Handheld CNC Router! Trying Out the Shaper Origin for the First Time!
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The Shaper Origin is a portable CNC handheld router that can be taken to your work unlike any other CNC. I put the Shaper Origin to test by routing and inlaying a diamond pattern into a finished desk. Something that would be nearly impossible with an ordinary CNC. Learn more about the Shaper Origin: bit.ly/2T5ImxA
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I've been looking at how this thing works for a while and this is definitely the best video to showcase what it can be used for, how it works and some of the limitations of using the tool. Good job!
I think that thing is more of an expensive crutch used by those who haven't mastered the Router to a degree that allows you to do those procedures without it.
I don't mean this in any type of disrespectful way. It's just what I think.
Thanks David and I'm happy to see you making things with Dan again.
If you are doing batch work, lots of this can be done with jigs and a router. Origin shines when you want to iterate or make many unique items. Being able to make offset & depth adjustment in the fly means you can work very efficiently once you understand the capability.
@@ShumanProjects Truthfully, for $2,500.00, it's hard to justify when you think of all the Routers, accessories, jigs, templates, bits, a nice router table and so on for that much money.
And, you don't have to keep buying Shaper Tape at $18.00 a roll . I'm sure that would add up pretty fast.
Again, just offering my thoughts.
If I factor what my time is worth, I can get to $2500 in time savings really fast. I've been using my Origin for 2 ½ years and I'm on my third roll of tape.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't for every use case, but it is a very powerful & capable tool.
I just got one in my shop, and I have exactly the same feelings about it. Out of the box I was cutting in about 30 min. pretty amazing. Great video David!
The Shaper Workstation solved your small pieces issue. It's fantastic! Also, using glue syringes for the epoxy works well. Very controlled.
Inside line cut is so that you can switch to a smaller/more precise bit to cut sharp corners and remove the radius of the bit (like at the tips of the diamonds). Also helps prevent chip-out. On the first pass you you can use a larger bit to hog out most of the material.
I didn't know there's a error margin, and the machine corrects little mistakes. Incredible tool.
Man I love this channel, but you've just shown me something I don't think I can live without.....and they don't sell them in Australia. Oh, the humanity!
Any time I used epoxy that requires a very clean finish I use craft syringes with various diameter tips. Nothing special but you can get them from Amazon for next to nothing. Very interesting video. Keepem coming 👍
I generally opt for syringes at a farm supply store like Tractor Supply. Anywhere from 3cc to 120cc.
This is the best video I’ve seen about this machine. I never really understood what it would be used for but now it makes perfect sense and I can see how it would be a very valuable tool to have.
So much for hand made craftsmanship and skill.
You’re looking at it wrong!
Great video.I’ve seen some demonstrations of it before.Many guys use a board right in front of the workpiece the route into and put the tape on that piece,so they don’t waste to much of the tape.Guess you know,and I never used it,just found it a good solution.Don’t know if it was possible in your case.Great result.
The one thing I like about mine is that it is so simple to operate. My son wanted to make a sign for his room. He was 9 at the time and had no issues.
I wish that creators of this machine give you back your money just because you made such a cool advertisement for the machine. And I mean it the good way. No script just your honest opinion which your fans like in you!
That has got to be the coolest thing I've seen in a long time...
The blue epoxy inlay was a great idea! And that “cake decorating” squeeze bag technique was on point 👍
Yeah legit 😎
Called a "Piping Bag". Great idea too.
Thank you for the video. I am just a retired hobbyist with a small shop. I have enjoyed some of your other videos. I am seriously thinking about this. This video is two years old, do you still love it?
This is the first demo I've seen for this tool. Seems pretty cool, and yes, can perform some operations not feasible with an average hobbyist's CNC. As usual, you made it uber-interesting~! And yes, that's pretty pricy, but if that's your only CNC device, then maybe it's a wash. Thanks for the demo~!
great vid, I bought one last year and havn't really used it yet but i'm more likely to now. thanks.
I fell asleep last night (India) watching this, continuing now (not because your videos are boring, they are so satisfying. Big Fan. Thank you Sir.
One trick for smaller parts is to use that tape on a reusable board or right on your workbench. Then you can reuse the same scan area for multiple pieces.
I need to do this! Thanks!
@@MakeSomething by the looks of their website, they have a 'workstation' that seems to be made for working on smaller pieces.
What a great machine. I can see how it would come in super useful in many situations. And the table looks great. It worked amazing.
Always makes me laugh when you cut off your talking about what you are gonna do next and just jump to the next scene. Love it, haha. Cool video!
"X number of cases of beer" is now the standard measure for cost. Picciuto has spoken!
What kind of beer are we talking here though... I've got some stuff that's 20 bucks a case and some that's 200
@@featherorknot it's like bitcoin... You can count them but never really know the value of what you have 😉
@@ruudhooff6486 ...especially if it ages well!
Just like a lot of machines in my shop.... 'I'm not going to, but I could!!' 🤣 Cool machine!
finally, a video with motor sound included! Actually not too loud at all
I still remember the proof of concept video demo for this thing. cool about the software being on point.
I never knew this existed until I watched your video. So...Shaper has my money.
I just played with this at rockler here in Orlando Florida 2500 they can take my money
Big veterinarian syringes used for cattle are cheap and handy for placing epoxy like that.
High cost? I need something for a 48x48 1/2 ply, I thought while watching that my size restrictions are only the length of domino tape. Compared to a CNC this is a bargain in my mind. GREAT video on the function, thanks for doing it David!
Thank you for making this video. This is an awesome machine and it will pay for itself when you have to do things that one cannot take to cnc machine.
Right now I am investing in big cnc machines but this will be on my list.
Thanks again and lookforward to watching future videos from your channel.
It's a Beautiful, so Efficient Machine, and Inspiring too create something with the help of this machine. Worth for the money I think. Lovely.
Finally. A video that explains how this machine takes human error out of the equation.
Been watching a series of videos from very credible Makers who use this machine and Ive always left them wondering how the machine is a CNC when in reality its just a person with a router and if they go off line they dont ruin a cut.
Thanks for explaining that David.
Have to say though, very overpriced. This machine is $2600 and my CNC Ox was only $850. And that requires no manual work from me at all.
For your epoxy inlays in the future, you might consider some plumbers putty or a similar material to make a dam to supplement the piping bag technique. The tool is too rich for my blood, but it was fascinating to watch it work!
For the smaller itemsd i saw someone else use a board with the tape on it within the view of the shaper, and the small piece in front of it.
As long as the camera can see enough of the tape, you can just reserve a reference board for small items.
This makes sense! Thanks Sparky!
Some other thoughts, everyone seems to use 2 foot lenghts even for small objects, how short can the strips be
For batching, if the machine can leave tabs lie other cnc's, have a reference board and maybe just slide the material along to repeat the cut ?
I do both of these! I have a number of boards/jigs with tape and various ways to mount the work piece in: double sided tape, vacuum table, clamps, t-track.
The tape can be any length, but the camera looks forward and has a wide view. A few rows 12"+ tape is enough for a small piece. Protip: you don't need any tape on or behind the small piece, just in front.
Tabs work great when you don't have the center of something held. You don't even need to include them in the model, just skip a small area in the final depth pass.
Yeah that would be an awesome tool for an inlay on wood floor
Such a cool device.
At 4:06 and a bit after I was immediately sold. I gotta get this now!
very cool, I could definitely use this to make cool wood signs.
Great video, thanks for filming!
Wow, this thing is amazing. I saw it in the Rockler catalog and of course they had no video or information on it hence the youtube search. Pretty slick.
Cool product 👍 For anyone interested, those cake icing bags are called Piping bags; my wife has corrected me enough times, I actually remember that now.lol
Nice tip Dan.
Thank you so much for this. You have done a magnificent job of explaining it and showing some of how it works. It looks very capable. Thanks.
A total game changer. WOW!
Honestly this thing is a genius idea. Expensive but genius. Does it have some quick functions for doing things like rabbits/dadoes/etc? Not the hardest thing to do with existing jigs but this would be much faster.
Thank you, David (and Dan)! I've seen lots of videos about the Shaper Origin. Until I saw your video, I didn't know what it was like to really use the thing. So thanks!
I want a Shaper Origin. But as you say, the price is high. It's even higher than some quality table, CNC machines that can do 3D carves (Origin does not do full, 3D relief carves). OTOH -- I don't have room for a CNC table. I'll probably get one, but I am waiting until I really need it for a project. Maybe I'll ask Santa.
It is true Origin doesn't do 3D relief cutting. I think Origin vs traditional cnc depends on the type of work you do. I think Shaper is more useful for joinery/furniture/woodworking tasks than a traditional cnc. If you want to do signs & carving, a traditional cnc is going to be more functional.
With the way tracking technology is coming along, I can't imagine it won't be long till they come out with a new one that doesn't even need the tape.
that’s an amazing machine.
the possibilities are endless.
what’s up with the walls in that room?
what kind of walls are in that room?
where do i find walls like that?
is that sound proofing?
what kind of walls are those?
cheers!
Would love to know!
Love that angular/prismatic black wall!
GR8 tool - nice inlay job too - Brad’s expo year idea was a good one. Can’t wait to see what else you do with it.
I think I might remember Stumpy Nubs doing the “piping bag” technique once...it turned out really cool!
Also, tell Dan props for the J-cut at the end...kinda threw me (and I think it was meant to) lol
Thanks for the video, David. The Shaper Origin will definitely find its way in my shop in the future. Woodworking, stepper motors and computer vision in one device.... unfortunately, I can’t resist. Ha! Thanks again.
I'm looking forward to returning to Finewoodworking at the level that my former clients and skill set established 25 years ago, just from my own home shop and disabled.
As days progress, time will tell. But it seems my disabilities will not be an issue.
My buddy has this and I have an X Carve so we share. We use the X Carve way more because you can do other things in the shop while it's cutting. The science router is really cool and works awesome but it's just not worth it for the cost to use ratio compared to an Xcarve. Now if they made it so it cut on its own with little wheels or something it would be a different ball game.
I want! but I just got a plunge router I have not used yet (apartment life... not easy). It is pretty awesome.
A pair of digital owl eyes permanently looking at you from the desk.
Dan thinks it looks like an elephant
A Syringe for the epoxy resin works extremely well.
And you can get them in different sizes. 👍👍👍
Very good explained
reminds me of the first vcrs......my dad paid 1200 bucks for one. The last one I ever bought cost me 49 dollars.
Yep! I remember my dad paying $500.
Actually there is another choice for adding handheld cnc quality inlays to a project. It's all in the templates and we have a bunch of them!
It is a pretty crazy machine for sure. Also crazy is that I kinda like how that little bit of tear out looks with the same blue epoxy flowing into it. Thanks for the video!
So...it seems that Dan spent his free time during the Apocalypse doing a bit of cake decorating?
Cool machine. I have seen ads for it, but just thought it was a router with a camera. This has really opened my eyes.
I won't be running it too get one since it is sho pricey. But wow! The possibilities.
I enjoy the machine but I'm not a fan of the calibrating tape. I understand that it's necessary with this style of setup, but it is another necessary proprietary material and produces a large amount of waste.
What if I told you it comes right off and is reusable? Because that's what I did.
@@MakeSomething that is definitely a plus, then you only lose some when you have to cut through it. Thanks for sharing!
I doubt an inch wide piece of tape will destroy the planet. There are much bigger fish to fry.
@@dwightl5863 Waste is waste and little actions add up. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy it, I'm just stating that it is a thing. Go fry your bigger fish
There are a couple website tools that will generate the tape patterns on your own paper that you can print.
Many folks end up making jigs, like the Shaper vertical workstation, that don't destroy tape. I've had my Origin over two years and am only on my third role of tape.
Great honest review mate. Hopefully can get them in Australia for a good price. Stevo
Did you notice his Aussie flag is backwards?
I'm sold, great video
Great demo. It gives us a view on how one would actually use it. I'm sold!
Nice video, really shows where it could be useful. Still a bit pricey for specific uses. Any other CNC would do better for the rest
Wow!! I wonder what it would like to be to create a wing rib with it.
If you can draw it, Origin can cut out (flat pieces).
Thanks for the reply @@ShumanProjects. The more I think about it, the more excited I get!!
I’ve always wondered how it would handle small engravings. Like a fine engraving on a small sign, or a plaque engraving
It does really well! I picked up a case of PCB cutting mill bits down to 1/32" diameter. We have cut a few PCBs, a copper plaque, and engraved a coin. The coin was a remake from the Ready Player One movie: instagram.com/p/BpdSm5JjKNF/?igshid=ribs8e058d22
Whoa! That's pretty sweet!
Beautiful results! Thanks for sharing the learning process! The blue epoxy accent is nice and the cake frosting trick is brilliant.
You should do a video on endless dove tails with this !
Also...the horse shoe on your face...are we not going to talk about this? ;)
👍👍👍👍definitely a game changer
Really cool video! If you were to look at my shop, you would guess that I only spent 3 cases of beer on my most expensive tool - MAX! Keep updating us on these cool tools that you find. Eventually one is bound to fall into my price range.
I just saw this thing last week and thought it looked interesting but didnt seem legit. Thanks for testing it out! I'll probably never be able to afford one, but it is super cool
That machine is awesome. I gotta try it out sometime but I’m not sure it would find it’s way into my workflow.
the coolest tool I have ever seen! Thanks!
Awesome mate! Thanks!
Great video. Nice review on the Shaper. Beautiful desk too. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Awesome video! You nailed it! I watched other “origin” videos, none explained it as well as you did! I really appreciate it!
YESSSSSSSSSSS! it's about time! Great video, thanks for taking the time!
I feel you should have used a different approach on blue :P ty for trying it out
Hey David, any chance you could do a short update video with a comparison between this Shaper and the Stepcraft. I am sat on the fence between the two and would love some unbiased information.
Cheers matey,
Anthony
Bartering for woodwork!! Love it. That router is amazing!!
the touch down does not read the heigth of the material but the depth at which the bit contacts the material..for this machine all material has the same heigth which is the top surface of the material..
Way to go Dan!
Very cool video; thanks for posting. Does it only come with one roll of domino tape? Is the tape reusable? What do they charge for more tape? Thanks.
OHHH!!! Great idea about using a baggie to pour epoxy in small areas!!! Thank You!!! :)
Over 300 cases of beer... really cool tool tho! Loved seeing it in action!
Awesome info, where did you bought the black design wall is nice .
Can the tape be reused, the parts that aren’t cut of course. How much does a Lol of tape cost. What size bits does it accept. How easy to learn software?
People put strips of tape on paper and make photocopies because it's a consumable
Thank you .
You also end up making jigs to hold work, like the Shaper vertical workstation, that let you use the same tape over and over.
It comes with a 1/4" collet but you can get a 1/8" as well. I have some nice 1/32" and 1 /16" bits I use in the 1/8" for fine details .
Its cool, its innovative but unless your doing really large pieces its cheaper to get a cnc. But i could see it useful in a few situations
Most of my work is smaller, but I like that it doesn't take up a ton of room and is portable. I do like that it is easier to work on the ends of pieces, which is harder to setup, if not impossible on traditional CNCs.
Thanks for the video David. Awesome job giving me ideas whether this tool is useful in a small shop or not. It's pretty incredible!
Pretty interesting... great for shop with limited space. Can't get over that price tag though. Looking forward to more project videos with this!
awesome as always...thanks for sharing with us
Curious about the consumable, the tape. Can you take strip off and reuse it? And if not, whats the cost of a "cut" in tape. What about privacy, now your router knows exactly what you cut and when.
Notice : now owned by Festool.
The tape is only meant for one use. The adhesive balances holding down while you work but also coming off without reside. Folks have built some cool multi function jigs and plates that keep the tape from project to project.
Shaper has plans for a vertical workstation you can build (and they now sell a production version). Both don't require new tape. I built a vacuum hold down table I use that doesn't require new tape each time. I did a video about a year ago on my channel, if you are interested.
We have had our Origin over two years & are on our third roll of tape.
Neat tool, and I have to say the idea of putting an inlay in a hardwood floor never occurred to me until now. Now to sell my wife on it :)
I'm in the other camp... I need to keep my wife from finding out about it...
There’s no way to know where the nails are though
@@JimPepperTactical That would be a challenge, a magnet will let you find them, but working around them would be a nightmare.
Vincent Wolfe I say use a cheap bit, wear eye protection, and go for it!
totally.
Holy Cow, seen the price now? this thing is now $3500! Woah.