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  • @LinusTechTips
    @LinusTechTips  Год назад +2236

    Correction: At 0:12 the text on screen says Mbps when it should say MBps. We're working on getting a fixed version uploaded! Thanks everyone who pointed that out.

    • @greatestytcommentator
      @greatestytcommentator Год назад +62

      I was just about to...
      😂

    • @Sausketo
      @Sausketo Год назад +36

      gasp, ive been shooken

    • @Raletia
      @Raletia Год назад +207

      MB/s is a bit clearer of a distinction from Mbps than "MBps"

    • @iPhone5244
      @iPhone5244 Год назад +8

      How come Cao didn’t catch that

    • @Makkiebobo730
      @Makkiebobo730 Год назад +1

      Cool

  • @seraaron
    @seraaron Год назад +4850

    I've always wondered why it's not been possible to "just plug in a USB from one PC to another" it seems like such an obvious use case

    • @alpha.wintermute
      @alpha.wintermute Год назад +229

      just use an ethernet cable and define the subnet as the same

    • @NonsensicalSpudz
      @NonsensicalSpudz Год назад +1139

      @@alpha.wintermute i think you miss the point

    • @Kori-ko
      @Kori-ko Год назад +378

      There were specialized cables in the past that did that but required software. A main reason you can't do it normally is that USB is based on serial, so the send/receive wire placement matters on the connector. To get around this the USB spec uses the shape of the connector to indicate which side is the host and which side is the peripheral. Plugging in a USB A connection on both ends to hosts would usually cause them both to send 5 volts down the line and try to transmit to each other's transmit wire.

    • @SaimesierP
      @SaimesierP Год назад +15

      I was wondering why I couldn't plug the steam deck in

    • @ErrorTH
      @ErrorTH Год назад +51

      you actually could to this with thunderbolt on apple for eons. and imacs could work as displays for quite some time too.

  • @tabkg5802
    @tabkg5802 Год назад +822

    Oh my God that thing is going to save so much time when switching from one machine to another. God bless engineers

    • @ligametis
      @ligametis Год назад +33

      Yeah it is great, but I will need to upgrade every computer at home and so far I have only plans to buy a new laptop this year. So probably will take at least 5 years to become totally standard.

    • @Bomkz
      @Bomkz 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@ligametis from what i gathered, the sauce is in the cable, and the software, more specifically the software.
      If I were to guess, you could just buy a PCIe thunderbolt card or two, and just plug it into whatever computer you need to transfer between, transfer stuff, and then take out the cards once not needed
      .

    • @HappyyGamePlay
      @HappyyGamePlay 9 месяцев назад

      @@Bomkzupstairs Wi-Fi is terrible so I can download downstairs on Ethernet with laptop and transfer to desktop upstairs, this'll be great as long as it's not too expensive

    • @LoganDark4357
      @LoganDark4357 8 месяцев назад

      @@Bomkz unfortunately there's no such thing as a PCIe thunderbolt card or two. If your motherboard supports a (one, singular) thunderbolt card then you might be able to install one (singular). If your motherboard is like 99% of motherboards you won't even have that option, and if you connect any old thunderbolt card (ASUS ThunderboltEX, MSI THUNDERBOLTM4, GIGABYTE GC-TITAN RIDGE, etc.) you're going to find out pretty quickly that the card requires a header that your motherboard does not have, and without that header it will simply not work. This header is called JTBT1 and if you don't have one, you don't have Thunderbolt and no expansion card can give it to you.

  • @ydfhlx5923
    @ydfhlx5923 Год назад +118

    "Once everyone makes the switch [to WiFi 7]"
    Me on WiFi 4:

    • @uis246
      @uis246 9 месяцев назад +1

      Wifi 4 is n for context. And wifi 7 is be.

    • @grantrichardson9443
      @grantrichardson9443 4 месяца назад

      Y'all have wifi?

  • @ThomasAlex
    @ThomasAlex Год назад +295

    CES 2024 has probably been the best CES showcase I think I have seen in years
    - Cool new real world Thunderbolt applications that can be enabled via software (wish it gets integrated into USB4)
    - Amazing new laptops that are finally on par and more creative than Macs (dual screen, Zephryus G14, etc)
    - Bleeding edge display tech with super bright displays, gen 3 QD-OLED and microLED slowly making its way into the market with transparent and bezel less displays)
    I'm so excited for the tech that will be coming out this year. We finally seem to be ramping up in competition in pretty much all segments in tech yet again - similar to how CPUs massively improved after Ryzen and Apple Silicon

    • @MrMediator24
      @MrMediator24 Год назад +6

      It's already in USB4 (the TB4 part of it). PCIe always has been point-to-point so it's just matter of drivers and software

    • @LtdJorge
      @LtdJorge Год назад +18

      @@MrMediator24The "problem" with USB 4 is that it doesn’t require anything from TB4 to be implemented, everything is optional.

    • @ThomasAlex
      @ThomasAlex Год назад +3

      @@MrMediator24 Yeah USB4 is more of name that doesn't really mean anything. Everything in USB4 is optional. And in my original comment I meant, that this new protocol would be requirement is the next version of USB, like USB5.

    • @werpu12
      @werpu12 Год назад

      @@LtdJorge Thunderbolt always has been Intel only, some stuff goes back into USB but not all of it, Intel makes sure of that that no one except Intel and Apple (who also have a stake in it) can implement that stuff.

    • @LtdJorge
      @LtdJorge Год назад +1

      @@werpu12 not anymore. Intel gave the TB4 (or TB3, can't remember now) spec to USB IF so that they implemented it in USB4.

  • @djksfhakhaks
    @djksfhakhaks Год назад +175

    I dont always like vertical omnidirectiinal antennas, but when I do, they should look like they will attach to my face and make an alien explode out of my stomach.

  • @kelmanl4
    @kelmanl4 Год назад +960

    Honestly gonna be game changing for portable storage and gaming on the go!

    • @WarlordEnthusiast
      @WarlordEnthusiast Год назад +16

      Not really sure how it would affect gaming on the go, it isn't wireless

    • @supersuede91
      @supersuede91 Год назад +22

      Would this be good for PCVR - instead of shitty encode streaming to headset you just use this Thunderbolt Share?

    • @kelmanl4
      @kelmanl4 Год назад +2

      @@WarlordEnthusiast Portable storage for games due to space limitations on some devices allowing you to play games straight from the outside SSD/Nvme device onto the laptop or supporting portable console that doesn't have expandable storage due to the insane speed, there would be no noticeable issues.

    • @kelmanl4
      @kelmanl4 Год назад +1

      @@supersuede91 True, there are million uses.

    • @Ivan-fy3pr
      @Ivan-fy3pr Год назад

      ​​@@supersuede911 meter cable limitation REALLY gimps it. If they can get around that somehow it would be brilliant. Wi-Fi 7 sounds really exciting, though.

  • @4RILDIGITAL
    @4RILDIGITAL Год назад +82

    Incredible details on the Thunderbolt capabilities and the advancements in WiFi 7 technology. The potential of having an essentially latency-free gaming experience is mind-blowing.

  • @carlangasa4622
    @carlangasa4622 Год назад +167

    This is something that has always blown my mind, how we can't get input onto a laptop screen from another source, like in an ideal world this would be a basic feature

    • @alexatkin
      @alexatkin Год назад +12

      Dell even had a few AIO PC models that had both HDMI out AND HDMI in. It makes total sense as then you can even plug consoles in too.
      Its kinda sad as in the early days of video on PCs I believe capture cards in preview mode would DMA the image directly into the video buffer. It took so much CPU to process video, you didn't want the preview using all the CPU. This mean't you had a very low latency preview. Now you might sometimes get a low enough latency in OBS but its not guaranteed as you need a high-end PCIe capture card to have a hope of it being fast enough.

    • @ggsap
      @ggsap Год назад

      Wdym? Like RDP?

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 Год назад +1

      Even Apple had display inputs on pre-5K iMacs.

    • @charltonrodda
      @charltonrodda Год назад

      ​@@alexatkinIf it's anything like the Alienware Alpha, it's an HDMI passthrough port, not an HDMI capture card or anything like that. Source: I excitedly bought a used Alienware Alpha 5 or so years ago under the same misconception.

  • @aDifferentJT
    @aDifferentJT Год назад +186

    I’d love to see a comparison between this new Thunderbolt Share and old school Thunderbolt Bridge

    • @W1ldTangent
      @W1ldTangent Год назад

      It's essentially the same thing.

  • @KanawhaCountyWX
    @KanawhaCountyWX Год назад +1103

    It's like everyone forgot about what fire wire was capable of LOL
    Edit: Holy f**k 1K likes!

    • @FishBoyBlue
      @FishBoyBlue Год назад +83

      was just thinking the same thing. But this seems far better!

    • @pair_of_fins
      @pair_of_fins Год назад +218

      I dont think most people even remember fire wire in general

    • @The-Caged-King
      @The-Caged-King Год назад +140

      Everyone except dankpods

    • @tealthefirst
      @tealthefirst Год назад +4

      Nah fr

    • @xelaander8429
      @xelaander8429 Год назад +99

      I think if you're under 25 and didn't work in networking or video production you probably never used firewire

  • @YouTubestopsharingmyrealname
    @YouTubestopsharingmyrealname 9 месяцев назад +4

    Dennis doing the ads is the best thing to ever happen to LTT

  • @Datagram
    @Datagram Год назад +18

    Hades has an in-game timer that shows centiseconds, so even without a high-speed camera you could have roughly verified whether the latency is under a frame by just taking some photos of both timers side-by-side.

  • @devsnek
    @devsnek Год назад +477

    Thunderbolt has supported autoconf point to point ("bridge") networking for a long time. Apple had it first but windows and even linux have supported it for a while too.

    • @ErikN1
      @ErikN1 Год назад +38

      Came here looking for this comment. It’s been possible for years.

    • @fjjwfp7819
      @fjjwfp7819 Год назад +86

      Except the user experience of thunderbolt networking absolutely sucks on Windows and Microsoft has done nothing about it. Plug 2 computers in together and nothing happens, you'll need to manually change your network and file sharing options before this will work, and only in a hacky workaround way.

    • @TheColin21
      @TheColin21 Год назад

      @@fjjwfp7819 not in my experience. Tried this just to see what would happen with my TB4 PC and my TB4 laptop. Plugged them together, a new shortcut appeared on each desktop showing the existing SMB shares of the other device. If there are network shares already setup theres nothing more to do for sharing files. I think it only did like 2-3 Gbps from one NVMe to another but I'd have to retest that. It's been a while and I'm not sure about the speeds.

    • @getoffmeluckycharms
      @getoffmeluckycharms Год назад +33

      Apple even has target disk mode using thunderbolt that turns the whole device into a thunderbolt drive and has since the beginning, they even had a FireWire target disk mode. This isn’t anything new, Apple mastered this years ago. It’s only a big deal because M$ is showing it off on Windows.

    • @alexatkin
      @alexatkin Год назад +48

      @@getoffmeluckycharms The trouble with Apple is they also like to randomly remove features. For example you used to be able to use an old AIO Mac as a display and they just decided to completely remove it from the OS.

  • @ghossamer
    @ghossamer Год назад +4

    I think what everyone missed was framebuffer to framebuffer. Two devices talking directly over the bus. This is closer to omnipath or infiniband over thunderbolt

  • @SiimKuusik
    @SiimKuusik Год назад +101

    Linus is just a legend! Even on a show floor, even in those conditions with that amount of time and even with a boring topic like WiFi he still manages to make a 14 minute video THIS exciting.
    I tip my hat to you sir 🎩

    • @msiig6476
      @msiig6476 Год назад

      Yep, he can always fill you, with useless info.
      This is a terrible vid, went the wrong way totaly.

    • @Mavis847
      @Mavis847 Год назад

      ​@@msiig6476Go touch some grass buddy

    • @perrywaaz3660
      @perrywaaz3660 Год назад +4

      The duality of man

  • @fireflyslight8155
    @fireflyslight8155 Год назад +36

    I’ve never watched a sponsor segment with so much interest. Love the Wicked Cushions partnership and Dennis did a great job on the sponsor read.

  • @stevethepocket
    @stevethepocket Год назад +8

    Finally, we got something useful out of USB-C using the same plug style for both ends.

  • @Leo9ine
    @Leo9ine Год назад +343

    It's crazy when you think about it. Your PC likely has (1) 1 gigabit port, and (6) 10 to 40 gigabit ports.
    Which one do we use for data transfer... and which one do we use to plug in keyboards?

    • @bumb189
      @bumb189 Год назад +9

      call me a noob, but on some cases and/or motherboards, arent they colour coded? i cant give an example cuz i dont know any example on the top of my head

    • @MrCalijor
      @MrCalijor Год назад

      USB3 is blue while USB2 is black typically but by USB3 I mean USB 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, etc... and that's only USB type A ports, USB type C, as far as I know, has no established color-coding convention. ​@@bumb189

    • @louisvaught2495
      @louisvaught2495 Год назад +43

      Not really. The reason is max length of cable.

    • @Manhunternew
      @Manhunternew Год назад +4

      It's not the same

    • @Mallchad
      @Mallchad Год назад +13

      USB is a pretty bad carrier for many reasons. still. issues with bus traffic and consistency is one because it can't compete with dedicated PCIe buses vs chipset sharing. it's possible now because they just gave (USB4 PCIe capabilities. aka thunderbolt

  • @moldytexas
    @moldytexas Год назад +14

    The electrical engineer in me was rejoicing the later half of this video

  • @lufycz.
    @lufycz. Год назад +56

    So Mbps or MBps?

    • @TemplePate01
      @TemplePate01 Год назад +5

      Says Ethernet on the screen so I'm gonna assume Mbps. Really with the networking world would get over their old standard and move to MBps

    • @katyrebel18
      @katyrebel18 Год назад +1

      First one, bits always lowercase if we were talking Bauds thatd be a different story 😊

    • @TheKingOfSpain
      @TheKingOfSpain Год назад +2

      The Labs team must have written this script 😂

    • @General_M
      @General_M Год назад +9

      He said Megabytes, but the graphic was Megabit. Clearly the quality and accuracy push didn’t last for long.

    • @immatys
      @immatys Год назад +4

      you can see that the speed in the graph is around 6400Mbps. that would equal 800MBps, so I assume Linus is right and the text is wrong

  • @TheRealDrae
    @TheRealDrae Год назад +2

    Ugh, again, making Thunderbolt all magic and special as if ordinary USB 3 type-C couldn't do that.

  • @mactipiak
    @mactipiak Год назад +30

    It’s crazy to think that it took time, but after 25 years of USB we’re finally there haha 😆

    • @whydoesythaveanatsystem
      @whydoesythaveanatsystem Год назад +1

      took the long enough, now we just need this feature on the steam deck

    • @mikes989
      @mikes989 Год назад

      I´ve saw this yeeeeears ago, at least the file transfer part. and before USB, through parallel, and serial, PC2PC and even LANs and WANs by means of parallel/serial

    • @mikes989
      @mikes989 Год назад

      @@lucasrem yes, but here we are talking about doing it with data links that were not intended for that in principle.

  • @haves_
    @haves_ Год назад +52

    Heck yeah, USB A to USB A PC Transfer, that was ancient concept.
    With thunderbolt essentially PCIe, the problem becomes who or how to write the driver, because eventually it will all be used by the OS.

    • @larsradtke4097
      @larsradtke4097 Год назад

      FireWire you mean…

    • @haves_
      @haves_ Год назад

      @@larsradtke4097 FireWire is a patented take, you won't see it outside of quite expensive devices. USB A to USB A was a thing.

    • @xDownSetx
      @xDownSetx Год назад

      My brother had a motherboard that did this with USB 1.1. It's how my AMD K6-2 rig got internet until we finally shelled out for a router.

  • @MikeDawson1
    @MikeDawson1 Год назад +18

    linus says "800 megabytes per second" but the caption says "800 megabits per second" - huge difference

    • @RiverBeNile
      @RiverBeNile Год назад +2

      He also said you can install the new COD in 5 minutes. That stat translates to 800mb/s not 800mbits.
      So, confusing all around.

    • @linustechtipsdrafts1489
      @linustechtipsdrafts1489 Год назад +3

      We'll be replacing the video with the lower case be on screen changed to an upper case B.

    • @123moe
      @123moe Год назад

      Task Manager was showing a 10Gbps link, accounting for overhead etc 800 megabytes/s sounds right.

    • @Megaranator
      @Megaranator Год назад

      @@RiverBeNile isn't b a bit and B a byte?

    • @ErikN1
      @ErikN1 Год назад

      @@MegaranatorIt very much is

  • @MichalxD5
    @MichalxD5 Год назад +30

    There is mistake in 0:14, there should be 6400 Mbps or +- 800 MB/s, like Linus said. On graph it's little bit under 10 Gbps

    • @totallyuneekname
      @totallyuneekname Год назад +8

      800Mbps is not a particularly impressive speed for two computers attached by a 1 meter cable 😂

    • @TheChemisch
      @TheChemisch Год назад +5

      Yeah the caption is wrong. noob editor mistake. 800MB/s is 6.4gb/s which makes sense given the scale of the graph.

  • @cromulence
    @cromulence Год назад +11

    LMAO, the thunderbolt transfer software looks exactly like some software that came with a USB 2.0 transfer cable years ago for a Samsung Ultra Mobile PC - it had two USB-A connectors and appeared as an autorun CD on each PC. You'd load the software, get an interface that looked basically identical, and could transfer software between the connected PCs without installing any drivers.

  • @u1f98a
    @u1f98a Год назад +14

    This is extremely cool! Macs have had the file transferring thing for years, but the ability to just, use the KVM of another PC is SO COOL

  • @SharkCX
    @SharkCX Год назад +10

    I honestly can't wait for WiFi 7, wireless VR is a game changer for me

  • @motzibcek
    @motzibcek Год назад +1

    “There’s too many blind corners here - especially dangerous considering that I am trying to go really fast around these blind corners”

  • @BiswajitDas-wp9gz
    @BiswajitDas-wp9gz Год назад +42

    It's 2min and somebody already submitted sponsor segment damn u r real hero who ever doing it

  • @darrianweathington1923
    @darrianweathington1923 11 месяцев назад +1

    Okay but how fast can I transfer my 10 yottabytes of "homework" I need to know... For a friend's reasons 🤔

  • @Cleisthenes607
    @Cleisthenes607 Год назад +4

    This is the most exciting thing I've seen at CES.

  • @Courtj3st3r33
    @Courtj3st3r33 Год назад +1

    You guys really missed an opportunity to make a steamed cauliflower ear joke in that ad read.

  • @f1ggyc
    @f1ggyc Год назад +28

    Intel's "Thunderbolt Share" is (as far as I can tell) actually just a new marketing name and a slick software suite for "xDomain" which is a technology that's been part of Thunderbolt since TB3, and I think is also part of USB4?. In fact I've used it myself to download games from one nearby laptop to another in an environment with bad Wi-Fi signal - no additional drivers required, just plug the cable in and it creates a point-to-point "virtual ethernet" network connection in Windows which can be used automatically by for example Steam library sharing. The screen sharing thing might be new though?

    • @rougenaxela
      @rougenaxela Год назад +9

      Looks like that is probably what this is. Regarding the screen sharing, the "xdomain" stuff can be configured to DMA ring buffers between the two sides... and who says those DMA buffers can't be GPU framebuffers if the GPU drivers were to allow it. My question would be whether there's going to be a *standard* defined specifically for framebuffer sharing over xdomain, or if this is just going to be some proprietary Intel implementation that is briefly supported before eventually fading into obscurity.

    • @mixarstudios
      @mixarstudios Год назад

      yes, looks like it is just a rebranding / renaming of the feature - not of a software suite. When you plug TB3 laptops toegether it just works like that, does not need extra sofware.

    • @marshallb5210
      @marshallb5210 Год назад

      Steam library sharing will work, but actually dragging files across without a file server doesn't.

  • @inverse_of_zero
    @inverse_of_zero Год назад

    First time (since I first started watching close to a decade ago) checking out the LTT sponsor - well done!

  • @sbrader97
    @sbrader97 Год назад +17

    Wicked cushions are good they seem to be holding up better than the OEM ones for me on Bose QC 35 II the stitches was failing ripping apart so I had to replace them like once a year and I found the amazon Chinese ones lasted the same til I found these wicked ones which said they are upgraded durability as they are stitched and glued together and so far so good on durability

    • @_Zaid
      @_Zaid Год назад +3

      I bought a set to replace my worn out Beyerdynamic cushions from one of the older LTT ads and they were way better than I expected. The cooling gel really works!

    • @WyattOShea
      @WyattOShea Год назад +2

      They're certainly good on my Maxwell that I've been using them on for months now :).

  • @jarstal
    @jarstal Год назад

    This reminds me of when I was in high school we used to have a program on our high schools computers that allowed us to transfer files from computer to computer via a Serial cable

  • @__aceofspades
    @__aceofspades Год назад +6

    Really impressed with that Thunderbolt 4 software demo Intel cooked up. I would absolutely use that on a daily basis.

  • @JimmyZeng
    @JimmyZeng Год назад +1

    Thunderbolt had that for years, as somebody already pointed out, but I'm waiting for a thing like a zero-ethernet USB cable like the zero-modem serial cable back in the days,
    I know something similar to this exists, but I believe they actually uses USB ethernet adapters in the middle, and not able to fully utilize full bandwidth of USB.

  • @martins7194
    @martins7194 Год назад +6

    That direct cable thing is awesome. Bring it on 👍
    With regards to that spider from hell router monstrosity... Sorry, but where the hell am I going to hide that? I really hope there will be some sensible designs.
    Also, hoping these routers will have decent connections on the wired side. And then I dont mean just 2.5Gb, but 5 or even 10Gb ports.

    • @dannycostello
      @dannycostello Год назад +1

      Ubiquiti have already launched a WiFi 7 AP so they're out there

  • @JordanJones16
    @JordanJones16 Год назад +1

    That's what i'm talking about. This is even better than your television coverage. Third sentence where I say I want to buy a tv

  • @richardwiech
    @richardwiech Год назад +3

    So freaking excited! One of many reasons I love thunderbolt, more thunderbolt innovations please!

  • @fusionmotiontm
    @fusionmotiontm Год назад

    i remember this cable from a video you made a couple years back, but it was blurred and i was always curious to see what it was. glad to finally find out

  • @Cantimule
    @Cantimule Год назад +8

    This would be incredible if it could work over a longer cable. Can't think of a situation where I'd want to stream a game to a device 2 feet away.

    • @ohnoitsalobo
      @ohnoitsalobo Год назад +2

      He mentioned 'passive' cable. So if you get a powered Thunderbolt cable, it can amplify the signal to reach a longer distance.
      Alternatively, you'd want something like this to go over fiber optic transceivers for serious distance.

    • @Tenkin42
      @Tenkin42 Год назад

      On my desk I have a Mac to do light stuff and a windows to game/work, it takes me like 10sec to switch computers
      If I can just connect both with a thunderbolt cable and make the switch seamlessly, I’m all in

  • @FrietjeOorlog
    @FrietjeOorlog Год назад

    I used to do file transfers like this 30 years ago with parallel port cables.

  • @lywellyn0
    @lywellyn0 Год назад +5

    The thunderbolt thing feels a lot like FireWire. All the cool stuff Apple did with it I wish had been available everywhere else. Plugging a Mac into another Mac with FireWire and target disk mode was awesome. Glad to see a lot of similar features in Thunderbolt. Looking forward to using it.

  • @harryhiggins8533
    @harryhiggins8533 Год назад

    Dennis is genuinely the sponsor spot goat. Nice advertising guys!

  • @Fokkusu
    @Fokkusu Год назад +29

    I would kill to have this for PCVR even if it means to have to use a cable

    • @alexatkin
      @alexatkin Год назад +2

      There's already DisplayPort Alt mode like PSVR2 uses, that carries DP directly, its just no PC VR headset manufacturer bothered to use it due to only RTX 2000 series having the USB-C ports hardwired for it. NVIDIA then ditched it on the desktop cards to save a few cents, though I think its still implemented on laptops.

    • @broklond
      @broklond Год назад

      @@theftking Unless you bolt the PC on your back, with a huge enough battery to power it :D

    • @broklond
      @broklond Год назад +3

      @@alexatkin AMD cards still have USB-C connection!

    • @Wyd4
      @Wyd4 Год назад +5

      He did say passive cable. May be active cables coming that support longer lengths

    • @kuromiLayfe
      @kuromiLayfe Год назад

      @@theftkingmax cable length is 1 meter but who says you can’t add a signal repeater and chain multiple

  • @SailioNation
    @SailioNation Год назад +2

    Been using 4096 QAM for the ISP I work for. Technically can go up to 8192 QAM on our OFDM channels with OFDMA on our upstream. Even going to mid splits and sub splits. I love when subjects like this come up

    • @mattegeniet
      @mattegeniet 8 месяцев назад

      Is that over air performance though, or over cable? But yeah that 16 TRX MIMO is not too impressive either compared to say mMIMO 5G networks :D

  • @bald_man01
    @bald_man01 Год назад +3

    7:17 did it just move.

  • @Megalomon
    @Megalomon Год назад +1

    So while being fancy und speedy, wifi7 is only relevant to people are not described as average user with average income.

  • @clydefrosch
    @clydefrosch Год назад +3

    as an expert, i'd really like to know why exactly routers are so fucking expensive

  • @cfscarloscfs5567
    @cfscarloscfs5567 Год назад +1

    2:26 "you are at a lan and your buddy need to grab a game install" o.O

  • @ViralSpew
    @ViralSpew Год назад +3

    This is most important to people who use pcvr. Hope it’s implemented there.

  • @tramcrazy
    @tramcrazy Год назад +2

    All of this is genuinely just so cool, it makes me really excited. I actually kinda want a 16x16 Wifi 7 AP. I know it would be ridiculous but it’d be kinda amazing.

  • @simpson6700
    @simpson6700 Год назад +6

    Is it MB/s or Mbps? Bytes or bits? Linus says one thing, the subtitles the other thing.

    • @JayRabxx
      @JayRabxx Год назад +2

      Right. 800 MBps is impressive, 800 Mbps is much less impressive

  • @MatthewLiut
    @MatthewLiut Год назад

    "I don't have a slow mo camera in my pocket"
    Umm yeah you do, your phone. 😭

  • @Deeppurp
    @Deeppurp Год назад +4

    Regarding Thunderbolt Share: But Leenous, you've been able to do this (this is considering the length of the cable) over ethernet since... well at least since 2012 when it was my first experience connecting 2 computers via ethernet and setting the nic's to the same IP subnet.

    • @alexatkin
      @alexatkin Год назад +1

      He isn't talking about "being able to link two computers together", he's talking about being able to link them together at up to 40GBit without the overhead of actual network interfaces.

    • @Deeppurp
      @Deeppurp Год назад

      @@alexatkin but you still have the overhead somewhere. You don't think there's any with thunderbolt?

  • @KaceyGreen
    @KaceyGreen Год назад

    I did the fileshare part of this when I setup my new Mac from the old one 40 gigabit vs 10

  • @RTBGG
    @RTBGG Год назад +43

    Now I finally know what Intel does instead of making competitive processors. lol

  • @MsQueenOfDance
    @MsQueenOfDance Год назад

    I feel like the worst time for a relentless ad campaign for sweaty headsets is in the middle of winter

  • @AndyHerbert254
    @AndyHerbert254 Год назад +12

    20+ years and finally they've added intra computer communication... Oh wait this is pretty much just NAT+IP routing over thunderbolt

    • @NotTheStinkyCheese
      @NotTheStinkyCheese Год назад +2

      remember when we had local serial connection using our serial ports ? (null-modems I think?)
      The only reason we're getting this variant is because Intel decided to keep the info to itself instead of sharing it.
      It's not a super secret invention or a high tech innovation.
      The hardware could do it all along.
      It is pure greed that stopped it from being shared and we need to install 'special software' to use it, because it isn't available at the driver/OS level.

  • @ShezzerNator175
    @ShezzerNator175 Год назад

    So, cable go Brrrrrrr and Wifi 7 go Brrrr better than before! 😅 Right got it!

  • @JiajuChen
    @JiajuChen Год назад +9

    0:12 The text is wrong, it’s supposed to be 800 MBps, fix it Linus!

    • @wayward79
      @wayward79 Год назад

      I came here to say the same thing 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @haiho86
    @haiho86 Год назад

    10 minutes into the lecture, I realized I should have read ahead before class 🤣

  • @leafan101
    @leafan101 Год назад +7

    Finally, something truly exciting, realistic, and working from CES.

  • @jimbodee4043
    @jimbodee4043 Год назад

    Now this is the most interesting development in cables for ages.😮

  • @AluminumHaste
    @AluminumHaste Год назад +3

    @05:26, if you slow down the playback to 0.25x, there's white flash on the handheld, and a lag to when it shows on the laptop, but it's super short and amazing.
    EDIT: Also, your Samsung Note 9 can record at 240fps. That's fast enough slow mo to see the latency on this setup. Maybe you weren't allowed to record it.

  • @Tense
    @Tense Год назад

    "I obviously haven't measured it with a high speed camera yet... I don't have one in my pocket." Could have totally brought one in my pocket. 2024.

  • @brettmaddan3255
    @brettmaddan3255 Год назад +6

    This would be sick for VR, imagine having a belt mounted vr compute system, attached to a vr display without the need to wear the compute on your face!

  • @Talwyn_Wize
    @Talwyn_Wize Год назад

    ... I'm going to remember those Wicked Cushions ads for far too long. 😆

  • @Makkiebobo730
    @Makkiebobo730 Год назад +3

    Intel 🐐

  • @ItsMeLuke69
    @ItsMeLuke69 Год назад

    That into got me fucked up. I'm on the floor and I can't get up

  • @SamePaul
    @SamePaul Год назад +3

    1:47 Linus takes bad habit of saying nonsense. TBT5 (same as USB4 v2) does NOT have 4 lanes, but still only 2 lanes, just working at doubled frequency and running at different encoding PAM3 (as opposed to PAM2 used on previous generation). You should understand, that Type-C spec does NOT have spare signals for adding lanes, therefore it is physically impossible.

  • @JJFX-
    @JJFX- Год назад

    It's funny, nearly a decade ago I got a USB wormhole cable that allowed seemless connections between nearly any two devices without installing anything (drivers were automatically installed). Win-Win, Win-Mac and even Win to Android. This enabled mouse/keyboard control across both devices, copy/paste or drag/drop file transfer and even sharing of some other peripherals. Data rates were slow but it worked surprisingly well. Most people I showed couldn't believe it. There are obvious security concerns and they didn't seem to have widespread use but I haven't heard much about it in recent years. Modern versions of this with USB4/TB4 speeds would be amazing.

  • @samiraperi467
    @samiraperi467 Год назад +6

    0:12 Wrong unit.

    • @brozus1515
      @brozus1515 Год назад

      Came here to say this, I didn't look at the graph at first and I thought he was legitimately celebrating sub 1 gigabit speeds 😂

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 Год назад

      @@brozus1515 Well...800 megabytes isnt fast either. Especially if you can have 10 gigabit ethernet in some places.

    • @brozus1515
      @brozus1515 Год назад

      @@alexturnbackthearmy1907 yeah that's what I was saying

  • @toromac9786
    @toromac9786 Год назад

    Here's me remembering playing head to head over a parallel cable 😅

  • @bootchoo96
    @bootchoo96 Год назад +3

    800 MB/s or 800Mbps? Big difference

  • @BossOGx
    @BossOGx Год назад

    need this native in smart TVs so I can stream 4090 to my livingroom

  • @kienanvella
    @kienanvella Год назад +3

    This has been possible under linux for a while now, as an extension of basically the pcie non transparent bridging featureset

    • @BinaryGrind
      @BinaryGrind Год назад +1

      You can do it in Windows and Macs too. Been a thing since like 2011. No idea how this is new.

  • @TheDutchMagicTeacher
    @TheDutchMagicTeacher Год назад

    This is so cool! The sponsor spot i mean, of course. You knocked it out of the park again dennis!

  • @leeksoup3199
    @leeksoup3199 Год назад +2

    this looks super cool, file transfers between computers over thunderbolt would be so much better for temporary situations instead of going through the annoying tedium of setting up network shares

  • @dothgaerwenoakblossom15
    @dothgaerwenoakblossom15 Год назад +1

    6:50 yeah I have 50Mbps down in Germany. No need for WiFi 7 😢

  • @Jasta315
    @Jasta315 Год назад +1

    0:20 what is that sound? Is someone hitting a bong? 😂😂

  • @stratonarrow
    @stratonarrow Год назад

    I’ll never forget the first time I did a large file transfer between two Macs with an original thunderbolt cable. One of the many reasons I’ve daily driven macOS for years and years.

  • @digitalkitsune564
    @digitalkitsune564 9 месяцев назад

    A even better example of when the thunderbolt connection would be useful is for road trips or camping where you don't have a WiFi network and don't want to set up a hotspot that will be slower than this.

  • @TheSXEsammich
    @TheSXEsammich Год назад

    As a daily driver of a egpu I love seeing new tec for thunderbolt come out

  • @haikaido
    @haikaido Год назад +1

    Wow this is awesome! Actually something to be excited about.

  • @CreativeMindsAudio
    @CreativeMindsAudio Год назад

    Nice! FireWire had this data transfer. This is really amazing!

  • @kasperski-fr
    @kasperski-fr Год назад

    It's what I've been searching for, for months now since my laptop hdmi port died.

  • @yscrx8843
    @yscrx8843 Год назад

    That router triggers my arachnophobia HARD lol

  • @DmanLucky_98
    @DmanLucky_98 Год назад +1

    Reminds me of when Nintendo Game share feature from the 1980s of just transferring game data between Gameboys and console with a single wired connection...

  • @robinbegley1077
    @robinbegley1077 Год назад

    A cable/software package that lets you use another computer as a display? About time.

  • @timothyburke2134
    @timothyburke2134 Год назад

    @0:41 What kind of lawless, godless hellscape is this lol. Looks super cool

  • @johndextersantos9541
    @johndextersantos9541 Год назад

    Back in the day i use the serial port to make direct ad-hoc connection between two computers to transfer files and play two player games between two computers with my brother.

  • @CriticallyWild
    @CriticallyWild Год назад

    For an old render pipeline I used at my home office I used TB3 to do data moves at 10Gbps in Windows through the networking protocol in the cable. Great performance without a prohibitively expensive network upgrade.

  • @Wyd4
    @Wyd4 Год назад

    Haha was getting flashbacks from using crossover cables when i was a kid at the start.

  • @Cr3ePiO
    @Cr3ePiO Год назад

    it's surprising how difficult it is to connect two computers together. We mostly just rely on flash drives to transfer data between local pcs...

  • @knocknock10
    @knocknock10 Год назад

    Pretty cool stuff...however with the maximum cable lengths of TB4 I can't see this replacing network streaming in most cases