@@starwarsfananimations Yep, but according to Making Magic, the swoop and Sentinel-class shuttle were originally designed for the Special Editions, so LucasArts slipped these things into the game presumably to give us a preview of what we would later see in the Special Edition. But the Outrider model was still designed for the game, so they put it in the Special Edition.
I knew about the Outrider and swoops being in the Special Edition of A New Hope but missed its other inclusions. And I love the idea of Xizor being at the pod race in The Phantom Menace! Thanks for such an informative video. 😄
I know! There’s a big fan project in the works rn called Tales from Boonta Eve in the style of the Bantam Short Story collections and I’m working on Xizor’s tale!
@@starwarsfananimations I'll take Shadows over anything in the sequel trilogy. But it does make me want a Darth Vader show set on Coruscant which is something Shadows did touch upon.
I knew about the Outrider being there, but didn't realize the Sentinel Landing craft originated from Shadows of the Empire. Always assumed it came from X-Wing Alliance because that's where I saw it first.
Fun fact: That k•b toys sticker is from Jan 1997. Date coded And I'm having a hard time believing they charged 13$ for that even with an employee discount, lol
@@YoshiCookie it’s too late for live-action. All the OT cast are either too old or dead, nobody wants to recast them in live-action, and CGI/AI isn’t very popular among fans.
Ah yes I remember reading Shadows of the Empire as a kid back in 90s, along with playing the N64 game. I also have the soundtrack too. It's what really got me into the EU books. Incidentally Shadows of the Empire was the first Star Wars media to feature a nut shot.
It’s one of the best entries into the EU, and because it’s in all 3 primary mediums, new EU fans can pick where they want to start! When someone who’s never engaged with the EU asks about where to start SOTE is always a top 5 best places to start recommendation from me!
At least the YT-2400 light freighter made it into LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga. Though it'd be nice if Dash Rendar was in it too as a DLC, or if you could create your own custom character to look like Dash.
@@starwarsfananimations OOM-14 from Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds made it in as the captain of the obtainable Invisible Hand capital ship and he even got his own boss battle. Otherwise, the only EU characters that made it into the game, even as DLCs, were ones already canonized by Disney, like Grand Admiral Thrawn.
Great video! Very cool to find out about those easter egss. Also, I beseech you, please dont use that rap beat. Its friggin everywhere and has worn out its welcome.
Shadows of the Empire was a movie media blitz - without a movie. It was really ingenious, and the fans ate it up like ice cream (ask me how i know). This is back when Star Wars had a plan and wasn’t run by toxic, smooth-brained liberals.
@@starwarsfananimations I was talking about some elements such as the Blacksun, the Outrider, etc not the story as it was replaced by stories like the War of the Bounty Hunters, etc in the comics.
Its so frustrating to me that so many people insist that the EU was never canon. Absolutely, George said that the EU and his Star Wars universe were two separate universes, one that he made, and one that the fans made, however he had no problems with respecting the EU and referencing it. For a while, he seemed to really like the EU for the most part. It was only until the Clone Wars show started airing that he started to change his mind and break pre-established EU lore. Up until then, he was fine with it.
The EU is and always was canon. Lucas had a tiered canon system set up to solve all inconsistencies, it was brilliant. It's only Disney nutcases who hate on the old EU aside from the few parts that everyone agrees are silly. As for Filoni, that guy lowered the standards of everything he touched.
I was once the biggest Star Wars fan ever, then Disney disbanded the EU and literally took a shit all over the series trying to rewrite Star Wars history essentially. Now I do my best to distance myself from the series but in my opinion, if Disney wanted to make it up to us Star Wars fans as an apology they should make shadows of the empire a movie like rogue one. Only way they can be redeemed
If Xicor *was* actually in The Phantom Menace, that raises the question if that makes him a part of the newer canon, too (especially since Black Sun and Falleen do exist in it thanks to TCW).
Xizor was mentioned in the War of the Bounty Hunters comics as being in charge of Black Sun, though he hasn’t made a DisCan appearance yet. WotBH kinda stinks though imo bc it essentially is Disney’s low effort replacement of SOTE. Qi’ra from “Solo” is effectively the new Xizor, and it ties into the same comics that reference the sequels and other BS. It does a few cool things like expand on Valence and Domina Tagge from the Star Wars ‘77 comics, but fails to be better than the EU story it’s replacing, including only token references to characters like Xizor without providing any of the substance that made that character great to begin with
It’s a cut ROTJ scene that was cut because the film quality was pretty bad due to the environment (and also probably because it features another Luke/Leia kiss…
Which one? I know that a track heard in Episode I Racer, also on N64, was used during the fight in the arena, but that track was already composed for The Phantom Menace and recycled for the game.
Xizor in TPM was just a behind the scenes thing before the CGI was laid in. It was a cool nod, though. I didn't know about that Galaxies trading card of him. That's a pretty cool way to tie it together.
THE Trading card art and the NEG to Characters placing his age at 68 during TPM, in addition to references to him in Darth Plagueis all add up to great supporting evidence that he attended the same event!
You Missed a BIG ONE, In Episode II Anakin Rides an S-Swoop from Shadows when he goes to find his Mother on Tattooine, its the exact same Model and Color as the Kenner Vehicle! I almost Cheered when i saw that in the Theatre. :)
They do look very similar don’t they? I think there’s some slight differences, and I almost included it, but the design is like halfway between a SOTE swoop and the imperial speeder bikes from ROTJ so I figured it was more it’s own thing
@@starwarsfananimationsFair enough, i had thought it was a more realistically realized S-Swoop, it still has the same curves and color, and 2002 was only 5 years or so after Shadows so clearly there was still lots of references to the content at the time since Lucas seemed to be all about splicing stuff in. Loved the Video, i hadn't realized there were so many references to SoTE, My Nerdiness just kicked in when I was a bit surprised this hadn't made the cut. 🙂🖖
This. ... this is what Im talking about. This is the kind of shit that's missing from Disney. Whatever happened to the multimedia projects? Disney has squandered so many opportunities and continue to drive this series into the ground.
Actually you have it, now, in abundance. It's called, The High Republic Multimedia Initiative; in existence since January 2021. It encompasses publishing (Phases One thru Three in books, comics, and audio dramas), Animation (Young Jedi Adventures), and video game content (JEDI: Survivor, SW: Eclipse).
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 Yes, I'm aware of that, but even the High Republic era feels fumbled and a wasted opportunity. I've yet to see things like a toy line or any sort of further tie-ins with other media. Take The Force Unleashed for example. You had the comic, the video games, the toys and other collectibles and then you even had content being featured in other media like Soul Calibur 4. Shadows of the Empire had even more content. Including the books, comics, audio drama. Toy line. There was only one video game, but Shadows saw further ties in with other media such as references in Empire at War, Force Commander, Rogue Squadron and X-Wing Alliance and the impact of Shadows of the Empire is still felt today and several references even appeared in the Clone Wars TV Show. By comparison, the High Republic has books, comics and an audio drama. I've never seen Young Jedi Adventures, but just looking at it seems like it wouldn't be very appealing to me at all. There are some vague references to it in Jedi Survivor. Eclipse isn't even out yet and honestly the development has been severely troubling. I thought it was cancelled. No toy line or collectibles either and the Acolyte was beyond terrible. By comparison, it just seems like Disney doesn't have a good grasp on how to handle the extent of a multimedia project. Not to the extent that George Lucas and his team were capable of doing. The drive and passion just isn't there with Disney.
@@Capt_CrimsoN I see what you're saying. The difference between the two is: SOTE was basically the same story told in different formats, from different vantage-points. THR is a continuing epic story, in the manner of Lucas' trilogies. Phase One of the publishing side takes place 232 years before ANH; while Phase Two goes back from 382 to 400-plus years before Episode IV; seemingly reaching its conclusion in Phase Three, which takes place 230 to 229 BBY. It's an elaborate, intricate block of storytelling. Young Jedi Adventures takes place during Phase One. The flashbacks in JEDI: Survivor take place at the tail end of Phase Three, foreshadowing events that haven't even taken place in the books or comics on the timeline. It seems SW: Eclipse is meant to take place after the war between The Nihil and The Republic. Honestly, I don't consider, The Acolyte to be really part of THR time period, since, by its own admission, it takes place literally during the last weeks of that period. Headland's rendering of those last days, really don't align with the (for the most part, barring terrible concepts from some of the authors) quality storytelling that's been going on since Winter 2021. I'd bet, she didn't read much (if any) of the books or comics, nor view the parts from the video game, or listen to the audio dramas, before she penned her monstrosity. Headland wrote her concept sometime around late 2019--very early 2020. Meanwhile, the Initiative didn't release until January 2021. That's where some of the problems you describe come from. There's not enough conversation between the diverse groups of creatives involved in this venture; which, on occasion, has led to a lack of overall narrative and tonal cohesion. THR is way more ambitious and detailed than SOTE; but, Lucas' project was more unified, direct, and consistent in its execution and release. Even the PR for the 1996 project was problem-free; whereas THR has been controversial, to say the least.
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 "There's not enough conversation between the diverse groups of creatives involved in this venture; which, on occasion, has led to a lack of overall narrative and tonal cohesion." This is exactly the issue, and to date it's been the only multimedia project that Disney has really done since attaining the IP. For all the criticism George gets, one positive is his ability to focus on a project and as a result there was some quality control as Lucas had direct control to approve or disapprove of all elements of the expanded universe. Disney just seems to treat every project like a free for all with the only objective being to pump out content for consumers regardless of quality control.
Only the bits George liked were considered to be part of his personal canon not the entire EU. If George had made the sequels himself, he would have ignored most if not all of the post-ROTJ EU.
@@Tuskin38 Yeah and I don't blame him. My issue is that Disney wiped out the entire EU. Even the stuff that wouldn't have contradicted them at all. It was lazy, but exactly what I'd expect a bunch of MBA suits to do.
And, THAT is why I consider The SW Radio Dramas and SOTE to be canon, like George Lucas intended it all to be. I'm still pissed that Kennedy and her Story Group decided to de-canonize both works.
@@starwarsfananimations My hope is that, the rumored Animated series from Lucas and Filoni, along w/ the rest of the stories in, The Mandoverse bring Dash Rendar, Savan, Guri, the human replica/clone of Stanton Rendar, Black Sun syndicate, and, The Outrider (even though Filoni was able to bring it back in, SW: Rebels, it wasn't owned by Rendar...maybe that one can be The Outrider II) back where they all belong. After all, Lucas' plans for the aftermath of The OT involved major conflicts within The Outer Rim, causing problems and hard decisions for The New Republic. I'd love for, Skeleton Crew to touch on some of these concepts and characters. I still consider Luke's yellow lightsaber's origins to be Steve Perry's rendering...not the Disney version. My hope is that, sometime in The Mando movies, Luke gifts that lightsaber to Jacen Syndulla, even if he won't end up a Jedi, but a Force-user.
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 ...But not in the Dinsey reboot. Too many contradictions. You just have to accept that the EU is also CANON but not the same as Mickey's. I swear, it’s not difficult! Especially knowing what Disney's so-called "canon" looks like...
@@abstraction6212 that’s a pretty strong connection! One of my favorite parts of SOTE! Though that was more SOTE trying to connect to ROTJ than the other way around. All 6 references I discuss here were made after SOTE released
The shot of the Outrider leaving Hoth wasn’t in the movies, it’s just a fuller shot of the Outrider from the game to show what it looked like in the game. The shot of the Outrider flying over Mos Eisley is what I was talking about at 0:47
I always knew the EU was canon. I’m so tired of Disney Star Wars fans saying he never canonized or approved the EU. What a steaming load of poodoo. If these were included in the Special Editions, it means they’re CANON! It means Jake Skywalker and Reylo are now Legends, along with most of Disney’s own canon. 😂
Well many of the Sequel Trilogy characters actually do technically exist in the Legends/EU continuity. Star Tours: The Adventures Continue is a Legends ride that canonically takes place in 1 BBY, but Disney later updated it to include characters and locations from the Sequel Trilogy and the Disney Plus shows like The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Andor. Of course, none of the stuff they did in the actual Sequel Trilogy matters. Just what we see on the ride. And it also means Lando now has a father, uncle, grandfather, or some other unspecified older male relative that shares the same name and looks just like him aside from being older. Someone should make a video discussing this. I think it'd make for a great story to imagine how factions like the First Order and Resistance would operate during the Galactic Civil War while the Rebels and Empire are doing their own thing.
@@Bauglir100 Are you listening to yourself? The sequel trilogy IS NOT the EU. The EU is the REAL sequel trilogy. It started with Anakin and ended with Cade. Nuff said.
@@MrScaryPasta I didn't say the Sequel Trilogy was part of the EU. I never implied it. I'm saying Disney accidentally slipped in a bunch of their "Canon" characters into the old Legends continuity by updating a Legends ride (it debuted in 2011, so it's definitely not Disney Canon) to include content from their "Canon". Just like how Star Wars: The Old Republic is still getting updated even after Disney shut down the EU without it being canonized. If Disney can pick and choose Legends stuff and make it canon in a new context, then the reverse should be true too. So we have two versions of characters like Cassian Andor and Rey: The original ones that originated in Disney's "Canon" movies and shows, and the Legends/Expanded Universe versions that debuted in the recent updates made to Star Tours: The Adventures Continue. And since they've all been moved to 1 BBY instead of whenever they originally existed, they will end up living totally different lives than the ones they had in Disney Canon.
This really is just more evidence that debunks the theory that George Lucas didn't like the EU or didn't may any mind to it. Which was already false to begin with anyway since some people forget that he created the Force Unleashed, and even highly approved of the KOTOR games, so there's no doubt he wanted to certify a lot of the good EU stuff.
According to LucasFilm illustrator Doug Chiang who helped design it, the YT-2400 was designed for the special editions first, and then worked with the SOTE team to use it there for the Outrider. Yes SOTE released a year before, but special editions were in production for a while.
Actually, the YT-2400 was designed for Shadows of the Empire first, rather than the other way around. Doug Chiang designed the Outrider along with the Virago and the IG-2000 ships for the game. You can read about the development process and see the designs in the 1996 book "Secrets of Shadows of the Empire." LucasArts developer Jon Knoles also confirmed it was designed for the game first; ILM actually asked if they could use LucasArts' hi-resolution model of the Outrider that Knoles had developed as a reference, along with an Imperial landing craft, to put into the Special Edition. You can listen to Knoles tell the in-depth development history in his appearance on the Force Material podcast.
In 1996, Lucasfilm, when headed by George Lucas, told us that the events, characters, ships, etc. of Shadows of the Empire were canon. Post 2012, Lucasfilm, no longer headed by George Lucas, tells us that the events, and many of the characters are not canon. I am going with what George and company said.
@@starwars.legends.illustrated He cared above it a good deal more than that I’d wager, but he certainly had more time to oversee stuff in the Bantam and early Dark Horse era before he started working on the prequels
Before finalizing his plans for the Phantom Menace and the PT, George Lucas had serious intent to adapt either Shadows of the Empire or another Star Wars novel called Splinter of the Mind's Eye into a movie. I think there was also supposed to be a TV series. So Shadow's of the Empire is about as George Lucas canon as you can get. Such a shame Disney ignores all of the cool EU material and takes the trash instead. I wonder if they really do have a grudge against Lucas...
In the late 90s, Lucasfilm has serious plans to adapt Young Jedi Knights into an animated TV show! It ended up not happening though because Lucasfilm didn’t want to do any new movies or shows until after the prequels came out, and by then, Lucas was more interested in doing Clone Wars and Underworld
The thing about the EU, as much as I do remember it fondly, is that it did end up kind of a mess. For example, I can remember no less than four different versions of the mission to steal the Death Star plans, on four different planets, with four different characters. There was really no cohesion and to be blunt, a lot of uncreative nonsense. Every story that's not about Luke, Leia and Han has them show up at some point anyway. Every story has a main character who turns out to be a Jedi. Every new spaceship is just an old spaceship with a very simple modification to make it easier to portray in text form. ("It's an Imperial Star Destroyer, but... red!") And don't get me started on the like three different plot arcs that are just "What if a new bad guy shows up and completely destroys literally everything in the galaxy!" Obviously that's not the case for all of the EU, but it was a major, and growing, issue. And as good as some of the books were, like Heir to the Empire, they wouldn't translate well into visual media. SOTE was kinda made to fit, and it did a really good job, put a lot of work into it. Between these references, and those in Clone Wars, I don't mind considering it still canon. Actually same deal for the Republic Commando series. But most of the rest of it... I mean, I was content to leave behind "Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu", except I think it was referenced in the Solo movie... :/
Awesome video. Sadly after the prequels, instead of acknowledging the EU, like he did there, he ended up backstabbing the EU creatives by wanting to remake the CW event with Filoni. Unforgivable.
@@starwarsfananimations And many say that it was Disney who hurt the EU. They have, but they didn't start the process, it was Lucas himself. Again, unforgivable. I respect him as a creative, but his mistakes are what let to the franchise's current status.
@@asantiago704 Yeah, I did, it proves he didn't care about most of the EU as it wasn't his story. If George had made the sequels himself, he would have ignored most if not all of the post-ROTJ EU.
What a misleading crappy video. Xizor was NEVER in episode 1. Did you watch it at all? Were cotton tips in the movie, too? Its only the outrider and the droid. Everything else is bs. Radio show doesn't mean movies
I didn’t say he was, I said they put a micro machines toy of him on the miniature set (in 3 different places) and that the idea of him being there was a cool thought. Sure you can’t see him but the people working on TPM put in enough effort to include him in the crowd which is significant. Swoops and Sentinels appeared in SOTE before ANH: SE. where’s the lie? I also explained that the radio drama falls under the purview of George Lucas and the fact that SOTE was referenced in it is significant. The point of the video is to show evidence that George Lucas supervised and/or permitted 6 solid ties to SOTE throughout HIS Star Wars stories. If you don’t find it cool, I don’t know what to tell you…
@starwarsfananimations 😆 🤣 😂 there were tons of other little figures in the podrace model. Not just him. But nice try. Btw i still have my SOTE shirt from dark horse and lucasfilm they gave me at comic con from like 94. I played the game and still have an N64 podrscer in the box and have all the books. This is reaching. I give u there were 2 references. The outrider being the only one that mattered. And u could barely make it out. It was CGI. Never a real model in the movie
@@JedimillerReturns What does the Outrider being CGI have to do with anything? It doesn't matter how they did it as long as they included it at all. Otherwise none of the other stuff they added in the Special Editions would "count" either. They could've just as easily _not_ put the Outrider in there.
Thanks for covering Shadows of the Empire.
My pleasure! It’s one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars!
0:56 - Swoops were actually introduced in Brian Daley's 1979 novel "Han Solo's Revenge"
Sure was! Their principle design was first depicted in SOTE and the version shown in the ANH: SE is nearly identical to the game!
@@starwarsfananimations Yep, but according to Making Magic, the swoop and Sentinel-class shuttle were originally designed for the Special Editions, so LucasArts slipped these things into the game presumably to give us a preview of what we would later see in the Special Edition. But the Outrider model was still designed for the game, so they put it in the Special Edition.
@@FreddyKurganNimmo Nerd.
I knew about the Outrider and swoops being in the Special Edition of A New Hope but missed its other inclusions. And I love the idea of Xizor being at the pod race in The Phantom Menace! Thanks for such an informative video. 😄
I know! There’s a big fan project in the works rn called Tales from Boonta Eve in the style of the Bantam Short Story collections and I’m working on Xizor’s tale!
@@starwarsfananimations, that is absolutely fantastic! I would love to read it someday.
Prince Xizor is a very interesting villain to think about.
@@123mandalore777 one of the EU’s best!
I always thought shadows of the empire was too cool and well written to not be canon.
One of the coolest EU stories!
Dash Rendar's ship
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Great breakdown, somehow wasn't aware of any of these!
Glad you enjoyed!
It’s great that Steve Perry snuck in some of his own material from his non-Star Wars Matadors novel series.
For sure! Lots of cool nods!
they also released an official soundtrack for Shadows of the Empire
Sure did! I talk about it and all of the other aspects and editions in my SOTE MMP video!
@@starwarsfananimations I'll take Shadows over anything in the sequel trilogy. But it does make me want a Darth Vader show set on Coruscant which is something Shadows did touch upon.
I knew about the Outrider being there, but didn't realize the Sentinel Landing craft originated from Shadows of the Empire. Always assumed it came from X-Wing Alliance because that's where I saw it first.
My understanding is that it was being worked on simultaneously for several projects, but it was first settled and shown in Shadows!
1:00 OMG how did I never notice that?!
It goes right by if you’re not looking for it!
Fun fact:
That k•b toys sticker is from Jan 1997. Date coded
And I'm having a hard time believing they charged 13$ for that even with an employee discount, lol
I’ve never had one, just found this pic online. How much did it normally sell for?
This just makes me want a Clone Wars animated series style 'Shadows of the Empire' even more...
Don’t have a clone wars style one for you, but I’m working on a SOTE animated fan film!
I'd settle for an audio drama that combines everything from the novel, comics, and video game.
SOTE novel honestly feels like if Clone Wars was made in 1996 anyways, it's great.
No. Live action.
@@YoshiCookie it’s too late for live-action. All the OT cast are either too old or dead, nobody wants to recast them in live-action, and CGI/AI isn’t very popular among fans.
Ah yes I remember reading Shadows of the Empire as a kid back in 90s, along with playing the N64 game. I also have the soundtrack too. It's what really got me into the EU books.
Incidentally Shadows of the Empire was the first Star Wars media to feature a nut shot.
It’s one of the best entries into the EU, and because it’s in all 3 primary mediums, new EU fans can pick where they want to start! When someone who’s never engaged with the EU asks about where to start SOTE is always a top 5 best places to start recommendation from me!
Shadows of the Empire is my favorite EU novel along with Choices of One
Both excellent stories!
Don't forg3t th3r3 is a soundtrack of th3 book. It's badass
@@DanielCastro-x1l sure is!
Is your E key broken?
@@2literoverlord482 sadly so
I still remember when Rebels had the same type of ship as the outrider, piloted by a young male pilot, and it wasn't Dash. I was so disappointed.
At least the YT-2400 light freighter made it into LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga. Though it'd be nice if Dash Rendar was in it too as a DLC, or if you could create your own custom character to look like Dash.
It’d be cool if it had other EU characters too
Yeah, major disappointment
@@starwarsfananimations
OOM-14 from Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds made it in as the captain of the obtainable Invisible Hand capital ship and he even got his own boss battle. Otherwise, the only EU characters that made it into the game, even as DLCs, were ones already canonized by Disney, like Grand Admiral Thrawn.
thanks for making this! and thank you for actually using your real voice in it! so tired of the AI voiced videos lol
Glad you like it!
3:26 is that your collection in the background, thats insane if it is
Sure is!
I still have the soundtrack!
Awesome!
Still my favorite SW game
@@codman4372wx sure is one of the best!
I got the book. Somewhere.
Wonderful!
Long live the Falleen.
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0:19 Whats this Wallpaper's Name?
Heroes of Star Wars comics by Tsuneo Sanda sandaworld.com/gallery/anniversary/
Prince Xizor in TPM blew my mind when I found it out. Good video!
Thanks!
Great video! Very cool to find out about those easter egss.
Also, I beseech you, please dont use that rap beat.
Its friggin everywhere and has worn out its welcome.
Shadows of the Empire was a movie media blitz - without a movie. It was really ingenious, and the fans ate it up like ice cream (ask me how i know). This is back when Star Wars had a plan and wasn’t run by toxic, smooth-brained liberals.
Accurate
A lot of elements from Shadows of the Empire are canon including Dash Rendar.
In name only unfortunately. The whole story has been replaced by War of the Bounty Hunters and Outlaws now. Big downgrade
@@starwarsfananimations I was talking about some elements such as the Blacksun, the Outrider, etc not the story as it was replaced by stories like the War of the Bounty Hunters, etc in the comics.
Its so frustrating to me that so many people insist that the EU was never canon. Absolutely, George said that the EU and his Star Wars universe were two separate universes, one that he made, and one that the fans made, however he had no problems with respecting the EU and referencing it. For a while, he seemed to really like the EU for the most part. It was only until the Clone Wars show started airing that he started to change his mind and break pre-established EU lore. Up until then, he was fine with it.
Exactly. Even then, most TCW retcons came from Filoni and George hired other people to canon-keep. Filoni just didn’t care
The EU is and always was canon. Lucas had a tiered canon system set up to solve all inconsistencies, it was brilliant. It's only Disney nutcases who hate on the old EU aside from the few parts that everyone agrees are silly. As for Filoni, that guy lowered the standards of everything he touched.
I was once the biggest Star Wars fan ever, then Disney disbanded the EU and literally took a shit all over the series trying to rewrite Star Wars history essentially. Now I do my best to distance myself from the series but in my opinion, if Disney wanted to make it up to us Star Wars fans as an apology they should make shadows of the empire a movie like rogue one. Only way they can be redeemed
Starting over with a new canon has been Disneys worst mistake
Nice.
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If Xicor *was* actually in The Phantom Menace, that raises the question if that makes him a part of the newer canon, too (especially since Black Sun and Falleen do exist in it thanks to TCW).
Xizor has already been canonized.
@@Bauglir100 Oh? I didn't know that.
Xizor was mentioned in the War of the Bounty Hunters comics as being in charge of Black Sun, though he hasn’t made a DisCan appearance yet. WotBH kinda stinks though imo bc it essentially is Disney’s low effort replacement of SOTE. Qi’ra from “Solo” is effectively the new Xizor, and it ties into the same comics that reference the sequels and other BS. It does a few cool things like expand on Valence and Domina Tagge from the Star Wars ‘77 comics, but fails to be better than the EU story it’s replacing, including only token references to characters like Xizor without providing any of the substance that made that character great to begin with
What's that shot of Han and Luke in a sandstorm at 2.36 from?
It’s a cut ROTJ scene that was cut because the film quality was pretty bad due to the environment (and also probably because it features another Luke/Leia kiss…
@@starwarsfananimationsis this scene anywhere online?
@@matthewdebono862 It's in the Blu-Ray release along with several other deleted scenes from the movies.
Sometimes you see stuff released early.
There was a battle track from Rogue Squadron 64 (maybe '98) that was later heard in Attack of the Clones
Lovely, all of it!
Which one? I know that a track heard in Episode I Racer, also on N64, was used during the fight in the arena, but that track was already composed for The Phantom Menace and recycled for the game.
Xizor in TPM was just a behind the scenes thing before the CGI was laid in. It was a cool nod, though. I didn't know about that Galaxies trading card of him. That's a pretty cool way to tie it together.
THE Trading card art and the NEG to Characters placing his age at 68 during TPM, in addition to references to him in Darth Plagueis all add up to great supporting evidence that he attended the same event!
You Missed a BIG ONE, In Episode II Anakin Rides an S-Swoop from Shadows when he goes to find his Mother on Tattooine, its the exact same Model and Color as the Kenner Vehicle! I almost Cheered when i saw that in the Theatre. :)
They do look very similar don’t they? I think there’s some slight differences, and I almost included it, but the design is like halfway between a SOTE swoop and the imperial speeder bikes from ROTJ so I figured it was more it’s own thing
@@starwarsfananimationsFair enough, i had thought it was a more realistically realized S-Swoop, it still has the same curves and color, and 2002 was only 5 years or so after Shadows so clearly there was still lots of references to the content at the time since Lucas seemed to be all about splicing stuff in. Loved the Video, i hadn't realized there were so many references to SoTE, My Nerdiness just kicked in when I was a bit surprised this hadn't made the cut.
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@@jolnnydavis 😁
AND SOUNDTRACK
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This. ... this is what Im talking about. This is the kind of shit that's missing from Disney. Whatever happened to the multimedia projects? Disney has squandered so many opportunities and continue to drive this series into the ground.
Well said
Actually you have it, now, in abundance. It's called, The High Republic Multimedia Initiative; in existence since January 2021. It encompasses publishing (Phases One thru Three in books, comics, and audio dramas), Animation (Young Jedi Adventures), and video game content (JEDI: Survivor, SW: Eclipse).
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 Yes, I'm aware of that, but even the High Republic era feels fumbled and a wasted opportunity. I've yet to see things like a toy line or any sort of further tie-ins with other media. Take The Force Unleashed for example. You had the comic, the video games, the toys and other collectibles and then you even had content being featured in other media like Soul Calibur 4. Shadows of the Empire had even more content. Including the books, comics, audio drama. Toy line. There was only one video game, but Shadows saw further ties in with other media such as references in Empire at War, Force Commander, Rogue Squadron and X-Wing Alliance and the impact of Shadows of the Empire is still felt today and several references even appeared in the Clone Wars TV Show.
By comparison, the High Republic has books, comics and an audio drama. I've never seen Young Jedi Adventures, but just looking at it seems like it wouldn't be very appealing to me at all. There are some vague references to it in Jedi Survivor. Eclipse isn't even out yet and honestly the development has been severely troubling. I thought it was cancelled. No toy line or collectibles either and the Acolyte was beyond terrible.
By comparison, it just seems like Disney doesn't have a good grasp on how to handle the extent of a multimedia project. Not to the extent that George Lucas and his team were capable of doing. The drive and passion just isn't there with Disney.
@@Capt_CrimsoN I see what you're saying. The difference between the two is: SOTE was basically the same story told in different formats, from different vantage-points. THR is a continuing epic story, in the manner of Lucas' trilogies. Phase One of the publishing side takes place 232 years before ANH; while Phase Two goes back from 382 to 400-plus years before Episode IV; seemingly reaching its conclusion in Phase Three, which takes place 230 to 229 BBY. It's an elaborate, intricate block of storytelling. Young Jedi Adventures takes place during Phase One. The flashbacks in JEDI: Survivor take place at the tail end of Phase Three, foreshadowing events that haven't even taken place in the books or comics on the timeline. It seems SW: Eclipse is meant to take place after the war between The Nihil and The Republic. Honestly, I don't consider, The Acolyte to be really part of THR time period, since, by its own admission, it takes place literally during the last weeks of that period. Headland's rendering of those last days, really don't align with the (for the most part, barring terrible concepts from some of the authors) quality storytelling that's been going on since Winter 2021. I'd bet, she didn't read much (if any) of the books or comics, nor view the parts from the video game, or listen to the audio dramas, before she penned her monstrosity. Headland wrote her concept sometime around late 2019--very early 2020. Meanwhile, the Initiative didn't release until January 2021. That's where some of the problems you describe come from. There's not enough conversation between the diverse groups of creatives involved in this venture; which, on occasion, has led to a lack of overall narrative and tonal cohesion. THR is way more ambitious and detailed than SOTE; but, Lucas' project was more unified, direct, and consistent in its execution and release. Even the PR for the 1996 project was problem-free; whereas THR has been controversial, to say the least.
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 "There's not enough conversation between the diverse groups of creatives involved in this venture; which, on occasion, has led to a lack of overall narrative and tonal cohesion."
This is exactly the issue, and to date it's been the only multimedia project that Disney has really done since attaining the IP. For all the criticism George gets, one positive is his ability to focus on a project and as a result there was some quality control as Lucas had direct control to approve or disapprove of all elements of the expanded universe. Disney just seems to treat every project like a free for all with the only objective being to pump out content for consumers regardless of quality control.
Great video! This just proves even more the EU was always canon.
Sure was and is
Only the bits George liked were considered to be part of his personal canon not the entire EU.
If George had made the sequels himself, he would have ignored most if not all of the post-ROTJ EU.
@@Tuskin38 To an extent this is true
@@Tuskin38 Yeah and I don't blame him. My issue is that Disney wiped out the entire EU. Even the stuff that wouldn't have contradicted them at all. It was lazy, but exactly what I'd expect a bunch of MBA suits to do.
And, THAT is why I consider The SW Radio Dramas and SOTE to be canon, like George Lucas intended it all to be. I'm still pissed that Kennedy and her Story Group decided to de-canonize both works.
Me too
@@starwarsfananimations My hope is that, the rumored Animated series from Lucas and Filoni, along w/ the rest of the stories in, The Mandoverse bring Dash Rendar, Savan, Guri, the human replica/clone of Stanton Rendar, Black Sun syndicate, and, The Outrider (even though Filoni was able to bring it back in, SW: Rebels, it wasn't owned by Rendar...maybe that one can be The Outrider II) back where they all belong. After all, Lucas' plans for the aftermath of The OT involved major conflicts within The Outer Rim, causing problems and hard decisions for The New Republic. I'd love for, Skeleton Crew to touch on some of these concepts and characters. I still consider Luke's yellow lightsaber's origins to be Steve Perry's rendering...not the Disney version. My hope is that, sometime in The Mando movies, Luke gifts that lightsaber to Jacen Syndulla, even if he won't end up a Jedi, but a Force-user.
I do too, and I love how the radio dramatization of ROTJ includes a cameo from Mara Jade in her disguise as the dancer Arica in Jabba's palace!
@@Omhikmat love that too!
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 ...But not in the Dinsey reboot. Too many contradictions. You just have to accept that the EU is also CANON but not the same as Mickey's.
I swear, it’s not difficult! Especially knowing what Disney's so-called "canon" looks like...
As far as I'm concerned, it's as canon as the OT.
Right on!
There's also mon mothma saying bothans died trying to retrieve the death star 2 plans
@@abstraction6212 that’s a pretty strong connection! One of my favorite parts of SOTE! Though that was more SOTE trying to connect to ROTJ than the other way around. All 6 references I discuss here were made after SOTE released
@@starwarsfananimations nice. Also i came to your discord server and its great.
That was the opposite. SOTE came after ROTJ and showed us what Mon Mothma was referring to
Glad to see you there!
You mean Mon Mothma's boyfriend, Manuel "Manny" Both-Hanz?
They put too much effort into it for it to not be canon
It was such a big project that Lucas was so deeply involved in! The perfect way to bridge ESB and ROTJ, and… Expand the Universe!
@@starwarsfananimations Disney has completely destroyed this franchise beyond belief
@@SocksFCGameArchives At least Disney isn't ruining the Expanded Universe with their woke garbage and pandering nonsense.
@@Bauglir100 that's the best thing about them to be honest. Cool Oblivion pfp, that's one of my favourite games
@@SocksFCGameArchives Same for me.
@0:47 that is from the PC version of SotE, not a shot George added to the movies.
The shot of the Outrider leaving Hoth wasn’t in the movies, it’s just a fuller shot of the Outrider from the game to show what it looked like in the game. The shot of the Outrider flying over Mos Eisley is what I was talking about at 0:47
@@starwarsfananimations I see. My mistake
So that means Lucas's own movies canonize the EU despite Disney claiming it isn't canon.
Sort of yes
Absolutely
Disney has no cred, the EU forever!
@@starwarsfananimations you just earned my sub
@@Empty00Eyes It’s an honor
I always knew the EU was canon. I’m so tired of Disney Star Wars fans saying he never canonized or approved the EU. What a steaming load of poodoo. If these were included in the Special Editions, it means they’re CANON! It means Jake Skywalker and Reylo are now Legends, along with most of Disney’s own canon. 😂
I prefer to call the Disney stuff “Myths” lol
The EU will always be the principal canon!
@@starwarsfananimations
Agreed.
Well many of the Sequel Trilogy characters actually do technically exist in the Legends/EU continuity. Star Tours: The Adventures Continue is a Legends ride that canonically takes place in 1 BBY, but Disney later updated it to include characters and locations from the Sequel Trilogy and the Disney Plus shows like The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Andor. Of course, none of the stuff they did in the actual Sequel Trilogy matters. Just what we see on the ride. And it also means Lando now has a father, uncle, grandfather, or some other unspecified older male relative that shares the same name and looks just like him aside from being older.
Someone should make a video discussing this. I think it'd make for a great story to imagine how factions like the First Order and Resistance would operate during the Galactic Civil War while the Rebels and Empire are doing their own thing.
@@Bauglir100
Are you listening to yourself? The sequel trilogy IS NOT the EU. The EU is the REAL sequel trilogy. It started with Anakin and ended with Cade. Nuff said.
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I didn't say the Sequel Trilogy was part of the EU. I never implied it. I'm saying Disney accidentally slipped in a bunch of their "Canon" characters into the old Legends continuity by updating a Legends ride (it debuted in 2011, so it's definitely not Disney Canon) to include content from their "Canon". Just like how Star Wars: The Old Republic is still getting updated even after Disney shut down the EU without it being canonized.
If Disney can pick and choose Legends stuff and make it canon in a new context, then the reverse should be true too. So we have two versions of characters like Cassian Andor and Rey: The original ones that originated in Disney's "Canon" movies and shows, and the Legends/Expanded Universe versions that debuted in the recent updates made to Star Tours: The Adventures Continue. And since they've all been moved to 1 BBY instead of whenever they originally existed, they will end up living totally different lives than the ones they had in Disney Canon.
If any nerds ask me why star wars is failing. Lucas film has not given enough ❤ to either the old Republic or clone commandos or this storyline 😂❤
This 👆
This really is just more evidence that debunks the theory that George Lucas didn't like the EU or didn't may any mind to it. Which was already false to begin with anyway since some people forget that he created the Force Unleashed, and even highly approved of the KOTOR games, so there's no doubt he wanted to certify a lot of the good EU stuff.
Exactly!
According to LucasFilm illustrator Doug Chiang who helped design it, the YT-2400 was designed for the special editions first, and then worked with the SOTE team to use it there for the Outrider.
Yes SOTE released a year before, but special editions were in production for a while.
That’s actually really cool! Still an amazing collaboration between Lucas’ movies and the EU!
Yeah this guy is clueless
Actually, the YT-2400 was designed for Shadows of the Empire first, rather than the other way around. Doug Chiang designed the Outrider along with the Virago and the IG-2000 ships for the game. You can read about the development process and see the designs in the 1996 book "Secrets of Shadows of the Empire." LucasArts developer Jon Knoles also confirmed it was designed for the game first; ILM actually asked if they could use LucasArts' hi-resolution model of the Outrider that Knoles had developed as a reference, along with an Imperial landing craft, to put into the Special Edition. You can listen to Knoles tell the in-depth development history in his appearance on the Force Material podcast.
@@holonetwork excellent details!
In 1996, Lucasfilm, when headed by George Lucas, told us that the events, characters, ships, etc. of Shadows of the Empire were canon. Post 2012, Lucasfilm, no longer headed by George Lucas, tells us that the events, and many of the characters are not canon. I am going with what George and company said.
I’m going with the latter as well!
@@starwarsfananimations do you mean former? The George Lucas ran company would be former in this list.
@@Raii_Chu yes that’s what I meant lol. EU all the way!
& this is my Star Wars Legends is cannon to me & NOT Disney Star Wars
Amen, the EU is supreme!
I don't quite understand what the last one has to do with SOTE.
It references stuff that happened in Shadows of the Empire.
@@Bauglir100 oh I see, thank you. I haven't read the novel yet.
C-3PO flies the Falcon in SOTE and in the ROTJ radio drama Han chastised Lando for allowing him to do so
Feels like Lucas only cared about continuity with the EU when it made him money to make Phantom Menace.
@@starwars.legends.illustrated He cared above it a good deal more than that I’d wager, but he certainly had more time to oversee stuff in the Bantam and early Dark Horse era before he started working on the prequels
George Lucas was far more lenient and generous with the Star Wars license than Disney is.
Before finalizing his plans for the Phantom Menace and the PT, George Lucas had serious intent to adapt either Shadows of the Empire or another Star Wars novel called Splinter of the Mind's Eye into a movie. I think there was also supposed to be a TV series. So Shadow's of the Empire is about as George Lucas canon as you can get. Such a shame Disney ignores all of the cool EU material and takes the trash instead. I wonder if they really do have a grudge against Lucas...
In the late 90s, Lucasfilm has serious plans to adapt Young Jedi Knights into an animated TV show! It ended up not happening though because Lucasfilm didn’t want to do any new movies or shows until after the prequels came out, and by then, Lucas was more interested in doing Clone Wars and Underworld
The thing about the EU, as much as I do remember it fondly, is that it did end up kind of a mess. For example, I can remember no less than four different versions of the mission to steal the Death Star plans, on four different planets, with four different characters. There was really no cohesion and to be blunt, a lot of uncreative nonsense. Every story that's not about Luke, Leia and Han has them show up at some point anyway. Every story has a main character who turns out to be a Jedi. Every new spaceship is just an old spaceship with a very simple modification to make it easier to portray in text form. ("It's an Imperial Star Destroyer, but... red!") And don't get me started on the like three different plot arcs that are just "What if a new bad guy shows up and completely destroys literally everything in the galaxy!"
Obviously that's not the case for all of the EU, but it was a major, and growing, issue. And as good as some of the books were, like Heir to the Empire, they wouldn't translate well into visual media. SOTE was kinda made to fit, and it did a really good job, put a lot of work into it. Between these references, and those in Clone Wars, I don't mind considering it still canon. Actually same deal for the Republic Commando series. But most of the rest of it... I mean, I was content to leave behind "Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu", except I think it was referenced in the Solo movie... :/
Who asked?
Can’t say I agree with your assessment…
@@TheOtherGuys2 I just finished the Lando books and would love to make them into a series.
Awesome video. Sadly after the prequels, instead of acknowledging the EU, like he did there, he ended up backstabbing the EU creatives by wanting to remake the CW event with Filoni. Unforgivable.
Yeah sadly it became less a priority over time
@@starwarsfananimations And many say that it was Disney who hurt the EU. They have, but they didn't start the process, it was Lucas himself. Again, unforgivable. I respect him as a creative, but his mistakes are what let to the franchise's current status.
George never considered all of the the EU canon. Only the bits and pieces he plucked from it.
@@Tuskin38 Do some research, that argument was lost long ago.
@@asantiago704 Yeah, I did, it proves he didn't care about most of the EU as it wasn't his story.
If George had made the sequels himself, he would have ignored most if not all of the post-ROTJ EU.
What a misleading crappy video. Xizor was NEVER in episode 1. Did you watch it at all? Were cotton tips in the movie, too? Its only the outrider and the droid. Everything else is bs. Radio show doesn't mean movies
I didn’t say he was, I said they put a micro machines toy of him on the miniature set (in 3 different places) and that the idea of him being there was a cool thought. Sure you can’t see him but the people working on TPM put in enough effort to include him in the crowd which is significant.
Swoops and Sentinels appeared in SOTE before ANH: SE. where’s the lie?
I also explained that the radio drama falls under the purview of George Lucas and the fact that SOTE was referenced in it is significant.
The point of the video is to show evidence that George Lucas supervised and/or permitted 6 solid ties to SOTE throughout HIS Star Wars stories. If you don’t find it cool, I don’t know what to tell you…
@starwarsfananimations 😆 🤣 😂 there were tons of other little figures in the podrace model. Not just him. But nice try. Btw i still have my SOTE shirt from dark horse and lucasfilm they gave me at comic con from like 94. I played the game and still have an N64 podrscer in the box and have all the books. This is reaching. I give u there were 2 references. The outrider being the only one that mattered. And u could barely make it out. It was CGI. Never a real model in the movie
@@JedimillerReturns What does the Outrider being CGI have to do with anything? It doesn't matter how they did it as long as they included it at all. Otherwise none of the other stuff they added in the Special Editions would "count" either. They could've just as easily _not_ put the Outrider in there.
If you think Xizor being at the Boonta Eve is cannon, then you need to accept that an entire audience made of Q-Tips is cannon too...
It honestly depends on whether or not the Xizor figure actually made it into any of the shots in the finished film. The Q-Tips definitely did not.
You must be fun at parties
That "novel" was absolute trash! As we're the follow up novels. Looking back it seems Disney was being channeled through the books.
I don’t know where you get your delusions laserbrain