Machining a Worm Gear - Gashing and Hobbing

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  • Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
  • Process used to machine a worm gear

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  • @robertbarr8001
    @robertbarr8001 3 года назад +1

    Your videos are beautifully, simply and thoroughly explained. Thank you.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад +3

    The worm was cut (threaded) on a lathe. It is similar to an Acme thread (actually a Brown and Sharpe thread). This particular thread is a single start.

  • @mog5858
    @mog5858 12 лет назад

    very well done i never new that the hob drived the blank as well as cutting it i feal that i might be able to tack bilding a small worm drive now. thanks for your time great work keep it up.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад +1

    Some gears are cut (gashed) with an involute gear tooth cutter, the issue is that it not likey has the same form as the worm (usually similar to an acme form) requiring the hobb to finish the correct form. Due to the lead angle on the worm the milling machine table or head will require swivelling for a proper mesh.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  12 лет назад

    Good luck with your worm drive and thanks for your post.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад +1

    Essentially yes, it also makes the work load easier for the hobb.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    There is a slight helix to it to accommodate the lead angle of the meshing worm. It is also enveloping or throated because of the radius that the worm sits in. Good question, thanks.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    Other than calculating the gashing depth (which is cut shallow), you need no calculations for hobbing. The hob is "full-form" as soon as you reach throat diameter you have the proper size and profile. Thanks for your note.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    Glad you like it. Thanks for posting!

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  12 лет назад

    My pleasure, thanks for watching and posting! I should have another one for you in the next few days.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    A universal-horizontal milling machine is used and the tooth spacing is controlled by the hobb.

    • @Gottenhimfella
      @Gottenhimfella 6 лет назад

      When you (in the clip) talk of "tilting" the table: is that American for swivelling?
      Where I come from, tilting implies away from the vertical, which could not be used to align the cutter with the lead angle of the helix.
      (ON EDIT: I've since searched all the comments and see that you do talk, in one of your comments, of swivelling the table or the head, not tilting)

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  12 лет назад

    If you Google "Machinery Handbook by Industrial Press" you will find it. I believe the current edition is the 29th. Thanks for your post.

  • @BoffinGrusky
    @BoffinGrusky 12 лет назад

    Outstanding!! Thanks fpr posting!!

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    You likely could get away without using an involute cutter as the form is created by the hobb. You would have to use care to not overshoot the finished form.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    Yes helical gears is another story, honestly the math is very involved and would take me a while to go through. The Machinery handbook is a good reference, I also use Technology of Machine Tools author Krar (I think). I will research gear cutting info for you. A lot of it is older.

  • @marshalcraft
    @marshalcraft 11 лет назад

    very cool, im considering this for making a cnc machine to get the precision needed.

  • @AbhinavSG
    @AbhinavSG 11 лет назад

    this is a great video coz it is very informative & the explanations made are to the point & precise. I was looking forward to watching the HOBBING Operation, which is missing. Will appreciate a link to the 'HOBBING of the Worm Gear' video.
    Keep up the good work. :)

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    You bet, each axis has a (ball) screw. When it rotates it moves the table towards/away from you, left/right, up/down.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    In this example the form would be incorrect as the worm was cut with a Brown and Sharpe form rather than a DP.

  • @russellbarnhardt
    @russellbarnhardt 12 лет назад

    Just kidding. This is so cool, thanks for the videos!

  • @cyclejunk50
    @cyclejunk50 12 лет назад

    thanks for the videos

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  12 лет назад

    LOL it is the hand of the student that was making the gear.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    Good Luck!

  • @dianamccandless7094
    @dianamccandless7094 4 года назад

    thank you! That answers my question ("Can I order a bunch of worm gears to be made that are only toothed on the TOP? The answer is NO)

  • @ravneetsingh7606
    @ravneetsingh7606 10 лет назад +1

    thanks for the reply ...can you please guide me how to set the different ratios(5:1,10:1,25:1) between worm and worm gear

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    Yes, if you are rotating a worm is the way to go. I thought it was a linear movement!

  • @keldsor
    @keldsor 11 лет назад

    In fact I plan to use a big TAP to do the job - this way the Worm gear - I think - will match the Worm - IF I cut the Worm with a die matching the tap - right ?

  • @j.r.5130
    @j.r.5130 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for making this video, it was very interesting. Would the dividing head be a 40:1 worm gear as well?

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  3 года назад

      Yes it is 40:1, must (not all) dividing heads are 40:1.

  • @Srk7028
    @Srk7028 11 лет назад

    thanx for the video.,
    is this worm wheel is spur or helical gear type?which type worm wheel is this ?

  • @glassglowz
    @glassglowz 11 лет назад

    Excellent video! How did you make the worm though?

  • @marshalcraft
    @marshalcraft 11 лет назад

    what if i wanted to be able to rotate one axis very precisely?

  • @marshalcraft
    @marshalcraft 11 лет назад

    wouldnt i use a larger diameter worm gear with a ball screw?

  • @ravneetsingh7606
    @ravneetsingh7606 11 лет назад

    hi...can you please tell the machine used in this process of producing this worm wheel...and to maintain the teeth equidistant from each other...waiting for reply
    Thank you

  • @stanleyrodgers3375
    @stanleyrodgers3375 11 лет назад

    Nicely done! What errors would have been caused in the worm gear geometry if it had been finished to depth using the involute cutter instead of the hob?

    • @Gottenhimfella
      @Gottenhimfella 6 лет назад

      Even if the profile was correct, it is not possible to make the right shaped toothspace with a milling cutter which spins about an axis which is fixed in space relative to the workpiece.
      Thing about it this way: if you pressed a blob of clay into the toothspace on a hobbed wormwheel, then took it out, the resulting shape would not be a "solid of revolution" with respect to ANY axis.
      A solid of revolution is the sort of shape you could replicate on a lathe or a potter's wheel. It's the volume swept by revolving a flat profile, one of whose sides is a straight edge, about that edge (the "axis" referred to above).
      The blob of clay would instead look like something made in a lathe and then (before it had time to set) twisted or warped.

  • @marshalcraft
    @marshalcraft 11 лет назад

    linear movement would be a ball screw or lead screw yes?

  • @rpchaitanya6044
    @rpchaitanya6044 11 лет назад

    but in case of helical gears profile shift coefficients matter a lot.....

  • @rpchaitanya6044
    @rpchaitanya6044 11 лет назад

    Sir, thanks for the informative video... all i need is calculations... machinery handbooks give general equations .. but practical calculations like calculating correction .. profile shift co-efficients are not explained well.please can u suggest some books or mail me the calculations if you have the one..?? Thanks alot...

  • @mikeherron8652
    @mikeherron8652 8 месяцев назад

    I have a grizzly lathe with a broken worm gear driven gear, can you make one? Just much smaller than this video. Any help would be appreciated

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  8 месяцев назад

      The biggest thing you are up against is the hobb. The hobb will cut the worm gear. The hobb in the video is controlled by the diameter of the worm in this scenario. It is also a Brown and Sharpe worm thread... what I'm saying is it will depend on your situation. There are a few videos on line with a tap (hobb) in the spindle of the lathe cutting the worm gear. If you have enough of the old gear you cut the diameter, you can calculate circular pitch which will equal linear pitch (hobb, tap) if its throated that would be controlled by tap diameter. Thanks for watching and your questions. Good luck

  • @russellbarnhardt
    @russellbarnhardt 12 лет назад

    The spring winding video is way better!

  • @marshalcraft
    @marshalcraft 11 лет назад

    yes i will need a fare amount of luck, and even more knowledge from reading, youtube videos of people who have done it already, and frankly anywhere information can be found.

  • @JohnDoe-go2fc
    @JohnDoe-go2fc 9 лет назад

    Why dont you make them out of steel like sterring units or rack and pinion as they do not wear out for many many years, these bronze gears were out quick. I had a bunch to wear out in garden tillers. If i had steel gears i would still be tilling!

    • @HH-Machining
      @HH-Machining 6 лет назад

      Its made of bronze because it takes better heat away from the worm gear wich is made of steel.

  • @JCruise007
    @JCruise007 12 лет назад

    Where can i find the Machinery Handbook ??

  • @rpchaitanya6044
    @rpchaitanya6044 11 лет назад

    Thanks a lot..... :)

  • @arielpineda4532
    @arielpineda4532 6 лет назад

    im asking because i make worm gear in my company but not match to the worm shaft , i set up my dividing head into 6.5 degrees .dia. of worm gear is 76.00mm number of teeth 28 pls reply to my comment. tnx

  • @arielpineda4532
    @arielpineda4532 6 лет назад

    what is the degree of the worm gear teeth

  • @altaroffire56
    @altaroffire56 7 лет назад

    Can this be done in a vertical mill? If so, would the vertical mill be more or less convenient than a lathe?

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  7 лет назад

      There are vertical setups to cut gears, they are called gear generators.

  • @timjonminers
    @timjonminers 9 лет назад +1

    Would you be able to do a video on hobbing helical gears on a lathe? Many home machinists find this difficult

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  9 лет назад

      Jonathan Barnes I'm on holidays at the moment, I'll look at your suggestion when I get back. I'm half way through a video on differential indexing someone else wants. Thanks for the suggestion and stopping by.

    • @timjonminers
      @timjonminers 9 лет назад

      Brilliant, thanks. Great videos by the way.

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  9 лет назад

      Thanks for your kind words, I appreciate suggestions.

    • @timjonminers
      @timjonminers 9 лет назад

      I've bought a hob, assuming only the hob needs to be driven, in which case I would be able to use just my lathe. Is this the case or do both hob and workpiece need to be powered, meaning I would need an auxiliary drive mechanism?

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  9 лет назад

      If the hob is the correct form only it needs to be driven. The difficulty in a lathe is you need to drive the hob (held in the spindle) against the gear blank (held on the tool post/fixture on the carriage) it needs to freewheel, introduced at the proper angle and fed into the hob to obtain the proper tooth depth. It will help guide the hob if the gear blank has rough teeth "gashed" into the gearblank.

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    I'm not really sure why you want to use a worm gear to create a CNC machine.

  • @uthidsangawong850
    @uthidsangawong850 Год назад

    Hob cutting worm gear must be turn free.

  • @ccfoam
    @ccfoam 10 лет назад

    Nice Job! I would really like to see a worm being made. Any chance you need one?
    Thanks!
    Chuck

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  10 лет назад

      Hey Chuck, sure next time I cut one. It is really straight forward the pitch equals the circular pitch of the worm gear (I think it was 1/4 inch), the lathe is set to 4TPI and it is cut as a Brown and Sharp thread.
      Thanks for the feedback!

  • @DieselCrawler86
    @DieselCrawler86 12 лет назад

    What is the tattoo on your hand? are you are hard core gang bike that doubles as a machinist?

  • @machiningmoments
    @machiningmoments  11 лет назад

    That should work.

  • @pooleey
    @pooleey 6 лет назад

    How is the worm gear bronze mated to the steel center shaft?

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  6 лет назад

      The bronze is pressed on a steel hub which has a slide fit over a keyed shaft.

  • @Bizzhatesme
    @Bizzhatesme 10 лет назад

    Looks like some severe runout on the cutter body.

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  10 лет назад

      One of the issues with horizontal milling (B-style arbors). The hobb takes care of it.

    • @Bizzhatesme
      @Bizzhatesme 10 лет назад

      I have only had one that ran out more than .009 inch.

  • @uchepuche8391
    @uchepuche8391 4 года назад

    The blank is it concave machine ???

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  4 года назад

      The concave shape is cut into the gear so the worm can sit in it.

    • @uchepuche8391
      @uchepuche8391 4 года назад

      @@machiningmoments the concave blank is first machine in the lathe before gear cutting,sorry for my armature questions am just new in machining,thanks for your attention.

    • @uchepuche8391
      @uchepuche8391 4 года назад

      please is very important your response

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  4 года назад

      Yes the gear blank is first turned on a lathe with the concave center then it is placed in the milling machine to have the gear teeth cut in the blank.

    • @uchepuche8391
      @uchepuche8391 4 года назад

      @@machiningmoments thanks very gratefull

  • @barryhill2978
    @barryhill2978 11 лет назад

    this is boss

  • @arielpineda4532
    @arielpineda4532 6 лет назад

    and last ! i only use single fly cutter.

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  6 лет назад

      I believe the example in the video is 2.7 deg. If you know the pitch diameter of your worm you can do trig to calculate the lead angle. The worm and worm gear will have the same angle. A fly cutter will work fine.

  • @rubenarancibia7145
    @rubenarancibia7145 8 лет назад

    can you do this in metrical units or you need to change the tools?

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  8 лет назад

      The process is similar, the cutting tool is basically the same...the big difference is metric uses "module" to select cutters and do calculations. Inch, imperial gears use "diametral pitch" to select cutters and do calculations.

    • @rubenarancibia7145
      @rubenarancibia7145 8 лет назад

      +machiningmoments I don't have much experience in manufacturing, thanks.. so the hobb you used here would be different if you were cutting a metrical gear rigth? because of the axial pitch, thanks

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  8 лет назад

      That's correct, the pitch (axial distance) is different inch/metric which means different hobbs are required. The module/diametrical pitch is used with tooth size and form. For not having a lot of experience you have really good questions!

    • @joudymambu9608
      @joudymambu9608 7 лет назад

      thanks is the trie solution teknik is the better

  • @joudymambu9608
    @joudymambu9608 7 лет назад

    is good

  • @josiahlevasseur4479
    @josiahlevasseur4479 3 года назад

    I didn’t know Jordan Peterson was a machinist

    • @machiningmoments
      @machiningmoments  3 года назад +1

      I have heard before I sound like Jordan Peterson.

    • @josiahlevasseur4479
      @josiahlevasseur4479 3 года назад

      @@machiningmoments lol you sound exactly like him 🤣 love the videos

  • @Soilift
    @Soilift 12 лет назад

    hahahaha!! :-)