All good information. I think Filler has the best form and is the most accurate. I enjoy watching Shane more though. When the pool halls open again, I'm going to try to stroke more like Filler.
This is what I've been racking (no pun) my brain on last few years...to extend or not to extend! I'm 6'0 with a 74" wingspan. I spent a year or 2 using a 4" mid extension. Now I'm using a 58" but I chicken wing the follow thru so often it's driving me nutz. I'll experiment again with it and take in your points. Thanks for the vid!
DaveBollman back in early 1980's had the first long cue I saw...... I think it was almost 6 foot ......lol ..... at 1980 world open BobMeucci introduced us to longer cues.....wanted all of us to promote his cues ...... BigBob, a classy guy ...thanks to Bob
Funny you should mention that. The long cue I play with now, was made by Dave Bollman. I held off buying a longer cue until I travelled to the US Open so I could go to Q-Masters and see what he had for sale. Dave was the same height as me so I figured he would be my best source.
@@ShortstopOnPool when Bob came out with "longer cues".... . I think they were 58 1/2 inches .....LOL ...... all the older players were having a duck.....LOL
@@ShortstopOnPool heck yeah ..... you will find that a certain amount of cue extending back beyond the grip hand will tend to keep cue tip on target to cue ball ..... yup..... I do know a guy that plays quite well with the extension always on his cue
Some good stuff. Thanks for posting. Some errors though I think... Strickland, Van Boening and Shaw are not particularly tall. They use long cues for more reach and more pop. Also, Earl won multiple US Opens with a standard size cue and Shaw was a top English 8 ball player. These guys can all run out from anywhere with anything. The other part I think is off relates to alignment. Alignment can help but it is not a true fundamental and is overstated as an idea. Same concept as cue length...you can put a top player in almost any alignment and they'll get out. It does indeed make a difference but 10 to 15 pct. The true key is aim. Past that it's feel and keeping that right arm soft and loose. May sound simple but if you were to measure the softness and fluidity of a top pros arm and body you'd see very little tension. Amateurs....all over the map. Biggest factor in my opinion.
Having gone to the National Billiards Academy's clinic, I'm trying to incorporate their 'pause' step between my backstroke and accelerating through the ball with thestroke. Much more difficult than I thought it would be to make a habit, but I'm getting there and like the consistency off it. A question about your pre-shot routine. I've been taught to 'aim with your feet' by standing on the shot line (as you imagine it extending back towards you) with your right foot (assuming you shoot right-handed). I think around 00:06:42, your right foot kind of goes back as you get in position rather than stepping forward with your left leg into the shot. Can you speak on your technique when getting down to shooting position?
Because I am 6'-5" tall I used to push my rear foot back a bit to get lower. I don't do that anymore (as much). About that "pause". I teach a pause before your final backstroke, and then pause or freeze at the end of your follow-through. IMO, the pendulum motion should flow smoothly. A very slow backstroke motion. Then let the cue stick fall naturally as you accelerate it smoothly. I believe pausing with your grip hand up at the top of the backstroke is not good.
@@ShortstopOnPool Thanks for the response. I actually watched your video 'Proper Pool Stance for Tall Players', and I noticed in that one that you covered the foot dropping back a bit in the three-step approach (you presently use a two-step approach, which I was experimenting with in practice today). That video has also been very insightful for me!
@@joshbenjamin1100 I've even experimented with a one-step approach. Eklent Kaci (same height as me) does this. Its weird because you place your rear foot inside the shot line and have to turn your torso and/or lean over a bit to have your head on the line before stepping in. But I think simplicity is best. The fewer steps means fewer things to go wrong.
Hey Short stop ! I’m a taller player also , so your points definitely point out my faults in my stroke and the fact that my cue maybe to short .. hmmm.. yes your point well taken . So longer cue gives you a wider stance at delivery , totally get it . What if I just try to grip farther back , do you think would aid in my stance position ? Tonight I am going to try it on my 58” . Does a longer cue also give you a better balance for your stroke ? as a taller player ..
Hello! If you look at players who are even around 6 feet tall, you'll notice many of them hold the cue right at the end. IMO, that is not good. You need some "mass" behind your hand. Or perhaps its that your hand should be closer to the balance. Your stroke is a pushing or throwing action, but the weight of the cue should help that motion. The entire weight of your cue should not be in front of your grip hand. If that makes any sense. BTW, I've been experimenting lately with where my elbow and shoulder are located. ....long story.... but I am finding that my left arm (bridge hand) should be bent. This brings your face a bit closer to the cue ball, but more importantly it turns the line of your shoulders towards the shot. Hard to explain, but again, if you watch videos of many pros you will see a bent arm. So, in doing so, I am now wondering if my cue needs to be as long as it is. I might try just one 4" extension. The quest continues.....
Good stuff! It can be really challenging being a tall player. I have noticed that there are no great players that are six fourish or taller. Of course there is Mike Massey. Do you know of any top players that are really tall? l dont know how tall UJ pucket was. lm not talking about six footers, lm talking about tall players.Your thoughts?
The butt and shafts are each 1" longer than normal, then I have two 4" extensions. Still, I had to find a case with a flexible lid to allow room for the 1" longer pieces.
Whoa! That was 2 years ago and I'm not sure what I meant. I think I misspoke. Was trying to say my feet were in line with shot line compared to former spread-eagle stance. More recent videos I have an even better stance explained better too.ruclips.net/video/ET2aKtTKxMM/видео.html
My cue weighs 22-1/4 ounces. So it is a bit heavy by most standards. But given my height and leverage it does not feel heavy at all and was very easy to get used to.
I too am tall, 6'6", and am having problems with getting a long cue. I have a stick with a 4" butt extension and both butt and shaft are 30". Problem I running into is that with the extension, the cue does not roll flat and all middle extensions I have tried on vendor demos also wobble terribly. Do you have recommended brands or maker? Also, I feel that having a longer shaft increases deflection (I would prefer shorter and stiffer shaft with longer butts).... any comments? Finally, being so tall, I stand upright behind line to aim but when I drop, the aim line changes so much when I drop to stoke the ball that I loss confidence. Do you experience the same?
I use two 4" shaft extensions. The cue does not roll straight but it doesn't matter. The shaft needs to be straight. IMO butt extensions are too heavy and throw off the balance.
It took a lot of work, but I found a way to enter the shot while keeping my head on the aim line. I plan on making a video just for tall players but it will be a wbile.
@@ShortstopOnPool This one is killing me. Certainly making me insane. I'm a tennis pro, 3 handicap golfer and pretty good dart player but I haven't figured out how to overcome the difference in view when dropping down to the shot. Can I just blame the stick?
I'm still using the same tip I've been using for decades - a Triangle hard tip. Didn't like the Tiger Sniper it came with. I'm open to new tips but haven't spent any time researching or testing........yet......
Im loving the tutorials
Another great example of a tall person that needs an extended cue is Dr Dave. He mentioned he put in extensions to fit his tall stature
Wow that picture with Scott T and Bob W brings back some memories 😁
All good information. I think Filler has the best form and is the most accurate. I enjoy watching Shane more though. When the pool halls open again, I'm going to try to stroke more like Filler.
Filler is very quick and efficient. But deadly accurate. His setup, stroke and stillness are a great model to follow.
New subscriber. I’ve watched several of your videos over the last couple of weeks. Solid info. Looking forward to more content!
Wow, what a great little channel. Packed with highly intelligent information and beautiful camerawork.
Good stuff brother!! Keep building your channel!!
I have more ideas than time. Hope to get another video out real soon. Thanks!
Great information. I wish more people knew this.
Am a tall player too this was really helpfull
Great video!
Thank you, Tanner!
This is what I've been racking (no pun) my brain on last few years...to extend or not to extend! I'm 6'0 with a 74" wingspan. I spent a year or 2 using a 4" mid extension. Now I'm using a 58" but I chicken wing the follow thru so often it's driving me nutz. I'll experiment again with it and take in your points. Thanks for the vid!
You might find this helpful if you haven't seen it yet. ruclips.net/video/p1SS36MhGXw/видео.html
DaveBollman back in early 1980's had the first long cue I saw...... I think it was almost 6 foot ......lol ..... at 1980 world open BobMeucci introduced us to longer cues.....wanted all of us to promote his cues ...... BigBob, a classy guy ...thanks to Bob
Funny you should mention that. The long cue I play with now, was made by Dave Bollman. I held off buying a longer cue until I travelled to the US Open so I could go to Q-Masters and see what he had for sale. Dave was the same height as me so I figured he would be my best source.
@@ShortstopOnPool Dave was a heckuva player...... nice guy too.... played some golf pretty good
@@ShortstopOnPool when Bob came out with "longer cues".... . I think they were 58 1/2 inches .....LOL ...... all the older players were having a duck.....LOL
@@DeeMoback My Bollman cue is 60" long. But now I have an 8" extension making a 68" cue.
@@ShortstopOnPool heck yeah ..... you will find that a certain amount of cue extending back beyond the grip hand will tend to keep cue tip on target to cue ball ..... yup..... I do know a guy that plays quite well with the extension always on his cue
good stuff..
Some good stuff. Thanks for posting. Some errors though I think...
Strickland, Van Boening and Shaw are not particularly tall. They use long cues for more reach and more pop. Also, Earl won multiple US Opens with a standard size cue and Shaw was a top English 8 ball player. These guys can all run out from anywhere with anything.
The other part I think is off relates to alignment. Alignment can help but it is not a true fundamental and is overstated as an idea.
Same concept as cue length...you can put a top player in almost any alignment and they'll get out. It does indeed make a difference but 10 to 15 pct.
The true key is aim. Past that it's feel and keeping that right arm soft and loose. May sound simple but if you were to measure the softness and fluidity of a top pros arm and body you'd see very little tension. Amateurs....all over the map. Biggest factor in my opinion.
Alignment is not a true fundamental... lmao. It is literally one of the building blocks of fundamentals
Having gone to the National Billiards Academy's clinic, I'm trying to incorporate their 'pause' step between my backstroke and accelerating through the ball with thestroke. Much more difficult than I thought it would be to make a habit, but I'm getting there and like the consistency off it.
A question about your pre-shot routine. I've been taught to 'aim with your feet' by standing on the shot line (as you imagine it extending back towards you) with your right foot (assuming you shoot right-handed). I think around 00:06:42, your right foot kind of goes back as you get in position rather than stepping forward with your left leg into the shot. Can you speak on your technique when getting down to shooting position?
Because I am 6'-5" tall I used to push my rear foot back a bit to get lower. I don't do that anymore (as much).
About that "pause". I teach a pause before your final backstroke, and then pause or freeze at the end of your follow-through. IMO, the pendulum motion should flow smoothly. A very slow backstroke motion. Then let the cue stick fall naturally as you accelerate it smoothly. I believe pausing with your grip hand up at the top of the backstroke is not good.
@@ShortstopOnPool Thanks for the response. I actually watched your video 'Proper Pool Stance for Tall Players', and I noticed in that one that you covered the foot dropping back a bit in the three-step approach (you presently use a two-step approach, which I was experimenting with in practice today). That video has also been very insightful for me!
@@joshbenjamin1100 I've even experimented with a one-step approach. Eklent Kaci (same height as me) does this. Its weird because you place your rear foot inside the shot line and have to turn your torso and/or lean over a bit to have your head on the line before stepping in. But I think simplicity is best. The fewer steps means fewer things to go wrong.
Hey Short stop ! I’m a taller player also , so your points definitely point out my faults in my stroke and the fact that my cue maybe to short .. hmmm.. yes your point well taken . So longer cue gives you a wider stance at delivery , totally get it . What if I just try to grip farther back , do you think would aid in my stance position ? Tonight I am going to try it on my 58” . Does a longer cue also give you a better balance for your stroke ? as a taller player ..
Hello! If you look at players who are even around 6 feet tall, you'll notice many of them hold the cue right at the end. IMO, that is not good. You need some "mass" behind your hand. Or perhaps its that your hand should be closer to the balance. Your stroke is a pushing or throwing action, but the weight of the cue should help that motion. The entire weight of your cue should not be in front of your grip hand. If that makes any sense.
BTW, I've been experimenting lately with where my elbow and shoulder are located. ....long story.... but I am finding that my left arm (bridge hand) should be bent. This brings your face a bit closer to the cue ball, but more importantly it turns the line of your shoulders towards the shot. Hard to explain, but again, if you watch videos of many pros you will see a bent arm. So, in doing so, I am now wondering if my cue needs to be as long as it is. I might try just one 4" extension. The quest continues.....
Very insightful. How heavy is your cue with the extensions
About 21 ounces, I describe in detail in this video: ruclips.net/video/p1SS36MhGXw/видео.html
Good stuff! It can be really challenging being a tall player. I have noticed that there are no great players that are six fourish or taller. Of course there is Mike Massey. Do you know of any top players that are really tall? l dont know how tall UJ pucket was. lm not talking about six footers, lm talking about tall players.Your thoughts?
Ruslan Chinahov and Eklent Kaci are both very tall. I will make a video about this some day. Agree it is harder for taller players.
Great! Looking forward to watching it.@@ShortstopOnPool G
Great clip. Really enjoyed it. How did you find a case for a 68” cue?
The butt and shafts are each 1" longer than normal, then I have two 4" extensions. Still, I had to find a case with a flexible lid to allow room for the 1" longer pieces.
@@ShortstopOnPool Great thinking. What’s the end weight of the cue ?
@@tomalderman7598 22.6 ounces. Heavy for a normal cue, but given my long wingspan and its balanced well, it does not feel heavy.
@@ShortstopOnPool fantastic. Thank you. Looking forward to future videos.
3:06 "my rear food is behind and in line with my right food" what does that mean?
Whoa! That was 2 years ago and I'm not sure what I meant. I think I misspoke. Was trying to say my feet were in line with shot line compared to former spread-eagle stance. More recent videos I have an even better stance explained better too.ruclips.net/video/ET2aKtTKxMM/видео.html
l read where you said that your cue weight weighed more than most. Did this make a noticeable difference?
My cue weighs 22-1/4 ounces. So it is a bit heavy by most standards. But given my height and leverage it does not feel heavy at all and was very easy to get used to.
I too am tall, 6'6", and am having problems with getting a long cue. I have a stick with a 4" butt extension and both butt and shaft are 30". Problem I running into is that with the extension, the cue does not roll flat and all middle extensions I have tried on vendor demos also wobble terribly. Do you have recommended brands or maker? Also, I feel that having a longer shaft increases deflection (I would prefer shorter and stiffer shaft with longer butts).... any comments? Finally, being so tall, I stand upright behind line to aim but when I drop, the aim line changes so much when I drop to stoke the ball that I loss confidence. Do you experience the same?
I use two 4" shaft extensions. The cue does not roll straight but it doesn't matter. The shaft needs to be straight. IMO butt extensions are too heavy and throw off the balance.
It took a lot of work, but I found a way to enter the shot while keeping my head on the aim line. I plan on making a video just for tall players but it will be a wbile.
@@ShortstopOnPool I'll give it a try but wish they would make cues for taller people.
@@ShortstopOnPool This one is killing me. Certainly making me insane. I'm a tennis pro, 3 handicap golfer and pretty good dart player but I haven't figured out how to overcome the difference in view when dropping down to the shot. Can I just blame the stick?
l recently purchased a 62 inch sneaky pete from pool dawg. Very pleased with it.
Back stroke
What pool cue tip are you using with the cynergy?
I'm still using the same tip I've been using for decades - a Triangle hard tip. Didn't like the Tiger Sniper it came with. I'm open to new tips but haven't spent any time researching or testing........yet......
Put a Techno-Dud tip on a week ago (recommended by John Schmidt). Liking it a lot so far.
@@ShortstopOnPool I have heard good things about it. I know that Skyler might be using it as well as he is sponsored by them.
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