How Realistic is Metro 2033's Post Apocalyptic Subway System?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Would it actually be possible for a portion of Moscow's population to survive in the subway system like in Metro 2033? We take a look at the legendary underground of Moscow and its secret Metro 2 government bunkers.
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More realistic than Fallout's entirely nuclear depiction of the planet. The Metro series shown several places that left clean; people even domesticated and used the mutants
Agree.
yea fallout is fun but metro really leaves an impression
Fallout was never meant to be realistic, though. The first two games are comedies. They're parodies of what some people from the 50s expected. They're '80s action movies.
Fallout is not meant to be realistic at all like what so ever
Fallout is meant more to be a parody of the 1950's Americana
Miller: "Artyom! Generation Films left a video about Metro! Go and leave kind reply!"
Artyom:
Industrial cum tacos
@@667halomaster good irrelevant comment
@@bepizz6680 aint no planet x comin cause aint no space cause aint not globe earth
The suffering of job gives me hope
Go leave kind reply in level load!
I played metro 2033 here recently and it's really immersive. Nothing like living like a rat in Moscow's metro.
Man I would give so much to forget the game and start over all the series. You are in for a ride. It only gets better!
i would play the game but didn't realize my pc sucks
Try metro exodus easily the best metro to date
@@robertwilliams2642 I played exodus once, playing again... Finishing again
exodus is better
Well he wrote in the book that the nukes were destroyed in the air by some anti-missile defence system, but they still exploded. Howerver, this made them less destructive and it gave some time to the people to make it into safety. And I loved that it is based on real life Moscow, since the author lives there. It makes it feel more realistic.
@LineOfCars Well he basically wrote that they exploded mid-air, maybe the nukes themselves had some sort of defense mechanism that they would explode if something was to destroy them. But he is not a nuclear scientist and basically, it doesn't really matter exactly HOW it happened. But definitely read the books, they are amazing, especially the first one :)
@@BinLamim Just a quick Note, nuclear bombs can be "programmed" to explode in Air. I'm no expert so I don't want to write any Bullshit, but recommend reading the Article by Stanford university on Surface Blasts Vs Air blasts , it's interesting!
@@DemKind Yes, that is true, I was just going by what he wrote in the book, that they were destroyed before they hit Moscow and that's why they survived and almost noone else did.
SPOILER from 2035:
It could have been propaganda, since they were jamming the signal from all around the world and telling everyone that they are the only ones left.
@@BinLamim i think the people of moscow might have noticed the bombs and saw for them selves
@@BinLamim the way it was described, air defense took out only a portion of the nukes. The rest detonated as intended. Nukes are supposed to detonate in the air so that they don’t uselessly transfer such a huge portion of their energy into the ground, unless you’re targeting a bunker or something. Also, nukes wouldn’t detonate like traditional explosives if shot down. You need fairly precise and controlled conditions to properly detonate them.
Fun fact!: Glukhovsky grew up taking the metro in Moscow and one day went “huh, what if nukes killed everyone and the remainder of the world survived in these tunnels” thus metro 2033 was born... in the original novel Artyom died during the climax, which got changed cause the publishers thought it didn’t make sense to have the final act of the book missing its main character. And as far as these games go, the devs either had been through the metro themselves, and also had a bunch if diagrams and models for recreation... plus Glukhovsky heard of the project and helped them out which was pretty dope he helped advertise the game and such and (i think) helped with the script to a certain degree. Im a massive fan of These games 4A did beautifully and Glukhovskys novels are even better
One of the only times where playing a game makes the book better
dude spoiler warning please ?
i remember in the train car with the red line and stuff after you meet andrew the blacksmith, there was a book called "metro 2034" right in front of you. i think in last light there was also a place in a station that sold books and there was like "metro 2034" "metro 2035" "metro 2036"
@@einfangirl2351 that version of the book is older than I am
Why would you spoil that you bum
Now you need to dive into STALKER series and you can become full cheeki breeki
I played the original back in the day
@@GenerationFilms alan is better then the other guy reeeee
@@GenerationFilms jkjk
REAL GOPNIK RIGHT HERE. STAY CHEEKI BREEKI!!!
Read the book that the game takes inspiration from too. Roadside picnic
I personally think it’s something realistic in comparison to other fictional subway systems
Just Some Guy without a Mustache considering the author based it on Moscow’s actual subway system and how it really was (maybe still is?) hermetically sealable as a improv fallout shelter.
Sips Mushroom Tea from Exhibition* Fo' Sho'!
Just Some Guy without a Mustache shut the fuck up weeb no one cares about ur opinion loser
theradbrad?
Do you know any other ones? I'd be very interested in some other takes on subway systems.
Yeah when I looked into the books, the author said he got all of his info for the games metro from when he was actually taking the metro around Moscow back in his school days and he realized that the system had all the sealable doors and such as though it doubled as a bomb shelter
Dr Mittens PhD I’m aware, but at the time of the interview the author didn’t know that yet. So he just thought it was a happy coincidence.
@@nikik5567 There’s no way the author didn’t know that. The whole book series is basically a metaphor for Russian paranoia and politics during the Cold War. There’s a lot of hidden meaning in the story.
@@maiqtheliar7552 he probably didn’t. There’s several civilian structures in the US that pulled double duty as shelters or stowage for military hardware that nobody knows about until they start looking into it. U have to think, if he hadn’t been anywhere else at the time of writing the first version of 2033, what reason would he have had for knowing that his Moscow metro system wasn’t the norm? Russia is controlling of their media, tho not as bad as say North Korea, but they still try to control what people in Russia see and know of the outside world.
We can all worship the Tsar Fish.
Spoiler Alert.
The Tsar "Fish" is dead :D
@@marty2129 "Listen up everybody, the Baron is speaking."-Killing the Tsar Fish is optional, so he can live in our hearts as long as we want him to.-"The Baron is finished speaking."
I am a heretic. Fear my Satanic light and demonic armor
Nyet. Great Worm, heretic!
That is The brotherhood of steel cult status haha minus Not sharing tech.
I love Allen's pronounciation of Russian names
Mollof yeah he gets it perfectly
Да товарищ
There's nothing wrong with linear games. Metro 2033 and last light are some of my favorite games of all time
I loved these games recommend the novels they are even better
yea the novels are some of my favorite
Logan Blaytman facts
Can confirm the first book is amazing.
I've not yet found the second one though.
@@mivapusa I've got all three they are awesome, keep looking 2034 is very well written
Michael VPS audible
My first thought on playing Metro was "why couldn't these guys have been the ones to buy Fallout?" It's closer to the spirit of that franchise than the ones done Bethesda in-house
the metro guys actually started with a series called S.T.A.L.K.E.R which was really cool but lacked polish
The first two games are comedies. Metro is rather far from the original spirit of Fallout, as are the Bethesda games.
A black comedy that takes the piss just enough that you aren't sure that it's actually taking the piss. That's the original Fallout games.
In my mind, the two series of games function in the same post-nuclear world. Then I get to compare and contrast how the two countries planned, and how the survivors adapted.
MonkeyJedi99 there is no comparison
not only is the pod in the 40s, but Metro's war was in 2013, fallout's was in 2077
@@kenetickups6146 I know, but I like to roleplay my games experiences. Also, I swear at my computer for cheating. A lot.
all stations were unified at the beginning for around 4 years i think because people believed that the government survived and that metro is just a temporary solution. then they found out there is no government and it all went into chaos. Also, if we're talking about metro 2033, words "subwa" and "underground" don't exist, you have to use only the word metro
Omg, please do more Metro content, it is one of my favorite gaming franchises and universes. There is so much Content to ist since ist has such a big universe and the books too!
I want to see them talk about how practical or realistic the guns and vehicles are in the games.
@@rascoehunter3608 Excluding probably the railgun (though some homemade projects are getting close both in looks and action), the P90/Bullpup-like Kalash 2012 (that might be feasible if we cound an experimental technologies such as sliding bolts from TKB-022PM, but considering the timeframe of the game, it wouldn't be realistic for a pre-WW3 weapon), the Bastard's crazy magazine design (if you write out the drum- and belt-fed magazine variants from Exodus, which are perfectly viable), and effectivity/lethality of the pneumatic guns in their current form, every single one of Metro's weapons is buildable and could be effective, at least judging their variants from Exodus.
There are also some questions if Abzats (the DShK-based shotgun) could be realistically made on 12x70 buckshot without the weapon being basically built from scratch, as the shotgun calliber is measured by different methods than the 12,7x108mm rounds are (the real diameter of the 12x70 shells is closer to 20mm AFAIK), the .44 Magnum rounds would be really weird in Russia, and only in Exodus is the silenced revolver actually designed as silenced (with correct shape of the ammunition), but overall, I think that Metro's art department did a great job with guns (and the occassional crossbow/airgun they made).
_"Construction of underground shelters began all round Moscow to protect Government and Military Officials and, lastly, the citizens"_
ayy lmao
That was a rly strange line tho.
As he said, there were 2 separate projects - Metro 1 (i guess) that was supposed to save citizens and Metro 2 that had to protect Government and etc.
There were no such thing as ''firstly / lastly''.
If US gets nuked, the president will be the exact same. Protect the government and military officials and lastly, the citizens.
I mean it’s not like you see any government out there creating bunkers for it’s citizens or do you?
Phoenix Purin Itonically, the East was much much more considerate of the citiziens compared to the West. Western states hardly did anything to protect the citizien, rather, they focused on telling them there is no danger at all.
@@karakas9905 Ya, capitalist value and individualism is more focused on Me Me Me. My wealth, my wellbeing over the group. I hate sharing my wealth on useless things but I also see why communist values try to level out the playing field a bit.
NEVER have I heard of 3D Project Red. I have heard of CD Project Red though...
And that really shows how much you actually respect them...
Glad i wasn't the only onebothered by that
projekt actually
Man I remember the first time playing each game stepping out into the waste I could almost smell the radiation
Walking through the metro makes you wish for world peace.
Metro 2 isn’t a conspiracy, it’s true. Miller himself was controlled by them
So Russias Elite arent living in the Ural and are just in a second metro under the main one?
StarPaladinNelaj the ural bunker was were they were gonna go to help restore the nation but because of how hard Moscow was hit they couldn’t leave. So they set up the local factions with jammers and decided this is Russia’s last stand. And they control from metro 2.
@@estrogenizedbird9161 it's canon in the books but I'm pretty sure it was never known if they existed in the games.
@@MintyLime703 metro exodus’a whole plot is about how a goverment lies to protect its people, miller worked for the goverment, they are very much still around in the shadow
“4A games made this in a cave! With a bunch of scraps!”
I absolutely love the metro series and I believe it’s a very underrated and under appreciated series that deserves way more credit than it gets. Honestly it’s the second best game franchise ever especially now a days.
Unfortunately I’m not much of a reader, I don’t enjoy reading, and I always fall asleep so I’ll never read the books but I’m sure they are just as good probably even better than the games.
You could listen to the audio recordings of the books
Its not underrated nor underappreciated. I hate those terms. They are just not so well known and the gameplay isnt for everybody
Its 3 am And in Lazy to use a translator 😂 but :
Hrál jsem a četl knížky, a mohu říct, že se skvěle doplňují, něco je v knížce, neco zase ve hře... Třeba legendární Chán a jeho hlášky se v knížkách vyskytují minimálně, ale naopak exodus je v podstatě pokračování po knížce metro 2035. :)
My favorite part in metro exodus was a reference to the jungle book Artyom is hanging out with his Comrade at a river he asked I wonder if I can talk to these animals like Mowgli The reason why I like this is because they pronounce his name right Disney Jon Favreau and Andy Circus cannot pronounce his name right , then it made me wonder if Mowgli can talk to the mutated animals in the Metro series like the librarian demons and a mutated Russian bear?
My little dog is names mowgli so I cant read without thinking of him
Arthur Fleck kawl my cats name is mufasa
Is that when you talk with duke after being attacked by the tsar fish?
@@bloodangel7571 yes
Lived in Moscow from 95 to 98. In the end I lived near the Kievskaya metro station. Russian people were really kind. I will never forget that. Thank you.
I'm glad to see someone else who loves Metro as a work of art instead of just giving it another typical review as a game/book series. The story is great, all of the characters are well done and full of personality, the lore, it's amazing. Heck, I even bought an AK in 5.45 and changed out parts to resemble the Kalash from Last Light.
"Now that I'm older, I don't really have time to just sit down and play video games as much as I should."
Amen to that...
Time to pull out the vodka and mutated shrimp steak blin
You know I'm actually curious what a shrimp tastes like with beer
@@Lajos_Kelemen Not great, I would recommend a white wine.
And now we actually might be on the brink of this happening.
Something like this was done in the UK connecting London and Manchester
What was the name?
Fallout London?
Love playing Metro!
Loved the books, just wish they were translated better. At least the copies i got sometimes seemed like an elementary kid wrote it
Audio books are better try them
what translation did you use? i used 112chan translation and it seems just fine.
@Communist Weeb idk i bought the books from amazon for my kindle app
@@gavinvick3592 i have heard bad stuff about the amazon translation
@@wabch are there different translations to English? Because in German the translation seems pretty good
That was the best way I have ever heard to describe the books. Russian Nihilism dialed to ten.
Honestly, I can't think of any game that has had me as invested in the atmosphere as much as the Metro series. The random citizens huddled around a fire and having a chat, the vendors peddling weapons and goods, the decrepit tunnels hiding their secrets, I honestly would love if a Roleplaying Game in the Metro world was made, I just want to see more of it.
I believe the Mass Effect series has a one of the richest and most beautiful Games ever made Alan!!
The Metro in Metro2033 is not self sufficent; its mentioned over and over that flooding, rats, mutants and radiation push further and that those that go to the surface bring precious resources back, to the point that even regular wood is good salavge on the surface
Dude, I like you very much. That was so very well said, "Now that I'm an adult I don't play as much video games as I should". Key word there is "Should".
Wow, great video, I've learnt a lot from it.
Yes Man! Great video Metro is one of the greatest series out there and is extremely underrated I just played through Metro Exodus twice in 2019 one of the only games in past few year yo be released a finished quality product. And also before I even get to the point in the video I would like to say that because of the Metro games I have taken a large amount of time to study moscow's Metro System, it was actually designed as a shelter and all major stations do actually have hermetic doors. In terms of D6, it is possible that just the shit we know about the Soviets built a bunker system down there during the second world war.. that alone should tell you its probably pretty extensive.
Fun fact: There are more Assassin’s Creed games than Call of Duty games. Also, saying CD Projekt Red did the right thing with Cyberpunk... Hindsight.
I loved this series.. Played the whole series. Highly recommend.
If your gonna say Russian,always use a computer voice lol
Bro, Metro Last Light was one of my favorite games of all time! I loved the part were you end up by your self after you leave the communist and are forced to survive on your own. It really made feal so alone.
I gotta go back to earn that platinum trophy for Metro 2033 Redux. I gotta give it some love, especially since it has zero micro transactions.
What is the maximum capacity of the Flood's abilities on the cellular or atomic level? Can they adapt to cellular dangers like say the Forerunners construct a nano machine virus that would breakdown the Flood super cell replicate then advance, could the Flood adapt to those situations like the Tyranids do?
And another question can the Flood with enough biomass create any Flood pureform in any shape, size, and body structure as they want like the Tyranids do but much much faster?
Graveminds could grow to the size of planets, becoming Keyminds. The humans tried to develop a counter agent to the flood, but it didn’t work. Funny part is, the flood faked being effected by it so they could gather more biomass in secret and let the Forerunners kill the humans off.
BTW I was in Moscow and they do not entirely deny the existence of Metro-2. Albeit they claim - if you believe it - that construction was mostly abandoned because it was realised how with large hydrogen bombs all the stuff was getting increasingly academic.
Hell yes, my favourite franchise of all time finally! Have both the redux’s, the original 2033, and exodus on both Xbox and PC, and currently doing a whole marathon of them all on ranger hardcore! Remember comrades, if it’s hostile... you kill it.
Dude no way I’m so glad you did a video on metro
The Metro games are all awesome in my opinion. I think they are also very realistic.
How dare you show Primal in that opening. It is so much more distinct than the other Far Cry's. It's world feels incredibly alive and the interaction between systems is robust for Ubisoft. I recommend anyone readibg this to give it a chance. It's an excellent and incredibly underrated game.
I love the metro series. It's probably the best series in the genre.
Hey Allen could you do a vid on the Anomaly from the metro serie and please explain what the hell this thing is? I love your guys vids man btw
I loved all the Metro games and played since it’s beginning. My favorite gaming series hands down.
My guy may I suggest S.T.A.L.K.E.R its basically it but a bit more into roadside picnic instead
It will be great if there is a similar video about the Metro Exodus locations like the summer camp near lake Baikal and the Caspian Sea.
I just love this series .. best games i ve ever played
@Generation Films have you guys watched Altered Carbon? If so could you do a video on the series and the morality behind using stacks to download the human consciousness onto fancy computer chips and using them to become effectively immortal and the effect it could have on humanity as we know it?
Hey Allen could you guys do more vids on the metro series?
I just started playing Metro Exodus a week ago. Its good but I can't past the zombie mutant in the car in the desert because I can't press X fast enough.
Kept pissing me off
The animals are pretty annoying at times.
Rascoe Hunter an over pressurized Tikar ball to the dome works really well on the humanimals. So do the incendiary balls
hold x
try hold x
Me from the future. Might wanna rethink your cyberpunk plans for a while.
Thought you would discuss how they get food and stuff... if you can survive in a metro tunnel for your whole life.
There was a hotel in Moscow city center that was demolished since it was from the time of Stalin era and was rumored to connect to the Metro 2 line since FSB showed up to secure the area from the public.
I am about to play this for the first time, on Xbox 360 because I want it's original feel and atmosphere. I own both Redux's and Exodus on Series X because of Game Pass, but never played. I spent 3 months waiting for copies of 2033 and Last Light to ship to me, just to play it's original release on Xbox 360. They both arrived today. I will play the Redux after this, then the original Last Light and it's Redux, finishing with Exodus. I just finished the first book and it was fantastic, I highly recommend the "fan-english-fixed" version as it corrects a LOT of translation errors and grammar mistakes from the original, English version. Great video, I've been watching a lot of this game and I'm super interested in exploring the metros and experiencing the atmosphere, having about committed suicide after coming from 100+ hours of Fallout 3.
Thank you!
I remember when i got metro 2033, i was so blown away by how good it was. The sequal was really good too. The last wasnt my favorite but i only played a little of it also, didnt buy it so cant say for sure. Man 2033 and last light were just so good, had to describe what it was like finding the game at the time i did.
When i relized too that advertisments ment nothing for the quality game of a game. Infact, i grew a mistrust for games that were to well advertised and everywhere. Games sell themselves when there good enough.
Do we all agree that Assassins Creed 1 was amazing ? It was mysterious and weird in a good way. Far Cry 2 was good too
One of my favourite channels covering one of my favourite games!
I don’t think so, in some sense, as humanity after being in a enclosed space for a long time can generate “Cabin Fever” leading to possible delirium, which may dissipate in later generations, but Metro would never happen as the generation that entered the Metros would probably kill themselves or each other like in one of the Vaults from the Fallout series
So, just a few questions:
1. How are they growing crops.? They may have livestock they can eat, but humans can not exist long term on meat alone. And livestock needs to be fed as well.
2. Waste management? Where are they disposing of the massive amount of waste 200k people generate?
3. Ventilation. How are they filtering the air they need and disposing of CO2 and other gases?
4. How are they powering all of this? Where are they getting fuel if they are using generators?
1.They grow mushrooms, potatoes and other tough stuff underground. Also chickens for eggs.
2. Just throw it outside. also recycling is a big part of society
3.Well, airfilter. The subwaysystem is build as a nuclear shelter in mind.
4. A generator needs more than just fuel, also i guess they had a lot of it in reserve. You can use wind, musclepower, heat, water, etc.
I have experienced the Metro system in both Moscow and St. Petersburg (where spin-off novels within the _Metro 2033_ universe are set) and have to admit that they are a one-of-a-kind sight in their very own right.
And it's pretty unnerving to read the book series reencountering places one has seen in real life, such as the (in-universe utterly devastated) "Raduga" shopping mall where I actually purchased some things or the Metro station "Park Pobedu" where my dad had his apartment when he was working in St. Petersburg - the latter's namesake park was already unsettling enough knowing that it's essencially a giant mass grave for the victims of the 900 days siege of St. Petersburg/Leningrad in WW2 - but in the 2033 series it's also depicted as the territory of some deadly mutants the protagonists have some close encounters with.
I think having visited these places in person makes the series even more captivating.
Are you planning to address the most interesting question which is could hundreds of people really survive in a subway station for decades, and of course how long could we hold out against the mutants?
If you are watching in Moscow and the Big One hits... I hope you make it.
Honestly tho the metro games are one of my favourite ever, so good imo
ВДНХ, where Artyom lives, is actually deep.
If you like the books, there's no way you can hear "Park Pobedy" without shivering, worst station in the Metro 2033 universe, I will always remember the chapters about it.
This would make an awesome show
Loved the Star Wars reference in metro exodus
uuuuuuuuuh Amazing! One of my favorite game series!
Also yes, the russian nihilism is... uhm... slightly noticable :D One of the reasons why I love the games so much.
Now we are aaking the big questions
The Metro series truly is a masterpiece and deserves any and all praise.
For what they had to work with, 4A made a game that blew Westerj AAA companies out of the water with 1/10th of the budget and even shittier working conditions.
Why a Western company can’t make a good, realistic, hardcore post-apocalyptic game I will never understand. It’s all bullshit like Far Cry and Rage. They have the money but as long as Call of Duty type shoot em ups are popular, why should they make a game with any depth?
If only more companies were like 4A
CD PROJECT RED not 3D LULW
It would be cool seeing Fallout 5 be more realistic in terms of Radiation.
Maybe even take place in the Metro system.
Maybe New York City's metro.... Or.... Atlanta Metro system? But eh idk.
Not watched yet but in short. Yes we could but I wouldn't recogmend it as it'd have all sorts of negative effects on our eyesight, skin, sleep,sense of time,direction and multiple other things. Ok gonna watch now. Look forward to hearin your thoughts.
I want the behind the scenes where Allen decides this is an interesting topic, I want to cover it... Oh (censored) I need to pronounce Russian names... Ahh what can we do?
He said they would fit in there, not that they will all make it!
vdnkh is pronounced vih-dee-en-kha
Just to let u know :)
Great vid
The book is a blast to read!
As someone who read the books, all you had to do was say "park pobedy" and i imediately looked over my shoulder to make sure there was no pipes near me.
No game has ever made me feel that it 100 percent deserved the money I have invested in it other than metro exodus, this game feels awesome
Ps. This is just my opinion
If Spiderbug's become a real thing then I think I'll just let the radiation take me
I'm not sure I'd wait that long.
Good one. Hello from Moscow.
Привет из Канады
Hi from Canada lol 🤣
As fantastic as Exodus was, I like the first two games better, 2033 being my favorite. I have also read all of the main books, 2033, 2034, and 2035, and I love the story. I just really liked the dark, cramped, bleak atmosphere of the earlier games. My favorite part of Exodus was Novosibirsk and the Two Colonels DLC. I enjoyed the open world, and the journey to a better life, but what I've always loved about Metro was, well, the Metro. I hope the next installment features a return to the tunnels to some extent. I'm looking forward to the movie, should be out 2022!!
So if you got to these tunnels would you be able to escape the fallout zones to somewhere you can farm? If you had nuclear reactors that could power aquaponic farming underground you might live for a decade or two but probably not in very good health sooner or later you need to be able to leave.
"If you don't mind Russian nihilism..."
* Checks degree in Eastern European history *
"Yeah, I'm sold."
Make sure you play the remastered games as they look and play a LOT better. The books can be puzzling when they mention all the different stations as my brain doesnt handle Russian well
I know he says hi friends at the start of his videos but to me it sounds like he says Ah friends.
I agree with you on the Ubisoft however i will say that Assassin's Creed Origins is unique, they should learn from that, currently working on a video that exact subject regarding Ubisoft's formula
tbf the NVKD joke made me laugh
Great games. Love them all.
Watching this video and seeing the cyber punk 2077 part
i dont mind to play the same game all the time, as long as the map and graphics are interesting
Metro and Thrawn? You sir have great taste
Well some sort of Thrawn I guess
I’m still sour how metro’s developer sold out and exclusively picked epic over steam for money for a year before coming to steam
I’d say one reason the price difference in production is the average pay of workers. You’re not gonna produce the same game in the US on the same price because (I assume) the wages for hourly work is more expensive in the US.