Why did West Ham decide to move on from David Moyes? | Kaveh Solhekol explains
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
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Kaveh Solhekol talks through West Ham's reasoning for parting ways with manager David Moyes at the end of the season.
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Why? V Arsenal 0-6, v Fulham 0-5, v Chelsea 0-5, v Palace 2-5, v Liverpool 1-5, v Newcastle 3-4, v Man Utd 0-3, v Bristol City 0-1, v Forest 0-2 . ....Leverkusen away - 33 shots to West Ham's 1. Repeat - West Ham had 1 shot ALL game. Average 30% possession v anybody...500 million spend and we are worse. That's why you dopy pundits.
Quality. What a silly little cow she sounded.
Clueless pundits.
it's astonishing how clueless these pundits are
If we hadn’t been made loads of promises about going to the next level to move grounds our expectations wouldn’t be so high. 62,000 people don’t go to watch the opposition play football and us sit in a low block.
Spot on
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Rome wasn't built in a day mate small steps or you fall flat on yer face, he won us our first trophy in over 40 yrs & we have been in Europe for 3 seasons running, why wasn't he backed with more cash as that's what's needed to compete with the big boys, the team has gone as far as it can go with the current squad, you can't make a ford focus compete with a Ferrari no matter who you have driving the car 🇬🇧⚒
@@TheWESTSIDE1967 moyes has decimated the squad, we’ve got such an old squad on high wages and it’s tiny. He was offered loads of players in jan but decided Phillips was all we needed. I accept going to the next level takes time, but we could’ve kicked on this year after winning the conference league. His mentality is wrong, plays against a clubs history and not their current status. For example, he fears Man Utd and Chelsea when they’re no good anymore so we can compete with them. If he was braver I would have less issue with him. West Ham are a maverick kind of team people shouldn’t want to play but we’ve become all too predictable. I thank Moyes for the trophy and some good memories but it’s become far too stale, I can’t keep travelling up there every other week watching the crap on show. Btw the board are just as much to blame as Moyes for the lack of ambition.
Moyes was offered a contract and the contract probably said going forward you must do the following:
●Use youth players
●use the whole squad. At least 17 of them
●no more than 5 defenders on the pitch EVER
●buy a striker this time that actually suits the way you play
● stop letting players you dont like rot on the bench and losing value
●stop sitting back and defending against 95% of teams
● stop playing defenders up front to save the game
●stop giving the opposition so much respect
● and if you cant do any of these points at least use youth players
He read this contract and said il be. Damned if im doing that.
Tim said ok.
And showed him the door
The end.
Idiotic comment
Great answer; very original an sums up majority of answer given on this page
Well observed..
For a manager who boasts about his defensive teams, then to have conceded 70 goals this season with our goal keeper having at least 10 MOTM performances and still have Man City to play. He sold Fornals, Benrhama & Thilo in Jan and didn-t replace them, three players that were vital in Europe for us and are much better players than we have on the bench now!!
We were nearly relegated last season with Rice. Yes the Conference league whilst brilliant to win, we played one good team in that whole campaign and that was in the final, where they were far better than us, we did a smash & grab job on that night for sure!!.... We are also 17th in the form table since January, which would find most managers out of a job!!....
To be honest that was probably the chairman
You are spot on 👍
The media don’t mention ANYTHING you’ve just said. It’s bonkers. Outside of European competitions he is easily the worst performing manager still in a job in the whole of Europe! That stats do not lie.
Your evaluating a manager of many years of success on foursmonths of results, with one of the oldest defences in the Prem. Very smart. Takes a transfer window to fix it.
@@512Squared We saw what he wanted if he had been granted that oppertunity. Maguire and Mctomminay and refusing to sign a striker. He was insistent on Kalvin Phillips and everyone but him could see how that would turn out. He's widely known as Dithering Dave because he takes so long to pick players.
Lost the plot after Christmas. Letting Fornals, Benrahma and Kehrer go, was a big mistake. It left us desperately thin, and the Kalvin Phillips signing was a disaster.
Sullivan is also to blame
Yes, David Moyes did a great job overall, but conceding 70 plus goals this season or 5 and 6 goals in a game is unacceptable. I will always think of his time at WHU as successful, and have fantastic memories of all 3 European campaigns. But, if Man City can get promoted from third tier football and 25 years later be European Champion, why can't West Ham hope to be top 6 contenders rather than a Premier League Mid table team. If we can't dream big, what is the point?
Vicki clueless
Why are WH ‘punching above their weight’? They are an established premier league side that have 60,000 every week, they have a huge fan base outside of that - they were promised success if they moved stadiums, they’ve got some excellent players, European champions and huge history - why are they punching above their weight? Why are these cliches not thrown regularly at Villa or Newcastle?
Cos the wealth of the club puts them about 9th
@@512Squared so they should be up the top end then yes? So they’re not punching above their weight - the pundit is basically saying WH don’t deserve to be where they’ve been
@@512Squared⚒ 14th richest club in the world 🤔
@@leeemery8099 8th highest wage bill in the Prem.
@@512Squared 👍🏻
If you look at money spent, wage bill, etc, 6th or 7th is not punching above our weight. Lazy journalism and top six bias being demonstrated yet again. Well done - give yourselves a pat on the back.
West Ham are currently 8th in the 5yr net transfer table and 8th in the salary total table, so 6th 7th is above par.
@@beatonthedonis 6, 7, 14, do the maths
@@Chinaski1983 Irrelevant. 8th is par regardless of whether we finish 1st or 20th - by the very criteria you specified but couldn't be bothered to double check.
@@beatonthedonis well done - you are the best
@@beatonthedonis I came on to say the same thing.
Ask him what Prem team wants Moyes now
No one...
Is this presenter related to moyes she seems very upset about the outcome 😄
Andrew7780 she was probably moised by him aswell in some shape form of way🤣🤣
Everton got fed up with Moyes's style, now WH have. Life goes around in cycles: Cycles come; cycles go... That's life. Next.
6th, 7th a couple of years ago...relegation battle all last season and relegation form in 2024 including the most number of goals conceded in the Premier League ever with awful football to boot. Yeah really a mystery.
spot on - i'm absolutely sick of the "careful what you wish for" narrative
4 wins this year says it all
He didnt sign the contract in December, because the contract stated that he would only be team coach, and that Tim Steidten would solely be involved in transfers... Because hes a bit of a "Control Freak", hes thrown his toys out the pram, and not signed it..
I don’t think it’s because he’s a control freak, but because he’s old school Arsene Wenger once slated the idea of working with director of football
@@yuni360 yea but Wenger and SAF were winners whereas all moyes has is a 3rd rate euro cup
@@mercedessl8718 yeah for a 3rd rate club if that's the point you're trying to make
Look at the loses column the last two season, 70 goals conceded this season so far !!!
Cherry picked facts
Rookie numbers
West Ham are the 8th richest club on revenue in the Premiership. In historic terms we would be considered to be punching above our weight. However we should be qualifying for Europe and we have the second highest average attendance at 62,438.
Supporters of ALL teams should have high expectations of their team and be allowed to dream of being better and more successful. Yes, fans need to be realistic but a teams 'weight' and whether you are punching above it or not is irrelevant. Otherwise what's the point?
Smallest and oldest squad in prem. most defensive manager in the league yet we’ve conceded second most amount of goals. Defensively minded manager who implemented his style of play and it hasn’t worked. Moyes wanted Phillips no one else did. And look how that’s turned out. Had some great players come and go because Moyes couldn’t adjust his style to implement quality players. No youth team players being given an opportunity. Listen I’m grateful for the memories but let’s be honest we won a Micky mouse cup and faced no one until the final. Hopefully Amorim gets the job
for Gods sake, we did not qualify for European football 3 years on the trot, last year we finished 14th so only got into Europe based on winning the lowest European Cup, which based on budget anyone in charge of West Ham would have won it
Exactly, we were favourites. And West Ham are favourites for nothing ever! It just shows how easy it was to win it.
She doesn’t know what she’s talking about: our league form since January 2022 has been dreadful and we’re shipping goals! If your tactics rely on low-block defensive capability you cannot concede 70 goals as we have this season. He spent nearly £450m in the four years and we currently have the smallest and second oldest squad in this league - his last season at West Ham has been very poor and awful to watch.
“Moyes has a fantastic CV”. We’ll forget the Man U, Real Sociedad and Sunderland shockers though…..
We had a wonderful 2 years under Moyes but the last 2 league performances have been atrocious. Just do some research, look at the stats it’s embarrassing for Moyes. We saved his blushes. For a defensive manager we’ve shipped 70 goals this year. Only Sheff Utd are worse.
Gratefull for what? 2 years of utter dross so called defensive football concede 70 goals tactically inept decimated the squad doesn't use the up and coming young players.
And we luckily won a cup the other guys were far better than us.
We have need of a decent striker for ages and he wants defenders.
Scamacca haller bennny fornals even anderson are all flourishing at their new clubs.
We have still got some decent players and if allowed to play an attacking style in the positions they are good at results might have been different.
Glad he is going i dont expect to be top 6 etc maybe the next guy can change the style of play and restore whu supporters faith .
According to brady we are customer's!
Sullivan is only interested in his bankroll ,he only waited to see if it was mathmatically possible to be in europe before not renewing the position.
Supported whufc since 1965 through thick and thin but i have never seen times where the goalkeeper
Keeps getting the man of the match award.
You lot live on another planet.
bang on right fella, bang on right
Think this is the best thing for the club long-term.
There's clearly tension between the sporting director and Moyes because Moyes is an 'old school's manager who wants control of everything, particularly transfers. If it's true that he turned down other January deals and decided that Phillips was all we needed then I think that's a perfect illustration of why he needed to go.
The signings made by the sporting director, Kudus, Alvarez, Emerson, Paqueta, are the best players in the team right now. By disregarding other 'club targets' and giving the manager complete control you become beholden to their judgement, when it works it's great, but when it falls apart or they leave then there will always be massive reprocussions.
Massively grateful to him for giving me my best memory as a West Ham fan, but I think it's right that we part ways now. The football has always been workmanlike under him (to put it nicely), but we're bringing in players that can play a more attractive style and still do so effectively. If that's the club's aim then Moyes has shown that he's incompatible with it.
Genuinely hope he can go to another club where he gets the control he needs because he could still do a great job for another PL side, and he seems like a top guy!
Back in the kitchen Vicki fs 🤦♂️🤦♂️🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱
He cannot take us any higher or further, it's simple, we would like to challenge in Europe every season but with Moyes we were slipping backwards, top teams change manager and don't get this scrutiny, why us?
I think People forget the effect European football has on clubs with slim line squads especially when playing on a Thursday evening and then a weekend every team I can remember sees a massive impact in the Premier League performance when trying to push for the Europa League.
Have you see us play in the last 2 and half years dull entertainment and 30 per cent possession no young players giving any chance not getting best out of international players, I rest my caseits not where we are it's the style of football which is dreadful
Lopetegui not my ideal choice but Moyes has lost the plot these last 2 seasons and his tenure has ran its course. Criminal the amount of goals weve shipped this season nd simply not good enough!
"it was confirmed yesterday wasn't it " was that a question to the viewers ... how odd.
West Ham finished 6th the season befor Moyes took over the first time, and 10th the second time. He was given far more grace than the people whose jobs he took over.
And saying they want to win and play well is nonsense. They just want to see more than 11 players behind the ball every match. And if you’re going to defend, actually do it and don’t concede more than we have in our PL history.
Moyes wouldn't sign the contract put on the table because it took away his final say over the choice of signings
Probably the most under appreciated manager around. Top half and a first trophy in about 40 years, not sure what West Ham expect? They don’t have the money to compete with the big clubs and before Moyes they were usually fighting relegation! Good luck to them🤔
The only decent football we saw was the 6 months we had Lingard in the team, other than that the football has been beyond putrid. He’s flogged 34 yr old Antonio to death , because he couldn’t work with Haller or Scamaca. If the guy has such a glittering CV i take he’ll be in the frame for all the top jobs available in the summer.
Sounds like Moyes was trying to be Arsenal Wenger in the transfer window:- had the money but never spent it and was too reliant on the squad he had.
As an Arsenal fan, I agree. Late Wenger was in terminal decline save for the couple of FA cup wins. The fan base was in a state of revolt. In short, bad times!
Because Dagenham and Redbridge have also won the conference league
“ fantastic, CV” SACKED SACKED SACKED! Brilliant, CV
Moyes never been sacked?
Won 1 trophy in 1000 + games. Excellent!!!🤯
@@NdumixoMoyes was sacked from Manchester United and Real Sociedad. On record, he “resigned” from the Sunderland job after relegating them which is probably the club letting him go in nicer terms.
We defo won't be regretting getting rid of Moyes! Next bloke may not work out like any manager but wouldn't want that dinosaur back or sad that he's finally gone
How long do you think it takes Kaveh to order lunch?
I still can't understand how people outside of west ham don't understand our opinion on Moyes. Yes he won us a european trophy, a dream i never believe I'd see in my time. BUT. We were shocking that season in the prem, and we've been unbelievably disappointing in the most important parts of this season. Remember we've been sold a dream by our owners on top of this. Moyes 100% should have gone after he lifted the trophy. That was our moment to push on, but no, we kept him and all he did was destroy the depth of the squad and bring Phillips in...
Half a billion net spend in five years just to be told that we’re “punching above our weight”
Is Kaveh's tie made of chainmail?
Looks like it is
Pity he doesn't tie it across his mouth, talks absolute shite
I could see Moyes going back to Everton tbf. He will probably get a few offers from multiple teams near the bottom of the prem table
Not the right move. But we don’t know the full story. It’s possible he has adversaries within the grounds not perhaps the players.
Why are the media so bothered about Moyes..MOVE ON !!!! No one gives a toss that Man Utd want to out Ten Hag why is that ???
How many times can you say "punching above your weight"!
West ham are a mid table club at best you know it
@@Thailandfc24Newcastle are a mid table club so are villa so why ain't they punching above their weight?
@@waynephillips3234 villa are far from a mid table club European cup in the locker
Newcastle have challenged for the league not too long ago 1996
Where do you think west ham should be ?? Big premier league team be mid table and odd cup run is the standard and won’t be changing
@@Thailandfc24 in the last 65 years west hams average league position is 8th, Aston villa's is 9th and Newcastle's is 10th, west ham last won a trophy in 2023, Aston villa last won a trophy in 1995 and Newcastle last won a trophy in 1955
@@waynephillips3234 8th 9th 10th exactly the position west ham should be in
Anywhere between 8th and 14th don’t see why you don’t agree
To be fair, I think Davie Moyes time at West Ham United has come to a natural end.
But I think that he should always be remembered as the man who won West Ham their first European trophy of this century and he should be welcomed back at the London stadium and respected for his efforts during his time at the club.
I hope that he is able to find another club sometime soon, perhaps take a wee break and recharge his batteries in the meantime (as soon as the season finishes).
Maybe he fancies a shot at managing the Scotland national team, or another wee stint at a club on the continent after his spell at Real Sociedad or maybe one of more ambitious EFL Championship clubs.
so are the owners going to spend big to make these big changes happen in their style and play, i can only see west ham struggling and will be looking for sam allardyce to keep them up lol
Not perfect, but I think he should be given more time, Rome wasn't built in a day! They have about 14 points more than they did this time last year!
Tell me why david moyes has a fantastic cv? One trophy in 25 years of management, 70 goals conceded in one season so far for a defensive manager relegation battle last year , low block even at home against any team top or bottom of table , sacked at Manchester United for being the chosen one , in all but a couple seasons at Everton he was in a relegation battle or at least bottom half. Please tell me what other fans in premier league want him as their manager? All these pundits on sky sport or talk sport aint got a clue they see one trophy win and expect that to be enough for moyes to stay regardless of league form over the last 2 seasons.
All the teams above west ham started the season fighting for champions league football. The grass is always greener eh?
Still scored the most goals this season as wedt ham the club is a joke moyes has done wonders just be careful for what you wish for? Playing good lovely football however battling relegation each season or tightening up and pushing top 6 each season? West till i die and well done mr moyes you are a legend ⚒️⚒️⚒️🇬🇧
Moyes back to MAN UTD😂😂
Only someone who doesn't watch West ham play would ask this titles question...
Skysport, tell us the top 15 club moyes will be joining? Tools you are.
Correction, we have never enjoyed the dross he serves up.
We dont like our decimated old small squad...shocking media
Fantastic CV?
70 goals conceeded is crap whoever you support!
Memo No.1 to the bird who's running this interview - actually listen to the person you're interviewing love, he's telling you, via stats, why Moyes has outstayed his welcome. Memo No.2 - Simply stop lying to suit your narrative love. Memo No.3 - perhaps a bit out of your depth love? Stick to netball, know what I mean?
The grass is always greener on the other side. I’m not a West Ham fan but I think Moyes deserves some accolades
"Punching above your weight" what a clown
He gone cos of four years of low block sucked the footballing soul out of the club and the fans...
No idea when playing defensively was called "low block" but it's got to stop.
Professional punditry is dead…would sky sports pundits endorse David Moyes as Ten Hag’s replacement? I don’t think so….
When ariola is probably the player of the year and conceeded 70 + goals.
Dont forget we scraped relegation last season.
6 placed ,7th placed because the premier league is poor.....dohhh!!!
He deserves everything he gets. TAXI!!!!
"Punching above their weight". What lazy, sloppy journalism.
I think Sky are punching above their weight.
What is she on? He’s got a fantastic CV!!!!! Oh so perhaps Bayern or Liverpool or even Man U again will take him.
These journalists should spend less time giving Moyes a tongue bath, and watch the crap I’ve had to endure this season. 12 months too late in my view. Ridiculous commentary.
Errrr results
Was no contract, sully knew he was a gonna -why do you think he was given no money in January-because he'd wasted loaads and lots-3 lg wins in 23 games and playing the worst football I've ever seen-that couldn't go on so it's ok for you to have a say when you probably never saw a full 90 mins at the bowl
finishing 3 rd next season .no you’ll be lower 🤦♂️🤦♂️🙋
No squad depth because of moyes so has to go unfortunately
Why do Sky pundits keep banging on about "what he has achieved" - his CV is utterly non-descript he has one ONE trophy in more than thirty years and that was the Inter-Toto Johnsons Paint trophy of Europe. In what world is that a good career Sky? He has frittered away many tens of millions of pounds in highly talented player value that the owners have lavished upon him. What West Ham should have done is kept hold of the 200 million pound squad and got a decent coach in not one who thinks the centre forward wears number 4 on his back!
David Moyes to United
Because he wasn’t good enough. There answered skys question.
3 wins all year
Cus he is Dino stuck in the past
Your see how bad he really is when u see the next club that employs him!!!
Look at his mis-managerment
He doesn’t have a fantastic CV! 🙈
I think Moyes is moving on from west ham.
Who wants Moyes?
Cos he used players in wrong weak positions, used the oldest against the youngest ,fastest in the Prem league. The PLAYERS won the euro cup by playing their way not Moyses. We also had Declan Rice. Like losing 3 players when sold to rivals. Outsiders including sports presenters like this do not understand enough about West Ham to comment as they have. Second hand info is all they used in this video. Speak not of what you know not. What a load of waffle.
Fed up with these idiots defending Moyes. Tired of explaining the obvious to people.
Why we punching above our weight I stupid woman! Not seen how much we have spent or seen 62k stadium full every week!
OMG what is it with this 'Moyes is great, why are you not extending' crap? These endless reports are for the people who don't have a clue about West Ham, only that they won a cup.
The spirit of relegation is in their DNA next season they will be relegated 😂😂😂😂😂
The West Ham way..😂 not even a road name..😂😂..They will be fighting relegation next season...😂😂
This bird talks absolute bollocks, we ain’t getting results and what are villa doing this year, they are in champions league places but they never get branded as over achieving
Conference League😅😅😅😅 I'd rather be in the championship.
What a ridiculous idea
No you wouldn't
Vicki just sit in your chair and watch the tv, learn about West Ham and understand why us whu supporters are not happy,!
Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for look at Manchester United at the minute 🙈🙈
It’s stunning, from an outsiders point of view, that Wets Ham fans don’t appreciate what Moyes has delivered, what do you expect? Where have you been without him? You would have been relegated without him, the grass isn’t always greener…
Because he’s cheap
Sounds like west ham fans would prefer all out attack and fighting relegation - they are in the position I always expect west ham to be in
They are a decent mid table / above relegation zone team / club
That won’t ever change
Go back to your ladyboys, as you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
So do you think that's good enough for a club that has the 2nd biggest attendances in England and the 15th biggest revenue in world football?
@@waynephillips3234 that’s just west ham for you mate - over achieved last season still not happy
@@Thailandfc24 how have west ham overachieved? West ham get the 2nd biggest attendances in england, have the 7th biggest revenue in England and have the 4th richest owners in England
@@waynephillips3234 when was the last time you won a cup ??? When was the last time west ham finished in the top ?? Give me a break
Man utd
Man city
Liverpool
Chelsea
Newcastle
Villa
Arsenal
Tottenham
All bigger than west ham - they sit exactly where they should be
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Gosh this guy is really good at talking nonsense…
Disagree; Kaveh Solhekol is actually one of the better journos on Sky. He's one of the few correspondents at the moment who's been giving a more balanced view on the Moyes situation. At least he's looking at it from the fans P.O.V aswell, unlike Sutton or Merson.
@@PaquetasCar2147 umm he’s a reporter so to quote Roy Keane “that’s his job” unquote… where as those two clowns Sutton and Merson are neither reporter nor journalist, they are commentators… they don’t really need to maintain the same level of impartiality as a reporter or journalist should
@@randomcon123 okay do what about Jim White then??
The waffling duo are back again. Whenever I see these two, I know we’re in for complete misinformation and a waste of time 😂😂
Carragher said it best on The Overlap, what do West Ham think is going to happen? Who do you think is going to come and save you? Moyes saved you from relegation and got you to where you are in the table, and you complain about the style of football. Fine. But don't complain when you get an attractive style of football and get relegated. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener
Because he’s crap