Nice video, very comprehensive I see you are very business minded. You bring something different to the hobby and I definitely appreciate it, not that I don't like being people cut eggs open or show us their collections every video but it's great to have more business oriented ideas as well. Keep up the great work guys!
Good video and solid info man people sometimes don’t take some of those factors into consideration as housing, food cost, and especially the work required selling animals that fit more into that pet range.
Thank you so much and we are pretty much the same! We want to have animals at every price point so we can help serve the widest amount of people possible!
Thank you and thank you so much for watching! Do you have an IG account for your reptile brand? If so we would love to check it out and share some of the love!
Dude, invest in other species that are less expensive to breed, and the normal's sell for a reasonable price that you are not losing money. Normal boas all sell for much more than 25 dollars the price of a normal ball python. Half of your clutches will be normal. Hog nose snakes normal's sell for 100 to 200 dollars, and they only eat pinkies or fuzzy mice. Other species are going up in price instead of down with much less investment. The ball python breeding market is a pyramid scheme that only works with the lower tier getting hosed.
This sounds good if 167 snakes sell for $300 profit. What does it cost to feed, clean supplies, bedding, energy cost, maintenance ext. for your breeders year round and the cost to feed care for the 167 before you sell?
Completely agree and honestly I have no idea. The more animals you have, the higher your overhead is to care for them all. Personally I don’t think trying to produce and sell 167 pet level hatchlings a year is the best way to attempt to make a living breeding snakes due to all the cost you outlined in your comment
ive watched a lot of your videos, your info is incredible, just up the mic volume a tad as im blasting this stuff at like 80% to get good volume, either that or im going deaf :D Either is possible, love the videos either way
Love the videos as you guys already know I've been growing mine to breed to give me plenty of time to learn. I should start producing my first clutches end of 2023. Your videos are very helpful to people like me thank you!
@@LeviathanSnakes I should hopefully have a few, leopard lesser x spider, lesser pin het VPI x het VPI, albino het pied x pin het pied, pied x HGW YB sugar, coral glow pastel g stripe x spider are the first locks we have had
I'm going into my 2nd year. I'm am breading pet ball pythons currently, BUT I'm doing so to re-invest in higher end genes. I want to sell in multiple price points. I also know that even if I produce a 15k animal, the market of people willing to buy a 15k animal, is a market where reputation is everything! Nobody is going to buy from Joe shmoe who has been breeding for 2 years, when they can go to Ozzy, JKR, ect...
It is a definite challenge trying to sell without a big name. Our advice is to actively market yourself in the 2-3 years you are raising up animals so by the time you do have high end animals, you have built up trust within the community. Thank you so much for watching btw!
It has been a bit since I recorded the video, but if i remember correctly I think the price thresholds were averages and didn’t take age into consideration If someone picked up an 4 adult Clown/het clown females for roughly $1k each and a $6k powerhouse male hatchling, you could make 4 clutches of really amazing animals in much less time than buying all hatchlings and growing them all up.
This is all true but anything your selling always goes off market selling price. Example you cant sell a snake for 1000 when it can be found way less in price...Your battle is the market.
Of course there is a correlation between the amount you paid for the original breeders and the average sales price per animal you sell...you are using $300 average selling price but that is driven by the value of the parents. I'm thinking if you averaged $1000 per breeding specimen (so 5.220 would be $25,000) then your average sale per baby sold would be closer to $500 each...yes? Instead of $300. I see people making the mistake of not spending enough money up front on their breeders and expecting to make good money. Cheap snakes produce more cheap snakes and the market is full of cheap ball pythons...2, $200 snakes bred together, will not produce expensive animals. They will produce $50-350 animals...any thoughts?
Completely agree. The potential value of offspring can be so hard to estimate and I agree that it isn’t a direct 1 to 1 kind of thing. For simplicity we went with the price of the parents makes the average price of the babies but there is definitely way more nuance than that
I don’t see anyone doing the real math. Like what and do figure out what I keep as profit and what goes back in the business? I’m starting small going crazy. Just getting started I know it’s get rich over night busses.
We thought about going for the profit angle, but rodent prices change so much for each individual person and area that we didn’t find the work required to do the research correctly would be worth the additional layer of specificity. From a high level, you would have a higher profit margin with the investment level animals vs the pet animals since you have a smaller number of animals that you have to care for. Just add the costs you would spend on rodents and electricity to what we stated as the equipment expenses and you will have a solid profit estimate once you subtract total expense from revenue
Yikes... Your #'s are *_way off_* seeing as how you didn't take into account the most basic factors in calculating annual profit such as *_overhead‼️_* If you sell _exactly_ $50k in snakes over the year, you did *_not_* make $50k... You made $50k - [yearly expenses that went into making those snakes] 💯 After factoring in $ spent on breeders, enclosures, food, staff, marketing, etc. you're going to need to sell at *_double_* the #"s you threw out 😂
Ball pythons are not invasive anywhere in The United States so this comment is just ignorant. Some believe Burmese pythons are invasive to South Florida but just because Burmese pythons and ball pythons are both snakes, doesn’t mean they are the same thing. I’m going to leave the original comment up, just so other people can see this response to it.
I started with a breeder mindset but transitioned to an investment mentality so my statistic is right between the two. 2.8 16,750 7015 ✅ 1065 is my last expense First season 2023 🤞
Great video. Down to earth. Especially the reminder that time is the most valuable of all :) thanks!
Thank you for watching! We really appreciate your comment!
Nice video, very comprehensive I see you are very business minded. You bring something different to the hobby and I definitely appreciate it, not that I don't like being people cut eggs open or show us their collections every video but it's great to have more business oriented ideas as well. Keep up the great work guys!
Thank you so much and we really appreciate you taking the time to watch!!
Good video and solid info man people sometimes don’t take some of those factors into consideration as housing, food cost, and especially the work required selling animals that fit more into that pet range.
Completely agree, man, and thank you so much for watching and commenting and always showing your support! Loving the videos you have been putting out!
Fantastic video! Seeing the difference in levels when looking at racks and all costs involved was awesome!
Thank you friend! We really appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Great video. I’ve been building my collection for a little over a year now. I’m working towards a balanced price range for my snakes. 200-3,000 range.
Thank you so much and we are pretty much the same! We want to have animals at every price point so we can help serve the widest amount of people possible!
Great video! You two put out such great content! I can’t wait for the day I’m just breeding snakes for a living!
Thank you Jeremy! You are awesome, and we hope your May the 4th show crushed it!
You really put it into perspective for someone like me who is just getting started. Great video!
Thank you and thank you so much for watching! Do you have an IG account for your reptile brand? If so we would love to check it out and share some of the love!
This is a great video....absolutely love your content 👏🏽 👏🏽💪🏾💪🏾🙌🏾 on all platforms 💯
Thank you friends!! It was super fun breaking down all the numbers!!! Definitely want to do more like this in the future!
Now This Is the Info we need.
Thank you, Main! You are awesome and we always love seeing in the comments! We really appreciate you!
Great vid man. Been on the fence for a while...... Thinking about taking the leap. Very informative love you guys man 💪🏾💪🏾👍🏾
Super happy you found it helpful!! Congrats on getting into the breeding side of the hobby! Cant wait to see everything you produce!
Dude, invest in other species that are less expensive to breed, and the normal's sell for a reasonable price that you are not losing money. Normal boas all sell for much more than 25 dollars the price of a normal ball python. Half of your clutches will be normal. Hog nose snakes normal's sell for 100 to 200 dollars, and they only eat pinkies or fuzzy mice. Other species are going up in price instead of down with much less investment. The ball python breeding market is a pyramid scheme that only works with the lower tier getting hosed.
This sounds good if 167 snakes sell for $300 profit. What does it cost to feed, clean supplies, bedding, energy cost, maintenance ext. for your breeders year round and the cost to feed care for the 167 before you sell?
Completely agree and honestly I have no idea. The more animals you have, the higher your overhead is to care for them all. Personally I don’t think trying to produce and sell 167 pet level hatchlings a year is the best way to attempt to make a living breeding snakes due to all the cost you outlined in your comment
This video is awesome! Definitely saving this to my youtube library! I will certainly be watching this again. Keep up the great work!
You are awesome, Jon! Hope everything is going well! I feel like we haven't seen you as much recently!
ive watched a lot of your videos, your info is incredible, just up the mic volume a tad as im blasting this stuff at like 80% to get good volume, either that or im going deaf :D Either is possible, love the videos either way
Yes! Are the more recent videos better? This one was from a couple years back and we have definitely tried to pay more attention to audio recently
Thank you so much for putting out this video a lot of great tips
Of course! We are stoked you found it useful!
Love the videos as you guys already know I've been growing mine to breed to give me plenty of time to learn. I should start producing my first clutches end of 2023. Your videos are very helpful to people like me thank you!
Thank you so much friend and we can’t wait to see what you produce!!!
This year I plan on buying two snakes just to start
Amazing video, I really love content like this
Thank you David! We really appreciate you, and hope to see you in the chat on Adam's live on Tuesday!
Amazing content! Love this video
Thank you! It was really fun diving into all the numbers and really interesting when looking at the costs on a holistic level!
Great video
Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to comment! You are awesome!
Great content!
At the same time this gave me anxiety.
Definitely good content here. Gives me a nice goal. I'm hoping for my first eggs soon!
That is so cool and congrats! What is the pairing for your first clutch?
@@LeviathanSnakes I should hopefully have a few, leopard lesser x spider, lesser pin het VPI x het VPI, albino het pied x pin het pied, pied x HGW YB sugar, coral glow pastel g stripe x spider are the first locks we have had
Lovely video
Thank you so much and thank you for watching!
50k sales, 65k overhead. Welcome to ball pythons. 😂😂
Very good video
Thank you!!!
18:22 snake: hey where am i going no ssstoop i wanna be in frame
Love Ares so much. He is definitely my favorite of all our snakes but don't tell the others lol
Tbh I love snakes if I wanted to make money I’d breed feeder rats an or mice ya I’d need about 15 000 per year to kit 50 k but no guess work
I'm going into my 2nd year. I'm am breading pet ball pythons currently, BUT I'm doing so to re-invest in higher end genes. I want to sell in multiple price points. I also know that even if I produce a 15k animal, the market of people willing to buy a 15k animal, is a market where reputation is everything! Nobody is going to buy from Joe shmoe who has been breeding for 2 years, when they can go to Ozzy, JKR, ect...
It is a definite challenge trying to sell without a big name. Our advice is to actively market yourself in the 2-3 years you are raising up animals so by the time you do have high end animals, you have built up trust within the community. Thank you so much for watching btw!
How do u know when to breed and how old can they be to be ready to breed
We have an ultrasound so we can identify when a female is building follicles and we pair when a female is at least 1500 grams and around 2 years old
There's tons of swiftness in their 20s, 30s, etc. She's been a star for like 1.5 decades now. Lol
I meant (seeing) people cut eggs in the previous comment!
some numbers on the screen would have been really useful
2 if you have the right ones.
Too true! We might be close to that next season when we pair our Sunset male to our Super Banana Sunset female!
And only produce the amount you personally can sell in a year or 2
The $17,000 for the Investment breeder snakes, is that based on buying them as juveniles?
It has been a bit since I recorded the video, but if i remember correctly I think the price thresholds were averages and didn’t take age into consideration
If someone picked up an 4 adult Clown/het clown females for roughly $1k each and a $6k powerhouse male hatchling, you could make 4 clutches of really amazing animals in much less time than buying all hatchlings and growing them all up.
This is all true but anything your selling always goes off market selling price. Example you cant sell a snake for 1000 when it can be found way less in price...Your battle is the market.
Of course there is a correlation between the amount you paid for the original breeders and the average sales price per animal you sell...you are using $300 average selling price but that is driven by the value of the parents. I'm thinking if you averaged $1000 per breeding specimen (so 5.220 would be $25,000) then your average sale per baby sold would be closer to $500 each...yes? Instead of $300. I see people making the mistake of not spending enough money up front on their breeders and expecting to make good money. Cheap snakes produce more cheap snakes and the market is full of cheap ball pythons...2, $200 snakes bred together, will not produce expensive animals. They will produce $50-350 animals...any thoughts?
Completely agree. The potential value of offspring can be so hard to estimate and I agree that it isn’t a direct 1 to 1 kind of thing. For simplicity we went with the price of the parents makes the average price of the babies but there is definitely way more nuance than that
I don’t see anyone doing the real math.
Like what and do figure out what I keep as profit and what goes back in the business? I’m starting small going crazy. Just getting started I know it’s get rich over night busses.
We thought about going for the profit angle, but rodent prices change so much for each individual person and area that we didn’t find the work required to do the research correctly would be worth the additional layer of specificity.
From a high level, you would have a higher profit margin with the investment level animals vs the pet animals since you have a smaller number of animals that you have to care for. Just add the costs you would spend on rodents and electricity to what we stated as the equipment expenses and you will have a solid profit estimate once you subtract total expense from revenue
Yikes... Your #'s are *_way off_* seeing as how you didn't take into account the most basic factors in calculating annual profit such as *_overhead‼️_*
If you sell _exactly_ $50k in snakes over the year, you did *_not_* make $50k... You made $50k - [yearly expenses that went into making those snakes] 💯
After factoring in $ spent on breeders, enclosures, food, staff, marketing, etc. you're going to need to sell at *_double_* the #"s you threw out 😂
You pretty clearly didn’t watch the whole video as we cover expenses in it lol
These snakes are an invasive species that is getting out of control. Why TF would we be breeding them???
Ball pythons are not invasive anywhere in The United States so this comment is just ignorant. Some believe Burmese pythons are invasive to South Florida but just because Burmese pythons and ball pythons are both snakes, doesn’t mean they are the same thing. I’m going to leave the original comment up, just so other people can see this response to it.
@@LeviathanSnakes bro you snapped !! Your killing it. Do what you love and make your coin.
I started with a breeder mindset but transitioned to an investment mentality so my statistic is right between the two.
2.8 16,750
7015 ✅
1065 is my last expense
First season 2023 🤞
Can’t wait to see what you do! 2023 is gonna be awesome!
Great video
Thank you friend! You are the man!