The Difference Between Design & Art- How To Find Your Worth
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2020
- What is the difference between art and design? How can I demonstrate my worth to a client? Am I charging too much or too little for my work? How can I create work that feels new to my audience? Loyola Marymount University seniors visit the Futur to ask these questions and more.
0:30 - How do you stay true between designer and an artist
7:30 - Designer vs Artist
14:30 - How is technology/AI going to affect the future of art and design?
39:20 - How do you find out your worth?
46:20 - Are you a victim or a volunteer?
54:20 - What’s Chris’ motto?
1:04:20 - Sharing is worth more than hoarding
1:07:20 - New is just showing you something old in a new way
1:08:20 - The big small and the small big***
1:10:20 - Specialist vs generalist
1:29:20 - Is there a fault for design?
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I just can't believe this is free education. I just can't. And I'm very grateful. 3+ years of art and design school but I'm getting more value in this channel in less time and for FREE. THANK YOU.
Thank you Joni.
“It’s charity” ;) But yes! Thank you! ❤️
And now, you are not Joni, you are believe.
I havent seen the video yet, (min 15) but seeing that comment make me T_T I am already grateful. We're all doing something right i guess.
School is what you make it.
Thing on youtube are "great" because you seek for specific answers with no expectations. In art school you expect the school to learn you specific things and if dont you blame it on the school.
Real simple:
Art doesn't answer any questions. Actually, it opens the floor for questions.
Design solves problems.
Awesome! I like these definitions. I actually deleted my own comment because this is better.
Spot on.
I totally agree with this answer
I see you!!!
I happen to think art answers the questions the mind on it own cant even begin to. I find nowadays people get stuck because they are stuck on the wrong questions. Art can give the answers to the question people ought to be asking. "What causes this feeling. Oh that. I recognize that. thats so true" When I come across things I didn't know to be a thing, its usually through art where I recognize it first. It also answers the question of how to get through to people who are too afraid to be wrong. Art says, "this is this feeling, if you feel the same, then its this for you too."
Artist - People listen to you and your expressions
Design - You listen and provide solution
An artist makes us question things art isa mirror for self examination, a designer organises things to perform a function.
“We’re not looking for new, we’re looking for familiar but presented differently” 🔥🔥🔥
1:23:22 - 1:29:09 This is solid insight for the specialist vs generalist debate. 👏👏👏
I agree @enzo. LMU is just easier than Loyola Marymount university and conveys the same thing so why not abbreviate.
@Wroger Wroger Are you okay, buddy? Do you say people's full name when you refer to them? Just using their first name would be an abbreviation, and I hope you're not doing that, because it goes against what you're saying.
Chris Do is a design prophet.
Jan Slovioček ABSOLUTELY
I just like how Chris somehow shows he's also still learning as well. is it just me that notices that difference? To be able to teach like that is quite the fine line.
Seriously, who dislikes this kind of content??
People who get great valuable educational content for FREE, yet still feel entitled to demand more or something else. Generally the type of people you can NEVER satisfy with anything. Oh and it might be those people who say that Chris is a con and scam artist :D
Idealist, lazy, dumb and inmature people.
This video has solutions, but not all viewers have the same problem.
However they then want to participate and give input by clicking like/dislike.
However there is no "N/A" or "eeeh... not for me" button. They then round down their opinion and hit dislike.
Those BROKE CLIENTS !!
If you don't like something ... why not just move on?? Why waste time hitting a dislike button?
The designer has a concrete role, the artist has a subtle role. From my point of view a designer is more a translator, he translates his client's ideas into images. He is on the border between a psychoanalist and a craftsman. By the way, thank you for all this teaching. Best from France !
Merci beaucoup.
These whiteboards sessions is what I live for these past days. Thanks for your insight. As a student it helps a lot.
You’re very welcome
For me, the difference between art and design is this: Both sides are connected and have creativity as a common source, but the difference is that art must be open to interpretation, the viewer reflects his inner world with that of the artist. Art can be inspiring and/or disturbing, everyone can take what he or she wants from the artwork. Art often asks the big questions of our time, but can rarely give answers.
Design is the exact opposite: Ideally, design should communicate the same thing clearly and understandably for everyone. Design can also be inspiring, but it should reflect the vision/values of the brand/client. Design solves specific problems, i.e. develops answers to specific questions.
Right in between you end up with art that is uninspiring but perhaps beautiful to look at and design that is smooth and beautiful but inefficient and does not solve the client's problems.
Spot on. Art = subjectivism, Design = objectivism
I agree. I would say that art communicates with the subtle, design communicates with the physical. Art gives a point of view, design responds to a problem. Two different roles. Two important disciplines.
The world without design is gonna be troublesome but the world without art is like when you say you love someone but you can’t feel it. Btw, thanks for this Chris! So much love from 🇮🇩
I don't think many people notice how Chris stood for hours and he just kept sharing more and more value. Damn! Thanks a lot man. Credit to you, the camera man and every other person making this happen
Thanks for noticing. I’m standing and teaching for hours. And then people tell me they’re tired. Haha
Props to Carly for kicking this off. Wow. What a conversation. Chris’ communication skill is next level. Massively high EQ.
I am thankful that you are speaking to students. After 25 years designing, I believe we need to educate and mentor these minds.
so many fkn gems in that generalist vs specialist segment
I just love the specialist on the outside and generalist on the inside thing! You guys should really cut this piece and edit it to a shorter video like you guys always do. I have so many interests and things I want to explore that I always feel like giving up on them meant giving up on me, but this concept and what Chris said, I'm sold! So much value in this one and I have never seen Chris talk about it like these. I'm super grateful! Things might start coming together for me because of that!
Edit: just found out the bite-sized video of that part is already on the channel, opsies.
I needed to see this. I was experiencing a lot of internal turmoil over seeing myself as a generalist. I didn't understand why it was so difficult for people to see that it was a good thing, but now I see it from their perspective. I agree that consistently showing people quality work, and building up a reputation is important. I think now I just have to pick a lane and commit to it externally, while internally allowing myself to explore.
This stream has really blown my mind. Before watching it, I heard about TheFutur and Chris Do but never watched any video till the end, I felt so miserable for that. But now I think I will watch every stream since now. THANKS, Chris for bringing this quality information.
Thanks 🙏
Compared to all the other amazing videos I have watched by the futur, I really love how this one had a calmer vibe and as usual learnt a lot of new stuff thanks to Chris.
Love what you guys are doing here on RUclips!
It's so humbling how Chris was extremely surprised by how he answered Jane's question by 100%, but the real fact is Chris is always answering all of our questions for 1000000000% :"). Thank you for sharing!
Maan, this was PACKED with knowledge and thought mechanisms that you seriously won't get anywhere else. Thanks Chris and the Futur team for sharing!
One hell of a talk Chris, loved that you were so laid back really helps me connect to what you are saying. Quality of the content was amazing and gave me a lot of insight. The group itself asked really good questions. Thanks for streaming!
Amazing wealth of life transforming coaching, Chris.
When Chris asked "How was it" - if I was in the audience I would have given a standing ovation, how are these students so chill??
Chris is so smart, he answered all questions in cristal clear.
I've literally been debating with myself for a month on whether to be a generalist web developer (fullstack) or a specialized web developer (frontend, backend, etc). Either answer made me feel like I was losing something, but the brilliant way you answered it made it so I can have my cake and eat it too. Thank you so much, you gained a subscriber.
Been a digital designer for a short while now 19 or so years and artist as well before this. A teacher or rather a facilitator. You are so correct thank you so much for explaining to easy. it all align to each other these days and all in creative motion and times. At some point music artists saw themselves as way more artists than dancers or fine artist more than musicians and the other way round. words are strong and will direct your destination. Thank you so much.
Greetings from INDONESIA 🇮🇩
Watching this really makes me reflect on when I was younger. This young adults have so much to learn and grow from... This makes me feel old. 🙃
34:00 I love the way that you give examples of how to reframe things! A very good conversation!
I love listening to your talks, wow, just so amazing! You really had me at 'They're not just broke, they're broken!' So true. I generally repeat these talks over and over while I work, always picking up new things! Thank you for this!
Mr. Do was in serious sensei mode for this one. Excellent job of patiently illustrating his perspective.
I don't even know why I went to school.. They taught me nothing. Thank you for this value!
You’re very welcome
I think the first question resonates with a lot of designers when first starting out. Many of us started learning design because of a passion for art and creativity. However, the further down the design road you travel, the less it seems you can indulge your personal creativity.
The vast majority of designers will get their foot in the door with in-house positions pushing pixels at the whim of various clients or senior managers - largely at the mercy of strict brand guidelines and myopic briefs.
The early career grind can be disillusioning unless you can demonstrate enough value to climb out of the pixel pusher roles, or dedicate enough free time to pushing out your personal creativity so that people start to seek you out.
Excellent video, thank you for posting this. It’s been 20 years since I went to art school and I find these new perspectives very refreshing and helpful. Subscribed.
Chris answered the question about AI technology and design so good! I used to be scared that the technology would take over design jobs, but now I see how it won’t takeover design, but it would do the “labor” part of the job
There's so much gold in these videos.
Honestly im 59 minutes in already wishing this would never ever end... I can't get enough of listening to this guy. He's a life GURU!
We have more videos
Thank you so much for this video! I just woke up and realized something profound in my life. LOVE CHRIS!! 🙏 "New, is taking the old and bringing it back in a NEW WAY!" This clip has been lingering around on my page. I saw it like 10 time in the last month and I don't tend to watch longer videos unless it keeps popping up on my page. COOL!
Thank you, Absolutely DEEP and VALUABLE, so much to digest, thank you Chris!
this channel is fantasctic, I went to art school for 6 years. Wish we had these type conversations!
Greetings from Cape Town, South Africa. Wow, love your presentations and your mind. Talk about you never stop learning, this is it.
Thanks
Love it, a full and very impressive class just for free. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I love the insight that the words you choose shape your reality... it reminds me of something Stephen Fry wrote that has stuck with me ever since I read it, which is: "language is the parent of thought" ... it's amazing to consider that we might only truly conceive something when we have the language for what it is and what it is not. And of course it's such a powerful perceptive tool. Always with the nuggets Chris, love it.
Thanks Nick.
@@thefutur Oh you're very kind and you're very welcome!
I cannot find the words to describe how much I thank you for posting this video. I am so grateful..thank you!
These after-hours sessions are your best content Chris , don't stop. Thanks
Thanks a lot for these whiteboard sessions Chris! These are gold! I do want to become a specialist but find it hard to see what is the right fit because I like many different things (although they all pretty much connect with each other).
Definitely love the generalist vs specialist idea that you spoke of❤️ something that I’ve thought of the last few months going through school. I like to say Chris is like my design and business coach through his talks on YT
At the rough 50:00 - 56:00 mark is a good basis for every transaction to any client that is not money. And it ought to be a blueprint among other things on how to barter and trade your worth.
However the rest of the video, from re-framing the reality (i.e. his wife's 'donation to the city instead of a parking fine'), to the acceptance of AI in art creation is such a powerful tool, not only the 'course' he is teaching here but also his approach and semantics.
Pay attention as well to how he treats every person in the room, asks for the spelling of their name, writes it on top to cement their questioning as of importance in the course.
Thanks for noticing.
@@thefutur Anytime, and it's a pleasure watching both the big stuff and the little nuances with your videos.
Art is constrained only by its media and its commission. Design is constrained by many factors including production, manufacturing, human factors, budget, timeline etc.
That really puts it into perspective!
What a terrific video. Absolutely fantastic.
These sessions always are so helpful!!! Thank you Futur Crew
I wanted to hit like on a video multiple times during the video. Audience looking alive this time. It's a pleasure to watch and listen.
this was a good bunch.
I loved this whole video, lovely panel of designers/ artists they seem nice , I call these people the drag and drop generation. I always tell people in the early stages of learning to source everything they can. They won't always have to do this in life but it makes them appreciate things more. The last client that said "I could have got this on fiver", i handed them the files and told them some people cannot work together. Trading with other creatives is a brilliant way of doing things. I do it all the time!
I'm an architecture major freshmen and ive been browsing different videos since ive been struggling with what my professor said. He said in our program, we are considered as artists. And I know in myself that I'm not that really a good in rendering or what. This made me doubt my capabilities and I started having second-thoughts about my decision. So before watching this video, I really hope I get the enlightenment and encouragement from this to continue my path as a designer and not as an artist.
1:32:59 Chris talks about the audio and the audio is gone
Haha
Perfect timing. I’m an “audio guy” and was like: yes!!! We’re important!
hello... here from indonesia... The Futur fans..... 😉
Thank you! You are a great communicator & teacher. Great value content. It was 100% worth every minute!
So much value here. Especially 3 years later with the quick development of ai tech.
Hey Chris, love your videos. So much to learn about mindset being in creative industry. I'm not even a designer, I'm a filmmaker and yet I learn much more than filmmaking channels I usually watch. Thank you for doing this, from Indonesia.
Thank you 🙏
artists - communicate themself through art.
designers - communicate client / brand through designs
🧡 Chris, big cappy bro! So accurate (juggle the designer and artist states). And never thought AI can be so friendly till your perspective. Amazing conversation with Christian.
Mr. Do, you are a god of all type of Designers.
I don't think anyone has ever given this much value and insight, whilst actually interacting and roleplaying with the audience.
I'm so glad that I stumbled upon this video. This really grounded me and yet also comfort the dream/goal of being an artist. I love this constructive conversation which gave me strong insights into the industry.
ALL your videos are life saving
I came here without any intentions to assist all the video and ended up subscribing in! Such a great content.
Welcome to the Futur
you have me here from east Africa I always follow your content I love it you guys should come to hold a seminar here come inspire lives a lot of creative youths would really appreciate it ...
This has given me a sustainable development mindset, thank you
LOVED SHOES GOT 1ST JOB AT 14 IN A SHOE STORE ...LOVE PEOPLE BECAME TALENT AGENT...CURIOUS BUSINESS OF ART BECAME ART DEALER...LOVED FASHION BECAME MANUFACTURER...STARTING TEXTILE COMPANY FOLLOWING YOU😉
The addiction of being able to think through what you say and connecting the dots in my head is just so satisfying, thank you again for passing your knowledge.
Found an unintentional play of words (idk if you meant it or not), just found it funny that when you said "secret sources", the caption took it as "secret sauce", and I loved that, that and how important I felt on you talking about 'originality' just makes the point stick in my head.
:edit: andd just afew seconds later you mentioned on that, oops.
My pleasure
omg ive been thinkiin a lot about this lately. thanks for episode!!
The information on customer vs. charityj was very helpful to me. I will no longer do favors for people. I will trade for value.
this advice is so incredibly valuable! wow! helped me change my mindset today about specialization!
So much value in this one and I have never seen Chris talk about it like these
Glad to hear
You guys are great, I love learning everyday from you!
Thanks Chris for you patience and your way of seeing thinks it very insightful and your patience 🙏 again. We love you and all your team🙌
I like that concept of discovering the new on the old, making something ordinary into extraordinary
Chris, Thank you so much for this incredible session 🙏
I love this kind of content, very illuminating!! Interesting that you know the wachowski's they are very wise , the matrix has soo many levels of meaning and truth to it.
How can anyone skip this content, it's just amazing.
I LOVE your energy and your content Chris. Thank you for sharing this with us. Yesterday I became a member of your 1 Billion Goal! You will get there. I believe in you 🙂❤
Thank you 🙏
chris is just... wow. this is amazing
Best class ever
It's ironic that the audio dropped JUST AS you were talking about how important it is for the audio-visual experience hahaha. Big thanks for sharing all your knowledge! I learn so much from watching your videos :)
The most useful video i've encountered in a few years
I learnt the difference in Art School...
A Designer creates things can be used and mostly work to briefs. A house, clothing, bridge, posters for communication etc.
An Artist creates things that have no function and the work mostly comes out through exploration and play, typically from intellectual and/or emotional enquiry.
Pure Knowledge.. Just wow
one of the very best videos ever. great information as always.
Man you give me so much hope as an artist
The content of this video is so amazing that answer all my concerns. Thank you so much for this amazing video.
I am always attracted to knowing new idea or subject or anything which gives a new opportunity to my thinking process. And I am so caught up in this process that it makes me feel like I know nothing and I am not good at anything. I love all kinds of things like politics, marketing, science, technology.... the list goes on..and how they impact one another. I can't figure out how to use all this knowledge and what I should be specialized in? I sound like crazy..lol.
I wish there was a FUTUR University! Learned a lot from this video
There is. This is it.
Chris's fashion on point today. Dat hat
TheRealRahau I prefer him in a dad hat.
I'm like Chris, if I have knowledge on any kind I share it. What's the point of keep it secret.
I have friends and happen to work with them and their sometimes are not willing to share what they know because their think they can loose some jobs, Like seriously?
if you are good at what you do, you don't have to be afraid.
Thank you Chris for sharing all the time!
you can ask for a share on royalty on their songs or album for a specific period of time
thanks a lot for the free lesson, i'm from Indonesia. i'm willing to back in design world after seeing your video, more success for Chris...
hello
I've learnt A lot....Thanks Chris!
I've been scolded by a lot of people telling me that art and design are not the same thing because of the making stuff for someone else idea or problem solving way of thinking. What about commissions? You are hired to solve a problem using art, drawing a comic book cover and while you are using some design skills you are still only applying art, not making it for yourself, not even using things that come from you and it's to solve a problem. I'm starting to think that when people say art they think of high abstract art or something along those lines while art has more variations than design, while incorporating it.
I kinda agree with you except this part _"not even using things that come from you "_ 🤔
When making an art commission, the source material may not be from me, but I definitely DO use something that comes from me: My own personal years of experience, style, unique use of tools, etc. Some artists for example get hired just because of their style (or one of their styles) because others want art in that specific style (or similar).
@@YVZSTUDIOS That's what I was referring to when I said you are still solving a problem. That's the part that comes from you, whatever it may be: use of colors, style of drawing, etc. but the most important part IS the source material and that does not belong to you as most people will be interested in the source not necessarily the art, the art is a nice bonus.
So much inspirations I got from this. Such a wow along the way.
This one is i am struggling with. Glad Chris help us clear up the difference and the purpose each.
Anyway thanks for noticing Indonesia, 😄🤓