What I do about students training at other gyms.
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I trained at Marcelo’s for eight years and saw over hundreds of different patches and he never said anything to them or cared. He loved rolling with others and it was a plus for us because we got to experience other styles . It was great times when I was there.
@Peyton Green Those guys were great. I am sure we have either crossed paths or maybe rolled. They were great times at the 36 st school. I retire so I am not in the city any longer but still keep in touch with Marcelo. Great guy.
Hey Joe 😆
@@tylerroberts1247 you are funny bro
Who would you say is Marcello's best student besides Matieus?
@@Macktube jon savata.
More gym owners need to listen to this!
100% agree with Keenan. I recently discovered that there is a local gym that will NOT allow visitors from other gyms to train there unless they're out of state. When I called the owner and asked why he said that "every time someone from another gym trains here they advertise their gym and we end up having people leave here" the real reason is probably that they are insecure with the service they offer and know that there are other gyms out there that are better.
haha, yup. being a better gym just never occured to them
Lol “advertise” probably just means they said hey man my names so and so, I’m visiting from such and such gym.
Some gym owners are so weird man.
which gym was it? I have to know, lol
I live in an area luckily where all the gyms cross train with each other. Makes for great relationships and great community. The more people you can train with the better.
Your maturity shines beyond your years Keenan! Excellent message for coaches and gym owners to hear! I Remember getting the silent treatment from my coaches when they found that I had trained at another gym. Funny but it didn't matter as much to them when I would go abroad and train with other academys. It only mattered if it was a domestic or local martial art gyms that could be competition to our gym.
My favorite part is when these instructors who discourage training other places take
money to do seminars at gyms outside their “brand”. I had a place sell me a gi and shortly after tell me that gi wasn’t current to the new uniform standards.
Does it rhyme with Bracie Garra?
@@diogeneslantern18 🤣🤣🤣
Really? Holy s***
Thats just a marketing scheme , companies do that with uniforms. Mandatory so they can sell them.
That is so gross it hurts man, fuck them
This is philosophically deep and true. It resonates from all aspects of life. Thanks Keenna
Absolutely well said. Your gym has a great reputation for a reason. Well done.
As a blue belt that moved to a new location, I went to try out gyms by dropping in on their open mat. The gyms that said they only allow open mat to their students, or told me I had to wear their stuff, I walked right out the door.
It literally makes no sense from a business perspective. I had an instructor that would get mad if you were late. Oh you mad, cool I'll just pay this other guy 195 a month.
@@jimjam762 to a degree, I can understand that. One example I can think of is if you’re regularly coming in late and now the partners have to break up to work you in and you need to be shown all the techniques and so the rest of the class is spent catching you up. If that were are regular occurrence, I would tactfully speak with you about it and look at other scheduling options.
I had another gym tell me when their open mat is for members only. Then proceeded right into, “people that do open mat are either looking to get out of paying member fees or just coming in to hang up on people”
I’m thinking, one, that’s ultra presumptuous. Two, that’s the point of “open” mat. That’s it’s open to everyone so you can train with people outside your gym that doesn’t know your every move.
@@coryvore Being late does not negatively effect the class
@@jimjam762 if you're late you need to warm up when people are rolling/drilling, you hold everyone up, you also may have to be told the salient minor points you missed again. Basically if you turn up late you're being disruptive.
Such great wisdom and perspective - I agree 100% and the best gyms I’ve trained at have this same perspective 🙌🏻
Great message
Spot on, Keenan. If I lived in SoCal, I would definitely train at your gym.
Great insights. Thanks for sharing.
I actually train at another club and at Legion SD. I came in to give AJJ a try and ended up picking up a second membership. The people there were super cool about it and I respect their environment. I am a fan of cross-training because I get to train with more people.
Which gym do you pick as your home gym for promotions? I started cross training as well. I compete in both gi and no gi. My first gym is gi only, and so got a second membership at 10th planet for no gi. But not sure what to do regarding promotions and tournament registration. But both gyms are fine with me cross training.
Your coaching advice is stellar homie gud video
Awesome mindset!
The “patch” rule at some gyms are so stupid. I spend 150$ close to 200$ on a Gi and your telling me I can’t wear it, ever? Nah I am good. I should be allowed to wear MY Gi if I want. It’s not the old gyms Gi it’s the owners.
That's bad bad business. I'd charge my students higher and not have that as a req. Seems stupid.
I agree with you, but in Brazil all the big gyms...alliance, Gracie, b19...all of them make you use their gi. It's kind of annoying.
I had a BJJ coach that didn’t want me to wear my old gi with my old gym patches, or train MMA at another gym that had its own bjj coaches. I had to step away
When I started bjj, I bought a grey gi because I didn’t know what is the correct”color then a new coach arrived and required all white belts to wear white Gi only but high belts can wear whatever they want. I was so furious. I just spent a lot of money on a sport that I barely know and you ask me to buy another one? I never attended his class after he kicked me out for wearing grey gi. He is just abusing his power to show off as a black belt. I would never respect a coach like this. Especially i see a blue belt girl wearing pink in his class. Like what the hell? White belts deserve respect as well. Now I wear whatever color I want in another coach’s class.
@@lunazhang6010 in my gym it's only white gis allowed, I wanted a differentone but it's no big deal. Some other gyms though although famous require u to pay for whole yr and u have to buy their gi, as a white belt why would I want to pay for a while yr when I don't know if I even want to do it long term. My current gym says only white but u can get your gi from anywhere. The guy in the reception even told me u can get it cheaper online instead of their white gis. I think they changed to white only so the coach could see if people were washing their gis.😅
Awesome advice
I train at two different gyms that are literally 1,000 feet from one another and it’s very cordial. I am paying the gym owners. They have become my friends but they and I understand that Jiu Jitsu is an individual journey that needs a team. Both gyms are high quality training but I have a schedule that changes so I need options and having a membership at two different gyms gives me that flexibility and the opportunities to train more often than if I only attended one gym.
Excellent, lucid video.
Truth! Thank you!
I've taught kids and adults and I've noticed that the kids require a lot more structure to conduct themselves in a way that doesn't take away from the class. I think martial arts in modern society, before the mma/bjj revolution, were largely after school activities for kids and as a result a lot of "dojo etiquette" is just carried over from that cultural moment. I've always told my students "my job is to figure out the best shit out there and how to break it down for you and help you integrate it into your game, your job is to show up and be a good partner" and I couldn't really care less where else they train or what they wear to training and, to your point, I have always had a very respectful, focused student-base. I hope more gyms can unlearn the old school mentality and start to treat their adult students like adults.
What strikes me so much about this is that the very practice of JJ already taught me so much about relationships and gym owners are blatantly ignoring what JJ teaches:
A) If you want to have more success, work on your game and make it better, sharper, more tailored and focused - same goes for your gym, make your service better if you want people to stay.
B) Don't be romantic about the situation. If you end up in a great position but it's slipping away (eg. mount) - let go and adapt to the developing situation instead of moaning about what could've been. Same with customers or romantic partners, don't yell and scream at them or it will do the same thing as being swept while you hold on for dear life.
Instead, audit your own practice. You literally learn those concepts in class every day. I hope more people hear Keenan's message.
I'm happy my gym also engourages us to train at other gyms because it does improve your jiu jitsu, and that's all that matters.
Thanks for this. 👍
I love this
I think years from now, this new generation of grapplers will be more open & relaxed when it comes to crosstraining. I look forward to that, & the many new talent that will thrive in this “sport” or whatever you may call it.
Keenan’s gym sounds like an awesome dojo to train at 👍🏻❤️🙌🏻
Spot on.
I'm new to bjj only a month and have spoken to a few people who cross train and wondered why they did it.
They said they like to go because they get to roll with new people and won't know their strengths etc. This made sense to me as well as picking up new techniques to bring back as others in the comments mentioned.
Love this prospective.
keenan lookin' nice and healthy. good job bro
Keenan knows what’s up!
What time is it in shanghai!
Bravo!
Perfect statement, sir
There is absolutely nothing wrong with cross training. If I go into another gym, I might learn a cool technique and bring it back "home". Plus, the things I learn there will make everyone I roll with at my home gym better. Not to mention making the people better at whichever gym I visit.
If the head coach/owner of any gym gets upset with you because you visit another gym, regardless of it being one time or if you do it regularly, run. Run fast. Quit that place and sign up somewhere else permanently.
Hey thank you for talking about this. I just recently joined a BJJ gym and I noticed they have a VERY tight knit community to a point where something about it made me feel extremely uncomfortable… I couldn’t quite put my finger on why, I thought maybe I was being too harsh , but this really validated my intuition. I paid for a month already so I am going to just finish out the month but after that I’m going to try out other gyms in my area
Thanks very much, ill show this video to my coach via someone else's who leaving our gym for this reason,
its been 5 years I've been at my gym and just recently ive seen my coach do this.
Im not staying because I want to be loyal(well mayb) but ive been a coach there for the last year and my coach as really its brand going round' here, so i want to stay and have couple more amateur mma fights so he could really see my worth and then confront him with this. But rn I don't have the guts in me to do it, so I got one of the students whose been here for a year and he's leaving because he seen too much shady stuff from my coach, imma give him this video so he could send it to my coach i hopes he'll understand.
Wish me good luck and have nice one ✌️
Every gym I've been in has encouraged cross training and trying different gyms.
My coach prescribed me another coach one time like he was my family medicine doctor referring me to a specialist to make me understand the straight ankle (I'm kind of immune to it when 90% of people do it, it just doesn't hurt). He told me to go to an MMA gym across town to get straight ankled by a pro mma fighter. And holy shit it made straight ankles make sense. I could see how people tap to it and I could see how if they don't tap to just the pressure you can turn it into a dirty ass lock. When the mma fighter did it I could feel the bones in my foot straining.
Your bjj coach couldn’t teach or demonstrate the proper mechanics of breaking the foot from a straight ankle lock and sent you to a mma gym to be taught that ? 🤣🤣 find a real coach
100% agree. Nothing to add.
On the one hand, Keenan's take is the right one.
On the other hand, the awful truth is that to an extent, your ethics are determined by your circumstances.
Brazilian attitudes towards gym territoriality and authoritarianism didn't come out of nowhere.
An occasional scarcity of students who can pay on time, a huge supply of good teachers, and rooms full of people who might devolve into a discussion group make strong leaders willing to crack the whip to get results almost inevitable.
Ultimately, generosity creates a virtuous cycle, and not being territorial leads to more long term success, but I can see where the Brazilians are coming from. They aren't exactly wrong.
Cross training is awesome. It enriches every gym, since some players bring back skills into the gym.
Cross training is eye opening, it should be encouraged regardless of what gym is better.
The beard is awesome 😎
I like this guy. Very smart
It's also about the schedule. Someone could make the Saturday at one gym near home, and a couple weeknights at a different gym near work.
The video every gym owner needs to see
Nailed it
Also cross training allows to roll with unfamiliar people, check your A-game, simulate competition jitters.
Everyone should do it who wants to compete.
This.
I was traveling in Yunming, China a month ago and I always have my gi and belt with me in case i run into some interesting gyms. There’s an Atos in kunming, so naturally I called to see if there’s any open mat or daily pass. The owner told me no trial class, no open mat, no daily or weekly pass and the only option is a monthly pass and I have to buy it before I step on the mat. I was so shocked… and just said no thank you and hanged up. I have visited so many gyms when traveling and most gyms allow me to train for free for once and the others offer very cheap daily or weekly fees. This is a big part why I love BJJ, it’s so open and welcoming. I can walk into any gym and roll with their black belts. I have made many friends by visiting. I think having visitors is good for local students as well. You get to see different techniques and styles.
I'm cross training at a gym that only does no-gi. My home gym doesn't know I'm doing it, but the gym I'm cross training at knows I have a diff home gym, the professor introduced me to everyone at every class for a week and even mentioned where I'm training. He only asked me if I want promotions at his gym or the home one, and I said home one.
It's been a great experience and I'm learning so much and now I'm starting to tap blue belts at my home gym and I'm a 3 stripe white belt. When we have no gi at home gym, I do even better. I'm very happy with the abilty to train at two different schools.
This is music to my ears.
I would wear your patch or rash guard now. Of course, I’m in Virginia so…I have no structure in my gym. I wish there was more curriculum.
Wish my coach had your mindset
I train at 10th Planet and I went to 10th Planet head quarters in Los Angeles just to get some extra work. Eddie didn’t trip but he did check with my professor to make sure it was ok with him. I definitely got the feeling I violated an unwritten rule.
As I understand it, anyone training at 10P HQ was supposed to call ahead (due to celebrity students on site and the tendency of non-celebrity students to get distracted and/or distract).
Please do one last matburn podcast. Give us some gosh darn closure!!! Fuck!!!
love your logic, make the process smooth, let people be comfortable, I'm looking at a gym that I'm interested in but they have a ton of rules, don't wear other patches, bow down before leaving and entering the mats, ask the "professor" to go to the bathroom, get his permission to enter the mats if you're late and so on, it's discouraging and for me to buy their gi it probably costs 50 KD give or take which is like 150 bucks, what if I don't like the gym within my first month?
We have all gym-hopped at some point, but it is important. Locally, you want to be at the best gym in your area and as a competitor, you want to learn from the best AND train with the best. Some coaches may have a better understanding of Butterfly Guard than your local coach, so you may take a trip to Marcelo’s Academy for a few weeks of training, or, you may end up going with your coach and bringing some lessons back! Nobody ever excelled with their jiu-jitsu by stagnating though. There are levels to this and coaching.
That shirt is great. Can’t find it online😩
Facts!
Squid master is very intelligent and makes valid point
My Primary gym is my home. With the blessing of my professor. I do Sunday open mats at a really close gym for Ike 3 hours. That additional 3 hours has boosted my skills. I invite everyone to my primary gym. My primary gym is pretty much NoGi only, and I know that is a niche that most BJJ gyms don’t cater to. After they roll with me they always have a “I don’t train NoGi”. I love my primary professor. He is an unbelievably great guy and great BJJ instructor. He get happy when one of his students tap him. Which is not often.
100% on the money 🎯
I don't cross train because my gym has already too many classes that I'm not attending (hard to do them all without PED) so paying another gym doesn't make sense, but when I'm traveling i always try to visit the local gym
any chance of substantially increasing the volume on these vids you release keenan? all of your recent vids about gym management the volume has been EXTREMELY low- and not able to turn up any more.
cheers, great info
I can remember when a lot of professors were moving up to the US from Brazil and many had policies like this that were not well received in US culture.
I mean the restrictive policies.
Thank you as a JKD Man I always try to get my guys to cross train ❤️👍
Inspiring and informative Thank You 🙏
I once got kicked out of a JKD concepts school for training BJJ. It was in the 90s when everyone was really insecure about BJJ in the martial arts community.
Was in a narcissist’s gym once. I noticed my takedowns were costing me in competition so asked my coach if he was cool with me learning judo at a school across town. He discouraged it because he saw what he was teaching as so superior and didn’t want them to know our moves lol. Pandemic hit, I started in judo and fell in absolute love. I train both now and couldn’t be happier. No cross training is a huge red flag. Student retention is a challenge, but this is still a service. Serve your students. They will pay your bills forever
I’m actually in large agreement with you in coming from one of the gyms that was more like yours and more relaxed as far as the old rules go in the old guard. I much enjoyed that environment more. Now it is rigid and very dogmatic nowhere near as fun or exciting to train. It’s not like I can bring that up with the coach or owner no. It’s just interesting having the experience of coming from another gym and realizing how things could be I guess some people probably prefer it this way but I do not
Cross training is something to encourage so you can roll with other guys and level up your game
I like your points of view! One question: who is the founder of american jiu-jitsu?
Absolutely!!! I have not been able to train elsewhere because Keenan has created such a great environment. Literally screaming “take my money” I live in Texas now and have not been able to find anything even close to similar
Texas is a massive place, but on the off chance that you live in or near Dallas, have you tried Kama Jiu-jitsu? It's supposed to be a quality place with lots of curriculum.
@@lenonkitchens7727 If you prefer nogi in the dfw area, NextGeneration is hands down the best by far.
@@timothycarey3883 I don't live in Texas anymore, unfortunately. That being said, I don't have a preference. I believe you need to train both gi and nogi, so I prefer a gym that gives equal attention to both.
Texas people in in Waco where y'all at
I absolutely love his philosophy about this subject. I went to a local school that was the exact opposite and I'm glad I got out of there. The instructor refused to evolve with the times---no leg locks or leg lock defenses, no worm, spider, rubber, etc. De La Riva was about the newest and most exotic thing he would teach, lol. He was massively talented but lacked the desire to teach.
theres a cultural aspect to this however, old school chinese martial arts is very big on relationships and your teacher is not someone you pay and exchange skills.
when i wanted to learn a variation of my martial art from one of my teacher's close friends - the mere suggestion of the idea got me 4 lectures over the course of a weekend.
so in the end i ended up just not saying anything to anyone and learning anyways
this is a cool channel btw
“If someone can provide a better service” that’s the real issue.. if that is happening often you need to improve the quality of service you are providing, so people don’t need to go other places to get that service they are looking for..
just train it doesn't matter what uniform as long it's not crazy 🤪
I agree with Cornelius he's the man
Where I live we have a couple gyms that have, you cannot train at any gym locally or travel to, if you do they throw a fit then ostracize you and it forces you to stay at their gym because we have no choices In our area. We have tons of gyms 1 1/2 away
Solid answer. Business is earned. Loyalty is earned. Be worthy, they will come. Never was a fan of Keenan, knew OF him but didn't really follow. This statement alone makes me a fan! Good stuff KC.
Edit: as a long-time BJJ practitioner who owns 11 Gi's I've always hated being forced to get yet another one, and saw it as a cash-grab. Just my two -cents
I used to say/do that same thing about cross training in the early 2000s and that pretty much sealed my fate on belt promotions and any kind of respect from any Brazilian black belt.
Great mature answer!
What would you respond though, if it's specifically high-level students whom help teach at your school, and then go teach your same techniques at other schools?
But doesn't he just teach BJJ. If he was creating a new martial art or like Willy Wonka was creating new chocolate recipes it might be different. But he's talking about BJJ gyms not allowing students to play at other gyms that also teach BJJ because they want to keep their own slice of the cake as big as possible. And he says that doesn't work even if you wanted it. It just doesn't work. If you succeed you end up with a bunch of enfeebled students afraid of you. If they all want to leave and play with senior students who left to teach then maybe it time to do something else or just let them go. It might hurt but there's no way around it. I think he's saying that's just how life works. The last part of the maturation cycle though is death. All creatures that are born grow old sicken and die noble truth. He was never gonna be doing this forever.
My home gym is very lose with dress code, they don’t mind wearing whatever you want, but when I’ve tried to cross train with the Gracie gym in my town they won’t allow me to train there without owning there gear. At the time I only had a black gi which they wouldn’t let me wear in the gym, and when I tried to only do no gi they said I need to have there rashguard in order to roll. It bummed me out because I just wanted to get work in, but this specific Gracie gym is very strict, they even told me if I signed up there I wouldn’t be allowed to cross train anymore. I decided to just train at other gyms in my town instead.
Guerrilla jiu jitsu encourages same thing. Our thing is (train with everyone) well said Keenan
Wait a second. You have full soap dispensers AND this perspective!!! Sayyyy whattttt haha
What do you feel about members having to walk the gauntlet? I've seen people walk it and tough it out with no issues, but I've also seen some actually cry. Some belt ceremonies are packed and mates love to unload full force.
No one should be pressured to do anything they don't want.
I don't really train BJJ too much but I order to be a better fitness and strength coach, you have to go to multiple places to improve. I would assume the same should apply to BJJ
100% agree. Been doing jiu jitsu for over 13 years and was training at a academy that had all those so call "tradition". Those "tradition" are just a way for them to make money and control you. Now training at a place that is a total opposite, open environment, everyone is welcome, people can wear gis and whatever patches they want.
"Any gym can do these things" -- Is a world champion instructor.
Where did you buy that shirt?
push when pulled, pull when pushed
I think the issue with cross training is that it could possibly lead to injuries if you go to train at a school that has a terrible culture that someone isn't used to. that said, any school that forbids it should be ashamed what adults do with their spare time - this is the biggest problem in BJJ right now is people who, by virtue of having a black belt, telling other adults what they can/can't do with their time or money in relation to BJJ.
I work in different locations all over my city, so I just drop into random gyms and wear my whitebelt.
When questioned I just say I did some ground karate as a kid.
It's actually a good thing to train at other gyms. Get a better feel for competition, test yourself, and meet different people.
Agree 100%. Required gis? Pass. Required to train exclusively at a gym? Pass. I've found my team that has been supportive in all my training endeavors and it's precisely for the reason that if I can get better, I help them get better. The same principle as why there should be no shame in tapping. You learn something about your game and in turn are given the opportunity to tighten things up an make it tougher for your teammates to elevate their game.
Do your students still line up and now before and after class?
I'm trying to get into jiu jitsu right now and I can't find a gym that doesn't want me to sign a year long contract. I'm willing to pay multiple months up front in cash, but they don't want to do business that way. It's a service, I have cash, what's the problem?
Great perspective. Hate the (typically Gracie) creonte crap
What about representing at tournaments??
Every night I prey that the matburn podcast gets revived. Can I get an AMEN?
amen
Hallelujah
AMEN!
Well said. I'd love a video about useless/harmful/senseless traditions in bjj gyms, like, IMO, not washing the belt
Not only do I not wash my belt, I use it as a jizrag to keep it extra stiff...
@@chaos_omega OSS!
@@chaos_omega I got my brown belt by using it as toilet paper
@@InvisibleHotdog That's some next level shit. Like, literally.
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