I am blown away! This was definitely, for me, your best episode Alice and Louise. And I love all your episodes! Thank you so much, for thinking of bringing Seth Godin and sharing him with us. It was not cotton candy easy to accept everything he was saying.. in fact I found myself, like Alice, ‘no wait a minute that’s not entirely true’ ie choosing one or the other. Why can’t I create something that I love, visually pleasing to ME and still share it with others, who might also enjoy it? Why can there be no balance, just like Louise asked? But then he went deeper and explained it so well. Oh my I want to go on forever trying to explain how I felt. Please please bring him back. Love you both, and love Seth too ❤️
THIS IS BRILLIANT!!! SO WELL EXPLAINED re Art vs paintings, shared sensibilities, process, product, fame, worth, status, YES -- Fairy and Banksy! INSPIRATIONAL!
LOOOVED!!! You all brought so much insight to artists in this episode. Hands down this was my all time favorite podcast episode I have ever listened to. Thank you for sharing your authentic selves with us and for interviewing Seth. He is full of wisdom and delivers it with heart. I want to listen to it again. ❤❤❤
Holy Smokes !!Louise, I'm also a huge Seth Godin fan, and am loving "The Practice" Thank you so deeply for daring to extend the invite to him! Great conversation, and heartfelt responses for all. Thank you, you all are my "high spot" this weekend! Hugs from Houston, Carol
I listened yesterday and again today. Love it. As Ive had to explain to my husband, I'm not always painting a picture. Theres a lot of paper and scrap canvases in my space with paint splotches. But each is answering a question to myself. And I may do studies to figure something out. Practice. Not to sell as a small painting. The musician doesn't practice in a full theatre. I also believe in his words about choosing where to show. Not all venues are suitable. Now I have to go find his book! Looking forward to a possible encore with Seth in 2021!
Hi Connie, we shouldn,t seek perfectiom, we just seek progress. AS Alice said, about the runners, although we may not have finished this particular marathon, but we,re still in the race, to keep practicing
I have to say that this is a more thoughtful, kinder, more generous Seth Godin that I saw in a couple other vids (2016 CreativeLive interview and ConnectKit convention). Rather than a shuttlecock bouncing back and forth, Louise and Alice had a real meaningful conversation. Now I may become a Seth Godin fan.
But but but.... what if inside of me is a miriad of people, one wants to paint daisies, another wants to unleash herself in the explosions and squigles of abstract painting, another wants to explore the darkness -- and I can go on forever -- all of them want to speak, all of them are hungry to be heard, and the one body holding them needs to pay the bills and keep the habit? Expressing myself is expensive 🤣🖤
I went to art college before we talked about practice but I knew I wanted to paint. I began to realise that I was missing something a few years ago and now I know more precisely what it was. I can’t thank you all enough.
Before watching this and watching your other videos, I strongly believed that if I didn’t sell anything I’m not any good and I wondered what the hell I’m doing all this for and why do I need permission from strangers and people I know to tell me I’m good. It’s a deep issue that goes back to always wanting to please people but never myself growing up...My thoughts are changing very much on this...thank you for another great podcast 😊
I agree with Alice-I believe that we often start to show our work at art tours and open studios to put our work out there. Over time, people start to recognize your work, and if they appreciate it, they usually appreciate your work at an art fair as well. This happened to me today. The young woman asked me if I had some of my work on display at another location and I said yes! Thanks for noticing. She didn’t buy a painting from me today but we made a connection and I know we will cross paths again, maybe at another art tour.
Thank you Seth Louise and Alice. Such a fantastic interview in helping me sort out my own self reflection and understanding my practice and why I still paint. I bought his book.
Good Stuff, I've read The Practice several times it's a real dose of realism. Seth says things like "none of us are probably as good as we think we are" and "if you're an artist you have no right to expect that anyone at all will appreciate your art". At first I thought this was so different to what people like life coach Tony Robbins and all the "what the mind of man can conceive it can achieve" gurus say. But actually the more I read the Practice I realised the similarities between Tony's and Seth's messages. Tony says "if what you're doing isn't working change" and that "success leaves clues", copy what other successful people do long enough and well enough and you too will be successful. IE become what Seth calls a Hack, a Hack simply serves the market and gives people what they want. True artists have to make peace with the fact that their art may only be seen as inspirational by a small select group or even no one at all. Unfortunately, many artists from Nick Drake to Vincent Van Goth weren't appreciated in their lifetime and they lead unhappy lives as a result. Thanks for the interview I always have time to listen to Seth. New subscriber here.
Total enjoyed the lessons shared in your podcast. I also learn what it is I want from creating art. I so appreciate the advice given by Seth Godwin and now I chose to create my practice of exploring, learning and making my art better. Thank you so much Louise and Alice for posting this valuable lesson.
Point taken re Hilma Af Klint, yet we also must recall that she was painting a spiritual philosophy as a type of "download" of what "the Masters" were revealing (check out Theophopy to learn more). She didn't see it in quite the same way from what I have researched about her, as Seth Godin remarks here, much as I appreciate his comment. I really do appreciate his mention of Helen Frankenthaler and Clyfford Still. We "see" differently and are constantly reminded about the integrity of being creative and connected with one's own soul/voice/interest/inspiration/courage of one's convictions and expressing that in art-making/narrative. They were two artists who stayed with what moved them and found the avenues to show their work that lined up with their deeply held values.
I also think he underplays what it meant to be a woman back then and how hard it would have been to come forward with revolutionary work and be taken seriously.
I think analyzing what you as an individual like, and then applying those preferences to your work (whatever genre you work in) may be derivative, but is also a way to start to do work meaningful to yourself. I've found from that point, what follows often morphs into something truly original, that still resonates with audiences because there is a feeling of recognition in the audience, of something that feels familiar yet is unique.
This was brilliant! Thank you all three for a really stimulating conversation. And I hope you and Alice both enjoyed a celebratory cocktail afterwards! (And perhaps a week off? LOL!)
VERY inspiring conversation, thank you so much! I personally very much value creative freedom and the power that resides in making that choice. However, one thing really doesn't sit well with me ... I felt that the "reassuring messages" intertwined in this conversation started to sound like excuses for artists to keep believing in the struggling, starving artist myth. As if it were something to be proud of? It's almost 2021, aren't we over that by now? Isn't there a different way? Shouldn't we as creative minds be the front-runners to think outside the box on both a creative AND a practical level so we are actually able to fund our studio practice and dedicate our life to our purpose, without the need for a bill-paying spouse or a full-time job that keeps us away from the studio? There is so much grey zone between the extremes of the artist who chooses to engage with the market and the (romantic?) idea of the artist who's struggling to make ends meet ... but hey, at least (s)he is honest in their creative process? 🤔 The grey zone may be more of a slippery slope but is still worthy of being addressed because that is where new and re-imagined possibilities reside ... Again though, lots of nuggets of wisdom packed in a brief conversation. Thank you very much!
No argument from me - I make my living as an artist and am very proud of my business savvy. I guess I just didn't hear that undercurrent in the conversation xx
Yes how ridiculous,art fairs are where alot of painters sell and begin to get there careers off to a start, he's talking about banksy he started off by doing a bit of graffiti here and there,I would like to know how Louise and Alice started selling their first few paintings
Sorry, but im with you Louise. Who cares who my audience is? I can't think about that when I'm doing art. Thats the last thing on my mind. I'm there to have fun.
I hate to be the one to question this guys "expertise," but is there really a wrong way to promote your art? Not sure that I believe there is only one right way to move forward as an artist.
Nothing wrong with craft fairs. It might be a good place to start for alot of people. Way too analytical for me. Sometimes it's all about stepping out.
Hey! NEVER use the phrase "real art" again, OK? It's all real, what I do, what Louise does, what you do, it's REAL! Your off-hand dismissal of art that doesn't sell for a zillion dollars is insulting.
@@ThisPaintingLife Hi Louise, if there is such a thing as real art, I believe that no one ever thinks they are creating a masterpiece, they simply have a love of a practice, a need to create, maybe an obsession. If you do what you love, you will love what you do. It,s an honesty, sincerity, if someone else likes it too, Boom bonus. That,s why I was dascinated by "outsider Art!" and the fascinating tv programme, " turning the artworld inside out" hosted by Alan Yentob talking about "Carlo Zinelli" creating in an asylum.. Love the podcast with Alice, yourself and Seth Godin, ty
@@justsayin4017 Hi boom bonus..I saw a painting in a very elderly ladies house, she bought it because it reminded her of the time her long passed husband built a shed in the garden and a duck......also I saw a purple monochrome landscape obviously done from a photo sell to a lady who was recovering from a stroke, she instantly fell in love with it. So I learnt art is for people, many different kinds and connections ,all so precious. Kind of like 'there is a Jack for every Jill! And the backyard jeweller may have a daughter who made it to the silver screen, who has friends with money, who has interesting connections. Any salesperson will tell you not to judge a book by its cover, or shoes
OMG! that was soooo reassuring! I'm 64 and finally painting and I truly don't care if I never sell a thing!
Good for you!!
Absolutely the best interview I cannot believe I have never heard of Seth before. This was so fabulous thank you from the bottom of my soul .
Glad you enjoyed it!
very true artist v painter. The bottom line for me is don't paint for approval, paint because it gives you something nothing else does
I am blown away! This was definitely, for me, your best episode Alice and Louise. And I love all your episodes! Thank you so much, for thinking of bringing Seth Godin and sharing him with us. It was not cotton candy easy to accept everything he was saying.. in fact I found myself, like Alice, ‘no wait a minute that’s not entirely true’ ie choosing one or the other. Why can’t I create something that I love, visually pleasing to ME and still share it with others, who might also enjoy it? Why can there be no balance, just like Louise asked? But then he went deeper and explained it so well. Oh my I want to go on forever trying to explain how I felt. Please please bring him back. Love you both, and love Seth too ❤️
I do hope we can get him back - it was so inspiring!
THIS IS BRILLIANT!!! SO WELL EXPLAINED re Art vs paintings, shared sensibilities, process, product, fame, worth, status, YES -- Fairy and Banksy! INSPIRATIONAL!
Glad it was helpful!
I must say this whole journey whatever you put out there so many times there are no words to describe the impact on us
LOOOVED!!! You all brought so much insight to artists in this episode. Hands down this was my all time favorite podcast episode I have ever listened to. Thank you for sharing your authentic selves with us and for interviewing Seth. He is full of wisdom and delivers it with heart. I want to listen to it again. ❤❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent! I am a doctor who is also an painter (artist) and this makes perfect sense to me. 👍🏻
Cool, thanks!
Holy Smokes !!Louise, I'm also a huge Seth Godin fan, and am loving "The Practice" Thank you so deeply for daring to extend the invite to him! Great conversation, and heartfelt responses for all. Thank you, you all are my "high spot" this weekend! Hugs from Houston, Carol
Wonderful!
Thank you Ladies and Gentleman. This was so encouraging and so honest.❤️🥰
Thanks Ann - so glad you enjoyed it :)
I listened yesterday and again today. Love it. As Ive had to explain to my husband, I'm not always painting a picture. Theres a lot of paper and scrap canvases in my space with paint splotches. But each is answering a question to myself. And I may do studies to figure something out. Practice. Not to sell as a small painting. The musician doesn't practice in a full theatre. I also believe in his words about choosing where to show. Not all venues are suitable. Now I have to go find his book! Looking forward to a possible encore with Seth in 2021!
I hope we have the encore too xx
Yes I hope we get to do that!
Hi Connie, we shouldn,t seek perfectiom, we just seek progress. AS Alice said, about the runners, although we may not have finished this particular marathon, but we,re still in the race, to keep practicing
I have to say that this is a more thoughtful, kinder, more generous Seth Godin that I saw in a couple other vids (2016 CreativeLive interview and ConnectKit convention). Rather than a shuttlecock bouncing back and forth, Louise and Alice had a real meaningful conversation. Now I may become a Seth Godin fan.
He is such a lovely man x
Really, really enjoyed this conversation, left me with an enormous lot to process. thankyou so much.
Our pleasure!
But but but.... what if inside of me is a miriad of people, one wants to paint daisies, another wants to unleash herself in the explosions and squigles of abstract painting, another wants to explore the darkness -- and I can go on forever -- all of them want to speak, all of them are hungry to be heard, and the one body holding them needs to pay the bills and keep the habit? Expressing myself is expensive 🤣🖤
Thankyou for the conversation today....we just keep on going on...no matter what!! Finding our joy and our voice....thankyou all xx
My suggestion would be: make everything your gut tells you. Time will help you decide which work and which clients you prefer the most.
I went to art college before we talked about practice but I knew I wanted to paint. I began to realise that I was missing something a few years ago and now I know more precisely what it was. I can’t thank you all enough.
You are so welcome xx
Thank you, thank you…this was priceless❤
So glad you enjoyed it!
Before watching this and watching your other videos, I strongly believed that if I didn’t sell anything I’m not any good and I wondered what the hell I’m doing all this for and why do I need permission from strangers and people I know to tell me I’m good. It’s a deep issue that goes back to always wanting to please people but never myself growing up...My thoughts are changing very much on this...thank you for another great podcast 😊
Thank YOU for listening!
Working in the trenches matters, as does trusting your process. Beautiful discussion! Well done you two
Thank you kindly!
I agree with Alice-I believe that we often start to show our work at art tours and open studios to put our work out there. Over time, people start to recognize your work, and if they appreciate it, they usually appreciate your work at an art fair as well. This happened to me today. The young woman asked me if I had some of my work on display at another location and I said yes! Thanks for noticing. She didn’t buy a painting from me today but we made a connection and I know we will cross paths again, maybe at another art tour.
THANK YOU for this episode, so touching and special and important 💕
Wow! So many amazing quotes and take aways from this conversation. Thank you, Seth, Alice and Louise.
Great job ladies...so proud of you both...loved it!
Yes, a brilliant conversation. The three of you made my day, as well. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
So happy with this podcast! I am so happy to found this big inspiration...I will keep following Seth Godin! Thank you, I am becoming your fan.
Wonderful! I am so glad you enjoyed it - we were honoured to speak with him x
Loved it! Thank you so much for introducing Seth Godin to us. I will read his book immediately. 🎨
You will enjoy I'm sure :)
Thank you Seth Louise and Alice. Such a fantastic interview in helping me sort out my own self reflection and understanding my practice and why I still paint. I bought his book.
Wonderful!
This wonderful conversation is so inspiring ! so engaging ! 😍 ... Thank you Seth, thank you Louise, thank you Alice.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Loved this! Well done, Louise and Alice for making this happen! Yay!
thank you xx
Good Stuff, I've read The Practice several times it's a real dose of realism. Seth says things like "none of us are probably as good as we think we are" and "if you're an artist you have no right to expect that anyone at all will appreciate your art". At first I thought this was so different to what people like life coach Tony Robbins and all the "what the mind of man can conceive it can achieve" gurus say. But actually the more I read the Practice I realised the similarities between Tony's and Seth's messages. Tony says "if what you're doing isn't working change" and that "success leaves clues", copy what other successful people do long enough and well enough and you too will be successful. IE become what Seth calls a Hack, a Hack simply serves the market and gives people what they want. True artists have to make peace with the fact that their art may only be seen as inspirational by a small select group or even no one at all. Unfortunately, many artists from Nick Drake to Vincent Van Goth weren't appreciated in their lifetime and they lead unhappy lives as a result. Thanks for the interview I always have time to listen to Seth. New subscriber here.
Amazing podcast! Thanks so much for bringing this to my breakfast table!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a fabulous interview ... thank you so much 💕
Glad you enjoyed it!
Total enjoyed the lessons shared in your podcast. I also learn what it is I want from creating art. I so appreciate the advice given by Seth Godwin and now I chose to create my practice of exploring, learning and making my art better. Thank you so much Louise and Alice for posting this valuable lesson.
Glad it was helpful!
I have needed to hear this for decades. I can make work in 1000 styles, and have tried to please people for most- ALL - of my art life. omg
I am glad this was helpful x
Point taken re Hilma Af Klint, yet we also must recall that she was painting a spiritual philosophy as a type of "download" of what "the Masters" were revealing (check out Theophopy to learn more). She didn't see it in quite the same way from what I have researched about her, as Seth Godin remarks here, much as I appreciate his comment. I really do appreciate his mention of Helen Frankenthaler and Clyfford Still. We "see" differently and are constantly reminded about the integrity of being creative and connected with one's own soul/voice/interest/inspiration/courage of one's convictions and expressing that in art-making/narrative. They were two artists who stayed with what moved them and found the avenues to show their work that lined up with their deeply held values.
I also think he underplays what it meant to be a woman back then and how hard it would have been to come forward with revolutionary work and be taken seriously.
I guess I'm the only one who noticed when he drops banksy's first name @12:35 lol.
I think analyzing what you as an individual like, and then applying those preferences to your work (whatever genre you work in) may be derivative, but is also a way to start to do work meaningful to yourself. I've found from that point, what follows often morphs into something truly original, that still resonates with audiences because there is a feeling of recognition in the audience, of something that feels familiar yet is unique.
I loved so much this podcast so inspiring. Thanks so much for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was brilliant! Thank you all three for a really stimulating conversation. And I hope you and Alice both enjoyed a celebratory cocktail afterwards! (And perhaps a week off? LOL!)
Glad you enjoyed - no time off, but that's OK - we love what we do xx
So interesting and inspirational. Thought provoking
Thanks Helen xx
Brilliant!
Well done getting Seth Godin on your channel!! I've been following him for over a decade, off and on. He's a genius.
Couldn't agree more!
He raised my hackles and made me laugh. His knowledge intrigued me
This was a brilliant conversation. Loved it!!!
I had such fun!
Absolutely loved that interview.
I'm so glad!
Brilliant! As always:)
Thank you! Cheers!
The surgeon story got me
Really wonderful
So glad you enjoyed it!
VERY inspiring conversation, thank you so much! I personally very much value creative freedom and the power that resides in making that choice. However, one thing really doesn't sit well with me ... I felt that the "reassuring messages" intertwined in this conversation started to sound like excuses for artists to keep believing in the struggling, starving artist myth. As if it were something to be proud of?
It's almost 2021, aren't we over that by now? Isn't there a different way? Shouldn't we as creative minds be the front-runners to think outside the box on both a creative AND a practical level so we are actually able to fund our studio practice and dedicate our life to our purpose, without the need for a bill-paying spouse or a full-time job that keeps us away from the studio?
There is so much grey zone between the extremes of the artist who chooses to engage with the market and the (romantic?) idea of the artist who's struggling to make ends meet ... but hey, at least (s)he is honest in their creative process? 🤔 The grey zone may be more of a slippery slope but is still worthy of being addressed because that is where new and re-imagined possibilities reside ...
Again though, lots of nuggets of wisdom packed in a brief conversation. Thank you very much!
No argument from me - I make my living as an artist and am very proud of my business savvy. I guess I just didn't hear that undercurrent in the conversation xx
'Don't play to the gallery' David Bowie
Well, this is an interesting show and guest!💗
We have lots more episodes if you're interested! www.louisefletcherart.com/podcast
@@ThisPaintingLife Am slowly making my way through them. Thank you! ❤
I can’t figure out what you mean. If you do it for yourself you can’t market it ?
Yes how ridiculous,art fairs are where alot of painters sell and begin to get there careers off to a start, he's talking about banksy he started off by doing a bit of graffiti here and there,I would like to know how Louise and Alice started selling their first few paintings
Sorry, but im with you Louise. Who cares who my audience is? I can't think about that when I'm doing art. Thats the last thing on my mind. I'm there to have fun.
This is so true Matt! Art is about having fun and being authentically you!
I hate to be the one to question this guys "expertise," but is there really a wrong way to promote your art? Not sure that I believe there is only one right way to move forward as an artist.
Can I have two audiences? Create what I want to create and seperately, produce paintings that sell as to fund the first? Why not I say.
Nothing wrong with craft fairs. It might be a good place to start for alot of people. Way too analytical for me. Sometimes it's all about stepping out.
Hey! NEVER use the phrase "real art" again, OK? It's all real, what I do, what Louise does, what you do, it's REAL! Your off-hand dismissal of art that doesn't sell for a zillion dollars is insulting.
I don't think that Seth thinks real art has anything to do with money... listen again to what he says.
@@ThisPaintingLife Hi Louise, if there is such a thing as real art, I believe that no one ever thinks they are creating a masterpiece, they simply have a love of a practice, a need to create, maybe an obsession. If you do what you love, you will love what you do. It,s an honesty, sincerity, if someone else likes it too, Boom bonus. That,s why I was dascinated by "outsider Art!" and the fascinating tv programme, " turning the artworld inside out" hosted by Alan Yentob talking about "Carlo Zinelli" creating in an asylum.. Love the podcast with Alice, yourself and Seth Godin, ty
@@justsayin4017 Hi boom bonus..I saw a painting in a very elderly ladies house, she bought it because it reminded her of the time her long passed husband built a shed in the garden and a duck......also I saw a purple monochrome landscape obviously done from a photo sell to a lady who was recovering from a stroke, she instantly fell in love with it. So I learnt art is for people, many different kinds and connections ,all so precious. Kind of like 'there is a Jack for every Jill! And the backyard jeweller may have a daughter who made it to the silver screen, who has friends with money, who has interesting connections. Any salesperson will tell you not to judge a book by its cover, or shoes
This guy is not my cup of tea.
hahaha - that must have been right after a studio tidy. But why does it matter if someone has a clean studio?
wonderful! thank you so much!
You're so welcome!