Real Pride Special: Hear from XXY Individuals
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- The second in a two-part series looking at intersexuality. This part looks at the most common form of intersexuality, the uninherited chromosomal disorder Klinefelter's syndrome in which people are born with XXY chromosomes. We hear from 3 people with the condition; Steph who has lived life as a man but feels like a woman, and Paula and Andrea who decided to live as women later in life. They all discuss their childhood experiences and how the condition has alienated them from 'normal' society.
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Steph is honestly the bravest man I have ever heard of. Paula and Andrea are also extremely brave in what they do. Hats of to them all, and good luck to them.
If he was raised as a boy why the name Steph?
Taking pictures is a little extreme I hope he was paid well! I am one of those parents but in the USA doctors dont seek these clients NOR do they just administer transitions!! We go through years of proof, lots of $$ (my retirement) and community rejection. I left my state, my beautiful home and husband to support the person I gave birth to. All the bibleFearing social media hoopla "dont help or support your kids who are gender confused" is Bu//sh*tsuicide ! Infuriating that social media is labeling Trans or Intersex as "popular/new/ mistakes/ or attention seekers"!! smh- There are many chromosomal make ups.
Probably STEPH. SHORT FOR STEPHEN.....BUT STEPH IS ALSO SHORT FOR STEPHANIE ! GOOD IDEA 😊❤
I was born intersex with 48 chromosomes (XXXY) and NCAH, female internally and both female & male externally. I was always told, both by doctors and family, that I was sterile and could never father any children. I was told to keep my birth condition secret, that I was unique, and that I would never meet anyone else like me. In my early 30s I met and married a wonderful/beautiful lady with the understanding that I could never have any children. To my surprise, and to the complete surprise of my entire family, my wife became pregnant with my daughter; now we have four biological children, with all four having at least some unusual health conditions, still unknown as to whether such conditions are intersex related.
Praise God! I found a scar that might mean I am but I'm not sure. I'm confused right now and looking into trying to find answers with doctors to see if I truly am or if it's something else.
@@davidm4566 Why a scar, were you hurt in a sport as a child? Intersex usually carries genetic markers, are you really a she rather than a he?
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It's so sad for them both, but I applaud their bravery and genuinely hope they have found happiness. I imagine that's been incredibly difficult.
I want to thank these people for bravely sharing this has helped me to better understand and to deepen my compassion for people I've encountered it has changed how I will "see" people going forward. God bless
Same here, folks. Thank you for bravely sharing your stories. God bless each of you ❤
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Very courageous folks. I admire their resilience in a world that probably has been less than understanding and sympathetic toward them. Rock on brave souls.
I don’t want to make light of this condition, but to my mind you have to have the biggest balls male or female to talk and teach us all, about this intersex condition. I salute you all, and hope you all have the happiest lives, you deserve it❤️
This is a huge world and our country/state/county/city is all about conforming to norms. I am also one of those parents but in the USA doctors dont seek these clients NOR do they just administer transitions!! We go through years of proof, lots of $$ (my retirement) and community rejection. I left my state, my beautiful home and husband to support the person I gave birth to. All the bibleFearing social media hoopla about "dont help or support your kids who are gender confused transition" is Bu//sh*tsuicide ! All these "Gender Reveal" parties here are nauseating! Its Infuriating that social media is labeling Trans or Intersex as "popular/new/ any mistake/ or attention seekers"!! smh- There are many chromosomal make ups. Rise above it and love a soul for who they are !!
Is it possible for the producers of this specific documentary to please consider doing a follow up documentary?
This was originally released almost 20 years ago (in 2004).
Not sure if there was any follow-up but I was wondering the same thing.
Well done video. Awesome individuals here. Thank you for the information. I hope the neighbor kids who were cruel quit that behavior and grew up and gained understanding and compassion.
If Paula and Andrea were my mom's I would be kicking those kids behinds. So rude and they are the sweetest people. Steff makes me want to cry 😭 this was an amazing DOC. I recently had a baby that is intersex, most people call him a he, because we are not doing surgery but allowing him to decide when he is older. He is happy right now. If he decides that he wants to live as female we will address it before puberty.
Very wise move♥️🇳🇿
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Acceptance is always the right choice. He chose you as his mother because you are wise and loving. Bless your family and may you fill it with joy.
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If by addressing it before puberty you mean go through with a surgery I beg you not to, no matter how your child feels. Let him wait till he's a legal adult, till he's gone through the awkwardness of puberty. Medicalising doesn't need to happen, as you've acknowledged, and he was born that way for a reason. He is whole as he is, and always will be.
Thank you for sharing your life with us. You are all so brave. Wishing you love and a peaceful life as you step into the future
I know these people can have a hard time socially and mentally. However, I actually think their conditions are pretty cool. They can live, think, and understand as a man and a woman at the same time. If that isnt a higher perspective, I dont know what is. I not only see them as special humans, but also quite impressive.
It was so great that they all got to visit each other!
You are all amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your stories 💖💖💖💖
Thankful for the Klinefelter awareness, but we are men. I had breast removal surgery, at 15. There aren’t any other female parts. This documentary is slightly misguided, and the most extreme examples of the condition were selected. It was very relatable though. Depression is a part of the condition, and I can’t remember not being depressed.
There’s not much in the way of male parts either though.
Can you imagine chilling in your living room naked while someone takes photos of you. Awkward
talk about " up close and personal "
All, this the medical profession has done to intersex folk.
How can people be so cruel? These are real people! They should be treated with respect. It’s so sad that they can’t just be accepted as they are. People need to wake up.
Agreed, I will never understand it, and it's why children should be specifically taught this. In the 1960s and early 70s in Catholic School, one of the songs we sang was :They Will Know We Are Christians By Our Love. One verse was we will walk with each other, we will walk side by side, and we'll guard each man's dignity and save each man's pride , and they'll know we are christians by our love, by our love, and they'll know we are Christians by our love. (That was before things got so WOKE that they had to stop using that song,. as "person" didn't make a good substitute for 'man". smh.). That line ALWAYS stayed with me. But parents still need to hammer it home bc I still remember witnessing lots of terrible cruel teasing from some students towards other students. I regret not having the assertiveness and even courage to intervene when I saw this.
The street kids ? Ultimately what is behind this kind of behaviour is fear, fear of difference to initiate a fight or flight response, where of course when there is strength in numbers it's preferable to fight, for fight is potentially more profitable as it contains within it personal elevation. Fear of difference can be absolved through education.
Testosterone pills and heavy weights
It will be many, many decades before humanity gets over its religious and cultural indoctrination. It will happen, I am certain.
My God how brave this person is.
It is a shame that Paula was not "allowed" to update her documentation on her birth certificate as female!
They seem like some of the nicest people. Shame on the people who harass them. And since Paula is biologically XXY, she is XX OR XY. Her birth certificate can say F OR M, depending on which SHE chooses.
XXY isn't mosaism XX/XY
Having watched this doco, and knowing that as many as one person out of fifty are MEDICALLY neither male nor female, or perhaps both; hopefully that will affect our arrogance in "knowing" for another person which gender they should be recognized as.
This was originally released almost 20 years ago (in 2004).
Not sure if there was any follow-up. Can't find any info online.
Wondering how these folks are doing two decades later? Hopefully doing well.
I just want to give big hugs, support, love, and thanks. You are beautiful people!
Absolutely love the brothers bond!! What a gentle sweet family. All the best to everyone. You are all amazing people and we value you
Brave people each and every one of you!!!
People get so fearful about things they can’t comprehend...and turn that fear into horrible behavior!
Love you Steph, Paula and Andrea.
May Christ continue to bless and protect you all🙏🏿!
Thankyou for sharing.
How can the legal profession say there is no in between when there is CLEARLY in between.
The problem with law is that it based on the past.
Intersex is a birth defect between the two sexes.
intimacy must be the hardest.
I cannot imagine.
Fortunately for those of us that have difficulty in that respect intimacy need not be sexual.
@@Coelacanth1 that's when you know you and the, other person really love one another for who you are, I for one always thought sex was ten percent of a, relationship don't get me wrong I'm not saying that what you are going, through is easy I can't begin to imagine what you go through is easy, I'm saying that there are people out there who don't need to have sex to love you like you deserve and want , I hope you find that person soon God bless ✌️
@@rosemcknight3256 Indeed for I concur for the past five years I have enjoyed a very close sexless relationship with another for as soon as stopped trying to be what I congenitally could never be, I attracted a partner. Not that I was looking through having resigned myself to a lonesome life, another found me to teach me what true love was about for there is something else in this sexless relationship ; a spiritual connection, I have never felt before to in event discover spirituality and such spirituality, it's like it's all coming at once, am even able to sense the spirit of places, the animi loci where it resides. The cause of my life's pain and confusion was an intersex condition discovered in my mid forties of which explained much, to enable me to firstly stay my hand i.e, stop thinking about death, forgive myself my life's failure for not being what I wasn't to cause me to step off the ever destructive ; ' why circuit.' Thank you Rose for your considered and kind reply.
It would be nice to have subtitles!
When was this filmed, doesn’t seem to be 2021 when it was posted
I did know about this because someone my mother worked with had a step daughter who had this condition. At least 40 years ago now. She had an operation so she could have children?
I'm so sorry for them, how hard to fit in and be accepted. It obviously doesn't really happen.
This is why we need to come out of the puritanical past. Early diagnosis, puberty blockers to give non-typical people time to consider, gender-affirming services, and support for those who want to continue being intersex. This wouldn't even strike us as odd if we hadn't been keeping it in the dark for so long. Klinefelter's is far from rare.
No, it is rare. That’s an established fact and they also state the fact within the documentary. But that aside, (and I could absolutely be mistaken) I feel like you’re conflating trans issues and intersex issues.
@@ascent8487This only ONE form of gender anomaly in humans. There are many, MANY more. You cannot say “It’s OK to disregard them because they just a minority - who’ll miss them anyway?” Leave your inhumanity at the door, please.
@@wordscapes5690 what on earth are you talking about?
@@ascent8487 LGBTQI+ issues are ONE.
Intersex conditions can't be fixed. Born intersex, ya die intersex.
Intersex people are all special and nice people. I’m not too accepting of gays or transsexual due to my Christian beliefs (don’t hate them, just don’t accept their choices), but I’ve accepted Intersex because they were born as a bit of both. I like that they can think like a male and think like a female, that’s unique. And if they lean on what gender they feel more within themselves, that’s totally understandable
Yeah Christianity is responsible for a lot of bigotry and hatred.
and by shifted I mean like their brain can be in an intersex like state in regions, the video talks about evolution too but I wanted to show you the brain tests and scans part for homosexuality
Did you choose to be straight? Hell no. Being lgbq+ is Not a choice and not a sin. God made us all. Jesus is about love..non judgment and acceptance. Period.
i appreciate your honesty and respect. However, I would like to clarify that people don't choose to be gay or transgender.
People most likely were born with these identities. Think about it this way-- If you could choose whether to be accepted and live life easily, would you choose to be marginalized?
Kudos to you for your advanced understanding as regard intersex folk but I think you will find if you look your church is historically no friend to our kind. For what would your church have seen of us before Dr Harry Klinefelter recognised us, in 1942, for sure wouldn't it have seen ' gays and transexuals ? ' But beyond that, there is Genesis question to consider for to accept our kind is to challenge the very bed rock of Abrahamic belief. But given your apparent acceptance of us, may I recommend a book that may interest ; 'Men, Women and Intersex in the image of God by Meghan K De Franza ', in fact if you look on this site, you can find DeFranza talking about Intersex in the image of god.
While I feel deep compassion for anyone who foesn't
"conform" to societal "norms", I believe so much more could/should be done both by the medical profession and
society to educate people about non-binary people and the problems such people face. They deserve so much more than derision and name-calling.
Societal norms?! So the entire animal kingdom is wrong ?!
Everything is on a continum. Life isn't black or white, it's multiple shades of grey.
I dare say they would if they could, well, some of them at least, but I would suggest they won't through being intelligent enough to recognise the danger to themselves if they dared to challenge the status quo.
Im so glad your parents didnt do surgery on you as a baby I too would have allowed you to make that decision im sorry for all the bullies who made fun of you They always find some way to bully a lot of people in all walks of life You were born that way
Steph may laugh and snicker alot, however, I feel that is a sign of alot of lifelong inner hurt and turmoil which they have endured. I feel so bad for them and hope they know that they are not alone. Blessings to you that you get all your prayers answered.😊
So brave. Great documentary.
Fascinating video! I like the music, too.
Why is it blured out for peeks shake..
Ignorance breeds fear in the ignorant and uneducated.
The "why have you not transitioned earlier"question sounds so innocent. It actually is better to transition late than never.
It is scary, that the youth did such a bad thing as to calling names and pestering them. It should really be taught in schools more openly, that the Gender binary is superficial and leaves no room for Trans and Inter People.
Too bad, it has been not checked in childhood or latest, when puberty did not go as it should have. And that so many Inter people had surgeries to make the genitalia look normal, but risking the sensation with them.
It really is about time, the medical profession leaves the decision what to do surgically to the Inter person, and let the kids know about their different genetic makeup, so they learn and be able to decide, once they are old enough.
Same with Trans, some kids get an early sense of wrongness, but do not have the words for it. Educating the kids about the possibilities is not "bending them to trans agenda", it is giving them the tools and words, they need to find their gender identity.
In some way, Trans is a similar phenomenon as Inter, and treatment can be hormonal and/or surgical and make life easier with less depression.
We are going backwards. Even the Mayan recognised a third gender.
Schools? Shouldn’t parents do this? How much should be on teachers shoulders and when do they get to teach actual subjects? They already have to tie shoes, teach stranger danger and good touch bad touch, anti-bullying, tornado, fire, and active shooter counter measures, be mandated reporters of sexual, psychological, emotional abuse along with the mounds of paperwork that goes with that, be certified in all kinds of inclusive teaching techniques along with literally hundreds of specialties. No one ever volunteers to do this.
@@christyfortes2275 Actually yes, we do volunteer. When we're on the other side and planning our lives. God never puts anything on people. We come with full and complete knowledge of what will occur in our lives but we agree to forget so we can go through the experience in an honest manner.
We are Eternal Souls having a Human experience in order to learn and grow to be more loving.
We want to have our lives, our Soul loves every aspect. 💖
Wishing them the best.
This I can handle. It was the way you were born. Your non -flamboint, non showy, just living. It's the people shouting from the rooftops I find hard to deal with.
Nailed it !!
Thank you for the video it was very interesting now I know more about some people I know that seems that way and a child I knew that didn't have his puberty I didn't know why not saying who it was but leave it that way maybe he got his puberty late in life I don't know
I had a cousin that was born that way and I remember I was a little girl when she was born and I remembered my mother's talking to someone that they operated on her because she had something growing there and she got married later in life but never had children I didn't understand and her and her husband adopted two children now I understand thank you
Klinefelter syndrome, are not typically classified as intersex. This is because XXY individuals do not exhibit a discrepancy between their internal gonads and external genitalia, and they generally do not have both male and female characteristics. The Intersex Society of North America (ISNA) has historically avoided applying the term "intersex" to individuals with additional sex chromosomes, such as XXY, unless there is clinical evidence of intersex
. The 2006 Consensus Statement on Management of Intersex Disorders, published in Pediatrics, also does not include XXY individuals in its definition of intersex. Approximately 50% of men with KS will have sperm detected with TESE/microTESE, of which a 50% pregnancy and live birth rate can be expected
But these two have ovaries
@@stevencorrea8032xxy with sry problem?
We are all human beings. It sickens me to read any negative comments. I read a post saying that our society has gone insane, with regards to transgender people getting surgery. I don’t understand these ignorant ppl, they’re so I’ll-informed & apathetic to others. I wish they’d understand that there are so many mental & physical issues that transgender ppl are forced to deal with-and a little compassion would make this world a better place. Just because ppl are born “different” doesn’t mean they’re any less deserving of happiness & respect. To all those in this video, I wish them peace & comfort & thank them for their courage. 💛💛💛
Intersex is different from being transgender.
I'm so sorry about what you all are going through. It's a terrible, terrible thing that you've been put through. I don't understand it as well as you do, but I feel for you and I pray for you that God would heal you and make you who you're supposed to be or you seem like very nice person s maybe you are who you're supposed to be cuz you're very sweet all of you. God bless you
I am Marisa. I did a blood test 7 months ago to test my Karyotype or sex chromosomes. . I wanted to know whether I am XY or XXY or whatever. So far they haven't told me the result. I wonder why. Transitioning at 66. 8 months on estrogen and blocker . God bless all Intersex people.
@41:17, thereabouts…fifth finger clinodactyly. It’s a Klinefelter symptom. (6/10 of my fingers have clinodactyly) I’m always searching for it in others, and it’s in that frame.😊 It’s also a symptom of Jacobs syndrome, and it occurs with Downs syndrome.
@40:28😂, that’s funny. Memory loss IS a thing with Kfs. I find that I end up walking back/forth, a lot. I wander around stores, hoping I’ll see what I went there for. There’s extreme discalculia. A load of psychosocial problems. I don’t tend to dwell on the problems, though.
I have to Say that Steph is cute AF, and i wouldn't say no to dating him, he has a Lovely personality and a great Smile. and he'd make a Lovely Hubby to a man one day, and if ever we cross paths, I would definitely spend time and get to know him as he is the Most bravest guy I've seen on this show!
I don’t think it’s as hard as it was years ago , things have changed to how they were years ago and people understand more . The guy at the beginning taking photos seemed seedy to me , very seedy
The two brothers are adorable
Thank God they're Dr. bills are next to nothing . From the US .
God bless your journey❤
I wish they would get fashion & hairstyling help. I think it would make a positive difference for them in public.
Very interesting
Thank You👍🏽
Having a lot of medical problems could also be if he had an older mother as the eggs are not as fresh. You can have your eggs frozen at a young age these days if you wish to leave being a mother till later in life. There ihas been rare cases where the eggs have not survived but it is rarer these days. My dream was to have 2 children. My husband and I would not have continued to try over the age of 33. I conceived within 2 weeks at the age of 31 and even then the pregnancy was difficult compared to my first at eighteen years old
And there is many of us born to parents that were in their twenties, for it to have been suggested blaming ' old eggs ' may in fact be a form of medical misogyny
There for the grace of god Best of luck to them
paula is lovely i wish they were my next door neighbours wish ppl would leave them alone hope theyve moved God bless them xox😊☺❤🙏👵💐
"Atleast I get Viagra on prescription"
commercials? no thank you
Good luck Paula.
So why was Steph having closeup photos taken of his genitalia, and posting them on some site ? It wasn't in a medical context , but pornographic ?
I was born a woman and I feel like a women!.., So, I have no idea what this would do to a person?!
Obviously Steph as well.
If I were their parents, believe me, they would need to run if I caught them
I would get cameras and auto to show the police the harrassment Film doesnt lie
My respect to the people living with this genetic condition. The existence of this genetic anomaly does not explain the identity delusion happening in trans kids. 0.1% of cases Klinefelter in USA does not explain 5% of kids identified as transgender when they do not have this anomaly. The existence of Ectrodactyly (lobster hand) another rare anomaly does not cause people to affirm the existence an spectrum of people with a variety of fingers and people identifying such as, when they do not have this condition.
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Klinefelter Syndrome is not the only intersex condition, but in fact one of more than thirty other variations.But KS only affects what appears to be males they say, well no it doesn't for there has been discovered XXY's with a natal female phenotype.
@@Coelacanth1 The other intersex conditions or variations are not really intersex, since there is always a sex" male or female defined by capacity to produce sperm or ovuls. All these conditions add them up represent less than 1% of the overall population. This does not explain the more of 4% of kids that are self-diagnosted as transgenders, when they do not have any of these conditions.
@@fpattbergfpattberg7825 if a being cannot produce sperm or eggs due to natal condition then by both biological and in most jurisdictions; legal definition that being is neither male nor female to be referred to as intersex. And the intersex incidence of occurrence is ' currently ' 1.6%. But does one have to be intersex to identify as different to one's appearance?
@@fpattbergfpattberg7825 But by what authority do you claim other intersex variations ' are not really intersex' ?
What is the reason these folks were not treated with testosterone?
Same question
If they have AIS, it's basically like giving them Estrogen.
Strange that there are now women who now suddenly remember that they are actually men and decide to enter men's contact sports....
Are you talking about people born male but took hormones to live as women? Sorry but I don't understand why you have a problem with them in men's sports.
If they were in women's sports, chances are they will be called out for "cheating" because they were born with a different genetic makeup than other female contestants. To avoid this argument, they enter men's sports. Does this clear it up?
I cant emagen how hard its , not knowing what i am, or get told laiter way my body behaves as it dose . Find God and he will help you to finnd direction in your Live , Be strong for each other .
Why can’t they do HRT and surgery like a trans person to be the gender they identify with? They at least have a little more to work with. Modern medicine has come so far.
Edit: just saw on his computer screen 1995. Maybe psychologically it’s not as cut and dry as a trans person. I wonder how they’re doing now? (This is 28 years ago) I wish them all the best and hope they found peace and happiness.
Sometimes they do, but sometimes hormones don't work.
Can they have babies
No intersex can not have babies most are sterile if they are XXY or. XY, a lot of time when they are XX, they are missing an organ or not enough hormones. I haven't heard of any inter having children, but there are people who are just male and female that can't have children either.
No generally not. As far as I know most are sterile.
Why is that relevant? Prefuctary problem of perception
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It is relevant. Lots of people want to have children. Including intersex people.
I only know one intersex person. (That I’m aware of.) She cannot have children. And yes, she lives as a woman.
Not important....I'm a woman, fully and I couldn't have children...There's more to life than breeding.
Da mi am dat muie trist?😅😢😂🎉
Girls invite me 9ver one nite garentee you won't have no more neighborhood problems..you do have an aluminum bat ..?
Gross autogynephelia
Not transgender.