They used their Ai and it lied to them - this is just what expected greed makes shortcut and all those genous were fooled by what they call "ai" Guess next Intel wants to push same Ai design on all Intelchips so everyone can experince the same experience as Intel - Good times
10nm vs 5nm. They increased the power to keep up with amd 5nm chips and that's what caused them issue in there. Big mistake... A Very Big Mistake. Let's see what will be the future with Arrow lake (tsmc 3nm or intel 20A)
@@tao4124 When I got into building PCs, it was the other way around with AMD pushing their bulldozer-chips to (for the time) ridiculous power levels... but these chips didn't burn out. The Fx-9590 was rated 220 Watts.
@@KR4FTW3RK intel uses over 250, but problem in some cases seems to be cache that was changed between 12 and 13 gen, and 13 gen was 11 month rush job, and 14 gen is just a refresh
Imagine thinking intel needs to "keep up" with amd. Check their price caps. Like saying the USA needs to "keep up" with Cambodia. I'm sure Cambodia is beautiful and has many nice things. But let's be real. They might lose some sales for these chips. But that's a hiccup for them.
i do always use intel and always given better than retail unit too, i did buy ryzens on some machines and they all perform very well, great gaming cpus
Yup, this is the year (well next year more likely) AMD will completely overtake intel on the desktop, laptop, and server and intel will become the minority share of the market. I could honestly see Intel failing within our lifetime if they keep this up.
Intel was dead to me the day they integrated the Intel “management engine” on their chips totally outside of the users control. Even Andrew Tanenbaum, who wrote the OS it was built from, has decried it as thinly veiled spyware.
@@thathandsomedevil0828 . Nobody knows, but I'm sure its function is to open your device's 4ss-cheeks to Pegasus, why? Because Pegasus is sold for millions of dollars, and it even includes customer service! That business would not be viable if Pegasus depended on a vulnerability (as it's often said) that can be discovered and patched at any moment. That means Pegasus takes advantage of hardware-level backdoors: "Intel Management Engine" (for Intel) and "AMD Secure Technology" (for AMD). Supporting this theory is the fact that the FBI requested computers without any of those backdoors.
Here's the truth, a little bit of inside info: There is no bad microcode, the mobos are not broken, there are no flaws. The issue is with the CPU's architecture. You see, since the 12th gen intel started including the Efficiency-cores. Now those cores are running on the same bus as the Performance cores. With the last 2 gens (13th and 14th), to keep up with AMD, intel just drastically increased the clocks. This clock increase is severely heating the bus between these chips. It was not designed to run at these frequencies and temperatures, hence the obscene amount of crashes. Intel knows this because the guys from the QA department brought this up to management and management said "Fuck it, let's just milk these last 2-3 years since we are on the verge of releasing the new re-designed series." This is why they avoid doing anything because they know they can't fix and it's why they've been shifting the blame for so long. They are pushing for time. I know the whole story behind it, I simply chose to stay quiet for a long time because of reasons. I advise downclocking to 4.4-4.8ghz and the cpu will operate flawlessly, unless yours is broken after such a long time of running at the high clocks.
"...a bunch of electrons dance on a rock" is so funny, yet accurate it hurts. Building a processor sounds like the hardest job ever. The resulting product is magic to me.
I mean, we did figure out how to turn lead into gold a while ago. The problem is that it is very energy intensive and the result is usually radioactive. So turning sand (silica) into something worth more than gold was a close second.
It's honestly still bonkers to me that we don't have to pay 1000s of dollars to get a chip that can run billions of operations per second with such precision... the absolute ingenuity behind getting this to an affordable price is bloody impressive
I usually never comment, but today I made an exception. Why? Because I want you to know that your comment is really funny, and I after a few minutes still have a smile on my face Keep being badass!
Been playing WoW for 20 years, never had any significant issues. Until i got an insane gaming pc last year with one of those chips. Nearly had to give up playing, crashing every 5 minutes and spent dozens of hours troubleshooting. I defintely believe everything that is being said in this video.
@@axjkhl7699 i didnt say i only played wow or that i played 10 hours a day, did i? But no, why would i think that? It's been a blast, made great friends and other stuff. What was wasted?
How did two generations of processors launch without Intel noticing the issue during QA? I imagined their QAs were very thorough and exhaustive, that is an epic failure.
@@ilikecybermen1036 Uhm I guess literally not focusing and putting employee-skills at the top where DEI could directly or indirectly affect the quality of the whole company and it's product. Especially what OP said, Quality Assurance.
Intel (burning inside)™ 14900 L Sewage Lake aka (Sandy bridge refresh refresh refresh refresh), now with 500W total power dissipation and 1% general improvement compared to last gen competitors* *=on 65W power saving config 2133MHz memory clock Talk about snake oil salesman tactics... (They accused AMD officially)
This exact thing happened to my brand new 14th Gen i7 laptop I bought for work. The motherboard lasted 2 months. Luckily I bought it from Lenovo and I think they did applied some firmware that declocked the CPU. The tech guy who came to my house to fix it said that they were purposefully overclocking these chips and didn't care that they were going to go bad but didn't think they would start to go bad this quickly. Hopefully, they'll do a recall on these and I can get my money back if this continues.
If not, there is one tool that enables the hidden bios developer mode (if that backdoor is still there) from where you can reenable userspace under/overclocking and voltage control. Another method was holding fn while off and swiping your finger over some keyboard rows then turning it back on.
Wow, I didn't realize quite the bullet I was dodging when I got a cheap 12700k a year back rather than something new. I even got a free NVME drive with the open box motherboard (hiding under the heatsink). Crazy luck in retrospect.
Yeah for AMD it's great. For consumers, not so much. If Intel shits the bed completely, we will be eventually facing another Nvidia-level monopoly, but this time in the CPU world.
People forgot that previous architecture had a problem with hyper threading and Intel solution was.. turn it off, both for old chips, and current ones that don't have it anymore. Don't know if it is incompetence, or planned obsolescence, but is close to becoming a pattern.
Amd was known for their chips burning about a decade ago and fixed the issue and left intel in the dust. the only people that still use intel should be large businesses that refuse to change and still use massively outdated intel chips. Amd outpreforms at every metric and has for a long time, including cost
I personally purchased a 14900k and immediately ran into issues with the video memory issue you mentioned, spent weeks going down insane rabbit holes and replacing everything. Only to find out that the default bios settings essentially cooked my cpu, fast forward to me ordering a 14900kf, undervolting, and using all the recommended power settings provided on intels website... only for the 14900kf to slowly fail over time as well... Intel has pretty much lost me as a customer for a very long time, I've had no issues with either of my AMD systems.
I ran into a dude who insisted that failure to undervolt an Intel K-processor counted as user error. You don't have to worry about Intel running out of customers any time soon.
Pretty sure the "don't be an early adopter" motto reigns supreme to this day. It's never failed me. If you look at every hardware manufacturer, they have stories like this throughout the history of time. Intel, AMD, nVidia, Apple all of them. This isn't something new. It comes with territory of "having the latest and greatest" hardware.
If u want high quality Ryzen cpus it’s better to get the 7800x3d (expensive but is stable and rivals both 13th and 14th gen intel cpus in performance) the 7600x if your just trying to get on am5 (still a very capable processor)
I still run 6th gen. Meanwhile my mom has 3rd gen. Neither of us has any issues. Then again we both aren't really power users. I game occasionally, but it's mostly sufficient for the kind of games i'm playing
I bought a 13600k for my new (first) build. I enabled the intel default profile and it has a massive cooler (idles at 35c). I'm praying that my i5 will last. If not, I can't waste time switching out the mobo. I'll just get a 12700k.
This is a crazy vid. Thanks for reporting on this. I started having these issues almost year ago on my 13th gen. Drove me nuts. Thought it was nvdia the whole time but then managed to narrow it down to my CPU. Disabled all my E cores and now finally no more crashing on anything... But thats like a majority of my cpu...
@@ilxplaycope harder. Then your Intel that eats almost 4x more power to barely catch up with AMD will get 9% performance hit before going out in flames. You can then quote Cheech and Chong's "up in smoke, that's where my money goes" xD
It's not like every failure results in a crash. Imagine all the non-crashing data corruption these could be causing. Definitely won't be getting a PC with one of these in it.
After the patch: Corrupting things no one notices until it's impossible to trace 😅 I think it's their new marketing strategy to sell more chips - they just turned the dial up too much at first.
@@adreto2978 issues can be in all raptor lake chips, including i7s and i5s, also laptop chips.Yes, on warframe posts>75% of crashes were i9s, but in the rest you had 14700 and 13700
I have an I5 14500k. I thought it was just me who had this problem: my PC would crash randomly and blue screen. My browser would crash some tabs and say that I didn't have enough memory. I reinstalled Windows, and the issue persisted. This video explains a lot!
@@gildg7806 I thought about that, but the problem is that it would be too expensive. Switching to my current CPU cost me ~ $500$ because I needed a new motherboard.
@@gildg7806 we are going to witness AMD become the new villain in the CPU market. I am sure they are going to increase their price tag because the completion will likely die for a while due to Intel's idiocy.
Got a 13th gen chip this past year. Been in contact with Intel for months with these exact problems, specifically issues at X referenced memory. Intel has been "clueless" about this issue when discussing with me and won't cover the warranty replacement or refund. Have had more help on random intel forum posts and reddit from other people who have these issues. Finally, I have been able to get a SOMEWHAT stable fix when underclocking the voltage, but still super disappointing.
Holy shit yea that was INSANE. The fact that even got approved, and went through the upper management who thought "yea, this looks sane, lets put this out PUBLICLY" is bonkers. Gamers nexus ripped them a new one :D Like holy fuck, that is really what helped with my next cpu being amd...
Mine has been stable for over a year. I did however change some settings in my (gigabyte) bios the moment I got the chip.. In case you are interested: limited the wattage to intel recommended, disabled all gigabyte overclock settings, set the ac/dc loadline preset to medium (which slightly increases the base voltage iirc), undervolted the chip when under heavy loads using the vf points. (-100mv when all p cores are at 5.5-5.8ghz, -0.8~ at 5.4, -0.6 at 5.3 etc). I also reduced the SA voltage to 1.2v from the mobo default 1.28v. These settings have left me with a perfectly stable chip so far and no performance loss in benchmark. My ram is running at 7200mts with tuned timings using buildzoid recommendations and some experimenting myself. Hopefully I managed to accidentally fix my chip before it started degrading lol.
Oh shish, I would stop trusting intel after their infamous tripple bug on all processors that was 5-6 yrs back... bad luck anyway, you don't expect to be that scammed bying from intel
@@Bramagonyou have an unlocked chip right? So why purchase an unlocked chip just to do all this? This means they basically are false advertising their unlocked chips and their is no reason to unlock them
@@cameronroman506 Undervolting can increase performance while reducing temps and noise. This was the main reason I initially experimented with these settings. Unlocked chips also tend to be the better binned chips that allow for bigger undervolts without having to lower the frequencies. Overclocking nowadays doesn't make sense because the chips are already pushed to their limits by Intel. Also, another reason for doing all this is because I like experimenting with my hardware :p.
Bite the bullet and go with AMD . The 7950x3d games are waaay smoother. I think the lags and micro stuttering was related to my 13900k. So far the 3d cache and ccd works correctly 💯 of every game. The newest AMD drivers and uefi updates fixed everything
I am so very, very, glad that I went with 12th gen Intel. I bought my laptop 6 months before 13th gen came out. Having "new" CPUs coming in 6 months was a concern of mine but I went with the model I chose. Phew, that was close.
This video validated my experience with my 14900k for the last year... ive had every single one of these problems and have had to underclock using extreme tuning utility to not bluescreen constantly. Im so mad i didnt just stick to amd
First time ever to use an amd for me was at the beginning of the handheld pc era and I must say I'm really impressed! Took it a step further and decided to try one of those pre-built AMD eGPUs and again it hasn't disappointed at all! Watch out Intel!
Loaded up on INTC puts after watching this video when it was first published. At the time of writing intel is down 30% in 1 day. Thank you fireship Edit: Typo
Admitting it publicly, means admitting fault, and admitting fault means admitting liability for a massive class action lawsuit, and and admitting liability means line go down and line goes down means no extra billions.
"Diversity, equity, and inclusion have long been Intel’s core values and are instrumental to driving innovation and delivering strong business growth." I mean they say it right on their website
That's what happens when you just keep dumping more and more power into them instead of making actual architecture improvements, just to claim the highest clock speeds. Doesn't matter how high the clock speeds are if the chip burns out and doesn't work, you get no clock speed.
Their at the very limit of what architecture improvements they can implement. Problem with Intel is they refuse to spend a dime on improving how much cache their stuff has. Intel machines could be lightspeeds faster if they simply added more cache to their chips.
@@honkhonk8009 Cache size depends directly on transistor density, and this depends directly on manufacturing technology. As Extreme Ultraviolet Litography is reaching its limits, improvements in manufacturing have become ridiculously costly. Intel produces it's own chips, while AMD uses services of TSMC. TSMC benefits from industry wide funding (for example, they also make Apple chips). I don't think Intel "refuses to spend a dime on improving how much cache their stuff has", it's just insanely costly.
What if Intel knows what's the problem? Meaning unfixable hardware mistake. CPU's would have to be replaced, which would be super expensive for Intel. They will rather say we don't know the issue, if your chip dies, buy a new one.
Phenom? FX series? LLano and any other APUs? Sempron? And don't even get me started on Single Core/Thread performance. Sure, you might have 256 thousand cores, but that doesn't mean much when 99% of software can fully utilize four of them. Want to play the milsim ARMA 3? Better not have an AMD.
Uh you know what , Arma likes cache. You know what lots of cache is in? X3D. Even crappy optimised games like star citizen runs faster with that cache.
@@TheeGlocktopus Did you just wake up from some sort of experimental cryosleep program?You're about a decade behind in your Anti-AMD trash talking. Intel chips usually have way more cores than AMD chips nowadays on account of them tacking on 6-8 "efficiency" cores to everything. Hence we get "14" core i5s that perform like an AMD 6-8 core cpu but will win in multithread benchmarks that use the extra "efficiency" cores. You're also behind on the notion that only 4 cores get used. Alot of AAA games in recent years really suffer or won't even run properly on anything less than 6 physical cores. You're supposed to be complaining about AMD cpu firmware having bugs at launch or Zen 2 processors being in the Zen 3 lineup, or something like that.
Wait. Isn't AMD an American company too ? Driven by the same moral values as intel and boeing ? That is greed, and more greed ? It's only a matter of time before similar issues happen at AMD (outsource anything and everything to india and wherever, don't raise employees salaries, raise top management's salaries to silly amounts, cut costs on innovation, etc...). Our hope is that the Koreans/Taiwanese/Japanese take over this industry.
@@johnsmith-ro2twZen 5 will be a real wake up call for a lot of people. It's obvious AMD is positioning itself to announce some insane MSRP's with Ryzen 9000 series.
So around a year ago my coworker was building a new machine and it keep crashing and that thing uses a i9 13900K. He sacked the CPU over to me last February and I couldn’t figure out why it was crashing randomly eithe. I ended up contacting intel support to see if I can RMA the thing, but then told me to turn on Intel Fail safe mode in the BIOS, which then stopped those crashes. That was back just back in May. I mean, I got a free CPU, so I shouldn’t be complaining, but I can’t believe this shit is only being discovered now. I legitimately thought this i9 I have was just a faulty one off
OEMs wont complain about this because Intel has bribed them but the customer service department will have a bad month dealing with continuous complaints from customers.
I had a problem with Vbox and VMware where enabling 3d accerleration would lead in a 99% chance of the guest system crashing. I thought this was some kind of NVidia problem but no, probably my 13th gen intel core i7 processor.
Insane that I a comment about this, literally like 20 minutes ago I had to turn off the 3D accel because Ubuntu wouldn't start after upgrading from 22 to 24 LTS. 13700KF too, guess we're all fkd
Intel's issue is that this seems to be a hardware problem... probably. They can't RMA these chips because they don't have a working alternative to provide. Replacing a faulty chip with another faulty chip will only create extreme customer frustration. The alternative is "Buy AMD" and Intel will never allow that. Intel is trying to buy time for the next generation where hopefully they fix the issue. What they do with the millions of faulty chips is yet to be seen.
This is getting me bad vibes. I've bought a 13600K last January to replace the parts of my PC, and by now it's still working great, but after reading and watching this, I don't know what to think about. I hope not to spend another 300-350 bucks on a new CPU.
I've crashed twice in two days. Its been right after launching valorant and as soon as I load into the game the first time. When I reconnect after the reboot there isn't an issue. Got a 24hr ban for it hahahahah.
Underclock and undervolt doesn't solve it. Heck some say the opposite might be needed. This is a complex issue and it seems like all of these CPUs will deteriorate at some point. I would consider returning it if possible.
This literally happened to me 2 months ago. Had a i9-13900KF shut down, bsod, gpu error, screens turn off all randomly degrading over time until I RMA'd the thing, had it replaced with a i9-14900KF and literally had the same issue and had to be replaced by yet another 14900KF.
If there is a trade in program in the computer stores near you, you could use it to sell your Intel motherboard and parts and trade it with AMD Ryzen processor and motherboard at much cheaper additional price
The problem is now well known, it comes more from motherboard manufacturers providing default UEFI settings, not following specs recommanded by intel. Check everything and set manually every setting related to the CPU at the 1st start in order to follow CPU's specs, and your CPU should be fine, if you run default settings without a check, you are basically playing russian roulette with your CPU, with default parameters that over-volt the CPU when not needed (it's normally done for overclocking), even at default frequency, it's slowly destroy the CPU in a matter of weeks, and once done, the CPU is irreversibly damaged. Remember kids, it's not the frequency that kills a CPU, it's the voltage. I wonder if the problem exists at all with a 13/14th gen intel CPU mounted on an intel motherboard, if it does, so the problem comes from intel, otherwise it's time to check what other vendors are doing, especially those on the gaming segment.
You know everyone was using intel to avoid this instability issue that was present on ryzens? 😅 Just google "is intel more stable than amd" and look at stuff from few years ago.
I did not noticed as I dont watch this crap from longer time :). Initially I watched but had very bad opinion about this channel. You can notice right away it is not about reliable information or ethical but more "show" and "hype". He does not mention probably because she would make harm with "sponsors" (but as I does not watch it from longer time i can be wrong of course :) ). Ps. There was also other controversies with Linus later after i already dropped watching this channel.
The Linus Tech Tips channel is mostly an entertainment channel now. They don't really ever do dedicated deep dives or videos about news. At most you get a TechLinked video with a 2 minute segment on it.
Maybe because the core issue is still under investigation. So that's why the main channel still hasn't covered this news. But Techlinked has certainly covered it a while ago. They don't want to rush to make a video about this thing currently. They learned their lesson of making rushed videos.
LTT really has nothing to add to the conversation here. It would make a very boring and unsatisfying video with no conclusion. Bascially only repeating information from other sources. This is not what LTT usually does on the main channel. Something like "The Most UNRELIABLE Gaming PC" would be a more LTTish way of covering a topic like that. But not as long as the story is still evolving.
>Imagine not using AMD for gaming machines >Imagine using Intel for anything but a workstation PC >Imagine actually using the overpriced and underperforming option because of some dumb sense of brand loyalty >Imagine being the guy that uses userbenchmark to see if they're gonna purchase yet another overpriced CPU that year > Imagine using a CPU with advanced spyware built in that's even more advanced than AMD's >Imagine using a CPU that lies to you about it's errors to save its company's reputation >Imagine
So glad I went all amd this time, no melting power connectors, no unstable chips with glaring design flaws. Also was much cheaper while being only 10 percent behind
Just had my first BSOD yesterday while making a RAR file. Confirmed that making a RAR file tanked my 14900k, but Cinebench was fine. After updating BIOS with the new Intel mitigations it's working for now.
I'm glad I'm still running an i7-7700K. I can still play all my games at the highest settings. Windows 11 doesn't officially support it but it runs fine, so I've gotten about 7 years out of this CPU so far. I'm hoping to get at least a decade before I even consider upgrading.
You might be able to prevent or delay issues by making some changes in the bios if you're willing to experiment. My 13900k has been stable for over a year. I did however change some settings in my (gigabyte) bios the moment I got the chip.. In case you are interested: limited the wattage to intel recommended, disabled all gigabyte overclock settings, set the ac/dc loadline preset to medium (which slightly increases the base voltage iirc), undervolted the chip when under heavy loads using the vf points. (-100mv when all p cores are at 5.5-5.8ghz, -0.8~ at 5.4, -0.6 at 5.3 etc). I also reduced the SA voltage to 1.2v from the mobo default 1.28v. These settings have left me with a perfectly stable chip so far and no performance loss in benchmark. My ram is running at 7200mts with tuned timings using buildzoid recommendations and some experimenting myself.
Haven't bought an Intel chip since before the AMD FX Bulldozer chips (2013). Originally because AMD was a lot cheaper so I could then get a better GPU. Now my recent upgrade was because AMD was better and cheaper. None of my AMD chips have given a single problem. Yes, the Bulldozer chip still works.
I am running a 14900K and saw this taking shape since February of 2024 when I updated my bios with the latest Microcode at that time. Whatever update they made at that point ruined these 13th and 14th gen processors. Before that I was able to run my 14900k at 6.1Ghz all P-Core and 4.6 all E-core without any crashes or instability issues. Since then, I have had to run it on default settings of 5.7Ghz/P and 4.3Ghz/E and it runs stable within normal operating voltage. I believe my next processor will be AMD based, I am a bit tired of running in circles with Intel. Plus, the longevity of AMD based motherboards is truly outstanding.
My understanding of the issue is that Intel's 12th gen processors were fairly good, but in order to get 13th/14th gen (they're basically the same gen, fight me) to market, they had to rush the architecture design, and they rapidly adapted 12th gen into a new architecture by adding more little cores and cache, but in rapidly adapting 12th gen into something it wasn't quite meant to be, they introduced the issues. I'm pretty sure future architectures won't have the issue, as they're ground up redesigns, but I'm also not sure enough to recommend my friends anything other than AMD until I've seen next gen intel chips lasting for more than two years.
If this were the case, Intel would quickly solve the existing problems, everything would be as transparent as possible, and silence most likely indicates that: either a deep quality check is being carried out, and I think that's why Intel is postponing the release of new products (maybe I don't know something, and that's just my guess), or a very expensive solution is required to cover the cost of marriage, which will radically change the approach to production technology
you mean the 12th gen that finaly can catch up to ryzen 5000 when 10th and 11th gen failed ? dont be foolish, every Ryzen 5000 CPU is better then a intel 12th gen for sure and upgrade path of a 12th gen to 13/14 is something nobody want to risk even on a used market in a year.
@@allxtend4005 In this context I meant "good" as in terms of reliability as it related to the specific issue in the video. Generally I've preferred Ryzen processors overall for every generation they've released as it always felt that they offered better value for what I wanted at the time, but it's not as though Intel chips haven't had reasons to buy them, as well. It's more a matter of what tradeoffs you're willing to accept, what you need out of your processor, and if you do custom workloads to the metal that can take full advantage of all the features available which you're paying for when buying the processor.
I own a 14600K, and some games like Terraria, and even Steam itself can crash the entire system. Happens on every OS, and even emulated games. Im starting to think that the CPU is to blame here... Anyone else has this issue?
Thank your lucky stars for that and be careful. I made a present for my dad, 13700kf based system. He used to play COD but now mostly watches videos on youtube and listens to audiobooks. I left everything on default in BIOS since I wanted to never touch it as we live in a different part of the country. Crashes when gaming started last year, now he doesn't game anymore but it's gotten worse to a point when it crashes every day just idling in desktop or playing youtube videos. It's crazy. It's degrading literally when you only have a browser open. And the shop is refusing RMA since 1 year of warranty is over. I had to buy 12100 as a replacement.
I used a core i7 8700k for 4 years, literally always boosted. And during that time I never had overheating issues, any workload issues, all perfect. So, I decided to upgrade to a core i7 13700k and it has been phenomenal.
That's what happens when you do 100% vertical and horizontal manufacturing integration. Intel was stuck on 22nm node for years before it was able to shine it with "difficulties". Now we know the difficulties are there because they do not have tech to do smaller nodes very efficiently and make flawless chips. Jim keller left or was forced to leave within months because of this, for those who don't know him, he's a vetern in chip designer who has contributed to almost all companies who designs modern processors so most of us are using his derivative works one way or another. AMD switched to Samsung and TSMC until global foundries did catch up and there are still few more years before AMD will switch back or start making other chips with their good old friend. In my experience of hardwares, recent hardware have failed alot more than old ones so it's common to question quality of what we are getting for what we are paying. The per clock performance is almost stagnant since a decade now and more squeeze is happening in pipelines and lookup and retiring logic these days. Intel is known to be notorious, for example MKL was defacto supressing performance on non intel chips, which is now outperformed by other BLAS implementations working even faster on Intel chips and AMD chips as well. The company has alot of shady past, this is great example of how monopolies can not stay forever if they are overconfident. AMD was 4B company a decade ago, look at them how they evolved with good leadership and strategic research with limited budgets and market share while competing against 4 major companies ( Intel, Qualcomm, nVidia ) and many other smaller companies in mobile, server, desktop, GPU and telecom sectors.
AMD: "When your enemy is making a mistake don't interrupt them."
Eeriely close to Art of War.
Zao Ti Zoo
*"don't IRQ them"
@@koloblicin4599 You old bastard! You used to use jumpers on circuit boards.
/I kinda miss that amount of control 😔
@@koloblicin4599 Very nice
Processor ❌ Bunch of electrons jumping around on a rock✅
what's the difference
@@ME0WMERE poetry
it's actually accurate
Bunch of electrons dancing around on sand
@@DekarNL Sand ❌Bunch of tiny yellow rocks✅
Thanks for the shout out and great rundown!
Thanks, youtuber level1techs!
jk, hi wendell!
Intel: The Boeing of CPUs
X86 Max?
none has died from their cpus tho…
do they kill whistleblowers too?
I love that simply "Boeing" became a derogatory term.
@@Cheffamily False, I in fact died last week from their chips.
Ai not mentioned🎊🎉🍾
thank god
f-AI-lure rate
They used their Ai and it lied to them - this is just what expected greed makes shortcut and all those genous were fooled by what they call "ai" Guess next Intel wants to push same Ai design on all Intelchips so everyone can experince the same experience as Intel - Good times
if you listen carefully at 0:14 he says "and" which has A and at 0:42 he says "intel" which has I so its AI, so he did mention AI
We are all AI on this cursed day
Man I need to start doing that error reporting style...
prefix every fatal exception with "User error:"
That is only true if the user and the buyer are the same person. In other words, it won't work if you sell B2B.
The way of the linux community
this has me dead hahahaha Im gonna start implementing this
They put general error and blame the user, when its their error...
User error: cannot read name of undefined 😃
I have an i9-14900k and can confirm, this has been a living hell. Web pages randomly crashing, blue screens, and discord dying. This is horrible.
Switch to AMD, brother.. 😊
@@thathandsomedevil0828 ah yes smd one of the best semiconductor companies of all time 😃
@@thathandsomedevil0828'AMD'
I'm still willing to give Intel a chance on Arrow Lake because of new 2nm process... but this issue definitely gives me second thoughts.
That sucks, So glad i got the ryzen 7 7800x3d
Next 15th Gen Intel: "Fire Lake"
Chernobyl Lake - "Meltdown Edition"
Perfectly suited for a fire ship
Or Solar Lake
Nuclear lake
With the amount of energy and heat they'll evaporate the lake.
In their desperation to somehow keep up with AMD, Intel has cranked their chips so much they now burn themselves out. Bravo!
Yes, they won in benchmarks, but, in the long run, they fail terribly.
10nm vs 5nm. They increased the power to keep up with amd 5nm chips and that's what caused them issue in there. Big mistake... A Very Big Mistake.
Let's see what will be the future with Arrow lake (tsmc 3nm or intel 20A)
@@tao4124 When I got into building PCs, it was the other way around with AMD pushing their bulldozer-chips to (for the time) ridiculous power levels... but these chips didn't burn out. The Fx-9590 was rated 220 Watts.
@@KR4FTW3RK intel uses over 250, but problem in some cases seems to be cache that was changed between 12 and 13 gen, and 13 gen was 11 month rush job, and 14 gen is just a refresh
Imagine thinking intel needs to "keep up" with amd. Check their price caps. Like saying the USA needs to "keep up" with Cambodia.
I'm sure Cambodia is beautiful and has many nice things. But let's be real.
They might lose some sales for these chips. But that's a hiccup for them.
This has been the best free marketing AMD could've never asked for
i do always use intel and always given better than retail unit too,
i did buy ryzens on some machines and they all perform very well, great gaming cpus
"Our CPUs actually work!"
But still not effective. Because most Intel users are uneducated and denied this facts. That why Intel market share decrease but so slowly.
Yup, this is the year (well next year more likely) AMD will completely overtake intel on the desktop, laptop, and server and intel will become the minority share of the market. I could honestly see Intel failing within our lifetime if they keep this up.
Unless they asked for
Intel was dead to me the day they integrated the Intel “management engine” on their chips totally outside of the users control. Even Andrew Tanenbaum, who wrote the OS it was built from, has decried it as thinly veiled spyware.
Interesting, but AMD has introduce a similar feature as well?
What does that do exactly?
@@thathandsomedevil0828 . Nobody knows, but I'm sure its function is to open your device's 4ss-cheeks to Pegasus, why?
Because Pegasus is sold for millions of dollars, and it even includes customer service! That business would not be viable if Pegasus depended on a vulnerability (as it's often said) that can be discovered and patched at any moment.
That means Pegasus takes advantage of hardware-level backdoors: "Intel Management Engine" (for Intel) and "AMD Secure Technology" (for AMD). Supporting this theory is the fact that the FBI requested computers without any of those backdoors.
The American government forced them to implement it. It’s a back door for the feds
@@milanstoyakov much more limited
Here's the truth, a little bit of inside info: There is no bad microcode, the mobos are not broken, there are no flaws. The issue is with the CPU's architecture. You see, since the 12th gen intel started including the Efficiency-cores. Now those cores are running on the same bus as the Performance cores. With the last 2 gens (13th and 14th), to keep up with AMD, intel just drastically increased the clocks. This clock increase is severely heating the bus between these chips. It was not designed to run at these frequencies and temperatures, hence the obscene amount of crashes. Intel knows this because the guys from the QA department brought this up to management and management said "Fuck it, let's just milk these last 2-3 years since we are on the verge of releasing the new re-designed series." This is why they avoid doing anything because they know they can't fix and it's why they've been shifting the blame for so long. They are pushing for time. I know the whole story behind it, I simply chose to stay quiet for a long time because of reasons. I advise downclocking to 4.4-4.8ghz and the cpu will operate flawlessly, unless yours is broken after such a long time of running at the high clocks.
"...a bunch of electrons dance on a rock" is so funny, yet accurate it hurts. Building a processor sounds like the hardest job ever. The resulting product is magic to me.
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
@@moonik665 Caruth R Ekralc
I mean, we did figure out how to turn lead into gold a while ago. The problem is that it is very energy intensive and the result is usually radioactive. So turning sand (silica) into something worth more than gold was a close second.
I study electrical engineering and it's really cool. It's almost an art form at a certain point.
It's honestly still bonkers to me that we don't have to pay 1000s of dollars to get a chip that can run billions of operations per second with such precision... the absolute ingenuity behind getting this to an affordable price is bloody impressive
When there's an error when im playing a video game I usually blame Microsoft, now I can blame intel too.
I usually never comment, but today I made an exception.
Why?
Because I want you to know that your comment is really funny, and I after a few minutes still have a smile on my face
Keep being badass!
You should blame your mom.
Videogames usally uses AMD or ARM.
@@josiaswando9561 what does that even mean?
@@YIPPY-xf8pifair.
Been playing WoW for 20 years, never had any significant issues. Until i got an insane gaming pc last year with one of those chips. Nearly had to give up playing, crashing every 5 minutes and spent dozens of hours troubleshooting.
I defintely believe everything that is being said in this video.
and you don't regret waisting 20 years of your life playing WoW? 😳
@@axjkhl7699 i didnt say i only played wow or that i played 10 hours a day, did i? But no, why would i think that? It's been a blast, made great friends and other stuff. What was wasted?
i dont think so you did a good utilisation of your time playing 20 years on wow
@@axjkhl7699really?
@@axjkhl7699tf? Are you mad he dissed intel?
How did two generations of processors launch without Intel noticing the issue during QA? I imagined their QAs were very thorough and exhaustive, that is an epic failure.
DEI I guess
@@w1z4rd9 what?????
@@ilikecybermen1036 Diversity, equity, and inclusion
Yes it exists.
@@w1z4rd9 I get that I just don't see what possible relevance it could have here.
@@ilikecybermen1036 Uhm I guess literally not focusing and putting employee-skills at the top where DEI could directly or indirectly affect the quality of the whole company and it's product. Especially what OP said, Quality Assurance.
Phew, I'm so happy I did not put the sticker on mine.
Underrated comment
While the AI comment is overated videos after videos
@@lucasmonteban this makes no sense
smort
@@lucasmonteban ?????
Just rename them to "Sewage Lake"
Intel (burning inside)™ 14900 L Sewage Lake aka (Sandy bridge refresh refresh refresh refresh), now with 500W total power dissipation and 1% general improvement compared to last gen competitors*
*=on 65W power saving config 2133MHz memory clock
Talk about snake oil salesman tactics... (They accused AMD officially)
I am not using intel more than 5 years now...
@@akosv96 DDR4 and DDR5 did indeed require changes in the circuitry, it's not exactly the same as sandy bridge
When u think 11th Gen Lava Lake is bad enough... Intel proves us wrong 😂
A waste of sand!
This exact thing happened to my brand new 14th Gen i7 laptop I bought for work. The motherboard lasted 2 months. Luckily I bought it from Lenovo and I think they did applied some firmware that declocked the CPU. The tech guy who came to my house to fix it said that they were purposefully overclocking these chips and didn't care that they were going to go bad but didn't think they would start to go bad this quickly.
Hopefully, they'll do a recall on these and I can get my money back if this continues.
If not, there is one tool that enables the hidden bios developer mode (if that backdoor is still there) from where you can reenable userspace under/overclocking and voltage control.
Another method was holding fn while off and swiping your finger over some keyboard rows then turning it back on.
@@_DSch 🤔
Wow, I didn't realize quite the bullet I was dodging when I got a cheap 12700k a year back rather than something new. I even got a free NVME drive with the open box motherboard (hiding under the heatsink). Crazy luck in retrospect.
AMD does nothing.
Its competition keeps shooting itself in the foot.
The best marketing strategy
If there wouldn't be any competition AMD will become what intel was in the past "Greedy".
Yeah for AMD it's great. For consumers, not so much. If Intel shits the bed completely, we will be eventually facing another Nvidia-level monopoly, but this time in the CPU world.
They stole that strat from China.
Feature of last stage capitalism.
Same like Boeing and Airbus
@@sovietunion9131 That is just market forces at work. Greed is a feature of them. The Board's fiduciary duty to shareholder's demands it
"Overflowing stack of problems" 😂😂😂
Where the code becomes curses
And systems become blasphemy
And the bit horses of troy unite on some dead guy's birthday
You will know us
@@Hex-Mas 😂😂
People forgot that previous architecture had a problem with hyper threading and Intel solution was.. turn it off, both for old chips, and current ones that don't have it anymore. Don't know if it is incompetence, or planned obsolescence, but is close to becoming a pattern.
@mariovazquez3874 So that's why they removed hypertreading , I had no idea
Amd was known for their chips burning about a decade ago and fixed the issue and left intel in the dust. the only people that still use intel should be large businesses that refuse to change and still use massively outdated intel chips. Amd outpreforms at every metric and has for a long time, including cost
I personally purchased a 14900k and immediately ran into issues with the video memory issue you mentioned, spent weeks going down insane rabbit holes and replacing everything. Only to find out that the default bios settings essentially cooked my cpu, fast forward to me ordering a 14900kf, undervolting, and using all the recommended power settings provided on intels website... only for the 14900kf to slowly fail over time as well... Intel has pretty much lost me as a customer for a very long time, I've had no issues with either of my AMD systems.
I ran into a dude who insisted that failure to undervolt an Intel K-processor counted as user error. You don't have to worry about Intel running out of customers any time soon.
So let me get this straight.
You did all that rabbit hole research and then went and bought ANOTHER one of the same cpu?
Pretty sure the "don't be an early adopter" motto reigns supreme to this day. It's never failed me. If you look at every hardware manufacturer, they have stories like this throughout the history of time. Intel, AMD, nVidia, Apple all of them. This isn't something new. It comes with territory of "having the latest and greatest" hardware.
What do I do when I just spent $4500 dollars on a intel 14900KS build
@@shriram5494might have thought his unit was a dud
I am glad my broke ass doesnt have lastest 13th and 14th gen Intel
I'm so poor that I had to buy Ryzens which turned out to be probably a good thing.
not worth the 6000$ either for 600 you can get a 7900x and it works better
If u want high quality Ryzen cpus it’s better to get the 7800x3d (expensive but is stable and rivals both 13th and 14th gen intel cpus in performance) the 7600x if your just trying to get on am5 (still a very capable processor)
I could have bought one when I was getting stuff for the PC build, but I decided a 12th gen was good enough.
I still run 6th gen. Meanwhile my mom has 3rd gen. Neither of us has any issues. Then again we both aren't really power users. I game occasionally, but it's mostly sufficient for the kind of games i'm playing
Had a superstition to not buy 13600k because "13" is ill luck.
Curse my rationality
I bought a 13600k for my new (first) build. I enabled the intel default profile and it has a massive cooler (idles at 35c). I'm praying that my i5 will last. If not, I can't waste time switching out the mobo. I'll just get a 12700k.
Well at least it's not a 110% failure rate. So that's good..
Yet.. 🤣
Always look to the bright side
Ah, the good old days of the Pentium 5.
😂
"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero"
Truly one of the quotes of all time
Does not even need to be that long. Just 100 years will get you like... 3 sigma or more.
“Zerohedge” much?
1:24 the "computer" in the stock footage is actually a air purifier lol
This is a crazy vid. Thanks for reporting on this. I started having these issues almost year ago on my 13th gen. Drove me nuts. Thought it was nvdia the whole time but then managed to narrow it down to my CPU. Disabled all my E cores and now finally no more crashing on anything... But thats like a majority of my cpu...
The extra cache in AMD's x3d convinced me to get an AMD CPU this time around
looks like I made the right choice
I'm waiting for when handhelds get an x3D variant
no you didn't LMAO
@@ilxplay What does this mean exactly because "LMAO" isn't a valid argument?
@@ilxplaycope harder. Then your Intel that eats almost 4x more power to barely catch up with AMD will get 9% performance hit before going out in flames.
You can then quote Cheech and Chong's "up in smoke, that's where my money goes" xD
x3d chips ❤
It's not like every failure results in a crash. Imagine all the non-crashing data corruption these could be causing. Definitely won't be getting a PC with one of these in it.
Yes, this is what has me more on edge than anything. I wouldn't want random data corruption that I only notice years later.
@@seeibe I have a 14th gen and before the bios update it would fuck my windows install and corrupt it so I had to run DISM like every other day
After the patch: Corrupting things no one notices until it's impossible to trace 😅
I think it's their new marketing strategy to sell more chips - they just turned the dial up too much at first.
Yikes, I think I'd rather have a component straight up burn out than malfunction like this
What gen is Intel Evo?
Meanwhile, I'm here chilling with my 3rd-generation Intel processor.
im chilling with my i5 10th gen
first gen here
Putting the image of boogie as "end user" is nicely done.
>finaly build a high end machine
>13700k
Me too. About two months of usage, mainly for 3D renders and Stable Diffusion. No problems whatsoever.
@@j_shelby_damnwird almost 8 months for the same use and no problems guess we got lucky, but maybe next time I should try some amd cpus
13700k is stable I think it's just 13900k and 14900k
One year and 5 months for me, no issues, hopefully I don't regret saying that 🤣🤣 i7-13700KF
@@adreto2978 issues can be in all raptor lake chips, including i7s and i5s, also laptop chips.Yes, on warframe posts>75% of crashes were i9s, but in the rest you had 14700 and 13700
dude my PC has been shitting itself for weeks. everything is BRAND NEW. this explains so much. this is ridiculous.
older = better
dummy
@@theyellowarchitect4504 younger = better
@@GameFuMaster younger is only better when it becomes older
What specs? So I can avoid them lol.
I have an I5 14500k. I thought it was just me who had this problem: my PC would crash randomly and blue screen. My browser would crash some tabs and say that I didn't have enough memory. I reinstalled Windows, and the issue persisted. This video explains a lot!
You switching to amd cpu from now on?
@@gildg7806 I thought about that, but the problem is that it would be too expensive. Switching to my current CPU cost me ~ $500$ because I needed a new motherboard.
@@gildg7806 we are going to witness AMD become the new villain in the CPU market. I am sure they are going to increase their price tag because the completion will likely die for a while due to Intel's idiocy.
Got a 13th gen chip this past year. Been in contact with Intel for months with these exact problems, specifically issues at X referenced memory. Intel has been "clueless" about this issue when discussing with me and won't cover the warranty replacement or refund. Have had more help on random intel forum posts and reddit from other people who have these issues. Finally, I have been able to get a SOMEWHAT stable fix when underclocking the voltage, but still super disappointing.
LMAO anyone remember that intel snake oil chart it keeps aging like the finest of milk
No?
@@user-S853 search for “Gamer nexus intel snake oil”
@@user-S853 Look up their "core rules" presentation to business partners.
@@user-S853 Search for the intel "core truths" slide deck
Holy shit yea that was INSANE. The fact that even got approved, and went through the upper management who thought "yea, this looks sane, lets put this out PUBLICLY" is bonkers. Gamers nexus ripped them a new one :D
Like holy fuck, that is really what helped with my next cpu being amd...
As the owner of a 13900K, I can confirm the stability issues are insane.
Mine has been stable for over a year. I did however change some settings in my (gigabyte) bios the moment I got the chip.. In case you are interested: limited the wattage to intel recommended, disabled all gigabyte overclock settings, set the ac/dc loadline preset to medium (which slightly increases the base voltage iirc), undervolted the chip when under heavy loads using the vf points. (-100mv when all p cores are at 5.5-5.8ghz, -0.8~ at 5.4, -0.6 at 5.3 etc). I also reduced the SA voltage to 1.2v from the mobo default 1.28v. These settings have left me with a perfectly stable chip so far and no performance loss in benchmark. My ram is running at 7200mts with tuned timings using buildzoid recommendations and some experimenting myself. Hopefully I managed to accidentally fix my chip before it started degrading lol.
Oh shish, I would stop trusting intel after their infamous tripple bug on all processors that was 5-6 yrs back... bad luck anyway, you don't expect to be that scammed bying from intel
@@Bramagonyou have an unlocked chip right? So why purchase an unlocked chip just to do all this? This means they basically are false advertising their unlocked chips and their is no reason to unlock them
@@cameronroman506 Undervolting can increase performance while reducing temps and noise. This was the main reason I initially experimented with these settings. Unlocked chips also tend to be the better binned chips that allow for bigger undervolts without having to lower the frequencies. Overclocking nowadays doesn't make sense because the chips are already pushed to their limits by Intel. Also, another reason for doing all this is because I like experimenting with my hardware :p.
Bite the bullet and go with AMD . The 7950x3d games are waaay smoother. I think the lags and micro stuttering was related to my 13900k. So far the 3d cache and ccd works correctly 💯 of every game. The newest AMD drivers and uefi updates fixed everything
Nice fast paced video with all the details and quick jabs. Well done.
I am so very, very, glad that I went with 12th gen Intel. I bought my laptop 6 months before 13th gen came out. Having "new" CPUs coming in 6 months was a concern of mine but I went with the model I chose. Phew, that was close.
This video validated my experience with my 14900k for the last year... ive had every single one of these problems and have had to underclock using extreme tuning utility to not bluescreen constantly. Im so mad i didnt just stick to amd
same here. it’s so not fun building high end PC and ending up with crashes in games😂
Rumors say that 14 gen is just 13 rebranding
RMA
Happy to use amd
I'm not (I have a laptop)
butthurt intool fans replying to you are crying so hard lmao
@@aurelia8028 gaintel
First time ever to use an amd for me was at the beginning of the handheld pc era and I must say I'm really impressed! Took it a step further and decided to try one of those pre-built AMD eGPUs and again it hasn't disappointed at all! Watch out Intel!
Same
SO glad I went with AMD for my new rig... The Intel option was not only more expensive but a power hog.
Loaded up on INTC puts after watching this video when it was first published. At the time of writing intel is down 30% in 1 day. Thank you fireship
Edit: Typo
I never trusted raptors. Everybody who has watched any part of the Jurassic Park franchise should know, they screw you over and eat you alive.
🤣🤣🤣
I think they know very well whats wrong. But they just dont want to admit it publicly.
Admitting it publicly, means admitting fault, and admitting fault means admitting liability for a massive class action lawsuit, and and admitting liability means line go down and line goes down means no extra billions.
@@futuza Okay, the way you summarized that in such a high-level overview had me laughing hysterically😄👌
@@futuza they just got their extra billions from the government.
"Diversity, equity, and inclusion have long been Intel’s core values and are instrumental to driving innovation and delivering strong business growth."
I mean they say it right on their website
@@jarwarrenthat has as much to do with Intel’s chip failures as a clone of Elon Musk…
"The gravy train on biscuit wheels is starting to derail "
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Literally everyone with a raptor lake CPU now: any and all crashes are intel's fault!
True, I mean who the heck knows
That's what happens when you just keep dumping more and more power into them instead of making actual architecture improvements, just to claim the highest clock speeds. Doesn't matter how high the clock speeds are if the chip burns out and doesn't work, you get no clock speed.
new reports suggest this isn't because of power.
Their at the very limit of what architecture improvements they can implement.
Problem with Intel is they refuse to spend a dime on improving how much cache their stuff has.
Intel machines could be lightspeeds faster if they simply added more cache to their chips.
New intel architecture will sacrifice rest of the chip until only the clock is left.
@@honkhonk8009
Cache size depends directly on transistor density, and this depends directly on manufacturing technology. As Extreme Ultraviolet Litography is reaching its limits, improvements in manufacturing have become ridiculously costly.
Intel produces it's own chips, while AMD uses services of TSMC. TSMC benefits from industry wide funding (for example, they also make Apple chips).
I don't think Intel "refuses to spend a dime on improving how much cache their stuff has", it's just insanely costly.
Dancing on rock is a great description, dancing on wasted sand would be more accurate.
What if Intel knows what's the problem? Meaning unfixable hardware mistake. CPU's would have to be replaced, which would be super expensive for Intel. They will rather say we don't know the issue, if your chip dies, buy a new one.
I've never been upset about choosing AMD every single time.
Phenom? FX series? LLano and any other APUs? Sempron? And don't even get me started on Single Core/Thread performance. Sure, you might have 256 thousand cores, but that doesn't mean much when 99% of software can fully utilize four of them. Want to play the milsim ARMA 3? Better not have an AMD.
@@TheeGlocktopus Never had one regret. Owned every single one. Guess what didn't ever have Meltdown?
Uh you know what , Arma likes cache. You know what lots of cache is in? X3D.
Even crappy optimised games like star citizen runs faster with that cache.
At one point this kind of issue could have easily been an AMD thing, it's better to swing with the pendulum instead of being loyal to the soil.
@@TheeGlocktopus Did you just wake up from some sort of experimental cryosleep program?You're about a decade behind in your Anti-AMD trash talking. Intel chips usually have way more cores than AMD chips nowadays on account of them tacking on 6-8 "efficiency" cores to everything. Hence we get "14" core i5s that perform like an AMD 6-8 core cpu but will win in multithread benchmarks that use the extra "efficiency" cores.
You're also behind on the notion that only 4 cores get used. Alot of AAA games in recent years really suffer or won't even run properly on anything less than 6 physical cores.
You're supposed to be complaining about AMD cpu firmware having bugs at launch or Zen 2 processors being in the Zen 3 lineup, or something like that.
Thank GOD I went with a 7800X3D instead of a i7-14700K in my recent PC replacement.
Wait. Isn't AMD an American company too ? Driven by the same moral values as intel and boeing ? That is greed, and more greed ? It's only a matter of time before similar issues happen at AMD (outsource anything and everything to india and wherever, don't raise employees salaries, raise top management's salaries to silly amounts, cut costs on innovation, etc...). Our hope is that the Koreans/Taiwanese/Japanese take over this industry.
@@johnsmith-ro2twZen 5 will be a real wake up call for a lot of people.
It's obvious AMD is positioning itself to announce some insane MSRP's with Ryzen 9000 series.
@@johnsmith-ro2tw AMD is a Taiwanese company
@@axiilh No, it's not. AMD is an American company. TSMC, the company that fabricates chips for AMD (including RDNA GPUs), is Taiwanese.
weren't 7800X3Ds literally exploding a year ago?
punish corporate greed and incompetencey, they have become too comfortable walking all over us
0:42 overflowing stack HOW DID ANYONE NOT NOTICE THIS LMAO
DAMN. The 7800X3D was a good call on my part.
i like am5, its amd finally compete at highend gaming
they usually only competitive against i5s but these 7000 series are champs and arguably winning if its watt/perf
@@iikatinggangsengii2471Also usually winning in fps for most titles that use v cache
I got the 7600X for my build since I was on a budget but I will be waiting patiently for the 9000 series and its X3D proposition
Best CPU
So around a year ago my coworker was building a new machine and it keep crashing and that thing uses a i9 13900K. He sacked the CPU over to me last February and I couldn’t figure out why it was crashing randomly eithe. I ended up contacting intel support to see if I can RMA the thing, but then told me to turn on Intel Fail safe mode in the BIOS, which then stopped those crashes. That was back just back in May. I mean, I got a free CPU, so I shouldn’t be complaining, but I can’t believe this shit is only being discovered now. I legitimately thought this i9 I have was just a faulty one off
i honestly dont understand and dont have any intention on being understood, if they havent done i wait
all i comperhend is whether the machines can be used and has proper performance and stability for usages
This is karma for decades of illegal business practices
OEMs wont complain about this because Intel has bribed them but the customer service department will have a bad month dealing with continuous complaints from customers.
3:41 Should've called it the Core report, smh
I had a problem with Vbox and VMware where enabling 3d accerleration would lead in a 99% chance of the guest system crashing. I thought this was some kind of NVidia problem but no, probably my 13th gen intel core i7 processor.
Insane that I a comment about this, literally like 20 minutes ago I had to turn off the 3D accel because Ubuntu wouldn't start after upgrading from 22 to 24 LTS. 13700KF too, guess we're all fkd
Underclock and pray then
Intel's issue is that this seems to be a hardware problem... probably. They can't RMA these chips because they don't have a working alternative to provide. Replacing a faulty chip with another faulty chip will only create extreme customer frustration. The alternative is "Buy AMD" and Intel will never allow that.
Intel is trying to buy time for the next generation where hopefully they fix the issue. What they do with the millions of faulty chips is yet to be seen.
This is getting me bad vibes. I've bought a 13600K last January to replace the parts of my PC, and by now it's still working great, but after reading and watching this, I don't know what to think about. I hope not to spend another 300-350 bucks on a new CPU.
Lol just noticed this while playing valorant on an i9-13900k. Had this video on the second display. Facepalm...
I've crashed twice in two days. Its been right after launching valorant and as soon as I load into the game the first time. When I reconnect after the reboot there isn't an issue. Got a 24hr ban for it hahahahah.
Underclock and undervolt it
Underclock and undervolt doesn't solve it. Heck some say the opposite might be needed. This is a complex issue and it seems like all of these CPUs will deteriorate at some point. I would consider returning it if possible.
@@berkertaskirannah just buy new one when it breaks
nah that's just valorant
This literally happened to me 2 months ago. Had a i9-13900KF shut down, bsod, gpu error, screens turn off all randomly degrading over time until I RMA'd the thing, had it replaced with a i9-14900KF and literally had the same issue and had to be replaced by yet another 14900KF.
Buy yet another one, it must be a fluke.
If it fails again you should replace it with 14900KF again, who knows maybe this time it'll work
If there is a trade in program in the computer stores near you, you could use it to sell your Intel motherboard and parts and trade it with AMD Ryzen processor and motherboard at much cheaper additional price
i5-13500 here. so far, no issues at all. fingers crossed i was lucky enough to get the good one. Also, i never play games.
I3 8100 here, since 2018 without issues.
The problem is now well known, it comes more from motherboard manufacturers providing default UEFI settings, not following specs recommanded by intel. Check everything and set manually every setting related to the CPU at the 1st start in order to follow CPU's specs, and your CPU should be fine, if you run default settings without a check, you are basically playing russian roulette with your CPU, with default parameters that over-volt the CPU when not needed (it's normally done for overclocking), even at default frequency, it's slowly destroy the CPU in a matter of weeks, and once done, the CPU is irreversibly damaged.
Remember kids, it's not the frequency that kills a CPU, it's the voltage.
I wonder if the problem exists at all with a 13/14th gen intel CPU mounted on an intel motherboard, if it does, so the problem comes from intel, otherwise it's time to check what other vendors are doing, especially those on the gaming segment.
i have a 14900k on a z790 intel motherboard. No issues yet after 4 months hoping that stays the case.
That "electron dance around on a rock" was poetic.
As someone who recently bought a Ryzen laptop, I feel like a dodged a goddamn bullet lol.
You didn't wait for Strix Point?
You know everyone was using intel to avoid this instability issue that was present on ryzens? 😅 Just google "is intel more stable than amd" and look at stuff from few years ago.
@@aurelia8028 AMD is top dog
loving my AMD handheld. It's been over a year with no major issues.
i just bought a laptop with an i5-1340p but i think only the higher core count chips are having issues
Has someone noted how Linus has been strangely silent about this problem and the situation that developers for windows arm are facing?
🤔
I did not noticed as I dont watch this crap from longer time :). Initially I watched but had very bad opinion about this channel. You can notice right away it is not about reliable information or ethical but more "show" and "hype". He does not mention probably because she would make harm with "sponsors" (but as I does not watch it from longer time i can be wrong of course :) ).
Ps. There was also other controversies with Linus later after i already dropped watching this channel.
The Linus Tech Tips channel is mostly an entertainment channel now. They don't really ever do dedicated deep dives or videos about news. At most you get a TechLinked video with a 2 minute segment on it.
Maybe because the core issue is still under investigation.
So that's why the main channel still hasn't covered this news. But Techlinked has certainly covered it a while ago.
They don't want to rush to make a video about this thing currently. They learned their lesson of making rushed videos.
LTT really has nothing to add to the conversation here. It would make a very boring and unsatisfying video with no conclusion. Bascially only repeating information from other sources. This is not what LTT usually does on the main channel. Something like "The Most UNRELIABLE Gaming PC" would be a more LTTish way of covering a topic like that. But not as long as the story is still evolving.
Apple knew and they got out from Intel’s business.
>Imagine not using AMD for gaming machines
>Imagine using Intel for anything but a workstation PC
>Imagine actually using the overpriced and underperforming option because of some dumb sense of brand loyalty
>Imagine being the guy that uses userbenchmark to see if they're gonna purchase yet another overpriced CPU that year
> Imagine using a CPU with advanced spyware built in that's even more advanced than AMD's
>Imagine using a CPU that lies to you about it's errors to save its company's reputation
>Imagine
0:06 Intel's Ticking Bomb Inside!
So glad I went all amd this time, no melting power connectors, no unstable chips with glaring design flaws. Also was much cheaper while being only 10 percent behind
After the mitigations that hurt performance, AMD isn't even behind anymore. If you've got a 7800x3D, you've got the fastest gaming CPU on the market.
CANT WAIT FOR MICROSOFT L VIDEO
"Ironic that dinosaur guys hate raptor chips" got me ROFL
Just had my first BSOD yesterday while making a RAR file. Confirmed that making a RAR file tanked my 14900k, but Cinebench was fine. After updating BIOS with the new Intel mitigations it's working for now.
Tricking rocks into thinking for us was a mistake.
Nah, it was a triumph.
"I don't think I could do a better job making a bunch of electrons dance around on a rock."
A humble man.
I literally just reformatted because I thought Windows bugs....nope....just have a 13900k
I'm glad I'm still running an i7-7700K. I can still play all my games at the highest settings. Windows 11 doesn't officially support it but it runs fine, so I've gotten about 7 years out of this CPU so far. I'm hoping to get at least a decade before I even consider upgrading.
well guess what my 10th gen intel is more stable than the 13th gen intel
my i7 4770 from 2014 is more stable
Really glad right now that I decided to buy an Intel Core i9 14900K
The 14900K has issues too.
@@synen That is called sarcasm. It was the whole point of the joke.
You might be able to prevent or delay issues by making some changes in the bios if you're willing to experiment. My 13900k has been stable for over a year. I did however change some settings in my (gigabyte) bios the moment I got the chip.. In case you are interested: limited the wattage to intel recommended, disabled all gigabyte overclock settings, set the ac/dc loadline preset to medium (which slightly increases the base voltage iirc), undervolted the chip when under heavy loads using the vf points. (-100mv when all p cores are at 5.5-5.8ghz, -0.8~ at 5.4, -0.6 at 5.3 etc). I also reduced the SA voltage to 1.2v from the mobo default 1.28v. These settings have left me with a perfectly stable chip so far and no performance loss in benchmark. My ram is running at 7200mts with tuned timings using buildzoid recommendations and some experimenting myself.
You'll eventually get a refund, hopefully some compensation even. Good luck to you 🤞🏼
Haven't bought an Intel chip since before the AMD FX Bulldozer chips (2013). Originally because AMD was a lot cheaper so I could then get a better GPU. Now my recent upgrade was because AMD was better and cheaper. None of my AMD chips have given a single problem. Yes, the Bulldozer chip still works.
I am running a 14900K and saw this taking shape since February of 2024 when I updated my bios with the latest Microcode at that time. Whatever update they made at that point ruined these 13th and 14th gen processors. Before that I was able to run my 14900k at 6.1Ghz all P-Core and 4.6 all E-core without any crashes or instability issues. Since then, I have had to run it on default settings of 5.7Ghz/P and 4.3Ghz/E and it runs stable within normal operating voltage. I believe my next processor will be AMD based, I am a bit tired of running in circles with Intel. Plus, the longevity of AMD based motherboards is truly outstanding.
My understanding of the issue is that Intel's 12th gen processors were fairly good, but in order to get 13th/14th gen (they're basically the same gen, fight me) to market, they had to rush the architecture design, and they rapidly adapted 12th gen into a new architecture by adding more little cores and cache, but in rapidly adapting 12th gen into something it wasn't quite meant to be, they introduced the issues.
I'm pretty sure future architectures won't have the issue, as they're ground up redesigns, but I'm also not sure enough to recommend my friends anything other than AMD until I've seen next gen intel chips lasting for more than two years.
If this were the case, Intel would quickly solve the existing problems, everything would be as transparent as possible, and silence most likely indicates that: either a deep quality check is being carried out, and I think that's why Intel is postponing the release of new products (maybe I don't know something, and that's just my guess), or a very expensive solution is required to cover the cost of marriage, which will radically change the approach to production technology
you mean the 12th gen that finaly can catch up to ryzen 5000 when 10th and 11th gen failed ?
dont be foolish, every Ryzen 5000 CPU is better then a intel 12th gen for sure and upgrade path of a 12th gen to 13/14 is something nobody want to risk even on a used market in a year.
@@allxtend4005 In this context I meant "good" as in terms of reliability as it related to the specific issue in the video.
Generally I've preferred Ryzen processors overall for every generation they've released as it always felt that they offered better value for what I wanted at the time, but it's not as though Intel chips haven't had reasons to buy them, as well.
It's more a matter of what tradeoffs you're willing to accept, what you need out of your processor, and if you do custom workloads to the metal that can take full advantage of all the features available which you're paying for when buying the processor.
This isn't an architecture issue but a silicon level issue that has to do with process node and generation of the internal transistors.
On a i9-12900T I had repeatable crashes. My solution was deactivating all efficiency cores.
I think it was also really hard to achieve a 100% rate failuire. Well done Intel!
I own a 14600K, and some games like Terraria, and even Steam itself can crash the entire system. Happens on every OS, and even emulated games. Im starting to think that the CPU is to blame here... Anyone else has this issue?
It's not a rock, it's a mineral. And electrons are not dancing on it, quite the opposite. It is *an insulator* and gold is used as conductor.
I've been dealing with these issues since October last year, this sh*t started well before February 🙄
I immediately went check which generation my chip is. 10th gen. Being broke saved me this time 🤣
I own a 13700KF for almost a year now, still haven't had any of the described problems, i guess im part of that 1%
cpu problem is very rare and should be detected on qc
but overall system problem indeed often happen
Thank your lucky stars for that and be careful. I made a present for my dad, 13700kf based system. He used to play COD but now mostly watches videos on youtube and listens to audiobooks. I left everything on default in BIOS since I wanted to never touch it as we live in a different part of the country. Crashes when gaming started last year, now he doesn't game anymore but it's gotten worse to a point when it crashes every day just idling in desktop or playing youtube videos. It's crazy. It's degrading literally when you only have a browser open.
And the shop is refusing RMA since 1 year of warranty is over. I had to buy 12100 as a replacement.
I used a core i7 8700k for 4 years, literally always boosted. And during that time I never had overheating issues, any workload issues, all perfect. So, I decided to upgrade to a core i7 13700k and it has been phenomenal.
Never thought I'd see a warframe mention on this channel
That's what happens when you do 100% vertical and horizontal manufacturing integration.
Intel was stuck on 22nm node for years before it was able to shine it with "difficulties". Now we know the difficulties are there because they do not have tech to do smaller nodes very efficiently and make flawless chips.
Jim keller left or was forced to leave within months because of this, for those who don't know him, he's a vetern in chip designer who has contributed to almost all companies who designs modern processors so most of us are using his derivative works one way or another.
AMD switched to Samsung and TSMC until global foundries did catch up and there are still few more years before AMD will switch back or start making other chips with their good old friend.
In my experience of hardwares, recent hardware have failed alot more than old ones so it's common to question quality of what we are getting for what we are paying. The per clock performance is almost stagnant since a decade now and more squeeze is happening in pipelines and lookup and retiring logic these days. Intel is known to be notorious, for example MKL was defacto supressing performance on non intel chips, which is now outperformed by other BLAS implementations working even faster on Intel chips and AMD chips as well. The company has alot of shady past, this is great example of how monopolies can not stay forever if they are overconfident. AMD was 4B company a decade ago, look at them how they evolved with good leadership and strategic research with limited budgets and market share while competing against 4 major companies ( Intel, Qualcomm, nVidia ) and many other smaller companies in mobile, server, desktop, GPU and telecom sectors.
i love the way you started "i've got some bad news" we all knew but that line made it more horrible 🤣
commenting so that the video gets more reach, as it was pretty unbiased and backed with facts
1:39 your voice sounded like a real human, noticed for the first time
This part sounds AI generated
this was actually the only real audio clip
Gone are the days when Intel exclusively released processors on various sockets with only 4 cores and at increasingly higher prices😁