Today I learned it was not my board it was my fins. I am goofy kook compared to these folks. Now I gotta wait until this quarantine to try out my new futures.
+1 !!!! Also recoomend you to check out some of Clayton videos on youtube hes really good and then you are set for the next swell hahaha be safe bro !!
DOLCE g Lol sorry for the late reply but I had these black fins that came with my board from the shop but didn’t give two fs about the fins. I was always tripping why my board couldn’t hold rail when I would do medium speed cutbacks. Gonna get R4 legacies lets see how it goes. Maybe its me but Im like 60% sure my fins are built for reef breaks. I surf a beach break similar to trestles so you surf much slower speeds.
This was super interesting & informative, not just about the 2 Pyzel boards, but info on things to look for & info from fins to intricacies of board shapes. I was enthralled every moment of this. Thank you both!
That was fun to watch. Would be great if you guys do more of these. 🤙🏽 Love the shaping insight also, like the story with the tape layers on the rails😂
I like the shaper and rider discussion. Thank you John John and Pyzel. I am learning the Art of Shaping . My first mentor and shaper for my Boards was Rick Nohea in Santa Cruz. Good work. J. Insco Jr San Francisco CA 1:11 pm 4/9/2020 at the house.
This was great, thanks. Informative, funny and great to see what a strong relationship you guys seem to have, way beyond surfer/shaper. Keep posting these!
I love my shadow! It took me a sec to get used to that little hip but once I adjusted to when the little release happens it was super fun. Knifey rails, narrow outline for a daily driver (but great hidden foam under the chest), and wide point pretty centered. Solid blade.
@@jamesschaefer9975 Im about 150 lbs and I surf mostly not-too powerful beach breaks. The board hi-perf grovels I'd say at about a 7.5/10, but when we get swell or I go to a better, more powerful reef break or beachie It goes really well especially in the pocket (good for top to bottom surfing in good waves).
It's not just the flex of the timber stringer that changes over time with use, PU foam cells break down and lose memory with every flex, the extreme example of this is that PU foam they use in vases for flowers that you can crush, on a lesser scale this is what happens with PU surfboard foam as the foal flexes the cells crush and dont return to their previous shape. PE resin also never stops curing so gets more brittle with age, these three combinations mean the feel and flex of a PU/PE board changes over time. EPS foam on the other hand has very good memory it bounces back to shape as does Epoxy resin, Epoxy resin also when cured thats it, it does change, so an EPS/Epoxy surfboard as long as water tight changes very little with age. This is the reason why a PU/PE board when new feels lively but over time can lose this feel, while EPS/Epoxy boards tend to keep that lively feel. But yeah there are other pros and cons to both constructions from a surfing feel perspective.
You guys are spot on. I’ve tried to take a few of my more higher volume Texas boards into bigger surf just for the increased paddling, but in good waves it feels like the board is skating on top of the water. The rails will not sink into the waves, the speed is too fast, you can’t turn at all, it’s basically out of control. The minute I switch to a smaller thinner board with less volume, I get control of the board and the drops are so much easier to make because I’m not flying down the face like a cork, but more buried into the wave. It slows the speed down and you actually gain way more control of the board.
I usually surf a 5’10 shortboard (performance). Then my friend told me to use his 6’1” Ghost. So easy to get in the waves. Made me more confident on getting in to bigger waves. What I noticed from the board is, yes it’s wide point is a little further up front. But I also notice it’s thicker at the tail area. Maybe that’s the formula. 🤔. Btw I bought this board from my friend ASAP. Now I want a Shadow XL 5’10 stock dimensions. Just wished we can rent boards before we buy. AWAYCO is a hit or miss.
Great listen. Love the comparison of fins to airplane wings. I have been trying to convince a friend that bigger waves = smaller fins with no success. If I can't convince him with you guys and that analogy then he's a lost cause. Cool to listen in depth about the pro surfer - shaper relationship, especially for those who live far away from a good shaper.
I can't wait to get a Ghost, that thing looks like it goes to town in 3 foot and above. I love how it was shapped as a bigger board and then squashed at the top. Genius! K - Next Question!
Yooo Brian King Turtle is my boy!!! When he came to NY I used to bring him around and show him all the spots! He’s a funny dude I miss that guy! The winters here were brutal and he was like you guys are fucked up and this cold shit lol...we gave him a suit one day he put it on backwards had the back zip in the front we were laughing our balls off! King is the Man! He was living here and surfing with me and a few other bone heads and 911 happened and it got real sketch and heavy here...that was the last time I saw King!!!... I’m glad he is well...Tell Em King Flip Runs NY!!! Make the Movie King make it about the Flip🏄♂️🌎☠️ the Real underground ...not the shit the worlds been fed...that’s why the scene is upside down it was never told right
❤ firstly, i like the cat cameo :) secondly, great discussion on those boards and designs, and if i was going to select pyzels, it would be those two in my 'quiv'. first board, a shadow. and if only choosing one board, a shadow. and if only choosing one board in a couple different sizes, a shadow. for sure a 6'6" shadow, and maybe like a 6'2". its interesting to me to learn that the ghost is more 'befitting' for larger than head high waves, and shape, as i would have though the shadow perfect for anything with steep, hollow, fast, or powerful, large, characteristics. although, shape that shadow at 6'6", 6'8' or larger, and i would think it would charge anything. perhaps im merely attracted to the outline, pulled in nose, beautiful exquisite nose rocker (that thing would be ideal for late drops straight into the tube) and still yet maneuverable, responsive, volume. also, i happen to believe that added nose weight on slightly longer 'short' boards is a benefit for added momentum, power, and stability, especially on thicker more powerful lips, or added stability in messier yet punchy conditions. but then again, im not a contemporary style surfer. my boards never catch air, unless jumping out the back of a wave, and im more about tubes (even when there arent any :) and carving. im more 80s old skool, or, now, just simply old :)
could listen this for hours. my take away is... i'm definitely going to experiment and swap up my fins. put my big wave fins on my small boards and vice versa, been doing it wrong for decades :) don't know when my next surf will be, this time of year normally hyping about getting up to Sumatra...think about all those waves going unridden this year..its crazy times. nature is cruel mistress, and she's telling us to change our ways...thats how i see it. we all gotta play by the rules to get outta this..cheers guys
Dude awesome, thank you! 🤙🏽 I learn a lot with this video, and the space between you two sittings down far apart (I know because of social distances) but even in the future keep using it, it was nice to see how we can still watch old footages been fit in between you two, wile you guys explain the difference on the boards design 🤙🏽
I remember this kid dropping in on me back in the day... pipe was flat... the inside was fun... scraggly little blonde hair grom shredding LOL... think he was like 10... back in 2003 ish when I was stationed on Oahu.
Am I the only one who was afraid of the Ghost falling the whole time after JJ touched it? Sick vid guys, so interesting to hear your thoughts on these models in a longer form video.
So love these smart to be smart interviews 😆 I learned to water ski when I was 7. My parents put tennis shoes in the skis and away I went. Slaloming at 10. Wish I would of learned how to surf.
He’s spot on about the volume. My 23 liter feels way more volume when paddling, more like a 26 liter. But when you sit on it it sinks like a 23. I guess it’s all in the design. Feels like a lot of foam under the chest.
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I used to work for the NZ distributor & can confirm you guys have the best boards. From Anahola to Aotearoa!💪 Shred On Brothers!!💯
Thanks guys! Loved it! Pyzel you should do this with Koa and Nate. Would love to hear their stories with your boards.
jus literally learned more in this half hour about boards than I have my whole life
Today I learned it was not my board it was my fins. I am goofy kook compared to these folks. Now I gotta wait until this quarantine to try out my new futures.
+1 !!!!
Also recoomend you to check out some of Clayton videos on youtube hes really good and then you are set for the next swell hahaha be safe bro !!
@@xacute2937 which fins you used and which one youre gonna use after this situation ?
Look up the youtube channel "shred show". The creator has since moved on but the content is still up and goes even more in depth across tons of shapes
DOLCE g Lol sorry for the late reply but I had these black fins that came with my board from the shop but didn’t give two fs about the fins. I was always tripping why my board couldn’t hold rail when I would do medium speed cutbacks. Gonna get R4 legacies lets see how it goes. Maybe its me but Im like 60% sure my fins are built for reef breaks. I surf a beach break similar to trestles so you surf much slower speeds.
This was super interesting & informative, not just about the 2 Pyzel boards, but info on things to look for & info from fins to intricacies of board shapes. I was enthralled every moment of this. Thank you both!
That was fun to watch. Would be great if you guys do more of these. 🤙🏽 Love the shaping insight also, like the story with the tape layers on the rails😂
I like the shaper and rider discussion. Thank you John John and Pyzel. I am learning the Art of Shaping . My first mentor and shaper for my Boards was Rick Nohea in Santa Cruz. Good work.
J. Insco Jr San Francisco CA 1:11 pm
4/9/2020 at the house.
This was great, thanks. Informative, funny and great to see what a strong relationship you guys seem to have, way beyond surfer/shaper. Keep posting these!
learned so much in these 30 minutes. love listening to you guys talk about board design. please keep it up!!
Look up the youtube channel "shred show". The creator has since moved on but the content is still available and he debuted tons of shapes.
Just bought a shadow, and first wave noticed the difference! nice and sharp and good reaction. Love it! Matched with Futures fins.
Ghost is a revolutionary board ! ✨Thank you 🙏🏼 JP & JJ
Would you make podcasts? Like if you want them too because then we could hear their talks everywhere :)
ricardo YT great idea! I’d totally watch
@Thorekk it's about the content. Don't be stupid like cardboard.
love content with jon pyzel
I love my shadow! It took me a sec to get used to that little hip but once I adjusted to when the little release happens it was super fun. Knifey rails, narrow outline for a daily driver (but great hidden foam under the chest), and wide point pretty centered. Solid blade.
What size is your shadow?
James Schaefer I am 6’ and I got a 5’11” shadow (easily enough foam but like I said earlier you don’t even notice when riding)
@@-spyguy-6307 What kind of waves are you surfing and how much do you weigh?
If you don't mind me asking lol
@@jamesschaefer9975 Im about 150 lbs and I surf mostly not-too powerful beach breaks. The board hi-perf grovels I'd say at about a 7.5/10, but when we get swell or I go to a better, more powerful reef break or beachie It goes really well especially in the pocket (good for top to bottom surfing in good waves).
It's not just the flex of the timber stringer that changes over time with use, PU foam cells break down and lose memory with every flex, the extreme example of this is that PU foam they use in vases for flowers that you can crush, on a lesser scale this is what happens with PU surfboard foam as the foal flexes the cells crush and dont return to their previous shape.
PE resin also never stops curing so gets more brittle with age, these three combinations mean the feel and flex of a PU/PE board changes over time.
EPS foam on the other hand has very good memory it bounces back to shape as does Epoxy resin, Epoxy resin also when cured thats it, it does change, so an EPS/Epoxy surfboard as long as water tight changes very little with age.
This is the reason why a PU/PE board when new feels lively but over time can lose this feel, while EPS/Epoxy boards tend to keep that lively feel.
But yeah there are other pros and cons to both constructions from a surfing feel perspective.
You guys are spot on. I’ve tried to take a few of my more higher volume Texas boards into bigger surf just for the increased paddling, but in good waves it feels like the board is skating on top of the water. The rails will not sink into the waves, the speed is too fast, you can’t turn at all, it’s basically out of control. The minute I switch to a smaller thinner board with less volume, I get control of the board and the drops are so much easier to make because I’m not flying down the face like a cork, but more buried into the wave. It slows the speed down and you actually gain way more control of the board.
I usually surf a 5’10 shortboard (performance). Then my friend told me to use his 6’1” Ghost. So easy to get in the waves. Made me more confident on getting in to bigger waves. What I noticed from the board is, yes it’s wide point is a little further up front. But I also notice it’s thicker at the tail area. Maybe that’s the formula. 🤔. Btw I bought this board from my friend ASAP. Now I want a Shadow XL 5’10 stock dimensions. Just wished we can rent boards before we buy. AWAYCO is a hit or miss.
Great listen. Love the comparison of fins to airplane wings. I have been trying to convince a friend that bigger waves = smaller fins with no success. If I can't convince him with you guys and that analogy then he's a lost cause. Cool to listen in depth about the pro surfer - shaper relationship, especially for those who live far away from a good shaper.
Sensei and The Grasshopper ! Good stuff here. Thank you JJF and Sir Pyzel for sharing some knowledge and wisdom! Aloha and blessings
Love your work John John and Pyzel appreciate both of you
FUN! Thanks John and Jon! Plz do more of these
dopeeeee keep the videos coming john john. us fans want to see more of what you do in your everyday life
Loving the revamp of the channel recently
Great insights into surfing feel and board design
Would love more videos like this! Lol I’ve watched this video like 6x since it came out just to hear how you and Pyzel break down a board
I love all of your content. I've seen several series and I can't get enough. Plus, I will never tire of looking at that gorgeous face!
Classic! Thanks for the smiles! Happy Easter!
I can't wait to get a Ghost, that thing looks like it goes to town in 3 foot and above. I love how it was shapped as a bigger board and then squashed at the top. Genius! K - Next Question!
Yooo Brian King Turtle is my boy!!! When he came to NY I used to bring him around and show him all the spots! He’s a funny dude I miss that guy! The winters here were brutal and he was like you guys are fucked up and this cold shit lol...we gave him a suit one day he put it on backwards had the back zip in the front we were laughing our balls off! King is the Man! He was living here and surfing with me and a few other bone heads and 911 happened and it got real sketch and heavy here...that was the last time I saw King!!!... I’m glad he is well...Tell Em King Flip Runs NY!!! Make the Movie King make it about the Flip🏄♂️🌎☠️ the Real underground ...not the shit the worlds been fed...that’s why the scene is upside down it was never told right
A "nice" alley oop. Like 8 feet out! Still one of the best ever pulled. 👍
I just need a board that's gonna squirt a lil bit
John John your youtube content is on fire mate. Killan the game
No fudging now...love it. Such a head game some times.
2 weeks into lock down, can hear the waves, soon people... stay safe brother and sisters
Long time to hold our breath
Loving the uptick in content John! Keep it coming
Super Surfer & Super Shaper! Thanks for the professional development on " Ghost" & " Shadow" 🌊
JJF can make any boards work like the best of bests I reckon
These videos are awesome!!
❤ firstly, i like the cat cameo :) secondly, great discussion on those boards and designs, and if i was going to select pyzels, it would be those two in my 'quiv'. first board, a shadow. and if only choosing one board, a shadow. and if only choosing one board in a couple different sizes, a shadow. for sure a 6'6" shadow, and maybe like a 6'2". its interesting to me to learn that the ghost is more 'befitting' for larger than head high waves, and shape, as i would have though the shadow perfect for anything with steep, hollow, fast, or powerful, large, characteristics. although, shape that shadow at 6'6", 6'8' or larger, and i would think it would charge anything. perhaps im merely attracted to the outline, pulled in nose, beautiful exquisite nose rocker (that thing would be ideal for late drops straight into the tube) and still yet maneuverable, responsive, volume. also, i happen to believe that added nose weight on slightly longer 'short' boards is a benefit for added momentum, power, and stability, especially on thicker more powerful lips, or added stability in messier yet punchy conditions. but then again, im not a contemporary style surfer. my boards never catch air, unless jumping out the back of a wave, and im more about tubes (even when there arent any :) and carving. im more 80s old skool, or, now, just simply old :)
What a class!! Thank u Jhon and Pyzel!
Never wanted a new board so badly after watching this. Would love to know the exact fins John prefers in the Shadow.
its maybe a start, but finding out what fins work for your style and strength is more important than what works for jon.
He rides his signature fin, Futures JJF fin. I got them, they work in every kind of conditions
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This is great. You guys should do more long form stuff like this. Interesting to hear about the thought that goes into the design.
Cool video guys. Appreciate you guys are taking the boards and other stuff so seriously 😷🤙
The fins were a nice revelation to me. 🤯
Good Lord, that first turn ...
Thank you, guys. Very cool. I’ve enjoyed my 6’2 Ghost. Super solid in good waves.
Anyone else get super anxious when that ghost was leaning on a tilt?
Just got a brand new Ghost so stoked cant wait to try
could listen this for hours. my take away is... i'm definitely going to experiment and swap up my fins. put my big wave fins on my small boards and vice versa, been doing it wrong for decades :) don't know when my next surf will be, this time of year normally hyping about getting up to Sumatra...think about all those waves going unridden this year..its crazy times. nature is cruel mistress, and she's telling us to change our ways...thats how i see it. we all gotta play by the rules to get outta this..cheers guys
Yes! More of these please! Good stuff
Enjoyed this video, used to airbrush boards back in early 1970's. Laid back social distance a lot of good information.
this was awesome. would love to see more
Dude awesome, thank you! 🤙🏽
I learn a lot with this video, and the space between you two sittings down far apart (I know because of social distances) but even in the future keep using it, it was nice to see how we can still watch old footages been fit in between you two, wile you guys explain the difference on the boards design 🤙🏽
Great chat, keep them coming 👌🏽
It was great! Thank you so much for this really cool video 🤙 can’t wait for the next one 😉 take care and stay safe guys!
more of these for sure!! awesome info and insight!
John, "I'm so over this question. Next question!"
Love this! Please give us more
It’s 2 am and I’m stoked
Awesome segment! Keep em comming
I got a 7.0 Tank for big Northern Oregon winter surf. Damn, the thing is _awesome._
Yes, do more! Loved it! 5 layers of masking tape ☑️
I really want a Paddillac. Amazing looking board (I can't big wave surf, I just want to put on the wall and appreciate the artistry)
Bring it to Hawaii u will be using it alot
Please do more of this!
I remember this kid dropping in on me back in the day... pipe was flat... the inside was fun... scraggly little blonde hair grom shredding LOL... think he was like 10... back in 2003 ish when I was stationed on Oahu.
Absolutely amazing.
Awesome video, I learnt so much from it, thank you JJF and Jon
Am I the only one who was afraid of the Ghost falling the whole time after JJ touched it?
Sick vid guys, so interesting to hear your thoughts on these models in a longer form video.
Great vid!! I learned so much!
Sucks that Hossegor isn't on tour anymore
Great video! Mahalos from Uruguay!!!
These boards look awesome. Great craftsmanship and athlete! I wish I could have a collection of these hahaha
So love these smart to be smart interviews 😆 I learned to water ski when I was 7. My parents put tennis shoes in the skis and away I went. Slaloming at 10. Wish I would of learned how to surf.
Jon, can you please make a vid like this about the Radius? Do any of your pros prefer it to the Shadow?
amazing review
@pyzel is that lavender hand sanitizer? I got the same stuff. Keeps me Rona-free and helps me smell decent.
was wondering how Pyzel won stab in the dark twice... hes a freaking genius
Cause rhere only.been 4
Amazing. Absolute genius. Nothing less then #OfTheEpic. #LetsPaddleOut
When you posting 'VELA' can't wait to see it! Yeewwww
John is another Kelly in he is a true student of the hydro dynamics of vessels in water.His sailing would no doubt have lots of benefits too.
Realy realy Goossens vidéo !
Thinkerview you so much for all the shape détails!!!
Love this talk. Home workout next?
Pyzalien 2 vs Phantom or Astro Pop vs Happy Twin? Looks like there will be some waves to test on this week if you are bored.
He’s spot on about the volume. My 23 liter feels way more volume when paddling, more like a 26 liter. But when you sit on it it sinks like a 23. I guess it’s all in the design. Feels like a lot of foam under the chest.
This was extremely educational
Yup
29.5+ haha great one John!
So good!
it's like he said you want to carve an cut .... or go pacific just depends on what you like that makes your choice
Loved it, keep it up
Amazing tech talk👌
So funny how we acted during that period. Came for the review and that was good
Sick boards
Idea for a sausage - How about adding a resin pinch to the nose for release, never seen that before, my thoughts thats all........Giddyup JJF & Pies
Great discussion. Thanks.
Made a video with pyzel, shaping a board and tell what was ur choice for that board and why
That cat photo/video bombs you and Nate. I think the cat's looking for a part.
Rad. Learned a lot. John rips stra-tup.
So is he using 6" fins on his smaller boards, and 4" fins on his larger wave boards?
Can we pls have more of these!!!
This was a great video. Mahalo!
his voice is so sweet to me
Really good content!!! Try to get Kelly Slater and do a video about fins?