How To Prepare For Fall Lawn Renovation and Overseeding
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Fall is right around the corner and here is your complete guide to preparing for a full lawn renovation or overseeding project on cool season grass.
00:10 - Why Do A Lawn Renovation?
01:12 - Why Overseed Your Lawn?
02:27 - When Should Your Start A Full Renovation?
04:02 - Should You Water After Killing The Lawn?
04:43 - Don't Forget These Important Preparation Steps
07:31 - How About Soil Testing?
11:34 - Rundown of Full Renovation Steps
14:53 - Rundown of Overseeding Steps
18:58 - What About Leveling Your Lawn?
20:12 - Fall Fertilizer and Weed Control
21:11 - Important Last Step
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Hey Ryan.......I followed your steps and Renovated my front lawn last year and it turned out AMAZING
2:29 'Start renovation about 6-8 weeks before frost date.' Not only that, but also when shade hits your lawn cause of less daylight. By october my lawn is full in shade and it gets pretty wet, frost usually starts somewhere november/december. I have to start renovation in august to have the renovation succeed. In spring renovation starts later, usually in april in stead of march.
You might consider pre-germinating your seed to help get it established quicker.
My rule of thumb for the past couple years has worked well, I do my aerate and over-seed the first week of September. I do fescue in the back yard and PRG in the front. It’s been 4 years now and it’s starting to look pretty uniform but I see patches of junk I’m tempted to kill off 100% and overseed with PRG. But over the years I’ve been seeing reasons why I think my overall soil health isn’t as good as it should be. Seems to be sand heavy loam. Wondering how I can fix my soil. My grass goes dormant really fast in a couple spots.
Upping the odds for giveaways
Question for late fall. I have been battling Creeping Charlie, Wild Violet, and Clover for the few years we've been at our house. I bought T-Zone (or the equivalent). From what i understand, putting this down late in the season is best for these weeds in particular. Is there a specific time period after new seed has germinated before putting this product on the lawn?
You'll have to check your specific label to be sure but it's usually it's 3-4 mows on the new grass
I personally love these longer-format videos on Sundays.
Took me a good 20 hours to make this
@@ryanknorrlawncare I'm sure! It's very appreciated.
Very much appreciated@
Just wanted to say I have a killer backyard now and I've got you and these videos to thank, bud. This might sound hyperbolic, but it's nuts to me that I watched all this stuff for free, from home and then just...followed it. There's a lot of bad crap going on in the world but if I'm being a glass-half full kinda guy, I'm still in awe of what is available at my fingertips.
Thanks, Ryan!
You missed a 4th and 5th scenario. 4th is your lawn is more weeds than grass and 5th your lawn is so uneven that might as well do a full lawn reno while leveling.
I’m excited and anxious about my first lawn reno. Been planning everything since spring. Sprayed glyphosate 3 days ago. There’s no turning back now.
Great job on this video Ryan. Very informative, right to the point, and covering nearly all scenarios us average homeowners would be facing.
This is making me not want to do a lawn reno😂
How about a short cut on the existing lawn before over seeding? I'm planning to take my TTTF down to 2" before overseedig to reduce competition
If you can cut it lower, go for it.
I am doing the same. Might even go 1.5” on mine.
As low as you can get it
Finally! Been waiting for this.
awesome video! so helpful! loving your channel!
QUESTION: With the aggressive Fall program of 0.5 pound, every week, can you do that AFTER OVERSEEDING?! I had bare spots and not so thick of a lawn, so over-seeded/fertilized late September... shall I now apply 0.5lbs Nitrogen a week (our weather is still warm)?!
If we’re overseeding with a KBG/Fescue mix what would a generic lb per 1000sq/ft be?
That will depend on the percentages of kbg to fescue...
Thanks for all you do, Ryan! I attempted a late spring renovation with your 80/20 BG/PRG and I've been fighting crab grass all summer (had a very old zoysia lawn). I'm in SW Indiana. I've given it multiple applications of Drive XLR8 with MSO (thank God for the Sprayers Plus backpack sprayer), but it just keeps spreading. We had some freak heavy rains followed by a couple heat waves, so only about half of the lawn has stayed. I'm having an irrigation system installed (probably in November) but they'll have to install a second meter (likely in October), so I'd like to restart the renovation again in the fall, but don't want to have to kill everything off again if half made it through the summer. Any suggestions on targeting crab grass prior to another renovation without having to kill it all off with Glysophate? Thanks again!
First Aussie 😁. Ryan, an encyclopaedia of lawncare knowledge dealt out today mate. 🤠
Hi, I've been following you on youtube for a while and I really appreciate the stuff you give in your videos. In fact, I would like to know if the products you use can be delivered to Canada? If it is possible, I would like to have the procedure. Many thanks in advance and keep up the good work.
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From all the comments, you should probably discuss the difference between sead heads, quack grass and crabgrass since they all look the same to the untrained eye
I’m I. The middle. Killed my back yard and planted KBG 3 days ago. Min waits.
Great detailed video as always. Looking forward too seeing how these helpful tips improve my yard. Thanks!
I am looking at your Perennial Ryegrass seed, and wondering how many pounds / 1000sqft. did you do in the sample picture? I am assuming I need 2 bags of 25lbs. for 4800sqft... But I want it to be super dense and thick and I saw where people that did sport fields were going with 15-20lbs / 1000sqft.
I did around 7 pounds per 1000. Once it matures it gets really thick so I wouldn't want to go too much over that. Those rates you saw would be more for overseeding bermuda where you already have an established grass in place and you're trying to get rye to grow over top of it for the winter season in the south. It's a crazy concept but it works.
@@ryanknorrlawncare Awesome, I am in the Upstate of South Carolina near NC and have a full common Bermuda lawn currently at 1" that is doing really well (so far) .. It was all brown after a scalp about 1.5 months ago and it's thick and green now. I plan to scalp it down in early October and was debating over KBG vs PR to overseed.. I was worried the new KBGs would compete with the Bermuda a little more next summer.. and since KBG spreads with rhizomes like Bermuda, I wasn't sure if that would make both appear thin.. Your rye mix looks like it is a great color and can be kept low and would be better than a generic KBG seed!.. This is my first season of lawn care ever. I have watched hours and hours learning as much as I can.. I also saw that it's good to make sure my Bermuda isn't on its first year, which I confirmed with Google street view 😂
@@Lej blue is too slow to get established so rye is the way to go for an overseed. It will need to be sprayed in the spring to remove it from the bermuda so it doesn't compete
@@ryanknorrlawncare is spraying necessary because my HOC would be low to begin with? I see guys keeping there's around 3-4" then shocking it down to half an inch to kill it off as our summers are brutal to the northern grasses, although it seems to be a crucial point to begin watering the Bermuda as well. So maybe spraying is the way if I'm going to try keeping mine low to start with.
@@Lej it really should be sprayed because these new ryegrasses withstand heat much better than before so you don't want it competing with the Bermuda
Can I kill my grass in the fall and plant in early spring? I started killing my back yard but didn’t realize the time frame for planting new grass, I live in New York
I just tried to top dress my yard with soil. I however live on a slope. We just got a downpour of rain and I’m wondering how to go about fixing all the ruts that I now have. Please help!
So I did a soil test and it came back with my phosphorus really high and a deficiency in potassium, moving forward to a overseed in my yard soon should I still put down starter fertilizer on the entire lawn..since that's high in phosphorus?
You won't really need it in that case
Excellent video Ryan, what's the background song?
One of your best segments. Very informative. Thanks.
Quinclorac says you can seed after 7 days....has anyone have experience with this?
When you’re overseeding/spreading out the seeds on the lawn in the fall, would you just lay out the seeds and leave it in or would you suggest putting out some Pete moss on top of it? Thankyou kindly…
As he states in the video, typically a top dressing is not necessary during an overseed but you can do a light layer if you feel like it.
@@stevewode Thankyou
Ryan, do you have any videos on how to deal with dogs and heavy foot traffic
Why is doing this 10 times harder in Denver. I can't even get grass seed to take but my yard is clay
Sir, I don’t have words to say how helpful this video was. So, can you please tell me how to deal with hard rain when I just put seed out. I have a big lawn that is almost 100% crabgrass and clover. I normally would kill or pull out all the gloriously healthy crabgrass and replant seeds. We’re still 3 months from first frost. Should I actually just leave them in and overseed my weed lawn with your seeds so that my seeds don’t get washed away? when the new grass is a little older and the crabgrass and clovers and wild violets starts to go dormant, just rake them out? Then use pre emergent in early spring. I’m worried that if I kill it all now and put out seeds they all will sprout up together and the crabgrass with choke the new grass seeds. I can’t spray with a pre emergent can I?
If your 'lawn' is almost all weeds i would spray it all down with glyphosate about two weeks before seeding. Then follow the new lawn renovation portion of the video
Perfect timing on the video! Just when I needed it 😀 New home, lots of planting. Cortez Colorado
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Good luck from Colorado Springs 👍
I live in SE Michigan and have a pretty nice Kentucky Bluegrass lawn. I want to do a mild lawn level and overseed...can I do a 10% KB 90% TF seed to keep it hardy and green or should I stay with all KB? Also, do you have a preferred seed brand?
Where in SE MI? Both United Seeds and Seed Super Store are good. If you haven’t already, order your seed now.
If it's bluegrass now I'd stick with that
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@@ryanknorrlawncare thank you...appreciate the advice
If you want to start over from scratch wouldn't it be better to use a sod cutter to completely remove the grass rather than trying to kill it with chemicals and scalping/dethatching?
No because what's in the soil will still come up after you start watering the new grass seed.
Is there a Ryan Knorr equivalent for warm-season grasses? Most of the St. Augustine guys are the embodiment for "Florida man", texas based guy here
Bermuda would be probably the closest look to our cool season stuff
is Tenacity good for all grass types? (PNW)
I wish I could pull out cords that long. My soil in Jersey is mostly clay and rocks. I put the soil prob in and I am lucky to get 2 inches before hitting a dead stop. Even if the soil is wet.
I use hoses and sprinklers for my irrigation, with a timer. If I leave my hoses out for an extended period of time will the grass grow around my hoses? That might be a dumb question. I’m just wondering if ill see a hose pattern once the seed germinates.
You'll need to keep the hoses moved periodically if you want anything growing under
Hello Ryan, and nice to meet you. I've been watching a few of your videos and I think you're doing a great job. I'm not at all educated in lawn care but I want to be, and I also don't have all the tools that you use. I live in NC (I have sandy soil) and I'm a homeowner who's inspired to have a nice-looking lawn but I really don't know how to but I do the best with what I know or think I know. I try very hard but with little to no real results. I don't know anything about what kind or type of chemicals to buy or use on my lawn, don't know what I even need to help the lawn. All I do is try different things and hope for the best.
I'm working on my backyard right now - I started a couple of months ago (again) by tilting the soil and throwing in fertilizer (10-10-10), seeding the lawn (laying pine straw on top of it) a few days later with tall sun/shade fescue grass, watering twice a day with very little rain (early morning and late evening w/temperatures in the 90's +) right now I have a small amount of grass but I should have more growth and I feel like giving up. Maybe I should purchase a step-by-step guidebook, and do some homework before trying again. I also installed an inground sprinkler system (3 zones) water supply from my well. Your videos do help me understand what steps are required to grow beautiful grass but I do not understand how to apply your lessons and techniques, to resolve my scenario. Do you have or recommend a step-by-step guide I can follow and what chemicals I would need to treat my lawn? Thank you and take care :)
Randy
Red Oak, NC
Patiently waiting for Fall to dive in... I need to start the leveling process as my mower jumps around on me quite a bit now. Am I wrong to do things in the following order ~late August/early Sept (cool season Kentucky blue here in Western NY). Going to mow low (2"), dethatch (have a sunjoe 15''), core aerate, level, fertilize, and then overseed. Too much for the yard to handle? 6,000 sq feet so planning on grabbing 8-10 yards of topsoil to start and see where that takes me but I know leveling just right will take a few seasons.
And Ryan I’ve been using your recommended PRG seeds for 3-4 years. Seems like my soil needs help. I’ve seen pictures of other PRG lawns that do fine in the heat but mine checks out quickly w heat. Do you have any recommendations or videos on how to fix your soil? I mow at 2” and I dethatch regularly and aerate annually.
How much to have you come to Long Island and save my lawn? I dont know if I should renovate or overseed...The main section I want to redo completely, the smaller sections are OK...It was SO great at the beginning of the year and has gone to complete sh!t! I may have to admit I have no idea what I am doing... I throw myself at your mercy... ;-) Love the vids...
Or like me you have a lawn with random natural grasses.
I just ordered 100 lbs of seed. Next I'll be ordering glyphosate, a bigger seeder, a lawn leveler, peat moss, starter fertilizer, and a truck load of dirt! Oh and I'm renting a roller.
Wait! I can change my grass?
Because my ground is uneven a lot of crabgrass, weeds and just rocks around my lawn like a shit ton of rocks big enough break blades I feel like I need professional help
So what is the exact sequence when aerating and overseeding and top dressing.?? Is this correct?
1-aerate
2-seed
3- top dressing with Loam
4- apply starter fertilizer
5-water in
I always leave the soil pieces that come out when aerating.
Please advise thanks
You truly have the most detailed and informative lawn care tips on YT. Thank you for sharing! Just recently killed off the entire backyard, prepping for a full reno in early fall. Question: I'm in northern NJ and was wondering if I can start seeding in mid to late August. I'm sure adequate watering during this time would be crucial but is it a good idea? You mentioned to watch out for frost dates so I want to have some time to fill in spots i missed during seeding so they have time to mature before the frost hits. This will be my first attempt at seeding, let alone a full lawn reno! Wish me luck! 😅
I’m in Missouri and I’m doing mine last weekend I’m August so I would assume you’d be good
You should be fine. Just watching your watering in hot weather so you don't overdo it and pay attention if you see fungus starting
Im in central Jersey and did a full lawn reno last year on labor day weekend. Mid August is fine if you want to get a head start especially if youre going the KBG route. But make sure you water!!
@@tite732 Great, thanks for the tip.
Hi Ryan, a huge thank you! You've really helped me out turning the lawn of my new house around. As an optician I'd like to help you, I'd recommend getting round frames in a (light) brown color. Perhaps check out the Dutch brand Ace&Tate out if you're prescription is up to date🙌🏼
Great video. I have a tough time being patient with something I’m not sure is going to work or not so hearing someone else say just trust the process and if you do everything I’m telling you it will work out is really important to me. I’ve watched my neighbors till or cover their lawn with top soil and try to re plant grass with awful results. I’m being patient to learn what to do before I start but if I wasn’t watching these videos and hearing “be patient” over and over I’d have a hard time after doing all the work and spending all the money believing that it’s going to turn out well.
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Man I hope you see this...when you sand level can you overseed as well...and if so, sand first, then seed and cover with peat moss?
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Hi. I have some crab grass on my lawn. Would i be able to use Tenacity to kill the crab grass, and then manual aerate + overseed/fertilize myself?
There are some heavy green patches of grass (looks very health) and then brown spots.
Help! I recently sprayed my lawn with Eraser Max thinking it was just a more concentrated version of eraser. However, I now see it has the ability to stay in the soil and kill for up to 1 year. So chances are, I won't be able to continue my renovation. Is there anyways to reverse this or will I have to deal with a dead lawn until next fall?
Hi Ryan (or anyone else), I followed you in the last 2 years or so and this autumn I plan to have a overseeding in my lawn, problem is that I live in EU (Romania to be more precise) so if you have any suggestion of where I can get seeds, fertilizers and any other products for the lawn it would help e a lot.
Thank you!
May be too late to put in a question --but when overseeding with a KBG/Perennial Rye mix, how long, if at all, do we need to stay off the lawn? We have flower gardens we hand water every day, so need to walk on the grass to do that.
Great video Ryan. I live in Minnesota and will overseed this fall. Would you recommend KBG/Rye mix or KBG/Fescue mix? Thanks!
Ryan, my 1.5 acre lawn is full of weeds and lawn debris/thatch. I want to overseed this fall. When should I apply tenacity and when should I use my electric dethatcher? Which should I do first? When do I apply your lawn seed? I live in Ohio.
Great vid! I have a situation where I’d like to overseed, but have a lot of weeds. Do I get rid of weeds now, in the fall, and plant grass in spring, or do both now?
Thx😣
So cool Ryan. This morning I tried to daisy chain 2 rotary pulse sprinklers and found my water pressure won’t support this. Two gear driven sprinkler heads do work however so going to give that a go. Got a tuna can measuring the output. Cheers!
Hello Ty for content, im new to laen care just bought my home one yar ago its half weeds half grass cool season here, want to overseed to get the patchy look gone KBG 😊 does aeration have to be done its kinda compact in high traffic areas. Or can I just seed with topsoil? Ty in advance just trying to see the easiest way to just get more consistency in my lawn.
Great video, Ryan!
I have always been a lawn guy and one of my neighbors even calls me “The Sod Father”
We recently purchased 20 acres of farmland in NW Indiana that we will be building a new home on. I realize I won’t be able to keep up my current level of lawn but still want it to be as nice as possible. My specific question is about a seed type called Black Beauty Tall Fescue. My research is showing a dark green color with a very deep root structure so it is quite drought resistant. Your opinion would be appreciated! Thanks and keep up the good work!
3rd time back just for fun
No Tenacity/Meso on Fine Fescue though
I was about to start a renovation project for my back yard lawn this month but I found out that it is infested by chipmunks. I need to solve this big problem before doing any lawn renovation or landscaping.
any tips on bird deterrents when overseeding?
Hey there Ryan, perfect timing on the video as I just received my new bag of seed. I see that Paul & the gang are really making fast progress on the house/shop! I'm really looking forward to my build with them! I was seriously thinking about ordering a California Trimmer (reel mower), since I can get it on sale, any thoughts? Take care and don't work too hard!
Great video Ryan. We are getting a new paver patio and walkway coming from the driveway to our screened in porch. The contractors say there is going to be lawn damage. There is a roughly 3,000 square foot area behind d where the paver patio is going with a variety of different grasses. I would love to make it actually tall fescue back yard. Should I kill all the existing grass back there or just spot kill the areas with the grass types I want to get rid of. Or is there a better way to do it? Thanks. I am in Northeast PA.
Hey Ryan..I am thankful for the longer description of lawn care that you provide. I’m a beginner working on my lawn in central Texas along with the high heat this summer working with the tall fescue under the tree. Thinking about applying more overseas to the whole lawn what do suggest?
I have GCI cool blue tttf in my backyard and it has really struggled this summer. If I have to water it regularly then I my has well match it with my Kentucky bluegrass front yard.
I will be doing some over seeding. Probably go all fescue. I have an area really thin out after so much of it just laid down. I always have issues on this side. Its a small strip south side. Watering did not seem to help. Did all other fert and insect control. Right now all this dry and hot hot days its mostly going to sleep. I have to either hand water or sprinklers. This race never ends !!
Hey Ryan, Thanks for this video. Its been pretty helpful. I wanted to buy one of the ebooks and noticed that you have the one for care and one for overseeding and renovation. The Ultimate Guide to Cool Season Lawns, does it include information about overseeding or would need to buy both? I'm in Maryland and really looking into the overseeding this season with all your recommendation. Thanks again
A couple questions ..
How long do you keep your dogs off the lawn after applying Tenacity? Does morning dew or rain a couple days require pets to stay off lawn until the grass is dry?
hi do you have any videos on bermuda grass?
Propicanozole after overseeing helps speed up germination as well as limit fungal problems from multiple waterings per day.
Helps to have a guy that knows his stuff, especially since I'm also from central Iowa. Great content and very clear. Much appreciated!
Hi. I am a newbie in lawn care, and i have a question. I have sports in my lawn where the grass has grown biger and after mowing i was left with straws. Will the problem solve itself or do i have to manually dig the straw like grass from the ground?
Recently sprayed the lawn with weed control for the second time (stubborn crabgrass and wild violet). Excited cause seems like perfect timing based on your video! Going to do some overseeding on what we seeded this spring. Thanks for the info!
Hey Ryan what was the starter fertilizer you put on your spreader? Im thinking of doing that instead of tenacity spray
Would you recommend using Hydretain at time of overseeding if you're not using peat moss to cover?
A physical covering of the seed is best
Awesome presentation and thanks.
I had put new sod in April which has kind of settled but the grass is not healthy. The soil is clayey so not sure how the sod will pick up and establish roots.
Should I overseed with fertilizer then put topsoil ?
Did you level with screened soil after dethatch and before you laid seed?
sorry just got to that part. :) whoops
Great video! I’m looking forward to getting to work to make my lawn look great this fall! That lawn leveling tool would be a great help, if you’re thinking about doing a giveaway, choose me! Lol
Hi Ryan, I'm looking to do more of an over seeding approach on my lawn rather than a full renovation this September. I'm curious what your thoughts are on if aerating of the existing lawn is a good idea in prepping for seeding (maybe after dethatching?) or if it would be best to just wait and aerate in the spring?
What if I hate my soil because it’s mostly clay? Should I still do the same process but bring in topsoil or compost in a solid layer, level, seed, and peat to cover seed?
What if I don't know my main grass type and it's overgrown with weeds and there's another grass type mixed in? I'm in a warm season area.
Ryan, i currently live in central illinois, cold winters, hot summers. our soil is pretty much all sand. what do you think the best grass type i should plant?
Purchased a bag of your Elite rye seed. Planning a full renovation of my front yard. Seeing how great yours looks, if mine is half as good I'll be ecstatic!
Ryan, can you create a video going more in depth to how you’ve successfully grown grass in your campsite area? My parents have a lower yard that is very similar to that area, surrounded my trees and not much sunlight. Over the years moss has taken over and killed off the grass. What are your suggestions on overcoming this and maintaining a healthy lawn in an environment such as that so that we can avoid moss taking over again? My dad had an accident last year and hasn’t been able to do much so I’m trying to help do this for him so that he doesn’t have to worry about it.
Late spring this year we had a sewer line break in our backyard. Got a good patch of dirt that is now weeds. Waiting for then Temps to drop here in Iowa!
Thanks for the help and awesome content Ryann...really appreciate it and please keep the videos coming...any other tips or thoughts are greatly appreciated
What if i have a tree in the middle of my lawn? Do you have any recommendations on killing the grass?
Thanks Ryan...nice work on the videos! I have about a 450 sq ft to renovate this year...my first real test.
Hello Ryan.......good point to start something that i havent done in my lawn yet....👍👍👍👍👍👍
Tip for people is Peat moss is helpful not only in its capabilities of holding great moisture but telling you when it needs water.. It will be reddish when thirsty and dark brown when good and wet.. I use peat moss over straw for many reasons better moisture an no weed seeds no clean up mess..
Have you tried out the groomer cartridge for the Swardman yet. Wonder if that would be a good step for opening up the canopy for applications.
Can you just use a slit seeder and place the new seed through the existing (non sprayed) grass? Any pros or cons to that method?
Am I dumb to think I could overseed fescue into buffalo and it will gradually outcompete it?
I don't see that as a possibility
@@ryanknorrlawncare appreciate it