reverse. My bro said it might be the shifter. What do you think. It started with not catching 1st gear but would catch low gear so I would drive in low then shift to 2nd then 3rd while driving. I only have 3rd gear & reverse now. Talk to me BRO.
Hah! I knew I wasn't hallucinating! There IS supposed to be a little plastic bit in there! Problem is I can't even find a GM part number for it. And welding the shifter into one piece resulted in the truck no longer going into ANY gear and me having to scour the junkyard for another shifter, which is *Also* missing the little plastic piece :‐| I guess just a tiny bit of give is crucial to soak up differences in manufacturing tolerance or something.. So I guess now I have to start using pieces of plastic trash until I find something that works. Maybe a scrap of PEX plumbing. Or the cap from a Coleman propane bottle
Supposedly the end piece takes 2 O-rings. If you drive out the pin and remove the end piece you'll see where they go. But with O-rings and/or plastic bushings taking a beating from the leverage of such a long shift lever I'd wager that this welding technique will produce better results, even if it makes the shifter feel a little "rougher" .... however since you're not going to eliminate all the slop regardless, that's not a concern. I'd be more concerned with where missing O-rings and plastic bushings wind up!
The ones I've seen (that are still sort of intact) are white plastic rings that have a square cross section that fit in the grooves you see in the end piece. A piece of 0.020" metal wrapped around the end piece tightens it up well too, for those that don't have a welder. You can add 7/16" o-rings to tighten it up even more.
@@SquarebodyStuff My son and I are watching a bunch of your vids. I have a '77 GMC. I'm hoping to get him excited about these great trucks. Thank you for making all this great content.
Thank you for watching. These old trucks create lots of find memories for many people. Hopefully you and your son can create many good memories with yours.
Just did this and it tightened up my shifter but now it won’t go into low. Goes in all the other gears fine. Just wondering if you might have any idea what went wrong.
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Thanks for sharing! 20 minutes of work made a world of difference
I'm glad it helped out.
First time, that I have seen someone wearing a Fiber Metal "PipeLiner" hood in 30 years: my favorite. Great video. My 1989 GMC 3500 has a SM465 transmission and it's getting stiff, not sloppy. Duh?
After new roll pins and shifter is in installed, to retain the roll pins use a stainless steel hose clamp over the top of the shift tower you will never see the hose clamp under the stock shifter boot.
i drilled out the hole and put in a larger spring steel roll pin...tightened right up
If pins are loose or missing tap them with a 3/8-16 tap then use a 1 1/2" 3/8 bolt and jam nut. Run the bolt in till is puts a little pressure on the ball then tighten jam nut use locktite of course.
Good info, thanks.
No those threads will ware out fast and be Very sloppy.
I can't believe you just put that greasy ring on your beautiful carpet and left a grease stain ring on it man, party foul 🤣🤣🤣
Secure the roll pin in the hole and then use a small punch and hammer to peen around the pin hole to shrink the hole until the roll pin is securely retained. Done this trick with bearing races and roll pins over the years.
Good tip. Thanks
I love the sound of the glass packs .
But I think I'm going to try the dynamax tubes on my 358 check em out their 25 apiece on amazon
Well I do love glass packs as well I had them on my 6.0. at first I just love them and after a while it got old because that constant loud rumble in the truck just got to be overbearing you couldn't have a conversation with a buddy in the passenger seat without yelling all day
HowDo? I had the same thing happened to me in my old 75 at that time.Man that's one helluva idea.Surely learn something new every day.I still have the old tranny, I'll have to try it out one day on my other future projects.👍👍✌️✌️🏁
I have problems with that transmission, it takes the changes when it's cold but when it gets hot the changes stick. what could it be? thank you very much
Great video, looking forward to the next one
Thanks.
yes
Do you know how adjust the linkage ( for this manual transmission)
The clutch linkage?
@@SquarebodyStuff no the shifter linkage
These transmissions don't have a linkage for the shifter.
@@SquarebodyStuff okey! Thank you buddy 🙏🙏
My shifter is rought,Do you have any idea what it could be?
What's it doing?
My apologies if there's already a video on this, but have you ever had a lose 3rd (or 2nd if you count L. 1. 2. 3)? Mine will fall out of place if I don't hold it up. First time it happened, was full-throttle on an onramp, pitched the truck sideways and nearly crashed.
Yes, there are upgraded third gears for these. No videos on it but I have done a couple upgrades.
@@SquarebodyStuff Thanks for the info. I'll try searching more. I always thought it was a weak spring, but I'll see what upgrades they have for 3rd gear on the SM465.
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That's the reason I named my 82 Lucy.
😂😂😂😂
I named my 78 Missy because she misses at idle.
Good stuff right there!
Thanks
Are you using the stock clutch in that set up
At the time of this video I was.
Can you do a video when you should go to a better clutch and what would be best
id love to see a 6speed manual put into a square body 73-87 chevy pickup
Me too. I'd do it if someone would donate the trans.😂😂
@@SquarebodyStuff do yo think it would work
I don't see why not
I wish I could find the sm465 for my 84. Do you know of anyone that still builds them? Rebuilds them or has any?
Not off the top of my head.
Could you shorten the length of the shift lever to tighten it up some? Make the throw shorter?
That would work, but the you have to physically reach for it.
No back when people lifted trucks with body lift blocks the shifter would be 3" deeper in the floor, it did not feel right reaching down for the shifter. If the notch in the bottom of the shifter that rides on the roll pins is to worn out, it is best to source another complete shifter. That old 465 and 205 gear drive transfer case was some good stuff.
Nice video. I have 83 gmc jimmy 4 speed 4x4 gm465452 I lost low & 1st gear but can get 2nd, 3rd & reverse. My bro said it might be the shifter. What do you think. It started with not catching 1st gear but would catch low gear so I would drive in low then shift to 2nd then 3rd while driving. I only have 3rd gear & reverse now. Talk to me BRO.
Sounds like the synchronizers are shot. Time for a rebuild. I had the same thing happen in my crew cab.
@@SquarebodyStuff OK thx BRO gonna be my summer project.
Hah! I knew I wasn't hallucinating! There IS supposed to be a little plastic bit in there!
Problem is I can't even find a GM part number for it. And welding the shifter into one piece resulted in the truck no longer going into ANY gear and me having to scour the junkyard for another shifter, which is *Also* missing the little plastic piece :‐| I guess just a tiny bit of give is crucial to soak up differences in manufacturing tolerance or something..
So I guess now I have to start using pieces of plastic trash until I find something that works. Maybe a scrap of PEX plumbing. Or the cap from a Coleman propane bottle
I've welded several of these and never had an issue.
Do they not make a bushing that goes back in there correctly?
I think they do, but not entirely sure.
Supposedly the end piece takes 2 O-rings. If you drive out the pin and remove the end piece you'll see where they go. But with O-rings and/or plastic bushings taking a beating from the leverage of such a long shift lever I'd wager that this welding technique will produce better results, even if it makes the shifter feel a little "rougher" .... however since you're not going to eliminate all the slop regardless, that's not a concern.
I'd be more concerned with where missing O-rings and plastic bushings wind up!
The ones I've seen (that are still sort of intact) are white plastic rings that have a square cross section that fit in the grooves you see in the end piece. A piece of 0.020" metal wrapped around the end piece tightens it up well too, for those that don't have a welder. You can add 7/16" o-rings to tighten it up even more.
That's some good info for those without access to a welder.
I have been trying to get my sm465 fixed but want go into 2nd and 3rd and reverse gear. If you can tell me how to fix that to with the shifter welded
Will the shifter move left and right while in neutral.
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@@SquarebodyStuff My son and I are watching a bunch of your vids. I have a '77 GMC. I'm hoping to get him excited about these great trucks. Thank you for making all this great content.
Thank you for watching. These old trucks create lots of find memories for many people. Hopefully you and your son can create many good memories with yours.
Just did this and it tightened up my shifter but now it won’t go into low. Goes in all the other gears fine. Just wondering if you might have any idea what went wrong.
not sure, I've never had that problem
Did you find a solution? I just welded mine and am having trouble getting into low as well.
I just thought you would know?
I never drive the truck enough to check it and the speedo is off big time.
What is your gas mileage?
Lol, not worried about that with this truck.