Thunderbolt Share Just Killed Your Thumb Drive
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- Intel has introduced Thunderbolt Share, a new protocol to seamlessly share files between two enabled devices. In this video Gordon shows off how it's used and why it's so much better than using thumb drives to transfer files.
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The title gave the impressin that Thunderbolt Share was some faulty power scheme that could send 9-48V to a USB memory stick....
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Yup I thought the same
Read it the same way XD
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think that it as an unintentional clickbait… and worked on me…
Can’t wait until USB-IF comes up with ‘USB 4.3 Gen 4x2 ShareSpeed++ 80G’ with this feature
Looks like through the software it does work with USB4, but yeah, I definitely see USB-IF adding this natively in USB4.5996.2368.003 (or talking about it more at least since they share so much 🤔)
I'd say it should even have backwards compatibility with anything that has USB and the right software.
Its licenced IP, not Intels`
A great way to transfer data from your old PC to your new PC, as long as your old PC is a new PC
ITS GORDON! feels like it's been forever. Hope you're much better!
what's up with him? he's looking thin
@@defnotatrollhe's been ill... in recovery and GLAD he's back
@@mqcapps Oh damn, glad to see he's doing much better now.
Is he also a boeing whistleblower?
@@defnotatroll My speculation from the stiffness in his right arm and some twitching in his right eye, is that he probably had a mini-stroke.
Title made me think that Thunderbolt was damaging USB drives.
Thunderbolt networking always worked with auto-assigned IP addresses, and put a shortcut to the remote machine on the desktop on connection. This just looks like sync software and remote desktop on top on the standard Thunderbolt Networking. I can’t imagine it’d be built into hardware, so it’ll probably work on any thunderbolt chipset supported by updated driver packages that include this software.
So happy to see you Gordon! Looking strong brother!
Since it is based on Bravura software suite, I've found this interresting paragraph at their blogsite: "Thunderbolt PC to PC data transfer - Easy Computer Sync now supports transferring data between PCs using a single Thunderbolt cable. This works with Thunderbolt 3, Thunderbolt 4, or USB4. The Thunderbolt connection supports transfers at up to 20Gbps, with typical transfer speeds of 9Gbps (1,125 MB/s). In most cases, the limiting factor is the write speed of each computer’s SSD drive. Make sure to have the latest Intel Thunderbolt drivers installed on both PCs before connecting a supported thunderbolt cable."
Awesome tech Gordon. 👏🏼
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Great to see Gordon again!
You're basically limited by the receiving SSD's write speed. That's really cool.
"Up to 10Gbps", you have some pretty slow SSD's there to limit this...
@@yibozhao1012which is often the case with notebooks I assume, where thermal management, power limitations, and use cases not requiring top performance often result in shower SSDs being used
@@yibozhao1012What ssd goes to 10gbs write speed?
@@x0Fang0x most NVMe SSDs will go way higher than that.
PCIE 4 nvmes are limited to 8gb/s. There's only a handful of PCIE 5 drives that go above 10gb/s. Most motherboards people use don't even support PCIE 5 yet.
The PC World God is back!
Hopefully the software is released for older laptops and PCs. Edit: Ah, thanks Gordon for mentioning the software that Intel has licensed. I thought it was co-developed with OEMs and for sharing the alternative i.e. docks. Edit 2: Hope you make a full speedy recovery Gordon, just found out from the comments... glad to see you're doing much better.
Nice to see Gordon back we missed you! Great concept a fast version of "Cross-LAN Cable" for future laptops. For plebs like me and many others I suggest just using (for now) Warpinator (Winpinator for windows users) to transfer files on any system (Linux, WIndows, Android, IOS, MacOS ETC cross compatible) on the same network! Bottleneck will be the slowest part, it may be the storages or the network.
Way back in the day, Windows had LAN network sharing built in, in college I remember LAN party seeing everyone's file shares and we all had new music videos or pics.
Now it's a pain in the ass to use an outdated protocol to setup user accounts and passwords on each device and *probably* allow access to the one file you wanted to transfer.
🤕 My head hurts
@@A2theCyou can still use sharing without access credentials in win, only it requires changing a few settings. Much less transparent than need be.
The Great Gordon returns. Glad to have you with us, and with a good video on a practical offering.
Intel's more tightly controlled advanced versions of USB have always been a plus for the Intel platform. There is just more certainty when you match Thunderbolt versions which features will be available to you. USB 3.x and 4.0 are such a mess. While I don't think Intel has the technology advantage in processors any more, they do have the external interface advantage.
we are back 25 years to the past
More like 35 years. Remember LapLink?
@@threadripper979 my 1st PC was a 2003 DDR1.
i know some old stuf but sorry not this.
Finally! Why did they not do this earlier?
Anyone else remember being able to do this with Macs since the 90s? Different protocols obviously, but same concept.
Macs used thunderbolt, they have been the only devices with thunderbolt for ages
That does sound like something Firewire supported
I remember using USB2 and SERIAL ports. Heck, even RJ45
@@LeJohnnyBoy how do you do that with USB2 ports?
hahaha you are damn right
Damn, I could almost cry, it's so good to see Gordon back and rocking again.
Congratulations ppl who have Thunderbolt, meanwhile us Type-C's we're just here
I always thought target disk mode on Macs was a great feature via Thunderbolt. The control other computer feature is really cool too.
that's pretty cool feature, I'd love that to work also on USB4 (Thuderbolt 3) on AMD system as well..
Very glad to see you back!
Cool tech video Gordon!
So good to see you Gordon!
I already had an easy sync cable but cool that this is becoming a standard feature in windows. also welcome back gordon!
Gordon looks healthier every day.. at least one good news this year
Great to see you Gordon!!!
First of all it is sooooooooo good having Gordon back. Really happy you are going well, back on track and enjoying what you are doing. I hope you can enjoy Coputex no matter where you are when you cover it💪.
Second,
for me this functionality could be even more useful when it comes to synch and manage my desktop and laptop. So I know I can have easy access to both of them from the same setup. Transfer things back and forth easily and even control my laptop from my desktop if I know I need to do some tweaks on my laptop before going on a trip or something.
Will that be possible? Will have to update both laptop and deskop ( if both are already intel based systems ) to do so?
To be honest that feels like a dream where your laptop it works as an extension of your desktop that you can you just bring with you when you need it, but when you are home it is there and you have easy access to it as long as is plugged to your dock or whatever.
No mention if one day they figure some easy setup so you laptop processing power can give a small boost to desktop or something similar.
Looking forward to see how all this develops!
I wonder if this is using some sort of internal networking like a localhost over pcie of some kind or if it's closer to the pcie to pcie protocol. Similarly you can do the same with an ethernet port which would use SMB on windows out of the box or set up an ftp server on one end and client on the other.
I had tried similar thing few months ago using a usb c cable when a friend wanted some files but neither of us had a pendrive atm .
And was surprised and frustrated to find out unlike android , direct file transfer between two windows laptops is not possible , atleast it isn't as simple.
All Hail the Nerd King! 👑🙏🏼🏆👍🏼
Glad you are doing well
Seems like a neat feature one could use in the future when upgrading from an old thunderbolt system to a newer one. Feels like when I upgrade from my old Samsung phone to a newer one.
Welcome back Gordon! Any chance this could come tk desktop via add in cards ?
This is an awesome feature, but:
1. Will the USB4 will support it
2. How about Linux support, what the status - on TB4 and surely on USB4 if it will support
3. Even for TB4 owners (intel based notebooks), firmware should be pushed for current 13th & 14th based platforms.
4. C'mon AMD & USB Consortium - bring this to AMD notebooks with USB4, via firmware updates.
It's a sneakernet!. It's been done for 40 years, first with serial ports and parallel ports and then with USB. You did need special cables, but it worked great.
I was thinking exactly the same thing.... why do they always go around in a big circle to end up in the same place. We just used a short network cable directly from nic to nic before usb.
Will buy this in the future for my Desktop+Laptop.
In a rush and forgot to transfer that 100GB folder?
This could save me.
Gordon is a real one.
The tech is cool and all. But really I am just happy to see Gordon
I remember doing something like this back in the day with Firewire and two XP machines.
Meh, given that thunderbolt is not a mandatory function of usb-c, it's not something you can count on. Same as any other cool usb-c trick, it may or may not be implemented in any specific device, and in most cases it won't because it costs money.
Really I'm going back to one port one specification, no "optionals" nonsense, this only allows deceptive marketing
hey, my usb thumb drive was burned when I plugged it in thunderbolt 4 port of MSI laptop. Why did it happen?
Used it to clone entire OS and data from old to new Mac… 40Gbits/sec connection is insane. Windows needs these features natively, Microsoft are more interested in putting ads and tracking into the start menu.
It's cool but still niche. Needs to be MS enabled and supported by AMD, Intel and in future ARM.
Yo dawg, I heard you like laptops. Just plug another laptop into your laptop so that you can laptop with your laptop ....
Will this work on a TBT3 like devices? It looks like just a software on top of the TBT networking feature (eg. 6-7th gen Intel CPU NUCs and workstations of that era?)
Doesn't Windows allow you to transfer files via the computers' ethernet port?
This seems pretty cool. I would want to see it on gaming handhelds. And on headless NAS
I love seeing this. There are some situations like setting up a new machine or sharing files with a friend where I wished this to be a thing for like ever.
Hope this feature isn't just limited to Windows though.
Gordon hope you are well!
I see Gordon, I click like
volume is low as hell but nonetheless, its good to see gordon!
Didn’t know that. Thanks!
Even since the first day I saw Windows/MacOS call my bluetooth module a "Bluetooth Network Adapter" I'd always wondered why this wasn't just built-into the OS... some protocol over USB, USB2/3, Thunderbolt-USB4.... it just makes sense. Now what if there are three PCs and you connect them all to a Thunderbolt dongle with 3 or 4 or 5 ports on it? Can you make a ThunderLan? :)
SyncThing does this (and much more) on any device through any kind network included dumb P2P ethernet connection.
This is nothing short of awesome!!
Hope you are doing well gordon.
Yeah. That's just EPIC. Especially if you only need TBShare on one device!
Welcome back Gordon!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Well, this brings back memories of FastLynx from the DOS era.. and also Firewire networking that few knew about or used...
Great coverage, this is exciting to see simple moves forward with technology and accessibility to hardware features buried in mountains of code.
Hopefully we see less red tape and more innovation in the future. We shouldn't need to care about their licensing, just make functional software as we see it working already.
There's good money to be made if they quit strong arming manufacturers, though I still prefer AMD for 'reasons' Intel has great exclusive IP.
Good Tipton the dock trick to get share on older laptops. Time will tell.
Steam needs to make this easy to use / integrated.
Wish this would work with just regular USB-C 10Gbps ports
Cool but I don't think I need it. More cool would be ultra low latency display link. Like using your Surface Pro as an external display including touch and pen, forwarding USB ports etc...
This is a great use for Thunderbolt. I can see this exploding in use and implementation in the next few years.
Or not. Apparently Thunderbolt Share = USB 4.0 in speed, though there may be other benefits other than speed.
nice to see gordon
Welcome back Gordon, hell yeah
there "was/is" a program called LapLink that works with a usb cable i think it goes way back to serial port days
It's useful only if the laptops are right next to each other. I think 10gbe or even 2.5gbe network is fast enough, but if the laptops are far apart, ie I need to hand over TB of files to a friend who is in next town, flash drive is better.
will Thunderbolt 5 be present in new laptops ? that might be a reason to buy an intel cpu laptop to use with new egpus.
Isn't TB4 still only on the latest intel latptops? Im guessing it will be practical once this moves into the main USB spec (usb 5 probably, since usb 4 was released recently)
@@Zd0g119 For sure having this on the usb spec would be great but this might be only reason to buy an intel cpu laptop. Some core ultra intel laptops will have TB 5 like razer announced it etc ...
i expect it will be in usb 4.3v2by3 x max ultra turba edition-g5-ai
¡Qué bien! Eso hace ya unos treinta años que lo tienen todos los Macs. Se llama target disk mode.
a mac to pc communication would be nice
My flash drive can force manufacturers separated by decades who hate each other to be compatible anyway. Can Thunderbolt Share do that?
can you please add captions? Im deaf and work in video productions and would appreciate your thoughts on this
How many Thunderbolt PCs are shareable?
Peer to peer so 2 as I understand it
I was surprised the other day that I tried to transfer files through a usb cable between 2 pcs, and it turned out to be impossible somehow. Glad it is now a thing, though it will be limited to thunderbolt compatible devices.
Kinda cool. I have current uses for this.
so even if my Msi Ge76 Raider has TB4, unless intel decide it not is confirm that my laptop will be compatible?
As I read it: if you have a Thunderbolt Share dock, or monitor, it would work. If you were moving data to/from a laptop with Thunderbolt Share, it will work. You basically have to have one device with it for it to work--but I have used it with an 8th gen Coffee Lake laptop and Thunderbolt 3 without issues.
We'll see when it ships though.
@@FakeGordonMahUng yeh on website it says:-
The application will be available for download beginning of June 2024.
hopefully it comes else will just have to buy a portable dock then
This is the most obvious feature for which we've had to wait decades
Drag n Drop with just plugged device is big security risk.. Is there any approval that need to happen on another pc or it works just like that?
Policy editor can disable it for corporate machines, but the saying is if a bad actor has access physical access to your laptop and the password, you're already in a world of pain at that point.
LapLink has risen again…without the null modem cable. 😂❤️
Heh...those transfers were painful...
Gordon ❤
I would rather recommend getting a 2.5Gbps switch, in combination with a decent self-build nas that supports 2.5Gbps.
The frameworks ethernet module already supports 2.5Gbps network speeds as wel.
Can't wait to get this feature on Linux Mint
No problem, just plugin an ethernet cable. It's been a long time since anyone had to worry about if it is a crossover cable or not too.
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so around 31 secs for 30.7GB
which is like 1GB/s or 8Gbps, USB3 speeds?
Thunderbolt Networking is 10Gbps so USB 3.2 10Gbps, however, most thumb drives for a sneaker net hit a real wall in write performance that would take far longer.
good luck hitting 1GB/s with a usb flashdrive. You would need a USB SSD which is much more expensive
@@marcogenovesi8570probably posssible with new ones like kingston datamax
1:22 money
they've rediscovered Ethernet cables and ftp!
I don't know why this hasn't always been an option with any computer for a long time. It's possible to use a crossover ethernet cable, but not everything has the jack.
Hope it’s not this easy for airport security to copy your data out of your PC.
Wow, its like an ethernet crossover cable. Except it doesn't work on computers that are more than a few years old.
To be fair, the easy interface is the sell here I think you'll agree.
So, don't care about the feature because it's not on AMD PCs, but a BIG thumbs up to you Gordon.
i beg to differ
USB drives will still be relevant for a long long time
not all pc or laptop has that technology and its not convenient
USB drive is more convenient, compact, easier to transport
and there is no point trying to control a laptop next to u with another laptop, unless all the input devices r failing. and thats a super super niche use case scenario
With wireless speeds these days using wifi 6e/7 I'm really not that excited by this. My 2018 laptop can transfer 2.5gb up and down wirelessly.
Can thunderbolt share archive things? Because that's what thumb drives do
Laplink Pro is back - but without the LPT or COM port
GOD! I can hopefully finally sell 10gbit pcie cards, and just connect my NAS and PC together with one cable, with faster speeds. So glad i chose systems I built with Thunderbolt 4 support.
So why does it work on these laptops when it's not supposed to be working on them??
Thurbal Share?
Get better Gordon.