US Climate Migrations: Are Cities Ready?
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
- US climate migrations have already begun. How bad will it get? What kinds of disasters are we facing? Where are the best and worst places to be, and-no matter where you live-what can you do to prepare for the changes? All in this episode. Have a look!
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David R. Montgomery, Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations (2012) amzn.to/3U1p1ff
Corbett and Corbett, Designing Sustainable Communities: Learning From Village Homes Island Press (December 1, 1999) amzn.to/3WvwiGZ
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Al Shaw, Abrahm Lustgarten, ProPublica, and Jeremy W. Goldsmith, New Climate Maps Show a Transformed United States, Special to ProPublica, September 15, 2020. projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/
Abrahm Lustgarten, Climate Change Will Force a New American Migration, ProPublica, September 15, 2020. www.propublica.org/article/climate-change-will-force-a-new-american-migration
Chi Xu (徐驰), Timothy A. Kohler, Timothy M. Lenton,, Jens-Christian Svenning, and Marten Scheffer, Future of the human climate niche, PNAS, v.117 #21, pp. 11350-11355, (May 26, 2020) www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1910114117
Andrew Lambert, A. Gannet Hallar, Maria Garcia, Courtenay Strong, Elisabeth Andrews, Jenny L. Hand, Dust Impacts of Rapid Agricultural Expansion on the Great Plains, Geophysical Research Letters, Oct 12, 2020. doi.org/10.1029/2020GL090347
www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/are-great-plains-headed-another-dust-bowl-180976117/
www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-threatens-second-dust-bowl/
R. Barbero et al, Climate change presents increased potential for very large fires in the contiguous United States, International Journal of Wildland Fire 24(7) 892-899 (16 July 2015) doi.org/10.1071/WF15083
US Department of Energy Office of Science, High and dry, A new supercomputer drought model projects dry times ahead for much of the nation, especially the Midwest. ACSR Discovery (February 2023) ascr-discovery.org/2023/02/high-and-dry/
Gamelin, B.L., Feinstein, J., Wang, J. et al. Projected U.S. drought extremes through the twenty-first century with vapor pressure deficit. Sci Rep 12, 8615 (2022). doi.org/10.1038/s41598-022-12516-7
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Books mentioned
(Note: as an Amazon Affiliate, I may earn commissions, at no added cost to you, for purchases made through the following links)
David R. Montgomery, Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations (2012) amzn.to/3U1p1ff
Corbett and Corbett, Designing Sustainable Communities: Learning From Village Homes Island Press (December 1, 1999) amzn.to/3WvwiGZ
I'm supprised how very little views real climate change informational videos get compared to the videos questioning how climate change isn't much of a problem.
It's easier. If you deny climate change then you don't have to change anything about society and can keep the status quo. Sure the future will be worse but most climate deniers won't be alive to experience it. It's the epitome of the "fuck you, got mine" attitude that is completely antithetical to humanity.
I'm not, have you ever met someone who is really into conspiracy theories, they will consume all related media to those theories and try to form reason why they agree. They might watch the video, comment their agreement, and then share it to their facebook community who agrees with them. Their relatively high engagement signals to the platform that the video needs to be recommended to similar user profiles, who then might watch the video, this then gets shared to more and more people. In addition to this, while most climate change denying videos might see people of both sides watch, someone who vehemently disagrees that climate change is real won't watch a video such as this, because to them it doesn't make sense to waste their time about something they firmly believe to be untrue. Therefore the number of videos made will decrease and the number of people who watch lowers as well, thus shrinking the number of people for the platform to recommend the video to. This applies to most social media and is the reason why social media is dangerous and can spread misinformation. I hope this helps you understand a bit better.
When it comes to understanding the basics of why platforms operate this way, I recommend reading about "Reed's law", it explains the social reasons as to how and why social media platforms grow.
Astro turf is well funded.
people seek out information they wish will prove their fears wrong.
Surprised at how few views these vids get as well, that’ll probably change soon…
The truly sad part of this is that only those in the upper middle class can afford to move. I would say a minimum of 55% of us are going to have a very hard time of it.
And the longer you wait to make a move, the more expensive it will be. The move is NOW!
😢
Middle class below upper middle class can easily afford to move to cheaper areas
Get out while you can
I’ve been baffled by the mass migration to Florida and Texas over the past few years. Quite possibly some of the least advantageous places to establish residence given the way things are trending.
Doesn’t bother me. Let these snow birds keep flocking 😂
I’ll be long gone in the north.
Or Maricopa County Arizona. I visited there 45 years ago and I thought I might die before I got out THEN--and they say it is getting hotter and more humid.
Same. I recently moved from FL to NC. My hometown was wiped out in Hurricane Ian. It’s absolutely baffling why people keep moving down there, especially with so many insurance companies pulling out.
Would like to see an analysis on the overlap between those moving and those who are climate sceptics.
People are moving there because the overall cost of living is cheaper and it's easier to buy a home. Young people are moving to party cities like Miami or Austin to party since they can't own a home. And most people would rather deal with heat and humidity over freezing cold for 6 months out of the year. So many people aren't thinking past the near future.
Desert cities like Phoenix and Vegas are going to have to switch to what i call "Daylight Losing Time" where normal business hours shift to being open in the middle of the night, and most people sleep in the hottest hours (~10 am to 6pm)
Hilarious...and practical!
I work overnights in Phoenix. It is wild how early everything closes here though…
Have family that lives outside Vegas . This is already happening . Everyone with a dog has to walk them before the sun comes up cuz the pavement gets too hot . She walks her dogs at 5 am and runs into lots of other people doing the same plus joggers etc
This is actually what happens in a lot of Mediterranean towns and on the Iberian peninsula.
I keep telling ppl this and they don’t believe me
the dust bowl was created by plows killing the buffalo grass throughout the plains. Buffalo grass has 6 foot roots which hold the dirt together.
I’d love to see more farmers adopt the no till method. It build healthy soil and thus healthy crops.
I can clearly picture FL congress scoffing at any of the suggested solutions to climate change. "Sustainable transit? No thanks, we much prefer endless urban sprawl and car dependence."
Gridlock traffic, and the Downs Thompson Paradox? Sign me up!
Florida would be such a better state if they had public high speed rail. Mfs cannot drive.
Florida would be OP if they had High speed rail.
The the Brightline is pretty solid and slowly expanding. That is more than most states can say with "Sustainable Transit".
All of Florida gets hit by hurricanes, Florida coastal cities will be flooded out within 50 years as well as fresh water being contaminated by salt infiltration.
As a political science major finishing my degree next semester, i really appreciate informative videos like this which get us thinking about how we're going to solve these problems, atleast in the short term. Its gonna be my generation having to make it through the hard years ahead as gracefully as possible, so having plans in place and ideas circulating is critical.
As a side note, im actually working on a sci fi book set 100 years in the future where world government's terraformed a warmed Antarctica to have a place to put all the climate migrants, so videos like this help me brainstorm what happened to get there and make that world look the way it does
Keep on rocking on 🤘
Underrated comment
Okay... but what are you going to do with the race of aliens who already live there?
Some problems aren't able to be solved, just survived.
Bud, we’re not even going to have a country to save in 4 years 😂😂
Many problems will not be solved. We'll just move onto the next place & hope to survive.
I pity those who come to Tx. Its really hot, really humid and really windy. Water restrictions are normal, as is fights over which city can use the water. If you don't believe in climate change now you will in the future.
Texan here. Georgetown TX is anticipating running out of water due to population growth and drought. Bandera had to stop people watering their yards and using car washes in summer 2023 due to lack of water.
@TheFlinnster true all over the western US.
That wind is cheap to harvest for electric power, if there were a way to swap it with somebody for drinkable water. When industry and people move in they'll pollute the ground water that Texans have now.
@@TheFlinnsterwater restrictions have been going on in Texas for a long time. Other than East Texas it's an arid state. It's the greener East Texas that will soon be dealing with desertification that is moving eastward and the water restrictions that come with it.
My siblings are all in Texas. My biggest fear for them is their crappy power grid gives out on 125 degree days. So many will die.
Ok I worked on golf ⛳ courses all around gulf shores Al and Destin Florida area. What I saw was the chemicals that we had to put on all the grass to keep it green and so called healthy was leaching into some of the lower areas and killing alot of wildlife and developing a metal smell I can't explain other than it says leave..😮 I used to have hope 😭❤❤
Seeing how the Miami skyline has boomed over the past couple decades has been really disheartening, even a small amount of sea level rise can cause salt water intrusion to the aquifers supplying millions. Fingers crossed rural Pennsylvania will see me through 🤞
Living in northern Ontario Canada and 🤞people remain convinced it's too cold. If you love your haven, find your angle that people hate and emphasize the hell out of it 😅
Great Lakes Region is the best place to be, and that includes rural pensylvania.
I am another Miami native too. I am not planning on staying in Miami, as much as I love my city. The politics and general ignorance of this state is disheartening.
@@alejandrocespedes1544 It will improve as wokies move out.
@@comment8767how's that home insurance in Florida? Your governor is too busy trying to kill woke to fix that problem.
My grandparents described the dust storms (they were tweens). Despite the long drought, they'd wet towels to block all the gaps around windows and doors; but the dust was so fine and the wind could be so strong, that it was never enough, just made it tolerable, and still required being replaced ever few hours.
The greatest threat to human civilization is bad leadership, especially from the government. People always flee from bad government. Mismanaging ecology is just one sign of bad government. High taxes, high crime, poor economy, poor health outcomes, etc are a lot more important to your average working person trying to keep out of poverty. The advantage of the US system is that as a federation, different states can pursue different solutions to the coming crises.
Oh, so what aspect of the economy and personal health isn't touched by ecology? Do boats not float on the water, do planes not fly through the sky, are buildings not on the ground? Do workers not eat food grown from the ground? Where does timber come from? What effects your lungs? What do your lungs not effect within your body?
I agree and kinda disagree, the fact each state can make their own rules means they can come up with different ideas until something works, and then the rest of the states follow.
Each state gets to do their own experiments until something works then everyone else copies.
The part I disagree with, is that when everyone flees a bad state (bad state government), then there's nobody left to oppose them and try to change things and get the gov to do the right thing.
Yes, in theory, eventually that state government will feel the negative effects of their population fleeing the state for better states, which theory will convince them to change for the good. But that is a long process, that seems to be more damaging than if people stuck around and got them to change before things got bad.
I think the real problem is actually getting our local governments to just change, or literally do something, anything. It seems like no matter how much your protest of vote, we don't make much progress. So people get hopeless, give up, and flee to another state where things are working or progressing.
Most people do not have the financial means to flee to another city or even state. The geometric progression of human birth rate, especially among the lower income people, provides more people to fill in for those who fled the city or state.
Corporations are also a problem.
@@nicklibby3784 BS! If you leave it to individual states, it will be a disaster! Too many states are controlled by corporate puppets! So the local government makes decisions for the short term and bail when things go wrong. At this time the entire south is run by idiots.
Just found the channel. A few seconds in, he referred to himself as a "permaculture urbanist."
Automatic subscribe.
UPDATE: Was NOT disappointed. The scientific integrity of this channel is really pretty incredible. Great interdisciplinary approach!
Same. IMO its the only valid type of urbanist
Me too
What I’m trying to figure out is how do I get into this field? Had no idea urban planning and permaculture were coming together like this. @edencity do you need an intern?
@@jeffjuracka7428 Ha, I second this. But more generally, I really, really like the idea of forming some sort of organization designed to create the social/political/administrative antecedents necessary for rapid adoption.
One dirty little secret of municipal policies is that copy/paste is ACTUALLY a thing. Once there's a model and politicians find out there's little political risk to adopting it, bureaucrats and interns are lazy and love to have paint-by-numbers available! Not every aspect of Edenicity will be so straightforward, but certain aspects of zoning for example really can be.
Chicago and upper Midwest in Great Lakes basin is most protected from global heating. Winters are so much better, just a few weeks of really cold weather. Summers are hot, but it’s only real hot for a couple months out of the year. We won’t run out of water, won’t run out of electricity, too far from oceans to ever flood or get hit with any super storms from the oceans.
Yes I was was so surprised Chicago and the upper Midwest in the Great Lake basin is the most protected from global heating. I live in Chicago was debating on moving to Texas but did my research and it’s best to stay here.
Just because you’re inland doesn’t mean it’s the most protected. Yes, the Midwest will be protected from sea level rises and flooding, but your region will have more frequent and bigger tornadoes and droughts.
@@C1K450that’s true. There isn’t any where that’s “safe” from climate change, however, the Midwest does seem best..
Why are you promoting it? If it's so magical, you should be slandering it to deter people from coming. Here I'll show you how it's done. As for my state of NH, total crap hole, ugly as hell, 1-star...just AWFUL. Highly don't recommend! 😉 🤫
4 years ago everyone was leaving illinois for arizona and in five years they will be crawling back
The people who don’t believe in climate change are moving to those states that will be almost uninhabitable. We moved from the south last year. People who believe science are moving to safe locations. I do not feel sorry for anyone moving to these places. I do however feel for those who know what’s coming but can not move due to finances. And it really peeves me off because the politicians they vote don’t believe it either and will cause them the problems they will have. And we will have to rescue them.
This is exactly what is happening in the flooding area in the south of Brazil. The local people voted for mayors and governor who doesn't care for the environment and who cut funding for prevention. Now these people are suffering and the federal government, which is not a denier, is the one who is coming for their rescue. Unfortunately many innocent people are suffering as well.
Thank you for sharing this
"And we will have to rescue them." will we? they voted for us all to needlessly suffer and die for decades while science the world over screamed reality at them.
I say, build that wall they always bang on about around those doomed states, and let them enjoy the reality they created for themselves.
A lot of people are just really short sighted and lacking in wisdom.
You think your votes matter?
I live in the Netherlands, we’re prepared for the coming 50 years. Working hard to for the next 50 years. With the decreasing births per thousand, immigration can be a blessing. And we have enough food. We are a very small country, but are the second exporter of agricultural product in the world.
Janette
Hallo, sorry maar
Ik snap gewoon echt niet waar je met dit vandaan komt.
't aantal geboortes is omlaag omdat starters geen huizen kunnen betalen, eten is tering duur en de belasting op benzine is absurd.
De huizen prijzen zijn zo hoog omdat we gigantish veel immigratie hebben en vanwege 't "CO2 probleem".
Ondertussen zit je met 'n populatie immigranten die bijna niets bijdragen aan de economie behalve dat GDP omhoog op papier.
In de echte wereld gaan lonen omlaag, worden bossen, velden en boarderijen vervangen met rijhuisjes en de Nederlandse jeugd kan er voor opdrijven omdat de immigratie grotendeels economisch inactief is behalve dan dat ze de banen die normaal door tieners en 20 jarigen doen...
In 2023 kwamen 400.00 grotendeels economisch inactieven buitenlanders binnen en gingen 200.000 grotendeels economisch actieve nederlanders weg.
En de hele klimaat zooi van 't kabinet is boeren aan't kloten dus die 2de plek als exporter gaat ook niet lang houden.
Waarom vind je dit goed?
Ik snap 't niet.
moving there next year
Hopefully I can move there soon (especially if there are any job opportunities for immigrants and affordable housing)
@@bohoasa affordable housing mfk er the only reason its unaffordable is cuz you bruhs keep walking in nah
Your country has used info about climate change well, wish the U.S had done the same
A friend’s dog has been diagnosed with “Valley Fever.” Dust from the desert involves fungal spores.
AZ is terrible. Lack of water, out of control development, increased population and tons of asphalt and concrete are an environmental disaster waiting to happen.
Ya I don’t know why I moved here. It’s an actual health hazard to be outside during certain parts of the day.
And none of that has anything to do with climate change.
Yeah, well northern Arizona has none of those problems.
@@comment8767right, it's completely shit BEFORE climate change makes it even worse.
@@comment8767 Effects of Climate Change in the region is what's relevant.
Wind breaks that were planted in response to the Dust Bowl have been mostly torn up and replaced with corn here. Many homesteads with forested areas also dozed.
In the US conservation is a hard sell. Any attempt to counter this has to be built around consumerism or using government money to enrich corporations or billionaires.
There is more forest in the eastern US than 50, 100 and 150 years ago.
@@alexei5543 Considering the loss of the American chestnut trees prior to that, naturally reseeding from other trees was eventually going to bridge the gaps. My concern was about windbreaks disappearing in the plains where crop soil is a valuable resource. Between ethanol production increasing the value of corn and tornados over the decades many of the dust bowl crop protections have disappeared.
National parks are great and all for conservation, but a large forest over non-commercial land is a easier sell. Protecting our waterways, wetlands and creating windbreaks with strip parks and grasslands should be a long term approach. A project like the Sahara deserts "Great Green Wall" would be much easier to do now in the US than later on. River's like the Mississippi should have a half mile wide park on both sides. There should be a mile wide strip forest that goes from shore to shore in the US with a rideable trail.
Not only could we create a wall against climate change and top soil erosion, but we can protect the quality of our water by keeping some of farm runoff out.
My farm in Ohio is half forest. I plan on keeping it that way because I like to sit and look at it. I have a view you'd swear was a painting
@@alexei5543 Well when you have 3.5 billion American Chestnut trees wiped out due to blight it tends to create a void that is eventually filled by natural seeding from other species. Trying to spin this as a good thing is a bit much though.
Thank you for this!
I'm always on the lookout for more permaculture talk. It seems the most sensible and the most grounded approach to the future we've sown (pun intended).
We need pragmatic and creative ways to mitigate these issues as it is almost inevitable that we will not be able to slow emissions politically in time.
Subscribed!
Can we call these folks who are moving "Climagrants"?
Only if you spell it correctly, "Climmigrants".
Seeing that exact map on propublica is what convinced me to move from texas in 2022 to the north east in Pennsylvania.
Woohoo Texas get another one cant take the heat
You are one of the smart ones. That heat in Texas is only going to get worse and we have already seen just how good that aging power grid is.
@@nancykraus5127 that was a couple of years ago and the turbines froze because of incompetent bureaucrats, the system that was not winterized work fine. The other two power grids that continuously have brownouts and blackouts have nothing ever said about them.
@nancykraus5127 a few days ago I got an email notification from my power provider detailing all the things they did to prepare their infrastructure and how they were ready for the heatwave we are currently experiencing, and I can't help but remember the emails I got from my texas power provider begging us to conserve power by not doing things like running the dishwasher durring the day or setting the thermostat to higher temp cooling or turning off lights you weren't using. Wild times.
@@kennethhudgins1369 just because you get an email don't mean shit, they most likely put more work in the e-mail than the grid partially because it was from you're provider. Thank you for leaving I hope you love the place sorry Texas wasn't for you.
The slide around 11:49, mapping disaster types onto US states and cities, is excellent.
Moved from the south to minnesota this year. Im considering myself an early climate refugee.
Climate refugees are not alone moving north. There are the healthcare ban refugees, and political refugees also.
You are not a climate refugee! Stop it. Those Pacific Islanders are refugees.
I'm curious why the thumbnail showed people moving south.. I figured the heat would force people north
I saw this coming 7 years ago. I made the decision to leave South Florida for Tennessee after seeing the heat and humidity get worse over the last 30 years. The factors are the rising temperatures, the rising sea levels, the over saturated housing market, the overpriced homes that have zero lot-line, and the younger generation's lack of desire for the same living environment as the Boomers coupled with their inability to purchase the houses, and the incredibly high cost of living. Factor that all in and you're faced with two possibilities: One, things will continue pretty much as normal, or Two, the coastlines will disappear and take the value of the real-estate with it, People will move inland and displace those who can't afford it, but the increasing temps and loss of access to the beach will make Florida less desirable, eventually leading to a catastrophically extreme drop in housing prices that will leave the whole state financially underwater. If you don't leave before that moment, youre screwed... This can all be accelerated by one cat 4-5 hurricane hitting south Florida dead-on. Florida is about to go through it. This isn't even factoring in if the atlantic current shuts down, if that happens, Florida will become an uninhabitable swamp again.
Absolutely love your presentation and discussion style, as well as use of and citation of research and interacting with the websites and articles themselves. Bang on job on a crucial topic. Keep up the excellent work.
This was a fantastic video! Really enjoyed how you broke down the extremely difficult subject matter with factual evidence and studies, while not scaring us but informing us. Instantly subscribed, videos like these are far too uncommon these days!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The most clearheaded description of this issue I’ve come across. Thank you very much! Will be sharing widely
Holy moly this is the exact type of channel I’ve been looking for. Very nice
Most migration is economic. People are leaving big US cities like LA, Chicago and New York for mostly economic reasons.
And people move from the burbs and country to cities for better wages. It’s a cycle.
"the most scary climate model to date" is actually the best case scenario climate model
Firstly- love this video, love this channel, thank you for starting/continuing/facilitating a dialogue about these concepts.
This comment is a bit unrelated to this video, but I wanted to comment here because it's the newest video on your channel and I really wanted you to see it!!
I have been reading a lot about indigenous ways of life and ecological practices, historically and currently, and I have a lot of questions/thoughts about edenicity in relation to this. Edenicity, based on its name alone, and its grid design based around a city square, is pretty Euro-centric in origin. There's nothing wrong with that inherently as I believe it's your intent to take inspiration from the "best" parts of European cities and combining it with the concepts of permaculture. Now I haven't read any books about permaculture specifically, but I know from the bit I've read of indigenous history that a lot of permaculture's ideas are inspired by indigenous practices (thinking in particular of polyculture and food forests and such). Based on the twenty or so of your videos I've watched and thinking in particular of your "Fixing Edenicity" video- I think there are some things you talk about that need to be checked alongside indigenous ways of life to ensure longterm feasibility. Off the top of my head, three things come to mind: the ability/expectation for (some) people to roam and not be tied to one location, the ability of communities to be flexible WITH the environment as it shifts (for example, historically, rivers rarely stay in one place- just look into the history of the Mississippi River delta), and the false dichotomy of "wilderness (zone 5)" vs "civilization (zone 1)".
Now it's not that I don't think you've been IGNORING these thoughts or anything. In some ways you've addressed them a bit- like when you talked about the need for zone 5 advocates to represent the interests of the "wilderness". I think that concept could work really well if this role is given to indigenous people who want to return to and advocate for their ancestral lands. It could be pushed even farther by giving them control over the land and its management, as a form of reparations. They could set up ways of teaching land management to anyone interested in joining them to advocate for "zone 5". But I think maybe this hasn't specifically occurred to you because of the Eurocentricity of edenicity ideas.
I'm no expert in any of these topics (just a passionate reader), but I would love to know what you think about these ideas and I think your ideas would benefit from taking time to center the indigenous perspective. You've already mentioned an indigenous imperial city, Tenochtitlan, and incorporating its ideas into city design. I would love to see more on these topics.
I've also thought about whether houses really need to be fully insulated with processed products gleaned through extractive manufacturing economies, or whether we could build not-entirely-insulated houses with materials provided readily by nature, in shapes that by design cool the space significantly. Check out the youtube channel Nomad Architecture! I've really enjoyed their videos and learning how people manage living in extreme climates.
For more on indigenous history, a few books: Braiding Sweetgrass, Fresh Banana Leaves, and An Indigenous People's History of the United States. I admit I haven't finished these books yet myself but the chapters I've delved into have changed my view on so much. There's also some talks by Julia Watson on youtube, all about embracing indigenous technology in an effort to combat climate change. Her TED talk: m.ruclips.net/video/_DOOJx7AZfM/видео.html&pp=ygUManVsaWEgd2F0c29u
Obviously there are going to be people that want to live in "traditional" housing with insulation and air conditioning- I'll likely be one of them- but people live all kinds of different ways, and it'd be a shame not to recognize ideas from other cultures besides the ones we have most immediate contact with.
I really hope you read this and look into any one of the things I've mentioned!! I really love this channel and I sincerely hope it grows exponentially, this is the EXACT kind of thinking and discussion I've been searching for and wanting to join. I don't have much expertise, but if I can share and connect others that do, I'm more than happy with that role :)
Thanks for the detailed references. I share many of the thoughts and inklings you mentioned, but I try to tread lightly in this area and not presume too much beyond the cityscapes I know so well. Braiding Sweetgrass is on my shelf, waiting its turn in my reading list on this topic (I especially enjoyed the systems thinking evident in Sand Talk by Tyson Yunkaporta). Having read through what I could access of a list assigned to me by Dr. Lyla June Johnston, I agree that indigenous livelihoods, agency and self-determination are likely integral to restoring biodiversity at scale in many parts of the world, and I’ve suggested this in several Season 2 and 3 episodes. Making this happen means finding collaborators whose language and customs embed the deep knowledge of a place, and building a respectful design partnership over time. More to follow when this topic gets its own episode.
Solid video. Thank you for not only covering the issue at hand but also proposing potential mitigations for preventing harm for affected areas.
Thanks! I judge cities by the mitigations they put in place relative to the threats they face.
You just gotta love it when people be like " hey guys, today we'll discuss how a planetary apocalypse coming, and how you can profit or not be affected by moving a few kilometers away".
And there's money to be made in every disaster!
Interestingly, when I looked at the ProPublica map, I noticed that Pennsylvania is hardly affected by climate change. Nothing ever really happens in my state...
That’s a blessing! I’ve heard Pennsylvanians are nice people. Might just migrate there too 😁
@@magesalmanac6424 I'm not sure where you are from, but Philadelphia and the surrounding counties are very expensive. South Central PA, where I live, is more affordable. The rest of the state, except State College, is even more affordable.
Here in tropical Asia, we are being cooked!
South Asia is on a countdown to country ending mass migrations.
Y'all are going to have to live underground eventually. It's really sad
Thirty years ago is was freezing.
This is an interesting phenomena, these migrations patterns. I consider myself an amateur sociologist, and I'm fascinated by cultural trends. So now there is the rise of the "alt-right." and they just really hate what they call "wokeism," that is identity politics of the Left. They also hate high taxes and regulations and are in love with their guns. A lot of these people are flocking to Florida, with Desantis as it's governor who has made as his platform a war against "wokeism." But these same people are also global warming deniers. They don't believe it's real, or its unimportant, or a plot by the "deep state" to bring in Socialism. (because there are Bolsheviks in the closets). These are also the same people who are scientifically illiterate, who think the Earth is only 5,000 yrs old and all the rest. Boy they got another thing coming. When global warming, really heating, really kicks in, and sea level rise and extreme heat makes Florida uninhabitable, what will they say then?
Obviously, they will blame it on abortion. Or gays. Or trans kids. Anything but what it really is, which is a set of deeply unrealistic lifestyle expectations.
Yea and you will be suprised when those very people who you’re ridicule no longer send their crops to the cities, and you end up in your 380 sqft govt subsidized smart coffin eating bioengineered slop, and having your thermostat regulated because of weather or something.
@@Predictbauer They ridicule themselves. Not a one of them can explain how putting trans kids into concentration camps would end inflation or solve the problem of undocumented workers in the US.
It would be interesting to see the predictions for US-to-Canada migration patterns.
Great video. Subscribed. 👍👍
Thanks for the Mollison reference.
I own a small, forested hill farm in Catalonia and am writing my forestry management plan at the moment.
Useful
The slaughter of farm animals completely disregards natural agricultural systems that build soils and forrests through well thought out methods based on location and environment.
It's crazy how many reasons we can find to stop supporting them with our money
Idk man. Most farmers will NOT be letting those "natural agricultural systems" and just let their animals overgraze
the whole concept of animal agriculture is the problem. We deforest 50% of our land for hamburgers and then wonder how we got into this mess. We desperately need to stop this, send that 50 billion dollars in subsidies they get and buy their land, and hire people or the farmers themselves to rewild it. The 8 billion of us only need a fraction of the cropland that 100 billion animals need. The solution is right there and everyone just disregards it or focuses on transportation or useless half measures. This will actually REVERSE climate change as half of habitable land worldwide is used for animal agriculture when it could be forest.
@@RussellB I hope you already eat vegan mostly. I try to cook vegetarian when I can
@@RussellB the algorithm is a stereotype snowball
I moved to Pittsburgh ten years ago from Phoenix, because of climate change. Good to see Pittsburgh is okay, although, we got a bunch of tornadoes in May 😮
Does the humidity increase map show the increase in year round average? My experience so far is that at least in Arizona where we have humid winters, the winters are getting wetter while summers stay dry and get hotter.
These are not averages. They are a measure of days per year with high wet bulb temperatures, or humidity so high that something like 82F feels like 95F. The heat would creep into the wetter months.
Marvelous!! Thank you! I’ve been looking for a synthesizing of all this information!
so glad I found this channel. Keep up the good work. It's crazy how so many people would rather bury their heads in the sand than to face the problem
this is a total lie and an excuse for mass migration
I REALLY enjoyed this perspective of yours, we need more of this fusion between Urbanism/Permaculture bc if we feed into ecological systems they will support or human systems to a degree.
I have lived in Arizona my entire life. I hope to change that in the next ten years.
Why don't you move this year?
Great video. Comprehensive, informative. Commenting to boost engagement because people need to see this.
You good sir, just received a new sub from me. Thank you. Your do diligence will pay off.
Florida the last few years has been like the final moonshot when all the dumb money piles in. I just moved back to NE Ohio. So glad to be out of that mess.
I’d considered all the risk factors, except hadn’t given much thought to the dust bowl, although being in an agricultural zone with expanding growing season was important to me. I decided this was among the best places to be excepting Northern New England which is very expensive. Very concise video.
By far the best place to go is the great lakes. I'm from the suburbs of Buffalo where you can still buy a beautiful house in a great school district for $300k.
0:11 You're not the only permaculture urbanist. I'm one too, I'm just very very early in my career (finishing my degree in planning right now and want to do design work where I use permaculture principles in my workflow)
Whew--it was getting lonely. Glad you plan to bring permaculture into your work. While the opportunities may not be ready-made, it's hard to overstate the need for ecologically sound urban design.
I cannot locate the link that they are referring to at 3:30. Could someone help direct me?
A billionaire boom in ... Florida.
I really don't want to hear about how they're smarter than the rest of us. 🤦♀️
Wow this great. Kind of terrifying what we're facing but slightly less terrifying if we can see it coming and try to act
Even more terrifying when you imagine it is coming.
@@comment8767 Even MORE terrifying when you realize our "best guesses" are still only guesses. We have no idea what will really happen.
this channel is fantastic, i hope it grows
First video of yours I've seen. Right on! Thumb's up, new sub.
Economic equity is not a realistic goal, given the rest of the system independent of climate
cool video
Do you know if there are similar maps for europe?
Try your local university’s ecology department. Scientists love to chat to the public. They have loads of maps and data.
Love this video, living in south Louisiana, it seems all of the ways to fight climate change seems very necessary for my community and others to survive, Thank You.
I predicted 15 years ago that insurance rates would be major spur to change, but its been slow even in that realm. Although some places are largely uninsurable.
This is a Great video! Very informative. We won’t be able to get everyone to plan for the changing future but it’s important for those of us who are long term planers to get ourselves situated and settled before the 💩 hits the fan. And for the more compassionate souls among us to help the displaced shortsighted people. 😊
Chicago is in a better place compared to some other cities. Chicago has potential if it can be done well Chicago can handle the changes better than other places.
Chicago has been making great strides to improve, especially politically, and it’s been awesome to see. Plus Lake Michigan is right there so there will never be a risk of running out of water. The real climate worries will be air pollution from wildfires and the humidity coming from the lake. I think people forget how HOT Chicago can get, we have extremes of both with summers regularly getting to the 100s, and when you combine that with the humidity, the lack of air conditioning in many apartments, as well as the urban heat island effect it can get deadly fast. If Chicago can combat the air conditioning and urban heat issue and switch to renewables than the city should be fine for the foreseeable future
@@soymilkman We are in a good position to use wind power but it will take significant investment.
@@soymilkman Chicago will unfortunately be NY levels of expensive in about 10-15 years
@@StayFreshMyFriends Do you do stock predictions also? Any recommendations?
This is interesting but I think it begs the question of whether the distribution of people in the United States is, or has ever been, consistent with what a model like this would predict. There are many places with very unpleasant weather where people live already - Phoenix in the summer or Upstate New York in the winter - they stay for many reasons
The predictions for 2070 deserve skepticism (the data is too noisy for us to make a near term prediction we might be judged against but trust us that our predictive capabilities are better for 50 years out) and the speculation regarding the human costs seem very pessimistic. I tend to think the way humanity has managed to make AZ livable is through technology and that we will continue to do so
As for the “right way” for human development to occur, being able to have your own property and space around yourself that the suburbs provide compared with living in densely packed cities is one of the great equalizers provided in America. It is a joy only the super rich could enjoy in Europe. The car and highway system are a necessary means to facilitate this. You call it a problem but it is essential. Too often, the answer from the environmentalist is to demand people accept a lower quality of life and then to scold and attempt to shame the populace when they don’t accept the proposition. The continued use of this approach makes me suspect the purpose of the efforts are more for the positive effects they get from trying than for actually achieving any positive result
See: California
@@karnubawax Can you be more specific? California can be an example of so many things (good and bad)
Amazing presentation. Kuddos on making it engaging throughout its entirety!
I’m more concerned about crime and riot migration.
THe reality is as most climatologists have stated the worst senario is almost a certainty. Not an American, but looking at the niche movement, the US is one of the lucky countries along with the EU despite the fact the USA and the EU including my country Canada who created most of the problem are getting off lightly. The US and EU have somewhere to go in country internally. India and much of Africa not so much. Both US and even more so EU will face massive migration. China's optimum moves into Russia. This will be catastrophismic creating massive migrations and disruptions of supply chains. Russia is the most vulnerable of the countries to migration that will have alternatives like US and EU.
The difference below and above the lakes right now is amazing, while below the US has been depopulating, above is hugely increasing with Metro Toronto recently passing Chicago in popuation. Here, there are serious pressures for intensification partly because a green belt surrounds Toronto. I have to wonder also whether the natural drainage will be enough. Toronto was hit by a hurricane in 1952 which resulted in all exiating river valleys going into the lake being turned into parks, but they going to be enough?
The Beaches are toast and those condos on the lakeshore but not so far inland it will be dry. The big issue is crime as unemployment will go to 80% and food. If you can relocate north east but not near the popular cottage lakes
By definition, the "worst case scenario" is NOT "almost a certainty". Do you have any evidence to support this?
Love this video -- so stoked to find your channel
You may not believe in climate change but it believes in you. The future people will have it very hard.
WHY is the US not investing in geoengineering! They're not even trying to slow the water loss or prevent the erosion
The Biden administration has made significant investments in the transition to renewable energy and electrified transportation. This transition is absolutely essential to stop the warming of the atmosphere and greatly reduce the severity of climate change.
More is needed, and it is needed ASAP.
That requires acknowledging there’s a problem and then the political will to do it .
@@MightyKingYoung Ever heard of the US Army Corp of Engineers?? Geoengineering is pretty much what they do.
Unfortunately, they're usually doing the opposite of what is needed to maintain a healthy biosphere in the long run.
Thanks a lot, California, Texas, and the Deep South. You really did it for the rest of us
We are already seeing a lot of in-migration in Maine! 9th state in the country according to that metric, when I was a kid we were losing population.
Just found your channel. love it!
Where do we look this up for ourselves? Edenicity site just has a bunch of pictures and links to podcast episodes. Where is the place to look up by location?
in the description box of the video, he links all the sources
Looks like Wisconsin and Michigan are the place to be.
Any where in the Great Lakes watershed is a good place to live. Remember 20% if the worlds fresh water is in the great lakes.
@@joegaines8826 Why Michigan has the best location. Entire land mass is in the GL watershed. Most of the other states that touch the GL have little land in the watershed. Exception is NY and WI, but most of NY is in the Hudson Valley watershed and 2/3rds of WI is in the Mississippi watershed; IL and MN are even more so in the Mississippi watershed. Most of OH and IN are in the Ohio River watershed.
@@xdanbo1859 Good point.
You're a useful information. Thanks for sharing. I live in a flyover state on the Great plains. Family's been here since 1871 so they've been through the dust storm and all that stuff. Actually looking at it it's going to be a challenge but I don't think we're going to have to move. Stop growing corn. We just start growing dry land wheat
Dont forget to paint your roof blue folks!
Hello from Flint. Please move here
Insurance for Florida real estate can't handle another hurricane. And is about to get smashed.
Super informative. Thank you!
Trying to get to either Washington State , or West Virginia/Pennsylvania. Unfortunately nothing will change until the world is literally burning...but by then even with technological advances we would still have to wait centuries for any climate change reversal, IF our tech can even manage it at that point (Spoiler: Nah we are doomed lol)
Action on a global scale would need to start now and fundamental change in society and also societal norms. If not then we have no real chance.
This isn't even mentioning the climate refugees from the global south that the global north essentially middlefingered. So unchanged expect upwards of 500+ million dead at a minimum on current trajectory.
It's sad man. As a Genz I can't even say I want to buy a house in x y z because past gens screwed up so bad. Now it's either "what gives me the best chance of survival in 20-50 years" or "flex , party, live fast and hope I die early enough for it to not matter later on" (aka Just give up which is actually rational...why stress when nothing concrete is being done)
Michigan is better than West Virginia, we have no fires and barely any tornadoes. It's the safest (from natural disaster), most resource secure state in the union. Maybe the world, if you weight natural resources and manufacturing. Auto, Herman Miller, iron, copper, salt, gypsum, limestone, gravel, clay, timber, etc. etc. etc. and obviously 2 of the top 10 largest bodies of fresh water in the world, with an overflow of 190,000 cubic feet per second. We're sitting pretty, here in MI. Our droughts are when the swamp dries up and the 80 ft deep local lake is 1 ft down, and the river is half as deep as usual. When you cut your lawn short during the drought, it can turn yellow, but if you leave it 4 inches tall, the morning dew keeps it hydrated.
As a Gen Z, you will be fine. Your generation will be fine. Your children’s generation will be fine. While some of the milder predictions may prove true, the extreme predictions never do. This is all based on computer modeling, which is only as good as the limited data provided. Humanity is extremely adaptable. Right now, millions, arguably billions of people live in areas which were largely uninhabitable 50-100 years ago, largely due to technology, and improved farming practices. Take a city like Phoenix, for example, or look at the current population boom of sub-saharan Africa. In 50-100 years, migration patterns will still be based on what they’ve always been based upon-mostly economic opportunity, and of course wars, which have been happening since before history. And remember, even today, more people die from extreme cold each year than extreme heat.
@@sc100ott
I'll be real , it's less about the climate change and just frustration that nothing serious is being done about it today. And while yes I'll be "fine" I'll still face higher cost, greedy companies and tbh a more fascist world along with a alot of other issues. I guess the whole point is that it's been like 5-7k years( as far as we know) of modern history and it's like as a species we don't learn anything outside our tech and medicine. I don't think about this day to day cause I gotta live, but damn.
Plus I'm concious enough to know if I can help the future gen no matter how small I will. That's one of the points. Yes I'll live my life but if they are coming into the world they need to be able to live too and not just survive.
It's that kinda mentality that kinda screwed us into the first place.
"We are adaptable"
Yes so is a lot of animals. Unfortunately that doesn't stop them from going extint.
Yes we are intelligent but the masses of lot of generations previous just thought that. That we would survive that their kids would find a way. In a way it's cool. Glad they have the confidence. On the other hand it's incredibly selfish.
Imagine leaving your trash out and saying that someone else will handle it...except in this case we don't have garbage trucks to take it away.
However you do have a point it's just a little off from what I was saying.
@@madl1uck824 "I am conscious enough..." Self-flattery....
I live in Pennsylvania it’s a nice place to live
Every generation has people who think the sky is falling and human narcissism makes them think it'll happen during their time on this rock.
This is true. One generation will be right. Science suggests it’s ours 😂
Excellently composed and presented, thank you. This is making me consider and _reconsider_ a lot!
Growing up in Michigan I hated it with the brutal winters. But now there's no other place I would want to be. I went to Texas last year to visit my Grandma and it was 110 every day. Even walking into a store felt unbearable with the heat blast. In the summers it never gets to 100 and by 8-9 pm it's only 70-75 degrees. In the winters you can just stay inside and go to indoor water parks, stores, malls and other places. In 20 years I've only had our power go out maybe a handful of times and the longest it was out was maybe for a day or two. I've never experienced a flood, hurricane or tornado. I'd rather deal with freezing cold temperatures then scorching heat in the Summer.
We can't address these issues due to capitalism. Anything that upsets the ability to gain profits now, in the moment, is seen as the villain.
Disinformation campaigns, stripping education at a local level and sheer hubris will stop us from not just stopping/slowing climate change but will have us pitted against eachother like a pvp video game.
Solidarity can save us but capitalism has divided us.
I recommend you read 3 books: -Capital Volume 1 by Karl Marx
-Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism
by Vladimir Lenin
-Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky
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Noam wrote the book but couldn't recognize it in action in the past few years. He went fascist wanting people segregated in their home if they valued their Bodily Autonomy. Saying getting food would be their own problem if they didn't want to vaccinate. All that for a manufacturered sickness with a manufacturered cure. Capitalism is bad business unless it's a pharmaceutical business.
Great recommendations. I hope someone takes them seriously and doesn't just scoff them off
Crackpot Maoist here!
How has communism worked out for any one they to hungry to say
Marx was a terrible person.
Where do cites get their food though? No such thing as a sustainable city.
Cities are essential for the modern world, cars, electronics, telecommunications, etc. all require cities to operate. The megacorps need cities, too. Cities are SO productive, but yes, they don't grow their own food. You don't design, manufacture and assemble your own cars in the country, though.
See the rest of this channel, he goes into a lot of design principles for higher density development with localized food production.
@@Pistolita221 The modern world is at direct odds with our survival on Earth...
How are cities productive for nature? Paving forests and wetlands destroys where food and productivity come from. We're in a mass extinction, the Anthropocene.
@@Sharukurusu I'm sorry but that's a pipe dream. There is simply no way a modern city like the SF Bay Area for instance is going to be able to produce food for 7 million people.
@@karnubawax London had 6.6mil in 1900, unless you think we’re reverting to deep preindustrial levels I don’t think city size is as impossible as you think. We do need to reincorporate agriculture into city limits and restructure farming to not degrade land though.
The transition between really hot to really cold is the X factor. Is it years or months to allow for migration. Winnipeg will stay the same -30 throughout the whole thing.
This is a great analysis from a climate perspective but I think people make migration decisions based on other factors as well. State politics, taxes, economies, housing affordability. For example, here in California most folks who leave do so as a rejection of our political structures
The most climate change resistant place in the world is Michigan, change my mind.
Ohio
@@richardhanes7370 Ohio doesn't have the salt, gravel, etc. that michigan has, even though it is a little better for agriculture. Michigan also has more lake effect and probably fewer tornadoes.
Washington State
@@nicklibby3784 Washington State doesn't have as much water, or as much silt, or salt. Michigan and Ohio are some of the most fertile states in the union. But again, Ohio has less water and fewer mineral resources. But Washington is a good choice, just not quite as good as michigan. We also have the lake effect, which is enough to reduce temperature swings, but small enough to not create proper marine storms (storm surges, winds over 100mph). Washington has the Pacific, which means ocean storms can ride up the coast to you. There's also a fault line out there, no fault lines in michigan.
Well according to the models in this video most of Michigan will be part of the “dust bowl”, with an enhanced risk of derecho’s and tornadoes. You can have Oklahoma 2 electric boogaloo, I’ll be fine here in New England lol
As if anyone can even afford to move out anymore.
Very well put together and informative video. thank you for this public service!
I wonder what’s the reason maine is in the good temp belt for moderate emissions but not for high emissions?
Looks like northern Illinois has it pretty good. Too bad we’re going to be swamped by climate refugees.
Yup, nowhere is going to be uneffected.
buy property now if you can.
There may be people planning a move based on climate change, but it is not a substantial trend yet. Places like Arizona, Texas, and Florida, not to mention spots in other Sun Belt states continue to grow. I guess my question is: how sure are we of the models which say X location is a "safer" location? I understand it may be warmer in parts of the Sun Belt, but not all spots are equal. For example, western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee are not Phoenix or San Antonio minus the cactus and adding a few extra hills. I frequently see videos and internet stories which tout specific locations (Buffalo, NY and Duluth, MN are favorites) yet a series of bad weather event happens in one of those places then it's: oops, scratch that! Forget that location, the new and improved location is____(fill in the blank). All of that leaves me wondering just how solid are these specific model predictions. Videos such as this do a decent job at looking at overall tendencies around the US, but diving down into specific locations seems a bit risky at this stage.
It's more about the resilience of a given city than whether the models predict a particular catastrophe. It helps to look at how many threats a city faces, and how many mitigations it's putting in place now. Even without adverse weather events, the mitigations improve daily quality of life and overall affordability.
@@edenicity Agreed.
@@edenicity Resilience of a city? Like Detroit. It is adapting, but it is adapting to social and economic forces that are the real drivers of human settlement patterns. NOT CLIMATE. Cities in north america change on the scale of decades to social and economic drivers - not weather. Globally, humans have been moving to warmer climates for the last several hundred years. There doesn't seem to be any change to that. Climate change as a driver of human demographics is simply wrong.
@@alexei5543 Agreed. If anything people are leaving better climates to move to worse ones. Which just goes to show that only a tiny portion of people even consider it a factor.
Where can I find info on the state of Hawaii????
Wish you had put a link to the map so we could input our counties. I searched for awhile and gave up.
See the pinned comment at the top of the comments. It now has all the links from the Description. I'm seeing comments like yours on other channels, and creators are starting to copy Descriptions into pinned comments as a work-around. This will probably become the norm until RUclips cleans up its interface.
Weather modified these storms come out of nowhere especially when you see beautiful blue skies then some jets leaving a trail of whatever it is and then it starts getting cloudy after that hmmm yeah ok.
How come most of these earnest people don't seem to understand that the world has cycles that can be decadal all the way up to millions of years long? The North African area was once a food bowl.
Just recently it's been mostly desert. It is in the middle of a change right now. There has been massive rainfalls in some areas of the Middle East that have not been seen for many years.
They just finished building a large dam in Ethiopia at the head of the Nile. People laughed and said it was ridiculous. Now the dam is nearly full. Things go in cycles, it's got NOTHING to do with CO2.
People who are really in charge know these things, and are profiting from it.
the whole c02 thing is a thinly veiled eugenicist goal of less people. We & all other life *need* it, aint complicated to realize this. Not just your example, but this whole thing falls flat on its' face when you consider geo engineering too. Mfs who follow this like a cult love to ignore that problem, & those who dont somehow think it's a good thing, not wanting to admit theyve been wrong on this subject 😂
@@mfspectacular Amen. Reading the comments here feels like reading the ranting of religious fanatics that are high on End Times rapture. Climate changes and it is a geologic process...on a geologic timescale.
@@alexei5543 The religion is called Ecotopianism and it is the state religion of my state - California.
And there is no separation of church and state here - they are one and the same.
Just like the political elites want to set borders in stone for all eternity, they want to do the same with the weather. They simply don't understand that THINGS CHANGE.
I live on Long Island and it never really occured to me until now just how many people I know or grew up with that left for the south over the years. It’s sad to see my home become so undesirable
The property taxes are insane there. I still visit Montauk to see family and friends but that’s it for NY for me now. It was a great place to grow up.
How did this get to my algorithm?? Catastrophism obsession is rough
this is actually about solutions to catastrophes, it is religious conservative people that say life on Earth is hopeless and only their magic guy can fix everything, now that's pessimistic
Guys…this counts us citizens, imagine how many climate refugees would come from Latin America….
They already are
Don't have to imagine it since the elites threw the border open.