I've followed him for 5 years and have never thrown a disc of his I've purchased to support him lol. Love his content. His entire journey moving, green card, marriage, driver's license,child has been documented. Injuries and recovery. The move to MVP was bigger than Paul moving from Innova.
"Put that weird instrument in the corner to use for us." 🤣🤣🤣 I told my buddy that KJ keeps the glide going in the offseason. He knew exactly what I was referring to behind the PS5.
Simon is the best. As I've often said, Paul Ulibarri taught be to play disc golf, and Simon Lizotte taught me to love it. So cool to see my two favorite players teaching in Power Disc Golf Academy!
The dog analogy was a good one. The point is ANYTHING said in the past is subject to change but you can’t get mad at someone who repeats what you said to them… even 5-10 years ago… it was said. Don’t say shit if you don’t mean it prolly the best policy.
Watching Simon play Hornets Nest is like a dream. I started playing disc golf there in the 90's. It was a short drive from West Charlotte High School while skipping school. The layout was different then, but it's still such a great course!
It doesn't hurt that Simon is the Goku of disc golf. He just seems like the nicest guy of all time. Wears all his intentions on his sleeves. There is nothing I respect more than that.
Agreed. I'm surprised more are not monetizing on yt. If people buy your discs they will probably watch your channel. Also, as a watcher only ratings mean nothing to me. I want to know what place my favs get in a tourney. If you are not a pro, fight over ratings. If you are on tour, ill look at the scoreboard.
I mean, isn't this just an age-old conversation? So many people/companies/orgs sucking up so much of the overall money pool that the the players are treated like puppies who have to keep coming back to the feed bowl? So tired of people making more than the product when they wouldn't make shit if they didn't have the product, and so their treatment of the product diminishes it's value. Is it just me, or is that the definition of exploitation? I would LOVE to see disc golf change that. Majority share to the players no matter what to support a comfortable living wage, and the rest of the folks who facilitate divvy up the remainder because they can't choose/then park a disc through dense woods 400+ feet in the rain and wind. Keep it up Simon. You're on the right track no matter what anyone says.
1050 rated round wirh -19 makes sense if you ubderstand its an algorithm based on the average rating and score of those players. What was the second best round? Clearly the course wasnt that hard of a course.
Well if you try to claim that amateurs who specialize in one single course who can shoot 10 to 15 under par any given round, but a touring pro has to come and try to compete against these local pros blindly, if you think that this is not a problem then you are wrong. David Wiggins Jr used to not play weeklies at his home course because they were PDGA sanctioned events, and there were a lot of locals that played the course three to five rounds per day. Now David was rated high 990s and low 1000s at the time, while these local heroes were rated high sevens to high eights as far as the rating was concerned. So if David (being the highest rated player in the tournament) shot a lower score then one of these local pros rated far below him, he would be severely punished as far as his rating was concerned. To shoot a thousand rated round at this course would require somebody to shoot 17 under par, because there were people rated 800 shooting 14 and 15 under par. The commentator even states that if he was the person in charge of sponsoring players he would base his decision off of their rating, regardless if it was skewed or not. This is the point Brody is trying to make in his arguments. Anybody who is already sponsored and established as a touring pro with a large contract with a manufacturer doesn't have to worry about things like this because their name already carries so much weight. But anybody attempting to become a household name and sponsored by a major manufacturer or company has to seriously consider what events they play because of things like this being so commonplace
More random disc golf channels are definitely not the answer, far too over saturated as is. Simon has seen success because of his format, mcbeth has seen success because he's good, beyond that there really are no good channels. On top of that, if player's are focused on creating content, they are not focused on winning tournaments. Disc golf needs great player's; not an army of people playing while focusing on side hustles.
It's not about having a channel, it's about putting a face and personality to a name. Calvin doesn't need a channel but there's no doubt he'd make money from it from simply uploading clips from his phone, no editing, no nothing but thats cuz Calvin is Calvin too. I haven't checked Joel Freeman's channel but I know he was trying to put out consistent content last year and it probably didn't blow up because he's not very likeable. It just depends on the player. Alden Harris is a more notable player today than 2 years ago thanks to his RUclips despite him being top 20 this year. And that turns into more disc sells and name recognition which does come into play when talking contracts. Simon wouldn't have gotten as big of a contract as he got from MVP if not for his channel. The amount of views he gets is money in the eyes of any sponsor.
When I played ball golf in an amateur club, everyone had a handicap based on par. It was created with mostly your best 10 recent scores so it tended to be artificially low (mine was +12 but I probably was closer to +15). For tournaments with about 30 players there would be two groups, usually +12 and below and those above that. Now with my handicap of +12 I can potentially beat someone with a lower handicap or even win the tournament. When I play a disc golf tournament my only handicap is hopefully people at my exact same skill level enter that division and no one else. This seems unfair if you want to win. Same thing in my bowling league, everyone has a handicap that is 80 or 90 % of difference in your average and 200. I get no handicap with my 200 average buy a 120 average bowler would get a 72 pins of handicap (90% of 80). Anyway, Simon rules the off season.
Players need the establish themselves in tour. When they are a name they can retire to make youtube videos, if you are good at making content, you probably will be better off
You forget that not everyone has the personality, extroversion etc to be able or even good at making vlogs. Who wants to watch dull, cringe worthy vlogs that can in worst cases "kill" your popularity. But disc golf is not the only sport where the athletes get their money from marketing. Most individual sports are like that. Not many sports where you are paid to compete. You are paid for winning and top spots and most of the earnings come from sponsorships, often with clothes companies and of course your own equipment sponsor. Disc golf is just such a new and small sport still and it's also based and marketed as a cheap and almost free to play sport for everyone.
This is the pro version of "am eyes". 2 of these guys think they are better than most because they get a cool drive or a nice putt every now and again. The other goes out and shows what it takes to be on top. Pros are trying to be celebrities and cash in on the influencer trend and their game shows it. Let your score do the talking.
You don't get upvotes here, there is no reason to use the reddit panderstone. Brodie has sensible takes and is probably the best bridge disc golf has to bigger funding pools and wider audiences (think ESPN->NFL).
once again, brodie can kick rocks for shitting on all of us MA3 players that DO play for passion and make his job possible, i created my entire course over 3 years making crap money during covid. everyone is welcome except for him.
Well if you try to claim that amateurs who specialize in one single course who can shoot 10 to 15 under par any given round, but a touring pro has to come and try to compete against these local pros blindly, if you think that this is not a problem then you are wrong. David Wiggins Jr used to not play weeklies at his home course because they were PDGA sanctioned events, and there were a lot of locals that played the course three to five rounds per day. Now David was rated high 990s and low 1000s at the time, while these local heroes were rated high sevens to high eights as far as the rating was concerned. So if David (being the highest rated player in the tournament) shot a lower score then one of these local pros rated far below him, he would be severely punished as far as his rating was concerned. To shoot a thousand rated round at this course would require somebody to shoot 17 under par, because there were people rated 800 shooting 14 and 15 under par. The commentator even states that if he was the person in charge of sponsoring players he would base his decision off of their rating, regardless if it was skewed or not. This is the point Brody is trying to make in his arguments. Anybody who is already sponsored and established as a touring pro with a large contract with a manufacturer doesn't have to worry about things like this because their name already carries so much weight. But anybody attempting to become a household name and sponsored by a major manufacturer or company has to seriously consider what events they play because of things like this being so commonplace.
@@tjtomax missing the point and please don't cover for his jackassery. 1. Amateur players make up the majority of the sport and never get "cashed our." We travel out of pocket and pay up-front just for the opportunity to participate. 2. Disc golf's popularity is driven by amateurs bringing other like-minded folks into the game, promoting disc sales. 3. A "pro" complaining about the calamitous results of mingling with the common folk is egotistical entitlement-driven crocodile tear nonsense. There would be NO money for prizes without the regular players (whose scores can very wildly) putting in work and #omg# affecting rankings. Chump.
@@tjtomax I beat Wiggins once at JStreet at said weeklys as an 890 player. The ratings for sanctioned weeklys were a total joke. Even my rating was skewed downwards. The SSA went from 45 to 40.
The dog analogy was spot on. Simple to understand and he's right
I've followed him for 5 years and have never thrown a disc of his I've purchased to support him lol. Love his content. His entire journey moving, green card, marriage, driver's license,child has been documented. Injuries and recovery. The move to MVP was bigger than Paul moving from Innova.
Simon's move to MVP was the biggest SINCE Paul's move to Discraft.
It wasn’t bigger than Paul’s move but it was big. More unexpected maybe.
Simon is the best combination of professional disc golfer, and vlogger. Nobody is even close. :)
Uli's dog analogy makes perfect sense to me. I think most people just hear the phrase "don't like dogs" and get triggered and stop listening.
Ya. Idk if this guy realizes he was referring to the fact that mcbeth told him that he doesn’t wanna play tourneys that drop his rating in 2015
Yeah, the dog analogy was perfectly sensible. Bad take from disc golf world.
"Put that weird instrument in the corner to use for us." 🤣🤣🤣 I told my buddy that KJ keeps the glide going in the offseason. He knew exactly what I was referring to behind the PS5.
Simon is the best. As I've often said, Paul Ulibarri taught be to play disc golf, and Simon Lizotte taught me to love it. So cool to see my two favorite players teaching in Power Disc Golf Academy!
The dog analogy was a good one. The point is ANYTHING said in the past is subject to change but you can’t get mad at someone who repeats what you said to them… even 5-10 years ago… it was said. Don’t say shit if you don’t mean it prolly the best policy.
Watching Simon play Hornets Nest is like a dream. I started playing disc golf there in the 90's. It was a short drive from West Charlotte High School while skipping school. The layout was different then, but it's still such a great course!
It doesn't hurt that Simon is the Goku of disc golf. He just seems like the nicest guy of all time. Wears all his intentions on his sleeves. There is nothing I respect more than that.
"Put that weird little instrument on the left to use for us" 😂
The dog analogy was the golden retriever of analogies.
I’m trying to learn German so I love his German language vlogs!
Agreed. I'm surprised more are not monetizing on yt. If people buy your discs they will probably watch your channel. Also, as a watcher only ratings mean nothing to me. I want to know what place my favs get in a tourney. If you are not a pro, fight over ratings. If you are on tour, ill look at the scoreboard.
You should name this show “A slow week in Disc Golf” and then put it on a t-shirt.
I mean, isn't this just an age-old conversation? So many people/companies/orgs sucking up so much of the overall money pool that the the players are treated like puppies who have to keep coming back to the feed bowl? So tired of people making more than the product when they wouldn't make shit if they didn't have the product, and so their treatment of the product diminishes it's value. Is it just me, or is that the definition of exploitation? I would LOVE to see disc golf change that. Majority share to the players no matter what to support a comfortable living wage, and the rest of the folks who facilitate divvy up the remainder because they can't choose/then park a disc through dense woods 400+ feet in the rain and wind. Keep it up Simon. You're on the right track no matter what anyone says.
Uli made perfect sense to me with his dog analogy on that podcast. I also thought it was funny. Not sure why you thought it was wack.
What’s your other channel?
1050 rated round wirh -19 makes sense if you ubderstand its an algorithm based on the average rating and score of those players. What was the second best round? Clearly the course wasnt that hard of a course.
Using Simon's rollaway was dirty😂
You’re being a bit obtuse. The dog analogy makes perfect sense.
bong jokes
Well if you try to claim that amateurs who specialize in one single course who can shoot 10 to 15 under par any given round, but a touring pro has to come and try to compete against these local pros blindly, if you think that this is not a problem then you are wrong. David Wiggins Jr used to not play weeklies at his home course because they were PDGA sanctioned events, and there were a lot of locals that played the course three to five rounds per day. Now David was rated high 990s and low 1000s at the time, while these local heroes were rated high sevens to high eights as far as the rating was concerned. So if David (being the highest rated player in the tournament) shot a lower score then one of these local pros rated far below him, he would be severely punished as far as his rating was concerned. To shoot a thousand rated round at this course would require somebody to shoot 17 under par, because there were people rated 800 shooting 14 and 15 under par. The commentator even states that if he was the person in charge of sponsoring players he would base his decision off of their rating, regardless if it was skewed or not. This is the point Brody is trying to make in his arguments. Anybody who is already sponsored and established as a touring pro with a large contract with a manufacturer doesn't have to worry about things like this because their name already carries so much weight. But anybody attempting to become a household name and sponsored by a major manufacturer or company has to seriously consider what events they play because of things like this being so commonplace
More random disc golf channels are definitely not the answer, far too over saturated as is. Simon has seen success because of his format, mcbeth has seen success because he's good, beyond that there really are no good channels. On top of that, if player's are focused on creating content, they are not focused on winning tournaments. Disc golf needs great player's; not an army of people playing while focusing on side hustles.
It's not about having a channel, it's about putting a face and personality to a name. Calvin doesn't need a channel but there's no doubt he'd make money from it from simply uploading clips from his phone, no editing, no nothing but thats cuz Calvin is Calvin too. I haven't checked Joel Freeman's channel but I know he was trying to put out consistent content last year and it probably didn't blow up because he's not very likeable. It just depends on the player. Alden Harris is a more notable player today than 2 years ago thanks to his RUclips despite him being top 20 this year. And that turns into more disc sells and name recognition which does come into play when talking contracts. Simon wouldn't have gotten as big of a contract as he got from MVP if not for his channel. The amount of views he gets is money in the eyes of any sponsor.
When I played ball golf in an amateur club, everyone had a handicap based on par. It was created with mostly your best 10 recent scores so it tended to be artificially low (mine was +12 but I probably was closer to +15). For tournaments with about 30 players there would be two groups, usually +12 and below and those above that. Now with my handicap of +12 I can potentially beat someone with a lower handicap or even win the tournament. When I play a disc golf tournament my only handicap is hopefully people at my exact same skill level enter that division and no one else. This seems unfair if you want to win. Same thing in my bowling league, everyone has a handicap that is 80 or 90 % of difference in your average and 200. I get no handicap with my 200 average buy a 120 average bowler would get a 72 pins of handicap (90% of 80). Anyway, Simon rules the off season.
I pay nothing to ratings. I don't really understand nor do I care to.
I follow where players finish in a tournament.
Players need the establish themselves in tour. When they are a name they can retire to make youtube videos, if you are good at making content, you probably will be better off
You forget that not everyone has the personality, extroversion etc to be able or even good at making vlogs. Who wants to watch dull, cringe worthy vlogs that can in worst cases "kill" your popularity. But disc golf is not the only sport where the athletes get their money from marketing. Most individual sports are like that. Not many sports where you are paid to compete. You are paid for winning and top spots and most of the earnings come from sponsorships, often with clothes companies and of course your own equipment sponsor. Disc golf is just such a new and small sport still and it's also based and marketed as a cheap and almost free to play sport for everyone.
This is the pro version of "am eyes". 2 of these guys think they are better than most because they get a cool drive or a nice putt every now and again. The other goes out and shows what it takes to be on top. Pros are trying to be celebrities and cash in on the influencer trend and their game shows it. Let your score do the talking.
Tip of the day: never speak to brodie smith, never
such an entitled brat
@@michaeutech9201 your comment is being shadowbanned even though it's true
@@Picklemedia my first tournament, he was 12
Lol, found the grumpy guy
You don't get upvotes here, there is no reason to use the reddit panderstone. Brodie has sensible takes and is probably the best bridge disc golf has to bigger funding pools and wider audiences (think ESPN->NFL).
once again, brodie can kick rocks for shitting on all of us MA3 players that DO play for passion and make his job possible, i created my entire course over 3 years making crap money during covid. everyone is welcome except for him.
He didn't do any such thing... You don't have to like him, but don't make up crap and tell lies.
@@clintsawyer7702 yes he did directly miscategorizing amateur players and how they affect his ratings. Use your ears.
Well if you try to claim that amateurs who specialize in one single course who can shoot 10 to 15 under par any given round, but a touring pro has to come and try to compete against these local pros blindly, if you think that this is not a problem then you are wrong. David Wiggins Jr used to not play weeklies at his home course because they were PDGA sanctioned events, and there were a lot of locals that played the course three to five rounds per day. Now David was rated high 990s and low 1000s at the time, while these local heroes were rated high sevens to high eights as far as the rating was concerned. So if David (being the highest rated player in the tournament) shot a lower score then one of these local pros rated far below him, he would be severely punished as far as his rating was concerned. To shoot a thousand rated round at this course would require somebody to shoot 17 under par, because there were people rated 800 shooting 14 and 15 under par. The commentator even states that if he was the person in charge of sponsoring players he would base his decision off of their rating, regardless if it was skewed or not. This is the point Brody is trying to make in his arguments. Anybody who is already sponsored and established as a touring pro with a large contract with a manufacturer doesn't have to worry about things like this because their name already carries so much weight. But anybody attempting to become a household name and sponsored by a major manufacturer or company has to seriously consider what events they play because of things like this being so commonplace.
@@tjtomax missing the point and please don't cover for his jackassery.
1. Amateur players make up the majority of the sport and never get "cashed our." We travel out of pocket and pay up-front just for the opportunity to participate.
2. Disc golf's popularity is driven by amateurs bringing other like-minded folks into the game, promoting disc sales.
3. A "pro" complaining about the calamitous results of mingling with the common folk is egotistical entitlement-driven crocodile tear nonsense. There would be NO money for prizes without the regular players (whose scores can very wildly) putting in work and #omg# affecting rankings. Chump.
@@tjtomax I beat Wiggins once at JStreet at said weeklys as an 890 player. The ratings for sanctioned weeklys were a total joke. Even my rating was skewed downwards. The SSA went from 45 to 40.
kevin had a nice bong to the right of the pc table
Left side! 🤦🏻♂️ 8:56 mark of video!