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Carlsen doesn’t come through as arrogant to me. He is entitled to some bragging, he’s undoubtedly the best, he knows it, everyone knows it. But his bragging is usually full of humor and self ironic. He is also the first to recognize brilliant playing from his opponents and praise them.
Caruana and Ding. I think Fabi is better but Ding is unpredictable and that annoys Magnus. That is why Magnus vs Ding is much more interesting than vs Fabi
bruhhh no one is close to magnus , cause we have seen his prime , dont compare him with others , hikaru , fabi , ding are legends , but if you think they are worthy of being called magnus rival? then nooo , you have not watched magnus in his prime
@@visible2927Well, Carlsen is definitly the best player in the last 15 years. But i think others are not so far away as you say: 2018 Caruana was really close to Carlsen in classical chess, the world champion match was really close and also there elo was not so far away from each other. But Caruana was clearly worse in rapid, he improved till today, but his overall peak is over(I think). Ding had a streak of 100 games where he was unbeaten in 2017-2018. He was in general always a bit mysterious and i think without the other problems he has, he would have had the potential to get close to Magnus Carlsen.(But then Corona came and he was forced to disapear and now he disapeared again...) Ding ist a beast in classical chess aswell as in rapid/blitz games and i still think Carlsen is the better player, but i think Ding could have come really close to him, even though i think he will never reach his peak. And last: Nakamura. In blitz chess, he is as good as magnus carlsen, but for longer times, he is far away from Carlsen. But after Corona many people thought he is over his peak, but he played extremly good classical chess, so maybe we will see him as the winner of the candidates in the future. Very briefly i want to mention all the other young players, for example firouzja, who is already one of the best in the world. It is hard to see where their peak will be and i think it really depends on how much they want it. For example for firouzja, right now i dont see the passion for chess which one can see for example with abdusattorov. So for example Vincent Keymer maybe has a high potential, his opening prep is really bad compared to the others in his age(which he can train), because he went to school till one year ago, but his positional understanding of chess is outstanding. I want to say that these young generation could get nearly as good as him and its interesting to wait for the future for that. My conclusion is: Yes, Magnus Carlsen is the best player right know and probably of all time. His consistency is unique, he plays at his peak for over 10 years now(of course he had times was a bit better or worse, but all in all he is much more stable than other players). He has a better understanding of the game then anyone else and is the best in blitz, rapid and classical chess. But there are rivals who got close to his peak or could get maybe as good as him. Thanns for reading till the end, if someone managed to do so:)
He has the peak rating, the resume, the extended and uncontested dominance, the most well-rounded game, faced the most leveled competition to this day (every top player from all over the world has access to the best resources) and he has the recognition of his contemporaries. I'd say he has the best case for the GOAT title.
Peak rating means nothing in comparison to other eras. It goes up when there are more games and when the others have higher rating. So is completely not valid to compare to other eras pnly contemporary.
@@innosantoNope. It never be harder than now to settle on top. Number of players, GMs, computers, databases, network, media, greater then ever. Competition from the past was uncomparable.
@@soichirohonda267 Yeah, but that's the thing, different from games like Clash Royale, the ELO system in chess basically takes points from you and gives them to the other person, afaik. That means that the only way to increase the overall ELO total is by getting more players in, so we're basically having kind of an "ELO inflation" right now. Not to discredit the players, since that also means that it's now more likely for a player who can beat them to show up, but it's also true that like 99,999% of current players, and of players who will come to play in the future, would never have a chance of beating Magnus Carlsen whatsoever. So unless we get some new people on the highest levels of chess, if the top players' levels would stay the same, their ELOs would be expected to slightly increase over time. But it is also true that there are many Super GMs around, all of them with the same level of access to studying tools and methods to study every part of chess, even Magnus Carlsen himself, so I'd say it's indeed the era when they should have the best odds at catching up to him, yet they cannot, I just think that peak rating is more of a "Wow" status than an accurate representation of who was better, the most impressive thing to me is how far he's kept himself from the other Super GMs for so long.
To be honest, magnus is the only reason people like me started following chess & started getting interest in chess. Even many of the young GMs idolizes him
@@allanshpeley4284 And their personalities were either drinking and smoking on the board, dissing women and being mentally unstable, or just a very boring introverted guy. By life I'm pretty sure he means separating the boring, mundane game played by hunchbacks or introverted nerds people think of chess as.
@@Goblonium Magnus doesn't have an exciting personality at all... He just comes across as boring and monotone. An exciting personality is someone like Dubov, or even Hikaru (who, yeah, is a nerd but at least not a boring/monotone one like Carlsen).
@@M1m1s Yeah, my point is he's not even one of the few because I'd argue he doesn't "give life to chess". He just plays accurately, like a computer, and grinds down his opponents. Paul Morphy, Mikhail Tal, on the other hand, those men brought life to chess.
Also, it’s hard to be truly arrogant when you’re literally named one of the greatest Chess players of all time. Any self-infatuation that he might have would likely just be an objective reality.
recently, a few gms were asked to rank their top chess players (including people who contribuled to chess, not just real players). and many of them ranked Carlsen as their #1.
@@sixtyninefromsixtonineso you are saying in the future it is possible to have a chess player more than 2882....¿ Yes I know Magnus is best for now but I still don't understand who can beat his record ( like winning 9/9 game )
opponents are much better now in a time where stockfish rules and people can learn using the internet rather than through books. Fischer never played the same amount of GMs with such a high level of skill as Magnus has@@sixtyninefromsixtonine
@@jshasan865dude that 9/9 record was through blitz Didn't Fabi get 7/7 in a classical tournaments. Fisfher also got 7/7 in a classical tournament known as the US championship. Also there will be peo0e to surpass Magnus elo cause of inflation
It is nice to make a humor when it comes to a definition of arrogance... But we need to make sure that it would not be our downfall... It is best to know the consequences of our action to all people especially the things that will happen to our love ones...
@@JoichiroYukihiraAlso the way Magnus acts isn't arrogance, but rather confidence. He isn't exaggerating any skills, or knowledges of his, he isn't even trying to suppress or intimidate any of his so called *"rivals"* 😅😅😅.
It’s not about how how arrogant he is for being good It’s about his unsportsmanlike conduct like showing up to match his late on purpose, and stalling on purpose Like when I first heard about him years ago, he seems like a decent guy. He was honourable and respectful. Now he’s just arrogant. And narcissistic.
@@Helfirehydratrans Speaking of arrogance, did you see Fischer or Kasparov at their peak? This guy does an occasional silly little stunt when he is bored. He is surprisingly humble away from the chess board.
@@HelfirehydratransHad Magnus hadn't done those thing, then the game will be boring to watch😂😂😂. Magnus handicaps himself to make the game more interesting, because a predictable and boring game isn't the game whose gonna attracts chess players and the money, but an interesting one. Playing against Magnus instantly makes the game boring, no matter what GM or super GM they're, because the game's already obvious whose gonna win, so Magnus tries to make an effort to make the game interesting, not only for the audience, but also for himself.
I -- LOVE -- that Magnus is so wise that he valued his time and mind more than just another win. Some things in life are more important than winning. That was his most brilliant move ... ever.
I drawn to chess after seen Carlsen game, especially after game 6 against Nepo, and queen sacrifice against Anish. Those two games really catch my interest to chess. Those are really a beautiful games.
Totally not arrogance , there's so many matches i watched of his and even stockfish couldn't even see drawing positions for him and he ended up winning them ...he plays stupid openings against other gms and still win it's amazing
@@simonshura9144doesn’t have to be accurate what matters is the scale. If the atoms are 1x10^80 even if the estimate is wrong of billions/trillions of atoms the scale of possible moves in chess is 1x10^120 so an entirely different order of magnitude making it for sure greater. Like saying I estimate there are 10 balls is a basket I could be wrong but I am sure there are not 1000.000.000.000.000.000.00…. It’s 1 with 40 zeros more (the comparison of 10^80 and 10^120. A number so big you cannot understand how much bigger that second number is. So even if the estimate is not ultra precise is not 10^40 atoms off.
Something that is not touch here is that according to GMs that Magnus Carlsen legacy is that because he won so many objectively drawish position games it stoked up chess players fighting spirit that now believe there is still life in many drawn position whereas previously they would agree to a draw in drawing position many of them now continue to keep playing until they are absolutely sure there is nothing left.
Carlsen does put his pieces in order before any game, as this is his start routine to help him get into the right mind setting. Many GMs do that, or something similar. THAT is not arrogance. Also he is not that arrogant, to not critizise himself for bad quality of his play, even when winning. This maybe one of his secrets, like Bobby Fisher, to try always achieve highest quality. And he has a lot of respect for other chess players, which he demonstrated in a lot of occasions. My point is, what sounds arrogant, maybe in fact just true?!
Aronian was the closest thing i would call a rival in the early part of his career, while Hikaru fits the part in modern chess with faster time controls.
I don’t think a person has done as much for a sport in terms of normalising it and glamorising it as much as Magnus has for chess. His nonchalance, whit and humour have made people like me fall even more in love with the game
To be fair he has shown a magnificent domination in Chess, he's taken down everyone and his matches against Hikaru Nakamura continue to be the most viewed live matches, garnering an audience of hundred thousands, it's the battle of the titans! A rivalry unmatched in the current Chess pairings. And even though the current title of World Champion now resides with Ding Liren, Magnus Carlsen is the true World Champion in my heart, his presence draws a lot of attention to events and people continue to idolize him. So whenever people say he's arrogant, I say yeah he is, but if you were in his place, wouldn't you be as well? :D This is going to sound weird but the fact alone that he rearranges the board after the game is over despite his victory or defeat in the game has earned my deep respect for him.
Magnus really carried this digital era.. He triamphed chess so heavily in one of the most important era, that I don't think there'll be another magnus for several decades
I see him as someone quite humble actually. Just because he knows and appreciates his talent it doesn’t mean he’s arrogant. He always praises his good opponents and inspires them.
He’s not the most arrogant player in chess. He’s the best and knows it. There are other players (Niemann, for example) who talk trash without the accolades to back it up.
There are arrogant chess GMs like Magnus and Hikaru who made claims against Niemann. Then they said he had to have been cheating when his ratings dropped slightly. Then they said he had to be cheating when he did really well. I wish the arrogant GMs would stop accusing other players of cheating.
@@treefuns5056 Every GM can, yet only Hans has that ego without something to back it up. There has been a lot of elite players who have achieved amazing things, like Wesley so (960 WC) MVL, blitz equal to Magnus and Naka. Aronian (world cups) Alireza (youngest 2800) Nepo (2times WC Challenger) Hans ego is like WChampion ego. Like Fischer, Garry, Magnus, yet he has done nothing to back it up. Beating Magnus? Then abdu, Vincent, Esipenko, Duda, should be up there and they are just humble about it. And thats before acussations, chess speak for it self, remmeber? That was much before the drama
There is a reason for his arrogance. He has earned it. When he gives chess his undivided attention, none of his peers can beat him, and it isn’t even close. He has become so bored by the situation, he voluntarily walked away from being world champion in pursuit of anything that challenges him.
Carlsen is the GOAT. Kasparov barely won against Karpov, had a decade of no big challenge and when finally in the 90s worthy newcomers like Anand, Kramnik, Grischuk, Shirov and many others he simply retired. Magnus is the King of chess.
Kasparov retired as the best player in the world. And also Karpov was one of the best players in history. Magnus when faced strong opposition like Caruana also struggled. Personally I think both of them are the best players ever, roughly on the same level.
Kasparov is still sometimes placed above Carlsen in the various lists of greatest World champions in history because of his longevity at the top, but this seems to be a wrong view as with the Internet age, the amount and the level of players have drastically increased and no longer concentrates in Russia. Also, the density of games and tournaments played is tenfold what it was under the Kasparov-Karpov era. Finally, Carlsen brought so much more to the game than anybody else before him that he should be considered the GOAT.
you make strong points but i still think that overall, Kasparov is the greater player of all time with Carlsen in a very close second, this is for a lot of reasons but ill name a few. despite playing in an era without ai, much less density of tournaments, and less strong competition, Kasparov still managed to reach a peak rating of only 21 points behind Magnus's peak and stayed dominant for over 15 years. even now after almost 20 years of being mostly retired from competitive chess he is still capable of going toe to toe with some of the best players of the modern day. he also pulled off some crazy feats that brought a lot of publicity to chess even in a pre-internet era, such as his 1984 world championship match with Karpov, his game in 1999 against the entire world, and of course in his 1997 match against deep blue that is likely the most famous chess match in history. Carlsen is without a doubt the very close number 2 and given some more time could definitely earn the #1 spot but for now at least in my opinion there is only one chess GOAT, and his name is Garry Kasparov.
I still think there is no one who could dominate his era like Bobby Fischer. No was was even close he was atleast 150+ above all time 2nd best in his time. I can't believe people doesn't give him credit for it.
You should not underestimate the contributions of pre-machine GMs. They produced their own opening systems and innovations, not the machines. No doubting Magnus' class but don't dismiss his predecessors when they laboured without the infallible machines.
Try to pick any grandmaster from oldest to this time. Blindfold them and compete with Carlsen. 10 people of Harvard cant win against Carlsen blindfolded 😂
@@zura17 all of them knew chess and were also playing it though not ina tournament level. Can you win against a grade school level with ten participants while blind folded?
He's not arrogant, he never demeans any of his opponents. He is just a straight shooter so he says things like his favorite player is he himself from few years back. It's not arrogance if he strongly feels that way without demeaning anyone.
Imagine that you are so good that you beat everyone before you even reach your peak and remain undefeated for years, and you get bored of it and decide not to compete.
I don't see him as arrogant. When he called himself arrogant in the first clip, he was just being self-critical. When he is asked about how good he is, and he says he is the best, he is just being honest.
I can't blame him for saying machines are boring. They'll just make the best moves and chess played perfectly is a draw. Also humans simply don't have the brainpower to play perfectly 100% of the time, even the best in the world.
So, if Magnus's greatest rival is no one, and second greatest is Hikaru, does that mean that Hikaru is second to no one? Also, wouldn't that mean no one is second to Magnus? Methinks he misplayed this a tad.
At the present times, I think a chess player reaches their peak at their teens or 20s... not like 35-45 as said in the video. Players are expected to reach title of grandmaster before the age of 20.
It is, probably The total number of board positions possible, legal or otherwise, is about 10¹²⁰ The number of atoms in the observable universe is about 10⁸⁰(I counted), which 10⁴⁰ times smaller than the number of chess positions Though, the number of possible *legal* positions is much closer to 10⁸⁰ So overall, the number of possible combinations on the chess board is at least, or more than, the number of atoms in the observable universe
It's refreshing. Part of being that good at something is confidence, why would he then pretend he isn't? Also, a lot of that 'arrogance' is stringed from humuorous takes and I love them.
Could anyone confirm if the statement made at 1:58 is true about the number of possible chess moves being greater than the number of atoms in the universe? Some sources state that there are approximately 10 quinvigintillion atoms in the universe. That's a 1 followed by 78 zeros. While this could be accurate, I find it hard to believe that there are more possible moves on a chessboard at face value.
Yeah he's definitely not the most arrogant chess player, and that's not why he's so famous. He's said on multiple occasions that he doesn't think he's a genius or that he plays to compete, he just loves the game. And that's why he didn't compete for the championship in 2023, it just doesn't matter to him; All he thinks is that he is the best chess player in the world, which he objectively is. He's not arrogant, only not delusional.
I have been a chess fan for life. The question is could you build a house, write a book, send rockets to the moon, build roads, produce Art, grow food , make beer or wine. Everyone needs to take a step back, gain some perspective and realize Chess is a GAME. Vast amounts of time by intelligent people have been spent playing a game, that doesn't make them anymore special than the engineer who helped develop a rocket engine or a farmer who produces food. In reality those other people I mention are FAR MORE valuable than a World reknown chess player. Magnus as a remarkable chess player doesn't make or produce anything but simply entertain like a Court Jester. Get a grip folks.
And there goes the one guy saying "its just a game" as if entertainment and being happy are useless. Also, you chose making art, beer and wine for examples? How hypocritical
I love thay carlsen is so unfiltered. It can come off as rude and arrogant to some people. But there's a difference. To me, he is just very straightforward. Not arrogant.
Is it arrogance when he is by far the best and nobody is even on his heels? He has no rivals because he truly doesnt, I think he actually wishes if there was someone of same caliber but there just is not anyone. Being overconfident when you dont have anything to back it up is arrogance. Being confident that you are the best and above everyone when you can back it up is just being truthful.
If you are good at doing something as good as Magnus Carlsen is in Chess, you have all the rights to be arrogant in your field and no one would dare to stand up against you.
'The number of possible moves in chess is greater than the number of atoms in the universe.' Now that's a lie simply because we haven't mapped the entire universe nor do we know of it's exact size.
People like magnus and fischer aren't arrogant, they just recognize their own brilliance, there is definitely a difference. For arrogance, look at someone like hans or maybe kramnik.
i think magnus already said in some interview or his stream that he still really loves playing chess. it is just the world championship format that he really disliked so much so he decided to not defend the title. he said that if the FIDE change the format to become shorter and have shorter time control, he will comeback to claim the title back
WC1 - Who'd Bobby Fischer consider the REAL world champion of 2019Nov - 2023Mar? -Wesley So, classical WFRCC - also Bobby's nephew via Lotis Key's older sibling -Hikaru, rapid WFRCC -Magnus, classical WCC --- Notes: 1 If Nepo had won the 2023 WCC, then I'm not sure who Bobby would pick between Nepo & Wesley So as real world champion for 2019Nov - 2023Dec. Also, I'm not sure Bobby would choose Nepo over Wesley So as the top player at the end of the 4 year period. I just know it's not Hikaru or Magnus. Lol.) 2 In 60min FRC games aka classical 9LX games Wesley So - played the most games (14) - drew the most (8) - won the most (6) - lost the fewest (0) and was the only player to never lose. Hikaru - never won Magnus - lost the most games (4) - lost 3x in a row LOL. - Magnus is on the receiving end of the 9LX version of bobby fischer's double 6-0-0 in the 1971 candidates -The last time someone lost 3x classical in a row in the finals of FIDE or PCA world championship was vishy anand vs alexei shirov 2 decades prior. 2 whole decades vishy's record stood until wesley so vs magnus. 3 Wesley So, Bobby Fischer & Hans Niemann have NEVER done ANY of the ff evil things in chess as adults. Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov & Hikaru Nakamura HAVE done EACH of the ff evil things in chess as adults. Evil : -Cheating -Baseless accusations -Discrimination (eg by cheating or baselessly accusing people mainly of a certain ethnicity or citizenship) -Treason Re treason: - Magnus betrayed fellow Scandinavian-descent Hans by baselessly accusing Hans - Hikaru betrayed fellow American Hans by baselessly accusing Hans. - Garry betrayed 2 fellow Jews Judit Polgar & Alexei Shirov by cheating them. --- WC2 - Who'd Bobby Fischer consider the REAL top player of 2019Nov - 2024Jan? - Magnus, top classical chess player - Hikaru, the top rapid 9LX player ( who was ranked lower than Wesley So in the 2023 9LX ) - Wesley, the top classical 9LX player & again Bobby's nephew via Lotis - Nepo, who's top 2 in all those 3 categories (Nepo not Magnus is top 2 classical 9LX player in score) Fine. I'm not sure it's Wesley So as of 2023Dec, even though it was in 2019Dec. But I know it's not Magnus or Hikaru. Lol. But Nepo, Wesley, Bobby & Hans are good. Liren, Magnus, Garry & Hikaru are bad. --- P.S. Wesley So on Lex Fridman xcdhgq P.P.S. Interview while imprisoned p1w4Rr-1Uk Pablo Mercado: So what is your advice to the Filipino chess players? Uncle Bobby Fischer: My advice is to give up chess and take up Fischer Random. - 2004Oct11, 15 years before nephew Wesley So became the inaugural WFRCC in CLASSICAL time controls.
He’s never struck me as arrogant. Possibly rides the spectrum. He speaks what he believes. He’s not mean or disrespectful about it. We should all be so genuine.
I think that if Carlsen didn't take so many risks and played principled Early and Mid games, he would definitely be considered the best in history, but his tendency to take risks and attempt to do crazy lines is what makes him feel more alive and strong.
You know why i love carlsen over other chess players Because he has guts to make slight mistake in chess to create imbalance in game to make the gaming having a result not just boring draws
He is currently changing chess where chess 960 is the match time controls and the traditional game is speed chess only. However, no chess player has won as many games in a row to become world champion as Fischer, no one is even close.
There is a limit to his amazing mental ability that Wesley So beats him in Fisher's chess, a game where there is no rule about where pieces should be from the start.
"Don't count him out of chess just yet". Huh? He clearly said at the time of announcing his relinquishment of the WCC that he was still going to play all the time in various tournaments and online.
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Fischer for sure, guy was untouchable in his time
@@dorianneira4192 competition was a bit lower back then so its hard to compare.
Carlsen doesn’t come through as arrogant to me. He is entitled to some bragging, he’s undoubtedly the best, he knows it, everyone knows it. But his bragging is usually full of humor and self ironic. He is also the first to recognize brilliant playing from his opponents and praise them.
I must agree, this is a big achievement, he has all the bragging rights and while these claims seem arrogant.. they are also true
He could be way more arrogant for how good he is
Agree.. completely.
@bashdamonkeyits more like he wants to give his opponents a chance
@bashdamonkeyThat's still not arrogance.
Hikaru has only been his 'rival' since the pandemic in terms of online speed chess, Caruana is a much worthy rival in terms of classical chess.
Caruana and Ding. I think Fabi is better but Ding is unpredictable and that annoys Magnus. That is why Magnus vs Ding is much more interesting than vs Fabi
Only Wesley have more wins against Magnus than the other GM's.
Dude are you brain damaged? Mag is him self said so, your going to disagree with his own opinion LOL?
bruhhh no one is close to magnus , cause we have seen his prime , dont compare him with others , hikaru , fabi , ding are legends , but if you think they are worthy of being called magnus rival? then nooo , you have not watched magnus in his prime
@@visible2927Well, Carlsen is definitly the best player in the last 15 years. But i think others are not so far away as you say: 2018 Caruana was really close to Carlsen in classical chess, the world champion match was really close and also there elo was not so far away from each other. But Caruana was clearly worse in rapid, he improved till today, but his overall peak is over(I think). Ding had a streak of 100 games where he was unbeaten in 2017-2018. He was in general always a bit mysterious and i think without the other problems he has, he would have had the potential to get close to Magnus Carlsen.(But then Corona came and he was forced to disapear and now he disapeared again...) Ding ist a beast in classical chess aswell as in rapid/blitz games and i still think Carlsen is the better player, but i think Ding could have come really close to him, even though i think he will never reach his peak. And last: Nakamura. In blitz chess, he is as good as magnus carlsen, but for longer times, he is far away from Carlsen. But after Corona many people thought he is over his peak, but he played extremly good classical chess, so maybe we will see him as the winner of the candidates in the future.
Very briefly i want to mention all the other young players, for example firouzja, who is already one of the best in the world. It is hard to see where their peak will be and i think it really depends on how much they want it. For example for firouzja, right now i dont see the passion for chess which one can see for example with abdusattorov. So for example Vincent Keymer maybe has a high potential, his opening prep is really bad compared to the others in his age(which he can train), because he went to school till one year ago, but his positional understanding of chess is outstanding. I want to say that these young generation could get nearly as good as him and its interesting to wait for the future for that.
My conclusion is: Yes, Magnus Carlsen is the best player right know and probably of all time. His consistency is unique, he plays at his peak for over 10 years now(of course he had times was a bit better or worse, but all in all he is much more stable than other players). He has a better understanding of the game then anyone else and is the best in blitz, rapid and classical chess. But there are rivals who got close to his peak or could get maybe as good as him.
Thanns for reading till the end, if someone managed to do so:)
He has the peak rating, the resume, the extended and uncontested dominance, the most well-rounded game, faced the most leveled competition to this day (every top player from all over the world has access to the best resources) and he has the recognition of his contemporaries. I'd say he has the best case for the GOAT title.
Peak rating means nothing in comparison to other eras. It goes up when there are more games and when the others have higher rating.
So is completely not valid to compare to other eras pnly contemporary.
But it does mean he has been the undisputed best in the best era so it does have some validity @@innosanto
@@innosantoNope. It never be harder than now to settle on top. Number of players, GMs, computers, databases, network, media, greater then ever. Competition from the past was uncomparable.
@@soichirohonda267 Yeah, but that's the thing, different from games like Clash Royale, the ELO system in chess basically takes points from you and gives them to the other person, afaik.
That means that the only way to increase the overall ELO total is by getting more players in, so we're basically having kind of an "ELO inflation" right now.
Not to discredit the players, since that also means that it's now more likely for a player who can beat them to show up, but it's also true that like 99,999% of current players, and of players who will come to play in the future, would never have a chance of beating Magnus Carlsen whatsoever.
So unless we get some new people on the highest levels of chess, if the top players' levels would stay the same, their ELOs would be expected to slightly increase over time.
But it is also true that there are many Super GMs around, all of them with the same level of access to studying tools and methods to study every part of chess, even Magnus Carlsen himself, so I'd say it's indeed the era when they should have the best odds at catching up to him, yet they cannot, I just think that peak rating is more of a "Wow" status than an accurate representation of who was better, the most impressive thing to me is how far he's kept himself from the other Super GMs for so long.
@@soichirohonda267nope his point stands , rating inflation is real
To be honest, magnus is the only reason people like me started following chess & started getting interest in chess.
Even many of the young GMs idolizes him
Yeah, I started to follow and play chess because of him.
True, due to this guy I decided to actually learn and star playing chess just this year
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Wrong . Adgamator
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Goal: Defeat older sister
Carlsen: Instructions unclear, I am now best in the world.
Well, his sister is a part of the world, so he beat her
He's one of the few people to give life to chess.
Hahaha, no. There are many more creative attacking players out there. Magnus is just more precise and risk averse.
@@allanshpeley4284"one of the few" ≠ "the only"
@@allanshpeley4284 And their personalities were either drinking and smoking on the board, dissing women and being mentally unstable, or just a very boring introverted guy. By life I'm pretty sure he means separating the boring, mundane game played by hunchbacks or introverted nerds people think of chess as.
@@Goblonium Magnus doesn't have an exciting personality at all... He just comes across as boring and monotone. An exciting personality is someone like Dubov, or even Hikaru (who, yeah, is a nerd but at least not a boring/monotone one like Carlsen).
@@M1m1s Yeah, my point is he's not even one of the few because I'd argue he doesn't "give life to chess". He just plays accurately, like a computer, and grinds down his opponents. Paul Morphy, Mikhail Tal, on the other hand, those men brought life to chess.
Considering all he has achieved so far.. he is actually very modest with his words.. definitely not arrogant.
I agree, he’s just confident, and deservedly so. He isn’t the personal that hikaru likes to put on satirically.
@@drewpocernich2540Do you mean 'persona'?
And I disagree with that.
nobody cares if you disagree with it matey@@inoderlulzer5163
Also, it’s hard to be truly arrogant when you’re literally named one of the greatest Chess players of all time. Any self-infatuation that he might have would likely just be an objective reality.
Yup. He is intelligent indeed
recently, a few gms were asked to rank their top chess players (including people who contribuled to chess, not just real players). and many of them ranked Carlsen as their #1.
We are lucky to live in the same lifetime as arguably the best chess player of all time.
Everyone in the past also lived in the same lifetime as the best chess player of their time
@@sixtyninefromsixtonineso you are saying in the future it is possible to have a chess player more than 2882....¿
Yes I know Magnus is best for now but I still don't understand who can beat his record ( like winning 9/9 game )
opponents are much better now in a time where stockfish rules and people can learn using the internet rather than through books. Fischer never played the same amount of GMs with such a high level of skill as Magnus has@@sixtyninefromsixtonine
@@jshasan865is it possible? Yes?
@@jshasan865dude that 9/9 record was through blitz
Didn't Fabi get 7/7 in a classical tournaments.
Fisfher also got 7/7 in a classical tournament known as the US championship.
Also there will be peo0e to surpass Magnus elo cause of inflation
Not arrogance if you can back it up, it's confidence
Exactly
lol
yeah he's like the kanye of chess
He isnt arrogant. When someone asks who's the best, he says himself and it's normal because it's true. He has also a great sense of humor.
It is nice to make a humor when it comes to a definition of arrogance... But we need to make sure that it would not be our downfall... It is best to know the consequences of our action to all people especially the things that will happen to our love ones...
someone who is confidant is not necessarily an arrogant person
Much better than false modesty.
He always says Kasparov is the best player of all time.
@@JoichiroYukihiraAlso the way Magnus acts isn't arrogance, but rather confidence.
He isn't exaggerating any skills, or knowledges of his, he isn't even trying to suppress or intimidate any of his so called *"rivals"* 😅😅😅.
when people are so good at something like magnus at chess its incredibly hard not to sound arrogant and also be honest in interviews lol
It’s not about how how arrogant he is for being good
It’s about his unsportsmanlike conduct like showing up to match his late on purpose, and stalling on purpose
Like when I first heard about him years ago, he seems like a decent guy. He was honourable and respectful. Now he’s just arrogant. And narcissistic.
@@Helfirehydratrans Speaking of arrogance, did you see Fischer or Kasparov at their peak?
This guy does an occasional silly little stunt when he is bored. He is surprisingly humble away from the chess board.
@@HelfirehydratransHad Magnus hadn't done those thing, then the game will be boring to watch😂😂😂.
Magnus handicaps himself to make the game more interesting, because a predictable and boring game isn't the game whose gonna attracts chess players and the money, but an interesting one.
Playing against Magnus instantly makes the game boring, no matter what GM or super GM they're, because the game's already obvious whose gonna win, so Magnus tries to make an effort to make the game interesting, not only for the audience, but also for himself.
@@Helfirehydratranshe likes to troll around and have fun
I -- LOVE -- that Magnus is so wise that he valued his time and mind more than just another win.
Some things in life are more important than winning. That was his most brilliant move ... ever.
"The World's Most Arrogant Chess Player"
GM Hans Niemann: Hold my beer
I drawn to chess after seen Carlsen game, especially after game 6 against Nepo, and queen sacrifice against Anish.
Those two games really catch my interest to chess.
Those are really a beautiful games.
Two zugzwang games against Fedoseev also beautiful . Actually many of his games are.
@@melzz those two games against Fedoseev were inexplicably good. Not even Magnus level chess. Engine level chess
Totally not arrogance , there's so many matches i watched of his and even stockfish couldn't even see drawing positions for him and he ended up winning them ...he plays stupid openings against other gms and still win it's amazing
As a casual fan, his games always felt like art. The journey to mate feels like a novel
One little correction: the number of moves in chess is NOT greater that the number of atoms in the universe. However, the number on possible games is.
So how do you know the exact number of atoms in the universe? Did you count em? I doubt it.
@@nyx8026 Its generally estimated that there are aroumd 10⁸⁰ atoms in the observable* universe
@@rydercollins5553estimated doesn't mean it even barely accurate tho
We can measure it from the cosmic microwave background which is essentially a photograph of the entire early universe.
@@simonshura9144doesn’t have to be accurate what matters is the scale. If the atoms are 1x10^80 even if the estimate is wrong of billions/trillions of atoms the scale of possible moves in chess is 1x10^120 so an entirely different order of magnitude making it for sure greater. Like saying I estimate there are 10 balls is a basket I could be wrong but I am sure there are not 1000.000.000.000.000.000.00…. It’s 1 with 40 zeros more (the comparison of 10^80 and 10^120. A number so big you cannot understand how much bigger that second number is. So even if the estimate is not ultra precise is not 10^40 atoms off.
Something that is not touch here is that according to GMs that Magnus Carlsen legacy is that because he won so many objectively drawish position games it stoked up chess players fighting spirit that now believe there is still life in many drawn position whereas previously they would agree to a draw in drawing position many of them now continue to keep playing until they are absolutely sure there is nothing left.
Carlsen does put his pieces in order before any game, as this is his start routine to help him get into the right mind setting. Many GMs do that, or something similar. THAT is not arrogance. Also he is not that arrogant, to not critizise himself for bad quality of his play, even when winning. This maybe one of his secrets, like Bobby Fisher, to try always achieve highest quality. And he has a lot of respect for other chess players, which he demonstrated in a lot of occasions. My point is, what sounds arrogant, maybe in fact just true?!
Aronian was the closest thing i would call a rival in the early part of his career, while Hikaru fits the part in modern chess with faster time controls.
Vishy had a plus score against him before 2013. Though they're not really rivals as they had worked together before.
Caruana was also a rival at a point
@@Thanos-hp1mwthat's cos carlsen was playing many super tournaments before turning 16
@@stianaandal1488nepo was Magnus first rival, cause Magnus lost agaisnt Nepo in an under 12 world championship
Right now Fabi is clearly #2 IMO
He’s actually pretty modest and informative… listen to his interviews in full.
I don’t think a person has done as much for a sport in terms of normalising it and glamorising it as much as Magnus has for chess. His nonchalance, whit and humour have made people like me fall even more in love with the game
Devon Larrat in arm wrestling would be a great counterpart
To be fair he has shown a magnificent domination in Chess, he's taken down everyone and his matches against Hikaru Nakamura continue to be the most viewed live matches, garnering an audience of hundred thousands, it's the battle of the titans! A rivalry unmatched in the current Chess pairings. And even though the current title of World Champion now resides with Ding Liren, Magnus Carlsen is the true World Champion in my heart, his presence draws a lot of attention to events and people continue to idolize him.
So whenever people say he's arrogant, I say yeah he is, but if you were in his place, wouldn't you be as well? :D This is going to sound weird but the fact alone that he rearranges the board after the game is over despite his victory or defeat in the game has earned my deep respect for him.
Magnus really carried this digital era.. He triamphed chess so heavily in one of the most important era, that I don't think there'll be another magnus for several decades
I see him as someone quite humble actually. Just because he knows and appreciates his talent it doesn’t mean he’s arrogant. He always praises his good opponents and inspires them.
He’s not the most arrogant player in chess. He’s the best and knows it. There are other players (Niemann, for example) who talk trash without the accolades to back it up.
There are arrogant chess GMs like Magnus and Hikaru who made claims against Niemann. Then they said he had to have been cheating when his ratings dropped slightly. Then they said he had to be cheating when he did really well. I wish the arrogant GMs would stop accusing other players of cheating.
Hans Nieman can probably crush you in chess while doing 10 other jobs alongside literally literally, so you can't belittle him you should know that.
@@treefuns5056 Every GM can, yet only Hans has that ego without something to back it up. There has been a lot of elite players who have achieved amazing things, like Wesley so (960 WC) MVL, blitz equal to Magnus and Naka. Aronian (world cups) Alireza (youngest 2800) Nepo (2times WC Challenger)
Hans ego is like WChampion ego. Like Fischer, Garry, Magnus, yet he has done nothing to back it up.
Beating Magnus? Then abdu, Vincent, Esipenko, Duda, should be up there and they are just humble about it.
And thats before acussations, chess speak for it self, remmeber? That was much before the drama
@@juliocadavid6640being a top 100 player in the world definitely gives som bragging rights
There is a reason for his arrogance. He has earned it. When he gives chess his undivided attention, none of his peers can beat him, and it isn’t even close. He has become so bored by the situation, he voluntarily walked away from being world champion in pursuit of anything that challenges him.
I dont think he's arrogant, he just has something like a dry self humor
He's not arrogant. We want to see powerful people meek, because it hurts our primate egos.
Carlsen has reached the level of Chess, that you now say that Chess can play great Magnus, instead of Magnus can play great Chess.
Compared to Bobby Fischer, Carlsen is a paragon of humility. Either way, both earned their bragging rights.
Vey true lol
Carlsen is the GOAT. Kasparov barely won against Karpov, had a decade of no big challenge and when finally in the 90s worthy newcomers like Anand, Kramnik, Grischuk, Shirov and many others he simply retired.
Magnus is the King of chess.
Kasparov retired as the best player in the world. And also Karpov was one of the best players in history. Magnus when faced strong opposition like Caruana also struggled.
Personally I think both of them are the best players ever, roughly on the same level.
And Carlsen barely won against Caruana or Karjakin in his championship
How to win barely ? Please explain@@Weebi1242
Kasparov is still sometimes placed above Carlsen in the various lists of greatest World champions in history because of his longevity at the top, but this seems to be a wrong view as with the Internet age, the amount and the level of players have drastically increased and no longer concentrates in Russia. Also, the density of games and tournaments played is tenfold what it was under the Kasparov-Karpov era. Finally, Carlsen brought so much more to the game than anybody else before him that he should be considered the GOAT.
you make strong points but i still think that overall, Kasparov is the greater player of all time with Carlsen in a very close second, this is for a lot of reasons but ill name a few. despite playing in an era without ai, much less density of tournaments, and less strong competition, Kasparov still managed to reach a peak rating of only 21 points behind Magnus's peak and stayed dominant for over 15 years. even now after almost 20 years of being mostly retired from competitive chess he is still capable of going toe to toe with some of the best players of the modern day. he also pulled off some crazy feats that brought a lot of publicity to chess even in a pre-internet era, such as his 1984 world championship match with Karpov, his game in 1999 against the entire world, and of course in his 1997 match against deep blue that is likely the most famous chess match in history. Carlsen is without a doubt the very close number 2 and given some more time could definitely earn the #1 spot but for now at least in my opinion there is only one chess GOAT, and his name is Garry Kasparov.
I still think there is no one who could dominate his era like Bobby Fischer. No was was even close he was atleast 150+ above all time 2nd best in his time. I can't believe people doesn't give him credit for it.
You should not underestimate the contributions of pre-machine GMs. They produced their own opening systems and innovations, not the machines. No doubting Magnus' class but don't dismiss his predecessors when they laboured without the infallible machines.
Everyone sees him as the GOAT.
It's impossible to say who "the greatest" is, but Carlsen is certainly the most skilled chess player ever.
well depends on the criteria and how you prioritize them to choose one greatest. If u answer in a philosophical way , then you can never compare..
Try to pick any grandmaster from oldest to this time. Blindfold them and compete with Carlsen. 10 people of Harvard cant win against Carlsen blindfolded 😂
@@kineticsjekaw7881 what does harvard have to do with chess skill?
@@zura17 all of them knew chess and were also playing it though not ina tournament level. Can you win against a grade school level with ten participants while blind folded?
@@kineticsjekaw7881 no, but every top grandmaster can do it, it is not a proof that magnus is special
He's not arrogant, he never demeans any of his opponents. He is just a straight shooter so he says things like his favorite player is he himself from few years back. It's not arrogance if he strongly feels that way without demeaning anyone.
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idk about arrogant, his pride is properly placed. Its not like he insults people or anything like that
There is also "Paul Morphy" who dominated the world in his time by just having chess as his hobby and he had amazing creativity
Time when there are maybe 1000 good players in the whole world, and 10 - 20 of them seriously good, at level of todays IM, probably.
He's a once in a lifetime chess genius 🐐
Magnus isn't unreasonably arrogant, however. It's generally not enough to be off-putting, imo. He ought to enjoy himself. We sure do.
0:27 better love story than twilight
1:59 "I know what to do. I don't have to figure it out."
Subconscious magic.
just like Eminem with words.
Imagine that you are so good that you beat everyone before you even reach your peak and remain undefeated for years, and you get bored of it and decide not to compete.
Who are you referring to?
It’s not arrogant when it’s the truth. Glad to be alive to watch this all play out.
Every one gangsta till ultimate player nicknamed “no one” comes in and beats Magnus in 10 moves 🔥 🔥 🔥
Damnn💀,,,,,
I love it when he mosies in late with 30 second left to play, and crushes his opponent.
I don't see him as arrogant. When he called himself arrogant in the first clip, he was just being self-critical. When he is asked about how good he is, and he says he is the best, he is just being honest.
He's not arrogant, as many people think, if you stopped to see his intevidences, he's very ironic.
Is it really arrogant when your're the best player in the world and it's not even remotely close?
I can't blame him for saying machines are boring. They'll just make the best moves and chess played perfectly is a draw. Also humans simply don't have the brainpower to play perfectly 100% of the time, even the best in the world.
Theres a fine line between confidence and arrogance, and magnus is a great tightrope walker
So, if Magnus's greatest rival is no one, and second greatest is Hikaru, does that mean that Hikaru is second to no one?
Also, wouldn't that mean no one is second to Magnus? Methinks he misplayed this a tad.
Magnus said his rival is no one, not that he is no one.
He's not arrogant, he's self aware
At the present times, I think a chess player reaches their peak at their teens or 20s... not like 35-45 as said in the video. Players are expected to reach title of grandmaster before the age of 20.
You nailed it.
2:00 That's just not true.
It is, probably
The total number of board positions possible, legal or otherwise, is about 10¹²⁰
The number of atoms in the observable universe is about 10⁸⁰(I counted), which 10⁴⁰ times smaller than the number of chess positions
Though, the number of possible *legal* positions is much closer to 10⁸⁰
So overall, the number of possible combinations on the chess board is at least, or more than, the number of atoms in the observable universe
It's refreshing. Part of being that good at something is confidence, why would he then pretend he isn't? Also, a lot of that 'arrogance' is stringed from humuorous takes and I love them.
I don't think he's arrogant, he's literally the best chess player of all time
Could anyone confirm if the statement made at 1:58 is true about the number of possible chess moves being greater than the number of atoms in the universe? Some sources state that there are approximately 10 quinvigintillion atoms in the universe. That's a 1 followed by 78 zeros. While this could be accurate, I find it hard to believe that there are more possible moves on a chessboard at face value.
Tbh if he trash talk
He literally proves himself lol
Unlike others
Yeah he's definitely not the most arrogant chess player, and that's not why he's so famous. He's said on multiple occasions that he doesn't think he's a genius or that he plays to compete, he just loves the game. And that's why he didn't compete for the championship in 2023, it just doesn't matter to him; All he thinks is that he is the best chess player in the world, which he objectively is. He's not arrogant, only not delusional.
I have been a chess fan for life. The question is could you build a house, write a book, send rockets to the moon,
build roads, produce Art, grow food , make beer or wine. Everyone needs to take a step back, gain some perspective
and realize Chess is a GAME. Vast amounts of time by intelligent people have been spent playing a game, that doesn't
make them anymore special than the engineer who helped develop a rocket engine or a farmer who produces food.
In reality those other people I mention are FAR MORE valuable than a World reknown chess player. Magnus as a
remarkable chess player doesn't make or produce anything but simply entertain like a Court Jester. Get a grip folks.
And there goes the one guy saying "its just a game" as if entertainment and being happy are useless. Also, you chose making art, beer and wine for examples? How hypocritical
They are special, if they aren't special why don't you or anyone who is not so special take their place?
1:54 what do you mean the number of moves???
03:21 Where is Vishy? You win 5 world championships and still don't make to that list?
I love the fact that he likes Hikaru that much
When he was 4 he had memorized all of Norways municipalities. When I was 4 I was still shitting myself.
you must have mis-titled the video, I didnt see hans niemann anywhere
I love thay carlsen is so unfiltered. It can come off as rude and arrogant to some people. But there's a difference. To me, he is just very straightforward. Not arrogant.
Hikaru and many others have made chess blow up a little by streaming and it got popular. 😊
He’s not arrogant, he’s the best and knows he’s the best. When he says “I’m better at chess” he is right
Is it arrogance when he is by far the best and nobody is even on his heels? He has no rivals because he truly doesnt, I think he actually wishes if there was someone of same caliber but there just is not anyone. Being overconfident when you dont have anything to back it up is arrogance. Being confident that you are the best and above everyone when you can back it up is just being truthful.
If you are good at doing something as good as Magnus Carlsen is in Chess, you have all the rights to be arrogant in your field and no one would dare to stand up against you.
As an Argentinian Im happy to say that a 10 yo Argentinian kid beat Carlsen this week on a bullet game. Hilarious
He’s not arrogant, he’s just honest
'The number of possible moves in chess is greater than the number of atoms in the universe.' Now that's a lie simply because we haven't mapped the entire universe nor do we know of it's exact size.
I once did a jigsaw in six weeks, where it said 4 to 6 years on the box!
Maybe it's time for a real challenge to see how formidable his brain is, and that means breakthroughs in the field of quantum physics and mechanics.
People like magnus and fischer aren't arrogant, they just recognize their own brilliance, there is definitely a difference. For arrogance, look at someone like hans or maybe kramnik.
Winning a world championship and still knowing that there is a dude that you have no chance of beating.
Beyonce and Diddy prevent him from defending his title.
It's not number of moves, but number of possible chess positions that is greater than the amount of atoms in the universe.
i think magnus already said in some interview or his stream that he still really loves playing chess. it is just the world championship format that he really disliked so much so he decided to not defend the title.
he said that if the FIDE change the format to become shorter and have shorter time control, he will comeback to claim the title back
WC1 - Who'd Bobby Fischer consider the REAL world champion of 2019Nov - 2023Mar?
-Wesley So, classical WFRCC - also Bobby's nephew via Lotis Key's older sibling
-Hikaru, rapid WFRCC
-Magnus, classical WCC
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Notes:
1
If Nepo had won the 2023 WCC, then I'm not sure who Bobby would pick between Nepo & Wesley So as real world champion for 2019Nov - 2023Dec. Also, I'm not sure Bobby would choose Nepo over Wesley So as the top player at the end of the 4 year period. I just know it's not Hikaru or Magnus. Lol.)
2
In 60min FRC games aka classical 9LX games
Wesley So
- played the most games (14)
- drew the most (8)
- won the most (6)
- lost the fewest (0) and was the only player to never lose.
Hikaru
- never won
Magnus
- lost the most games (4)
- lost 3x in a row LOL.
- Magnus is on the receiving end of the 9LX version of bobby fischer's double 6-0-0 in the 1971 candidates
-The last time someone lost 3x classical in a row in the finals of FIDE or PCA world championship was vishy anand vs alexei shirov 2 decades prior. 2 whole decades vishy's record stood until wesley so vs magnus.
3
Wesley So, Bobby Fischer & Hans Niemann have NEVER done ANY of the ff evil things in chess as adults.
Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov & Hikaru Nakamura HAVE done EACH of the ff evil things in chess as adults.
Evil :
-Cheating
-Baseless accusations
-Discrimination (eg by cheating or baselessly accusing people mainly of a certain ethnicity or citizenship)
-Treason
Re treason:
- Magnus betrayed fellow Scandinavian-descent Hans by baselessly accusing Hans
- Hikaru betrayed fellow American Hans by baselessly accusing Hans.
- Garry betrayed 2 fellow Jews Judit Polgar & Alexei Shirov by cheating them.
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WC2 - Who'd Bobby Fischer consider the REAL top player of 2019Nov - 2024Jan?
- Magnus, top classical chess player
- Hikaru, the top rapid 9LX player ( who was ranked lower than Wesley So in the 2023 9LX )
- Wesley, the top classical 9LX player & again Bobby's nephew via Lotis
- Nepo, who's top 2 in all those 3 categories (Nepo not Magnus is top 2 classical 9LX player in score)
Fine. I'm not sure it's Wesley So as of 2023Dec, even though it was in 2019Dec. But I know it's not Magnus or Hikaru. Lol. But Nepo, Wesley, Bobby & Hans are good. Liren, Magnus, Garry & Hikaru are bad.
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P.S.
Wesley So on Lex Fridman
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P.P.S.
Interview while imprisoned
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Pablo Mercado: So what is your advice to the Filipino chess players?
Uncle Bobby Fischer: My advice is to give up chess and take up Fischer Random.
- 2004Oct11, 15 years before nephew Wesley So became the inaugural WFRCC in CLASSICAL time controls.
Magnus is the Schumacher of chess. If it's true, it's not arrogance. 👍
Is it just me or he is giving a level 100 villain vibes?
ohh i love it when someone's arrogance is actually backed up by his accomplishments
He’s never struck me as arrogant. Possibly rides the spectrum. He speaks what he believes. He’s not mean or disrespectful about it. We should all be so genuine.
I think that if Carlsen didn't take so many risks and played principled Early and Mid games, he would definitely be considered the best in history, but his tendency to take risks and attempt to do crazy lines is what makes him feel more alive and strong.
You know why i love carlsen over other chess players
Because he has guts to make slight mistake in chess to create imbalance in game to make the gaming having a result not just boring draws
He is currently changing chess where chess 960 is the match time controls and the traditional game is speed chess only.
However, no chess player has won as many games in a row to become world champion as Fischer, no one is even close.
There is a limit to his amazing mental ability that Wesley So beats him in Fisher's chess, a game where there is no rule about where pieces should be from the start.
Magnus also managed to finish top 5 in the Premier League (soccer) fantasy game among 7,6 million players.
Carlsen's arrogance is always filled with humor, and he is entitled to it, he is the GOAT
"Don't count him out of chess just yet". Huh? He clearly said at the time of announcing his relinquishment of the WCC that he was still going to play all the time in various tournaments and online.
Being Arrogant is different from Being the best and owning it and the world regocnises him as the GOAT .
I don't think he is arrogant. And even he is, I'd say he deserves to be arrogant. If anyone, it has to be him.
The thing with Magnus is he also uses mind tactics in which Computers don't care about😅 he's good but also manipulative