I recently tested positive for t-cell antibodies and spike protein antibodies. I was infected back in November 2020 with a mild case. This should count for something. I should be treated the same as a vaccinated person.
You are way underestimating the resentment that mandates are generating. Forcing people to do something they fear or loose their careers over is no small thing.
Especially when, as noted, there are lots of people out there who lead sedentary lives, are obese, possibly vape, and are very proud they are on "Team Vax" and let everyone know it. And then you might have a someone else, who teaches yoga (aquasize, jazzersize, etc), follows the DASH diet and has given up added sugars, and is maybe at the low end of "normal BMI." And now that person gets dismissed from the primary care physician's practice because s/he is not vaccinated. That is wrong.
Even though it has been completely ignored by the MSM, there have been large demonstrations in Europe and parts of Canada (Quebec mostly where the government is hesitant to take its boots of its citizens necks).
@@katygroening1692 Katy, sadly the "Team Vax" person is more often a person who belongs to your second more healthy lifestyle group - and I think it is a gross generalization to state that they want to "let everyone know about it". Sure there are some, but also I seem to be hearing a very loud anti-vax message from proponents of that view. There is very persuasive evidence showing that the sedentary lifestyles, obesity etc. of people are more likely have a worse medical outcomes than of those who are healthier. Now with Delta there has been a game change where people who present as "healthy" are also getting badly affected by the disease - some with very bad outcomes. But good evidence shows that those who are fully vaccinated in both groups, if diagnosed with a breakthrough infection, have a roughly 95% chance of not requiring hospitalization. Respectfully, to say otherwise is wrong.
@@michaeltrumper Yep. There have been huge demonstrations and it seems an almost worldwide black out on reporting them. The manipulation of information has always been a tool to manipulate people but it seems to have reached a new level during Covid. I no longer engage in any MSM.
@@katygroening1692 I support vaccine mandates, but I agree with you that this physician is wrong. NO ONE should be denied health care, regardless of what we moralistic people think about their "lifestyle." I would hope this doctor wouldn't refuse to provide care to a smoker, to a person with an unhealthy diet, to a biker who wasn't wearing a helmet before the accident, etc. etc. etc. This physician is wrong in every way, in my opinion.
I really liked this podcast until the discussion on the vaccine mandates, that said I still hit the like button and I’m not going to be immature about it. As you both said many times, the shots turn the infection into a common cold, if a grown adult chooses to take the risk of severe disease, that’s on them. (If you want to ride her bike without a helmet, no one is going to stop you.) I’m one of the 39+ million who’s already dealt with the infection first hand, why do we have to be limited in what we can or can’t do?
Good to see you here! Couldn't agree more. Had it... In the words of the good doctor in a recent video... That has to count for something. You have given me great insight into getting healthy so my and my families immune systems are strong. Thanks!
And that adult who chooses to refuse a proven safe and effective vaccine should have to sign a waiver that they give up all rights to medical care if they come down with Covid unless that are able to pay cash in advance for said medical care. Neither their health insurance, the government, nor the hospital should be on the hook for the costs.
@terje … and if you do get the jab … and get vaccine injury , can someone sue and be accountable for the damage ? Ooh wait , their hands are clean … multi million dollar pharma companies are not responsible
@@kathybrady4033, High Intensity Health had Covid. That says something about his brain. I’m still up in the air about whether these deficits are caused by the virus, or it’s a preexisting condition. Alarming Study Finds Cognitive Deficits in Those Who Had Even Mild COVID Cases ruclips.net/video/5aAbvSoBVpE/видео.html
Regarding this "96% of physicians..," it's important to clarify that 96% of 301 physicians who responded to an AMA survey reported being fully vaccinated; on the other hand, only 42% of 711 physicians who responded an AAPS survey reported being vaccinated. The true percentage likely lies somewhere in between, but 96% and 42% likely represent two ends of an incredibly biased spectrum.
I no longer believe in these data ,all these data and messaging are jacked up to make people think everyone else is buying in to it. States in India did much better with ( or because?)5% vaccination rate with delta variant...like common cold once they stop paying attention to false covid diagnosis and treated as usual seasonal viral stuff . false diagnosis and wrong/no treatment killed many before they realize that pcr tests are useless in for diagnosis of any disease.
The AMA is politically biased? Or are you claiming the middle is one side of a political dichotomy be cause it is to the left of a very right leaning organization? Nice Overton window you got there.
Excellent point. Biased data solicitation and response, in both cases. You are correct, the truth lies somewhere in between. Most of the studies that are publicized are publicized only to support a perspective, not because they are quality studies. Some exceptions, such as Israel. I don't believe any CDC published propaganda. Sorry, they drove me to it.
@@DahVoozel “right leaning”? What’s the basis for this objective claim? Your comment is an example of someone who skews the context of an argument to recreate the narrative.
“Delta is going to cause immunity whether you get vaccinated or not” yet she supports vaccine mandates now. Just because there is “legal precedent” does not mean that something is litigiously appropriate. In America Slavery was legal, internment camps were legal, segregation was legal. I like ZDOGG’s approach of being open and honest and messaging appropriately. If someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine they don’t have to and they take that risk upon themselves. That’s it. End of argument. There is no reason for vaccine or immunity mandates if most people are vaccinated and are safe from severe illness. “They are happy in Europe” no they are not. There are millions of people protesting against mandates and passports every day. She needs to become more educated on how normal people think. Thank you for sharing her sheltered opinion.
This interview was all about convincing people to get vaccinated. The data presented is outdated and incomplete. They talked about Isreal but not the whole story. They said the quiet part out loud with that statement about how Delta is going to cause immunity whether you are vaccinated or not. YES because the gene therapy "vaccine" caused pressure to be applied on the virus and its reproduction forcing it to mutate much faster that it would have without the altered spike protein. The bottom line is it isn't working anymore, you will still get sick. As sick? Who knows because SARS Covi-2 affects everyone differently and if you catch the variants they are even less lethal than the Alpha which was survivable by 98 percent the world over. The thing that really makes me upset that there are and were therapeutics that were swept under the rug in exchange for these gene therapies. How many thousands of people did they kill by not having access to simple and inexpensive drugs and treatments while promoting this expensive and now rapidly ineffective vaccine tech?
She was so clearly cherry picking data. If you are talking about vaccinations and making it mandatory to get back to normal life, how can you ignore the case of Sweden that had no lockdowns, vaccination passports, less than 60% fully vaccinated people and yet has zero deaths to report most days and no restrictions on its citizensy
" . . . If someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine they don’t have to and they take that risk upon themselves. That’s it. End of argument." Well, no. It's not. They spread that risk to everyone they come in contact with, especially people who are immunocompromised (whether vaccinated or not), children, and others who can't be vaccinated.
@@jazzmanchgo except that’s not true. Look at the new data of “breakthrough cases” I’m the US. If someone is unvaccinated they don’t spread the virus at a statistically significant amount compared to vaccinated. Read the meta analyses and decide for yourself.
Ivermectin. The worse thing authorities did was to restrict access to it. They should have said there is no definitive results that it works but allowed doctors to prescribe it if they wanted. Better for a doctor to prescribed in safe dosages.
I don't have anything against people who take ivermectin, but you should also get the vaccine. The reason is to prevent you from going to the hospital. You being admitted to the hospital for COVID-19 hurts other people who need to go to the hospital for other reasons
@@jonalderson5571 I should have added that about vaccines. But easier to convince people to get vaccinated if you don't berate them about ivermectin. Prohibition never works. Imagine if ivermectin only worked 10% of the time. That's 60k less deaths in USA. I suppose we will get definitives answers one day.
@@rjbiker66 I honestly don't know why some people are so triggered by ivermectin. It's basically a placebo which makes some people feel better, so why get mad at that? Ironically the reaction to ivermectin seems to make people want to take it even more. As long as they also get the vaccine, i don't care
@@animeshock2006 only a very small number of people. It's much more important to get people vaccinated than to screech at the 0.0000001% of people dying from ivermectin
What do you expect? During the 1918 pandemic, public health authorities failed in every aspect. Rather than acknowledging their mistakes, they argued that the reason they failed was because there was no central federal agency running the show. Then those failed health authorities formed the CDC.
@@ShadowRaven66669 30 years later? More likely in response to polio, measles, tb, whooping cough, dysentery, and, yes, malaria. How much do we worry about those now?
The honor system is fine by me. I am vaccinated. If you choose not to be responsible, wash your hands, social distance, avoid crowds, stay home when you're sick, you can die by yourself, just try not to take any other people with you.
Still with the blaming of the unvaccinated. The fact remains that the large majority of people who catch any variant don’t get that sick AND they end up with natural immunity.
@@animeshock2006 I’m not saying that it’s not a fact. I’m saying that it is not a huge amount of people. Instead of putting out fearful percentages, why don’t you give the actual numbers.
@@Wondwind I can give you those numbers. The Associated Press's analysis of government data from May of 2021 shows that vaccinated individuals make up only 1.1% of COVID hospitalizations. In May, of 18,000 COVID deaths, we know that only 150 of them were in vaccinated individuals. That's about 0.8%. Ask any nurse if the majority of their COVID admits are unvaccinated, guarantee you they'll say yes. All you have to do is Google unvaccinated vs vaccinated COVID deaths, and you'll receive tons of data on it. It is the fault of the unvaccinated, actually. I'm putting the blame squarely on them. They made the very stupid choice to not get vaccinated. Now they're bogging down our healthcare system. Every day, I read post after post after post on a nursing messaging board about their frustration with their idiotic unvaccinated patients who are overloading an already strained healthcare system. I don't give a shit if a lot of them end up with natural immunity. The ones that don't are already too much of a burden on the hospitals in this country, and that's due to their own selfishness and stupidity. You don't have a right to talk about who's to blame if you're not part of the healthcare system who has to deal with the fallout. And where are your numbers? You were very quick to call out another commenter's "fearful percentages" while providing fuck all to support your own generalizations. Let me guess. Don't have any? The government's covering things up? C'mon, let's see if you can find a pathetic enough excuse I haven't heard before. It doesn't matter to me that not everyone who catches COVID will die to it. What matters is that of the people who do die, it is absolutely preventable. Uneducated people like you who stir the pot are to blame. Convince me that relying on solely natural immunity is better than getting the jab AND using your natural immunity. Let's add to that the fact that many of the numbers we have so far are from the primary waves and variants of COVID, the most forgiving and docile ones. Delta and whatever other nasty variants it might mutate into because of the idiotic unvaccinated individuals letting it run rampant are known to be more vicious. Never has the divide between the unvaccinated and vaccinated been so clear. If you caught it the first time and survived, cool. You have a much better chance of surviving Delta if you get it. But you should absolutely still be getting vaccinated. Because your dumbass little friends who never caught COVID will look at you and say, "Well he wasn't vaccinated the first time either, and he's fine now!" Yeah, that's because you were fighting a much more mild strain of it. Are the vaccines the perfect counter to Delta and future variants? No, absolutely not, but they're a hell of a lot safer than risking death by gaining natural immunity the original way. Early preliminary research is already showing that booster shots are helping even with the newer variants. As I said earlier, only 0.8% of the people dying to COVID now are vaccinated. That's from May, when Delta was first emerging.
@@anillustration5059 That 18,000 number is not a big one. I don’t care if they were vaccinated or not. The vast majority of people who catch the virus WILL NOT GET MORE THAN A COLD much less die.
What we need is a Time machine to go back to Feb 2020 and replace Walensky and Fauci with Zdogg and Gandhi. We'd be in a much better place today. Thanks for your insight folks!
Yeah everyone get covid.... Lets see if the get naturally immunity.... Oh wait natural immunity is useless if your dead or on immune supressors for life because you had to get a double lung tranplants due to covid ravaging ur lungs
I just love this woman so much ❤️ I wish she became the head of the CDC. Honest, science-based, neutral, compassionate, not afraid to change her mind when things are changing, very knowledgeable, very keen to any new developments in medicine as well as the world, hardworking and always studying which means she doesn’t cut the corner, respectful, fair, and most of all, she is a solid decent true human being with a big ❤️ heart ❤️ She takes her duties very seriously… and on top of all that, she is really charming and lots of fun!! I love her 😍 What a wonderful doctor. What a beautiful person 💜 Thank you Dr. Z for having her on your channel! Peace ✌️
The CDC thinks everyone is to stupid to understand information. If they would just tell the truth and give consistent information things would be a bit smoother. In my opinion.
@UC_sZOTUaPCWeQD6887w0WxQ They actually are It's not the government's job to make sure I or anyone else stays healthy or safe. Never has been never will be that's the problem they need to back up their censorship and shutting down any discussion that didn't fit their narrative is the major problem in those that aren't getting the vaccine We have a first amendment here in this country You might not like what someone has to say but that is their right or at least it used to be
@@TheRealSaintNickNorthside Only from the perspective of a person wanting everyone to be vaccinated for everything. When you step back and realize that isn't an objective good you can start realized that these "stupid people" aren't stupid, they're just making value judgements different than you. The thing is when you fear monger for 2 years and hype up the case numbers and say OH SHIT GUYS THIS IS REAL WE'RE FUCKED and people buy it for a bit... but then actually get around to looking and discover oh 99% of people survive, oh 50% of people have zero symptoms, oh half the people that die have fucking pneumonia... it starts to look like that organization is no better than something like brietbart or fox news in terms of credibility. If you told people hey, uh, there's a pretty bad virus going around, 99.9% chance it won't kill you if you're healthy and under 50, but if you're old or particularly unhealthy you might be looking at a 3-5% chance to die they might be more keen to listen, because you're not telling a bold faced lie to their faces and trying to capitalize on fear.
@@TheInfectous they already made trillions from fear and unless everyone stands against mandates it's gonna get worse. Pfizer just made an antiviral pill. fine on it's own but you watch. Bet you they're going to try to make everyone down to little kids take it whether they need it or not. We don't even have 3 to 5 year side effects for the other yet. Yes people are dumb in large groups, hence why I tell people gtfo Twitter or at least turn off notifications, and definitely no socials before bed. the individual's pretty smart most times. I know how to read charts too, I'm just a lot slower at it than someone like Dr. Z or Dr. Monica. ( whom I still love to pieces ) No on mandating.
@@DahVoozel Yes! Trump is the one that caused the vaccines to be available. Not Biden. Not Harris. If it were up to them, they would still be arguing about what the vaccine should look like.
Dr. Ghandi is an awesome and appealing communicator, in addition to being a very competent academic. I remember her compelling studies on masking early in the pandemic, and how convincing her research-based message was.
I was on board and in sync with the conversation until she shifted into vaccine mandates. That is the path to losing the trust of our patients, and displays the incredible arrogance the medical 'community' has developed towards their patients as a whole. Encourage, educate, and then respect your patients choice. If you allow yourself to walk past that gate, you are leaving your medical ethics behind (regardless of the emotionally-charged justification can often follow). It is a failure of public health to have to mandate any intervention, and it will cause more harm in the long term. Especially since we have natural immunity to consider, rapid antigen testing (for vaxxed and un-vaxxed), mask use, etc..
There is a doctor in Florida who came out in the media saying she would no longer see pts that are unvaccinated. For all the reasons you mentioned, I agree with you completely, and physicians that do what this Florida doc is doing, is the exact opposite of what healthcare providers should be doing. That is the wrong way to build public trust, especially during a time when public trust in healthcare has already been so badly damaged.
@@jennh2096 The problem is that the huge amount of unvaxxed make it dangerous for everyone as a person in a car crash cant get treated. One could retrospectively think about how earlier messaging could be done, but it's at a point where the patience with the unvaxxed is exhausted and one must force vaccination for the good of everyone now :(
There have been education outreach for quite some time, but the amount of antivax propaganda on Facebook defeats it (as these people are listening to randos on Facebook instead of the experts) and the results are devastating :(
I agree. Unvaccinated, healthy, fit, I wear a mask religiously, never been sick since pandemic, never had COVID. As an essential federal contractor, I am now being forced to get the vaccine or lose my job. I did EVERYTHING I was supposed to do in the name of national security (probably more than most vaccinated people who will not wear a mask), yet I am being spit in the face by the US government for my service and categorized as an unvaccinated, dangerous American. The message failure and distrust make me even more distrustful of this Biden administration and this country. They didn’t win my trust, they just threatened my livelihood with bullying and fear. I have no respect anymore for this government or the healthcare industry.
Eh -- We already have mandatory vaccines for kids to get into school; the military enforces vaccine mandates; we have to get certain vaccines in order to travel to some countries . . . I don't have any problem with enforcing mandates for the sake of the common good. No different from drunk driving laws or speeding laws.
This converstation has really helped me today. I was so defeated with the pandemic, so lonely, in all honesty, today was a little crying breakdown day, because I am so tired of the fighting, the loneliness, the fear, the never-ending confusing messaging and the lack of hope. And now I feel so optimistic about the vaccinations and so much more optimistic about the future too!!! I feel like I can breath again and move on with my day and get things done. THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH THE TWO OF YOU. Thank you.
He has contracted Delta, despite using ivermectin and recovered and has not gotten (refused to get?) vaccinated. Also, Dr. Paul Marik was vaccinated as he was in the higher risk group and it was available to him as a practicing health care worker, but although he doesn't regret getting it, he has been equivocal about getting vaccinated if he had to do it all over again, "knowing" what he knows now. That's hardly a ringing endorsement of getting vaccinated, even for the vulnerable. Also Dr. Kory has stated that the I-MASK+ protocol wasn't working well at all against Delta, with patients crashing into ICUs and the FLLCC were "demoralized and frightened" (exact words used). One of the founding doctors in the FLLCC group has left the organization because of the poor, almost anti-health messaging that seems to be condoned by the organization by their legion of antivaxx followers, and none of the FLLCC members have been very visible/confident lately on various social media...
riveting discussion and presentation. I completely agree as a physician with your various points made in this video. I have literally cringed over and over again at the messaging I have heard from the PH "Experts" and the absolute headlong rush to mandates from the outset......why? Well, maybe now we can reconsider but, we have to message that we trust our patients and families and respect their fears, concerns, and times of reluctance and address them in with honesty and be respectful of the trust they place in us.
I wonder what the New England states (Maine, Vermont, NH) did right to get their citizens vaccinated? Maybe their population is just better educated and has more common sense.
Probably because of the fact it infects other people and even healthy people have died, yet there's still people who don't care enough to even wear a mask. Ordinary people prove themselves to be very untrustworthy, even in Singapore where I live - the most susceptible old people are just sitting around unmasked and chatting at crowded food spots half the time so cases have been going up recently even with a mandate. Like, they KNOW it's bad, but they can't help themselves - people would only be in "danger" mode for so long. If the pandemic's taught me anything, is that human brains can't handle longevity of dangerous situations. "It looks safe, must be safe, everyone's doing it! Oh let's go out to a concert just once, let's talk to the neighbour unmasked for 30minutes just once, now I'm gasping for air in the ICU regretting my actions, I knew I shouldn't have done it", I've already seen cases like that. If everyone's living in a city that is highly connected to other people, like there's 5 laundromats for 6 million people and everyone goes there, and everyone shops at central malls or go to a central venue for everything, and there unvaccinated people live there and choose not to get vaccinated even after years.... they are not respecting their neighbours, their colleagues, other sick people who need the hospital resources and the essential workers who're affected by their choice. A lot of people have already been killed by the unvaccinated people's actions, people have lost their mothers, their fathers, their father in law, sometimes their entire family at once; shouldn't that make it necessary for a mandate BEFORE any more lives are lost? Disabled people's lives are clearly not important to many self-absorbed people, that old lady down the street's not important to many self-absorbed people, why would spending hours talking to them telling them to inconvenience themselves for the disabled be any help? How is spreading covid to the weak and susceptible different from involuntary manslaughter?
@@MNP208 Look back to the 1st wave of the pandemic. Who got hit by C19-Alpha first? The cities with the highest amounts of passenger air travel. The areas with the highest amounts of international travel also had the highest # of cases of C19-Alpha, and subsequently now have the highest C19-vaccination rates. The highest total air passenger traffic pre-C19 (2019 numbers, (I used Wikipedia's #s): while Chicago OHare & Atlanta individually have more traffic, once you add up all three major airports that serve NYC (JFK, LaGuardia, & Newark), you'll see they're usually the king of passenger travel. But in 2019, once NYC announced their stay-at-home orders, everyone who could fled to their vacation homes in New England & Northeast PA - and in many cases, brought the virus with them. (BTW, the same correlation between busy airports/C19-Alpha/C19-vaccinations apply to DC - (served by Dulles, Reagan, & BWI) and to the Dallas-Arlington-Fort Worth Metroplex, served by DFW & Love Field).
You were the deciding factor for my choice to get the vaccine. You admitted some errors in your analysis from spring 2020, giving you more credibility. Your rational discussion of why someone with my profile should take it, guided me to actually getting it done. Thank you.
On behalf of everyone, I thank you! My unvaccinated brother has been in the hospital almost 3 weeks on heavy oxygen, hoping to be released tomorrow but it will be to rehab for possibly a few weeks, and will most likely be on oxygen when he goes home. He's lucky to be alive. 58, overweight but otherwise healthy.
@@nancyd.6191 my heart breaks when i hear someone gets covid with longterm issues when two shot could have prevented that I still believe in choice but at tge same time i wish more were vaccinated......❤ for you and your brother
There is a group of people that I still don’t hear being talked about. That’s the people that have been exposed or have gotten COVID-19 but either were a symptomatic or just didn’t get sick. My husband got COVID and we didn’t not isolate from each other while he was sick. I know for 100% that I was exposed, but I never got sick or at least never felt sick. My question is, if my immune system is fighting this virus on it’s own without a vaccine, why do I need a vaccine? I also don’t get sick very easy with a cold or the flu. There are other people that I know who got the virus but said that it wasn’t any worse than a mild cold. What about these people, who apparently have a great immune system and ha e already faced the virus without any issues, do they need a vaccine? I would view it like the flu shot, it’s optional for those that feel like they need it.
They discuss this a bit between the 26 and 28 minute marks. They still recommend at least one dose of vaccine for those who’ve been mildly infected to cement that memory b-cell immune response.
I, too, never get sick (75 yr old) and was exposed to Covid through constant contact to someone close to me-no quarantine. I did get the vaccine and had absolutely no reaction to either shot-no sore arm, not one symptom. So, it was a very easy experience even though I would not have gotten the shots unless I had been required to do it.
I do like that when they talk about people who have gotten COVID-19, that they suggest that they get one shot but aren’t telling that it’s a have to. They are at least acknowledging that there is natural immunity. What I don’t like is still the narrative of, “If you haven’t gotten COVID-19 and are unvaccinated, you WILL get it and get seriously ill.”. In my case, I can only assume that I got it or that my body’s immune system was good enough to protect me from it. Then of course how they are wanting to mandate the vaccine (and are in some cases). My whole thing, for me personally, is why do I “need” something that I don’t need? Ya know? I don’t feel like I have gotten a straight answer from anyone on that yet.
@@carolynchandler9258 the difficult thing is trying to predict who will, or wont, become severely ill if they get covid. There are a lot of things that increase risk of severe disease, such as age, underlying conditions, etc, but there are also young, seemingly healthy individuals that have ended up in ICU and/or died, without having any risk factors. Having no immunity, whether via vaccine or infection, does not guarantee you will become severely ill, but it is impossible to know if you will be one of those unlucky people. Regardless, I still believe people should be allowed to make their own risk assessment and decision whether or not to be vaccinated. Personal choices surrounding healthcare decisions must be protected, and unvaccinated people are really not posing a risk to those that are vaccinated or have immunity from previous infection. The fact that the media and public health "experts" continue to push this false narrative is even more detrimental to their efforts to convince people to get vaccinated.
@@jennh2096 Yes, exactly!! That's my whole concern, is the mandating of vaccines. I am not apposed to vaccines at all and I wouldn't be concerned about getting a vaccine IF I needed it. If I hadn't had an obvious interaction with the virus and learned that my immune system is healthy enough to face it, then I would probably get the vaccine. I think of the phrase, "Why fix something that aint broke". I know what my reaction to the virus is. It's the same way that I see the flu shot. Some people get it every year to help them not get the flu or to lessen symptoms and some don't. I personally don't, because I have only gotten the flu twice in my whole life and that was a long time ago. I don't NEED the flu shot. I think we have just made a mess out of this whole thing.
Dr. Gandhi is by far my most favorite doctor I follow on Twitter. She has helped me through all of the various stages of this pandemic. Thank you Dr. Gandhi!!
Yes I'm about to have an aneurysm if my company requires me to get a third shot when I already considered quitting because of the first two to begin with. I'm 29 with a decent immune system.
I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Ghandi on the importance of messaging! Before becoming a lawyer, I worked as a public relations specialist for hospitals. It was so important to help medical professionals understand how best to communicate with the general public in a way that everyone can get. Both Dr. ZDogg and Dr. Ghandi are great at this! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Can you both explain to me, why after every news broadcast, every 4 hours, with stress inducing death graphs, never had a 10sec bit, saying, keep your spirits up, your vit D&C, zinc levels optimal, even give free supplements. In a 'Pandemic', this would be paramount for general metabolic health?? Or am I wrong? No where in the World did this!! WHY?
Why? $$$$, POWER, MARXIST CONTROL. THAT'S WHY. Natural immunity, Hydroxy Chloroquine, IVERMECTIN, cheap, safe, would have stopped the pandemic and the current "surge". No EUA, no "vaccine", no lockdowns, no mass mail in ballots, no $$$, no power and no MARXIST mandates. There's your answer as to "why?".
Ive been on high vit d3 for over a year, plus zinc. Everyday. Should have been a loud message. Thank God for these videos otherwise i wouldnt have known dosages needed for this
@@robwr737 nothing to do with health then....and we all know it...and they wo der why people are suspect about vaccines...any who takes this money driven coerced serum need their head read in my opinion 👍
Finally, someone gets it. They acknowledge people are mad about vaccine mandates while ignoring natural immunity! I’m one of those mad people. I have natural immunity and I only wanted one vaccine. Yet my employer mandated 2 and is making me get a booster 😡😡😡😡😡
My employer is trying to mandate the booster (in CA). I’ve had covid19 firs And then 2 shots. I feel that others should get their first shot before I get my 3rd. Would like to see more around the world get their first shot, that would be the right thing. I am hoping employer will allow me to continue getting tested and NOT get the booster.
These are the people who should be speaking to America on the national stage and handling this whole deal. Thanks for sharing this great and informative conversation with us. I watched the whole video!
I'm older, born when Polio was still around in North America, and Smallpox and other vaccines were mandated vaccines in my school (1960s)- that was the price we paid for education, we took Cod liver oil pills in school because we lived in Newfoundland and needed the vitamin D, and we got our school vaccines or we didn't go to school. We had a vaccination card which was part of our school record, I still have mine because my smallpox vaccine didn't scar me. I'm vaccinated doubly for Covid, because as an immune compromised nurse, I don't want to end my life proned. But I don't want to take a dose from someone who needs it more than me. Interestingly- Pfizer made me quite sick (1st dose), Moderna didn't bother me at all. We went 7 weeks between vaccines. Mandated vaccine used to work. Now it's a political football.
I had these discussions with my parents. People really looked out for the greater good of their communities back then. It's every person for themselves today.
How about treatments as the way out? That should be the focus!!!!Too many variants obviously!!!!! A year and half and nobody can come up with a treatment to stop deaths?
That's not correct. There's been many advances. Figuring out not to aggressively ventilate and instead to use prone breathing. Other experimental antivirals haven't been great, but monoclonol antibodies are good, and certain steroids. So several key advices in treatment. But I do agree we should be spending billions on treatments at this point.
Yay! My sister finally got her first shot last week after we saw our unvaccinated brother almost die in the hospital. He should be released this week after about 3 weeks, but it will be to rehab (!) and then he will be on oxygen for a while at home.
I love your videos! You're non politicized and I can tell that you're just trying to help people understand what they need to do and what's best for their health! Edit: spelling
Have dr gandi on a lot more she is smart tells the truth and I love to hear her talk she tells the truth I love u for having on on she calms me down about this subject in a way no one in dallas can she is calm and respectful and reassuring in my view we need that right now .
I label myself as vaccine hesitant & I question somet things said on here. With that being said if she was in charge & delivering the messaging we would have at least 20% higher vaccine rates.
I like the idea of the green passport. Where you show that a) you've been vaccinated or b) you've had natural immunity. I also was amazed and pleased to hear that 96% of American doctors have been vaccinated.
@Ryan Henschel So doctor Rryan, what are your thoughts and data on that? And your thoughts on nutjob candace owens. And I hate joy reid, btw. I'm a progressive, not a neo liberal.
@Ryan Henschel The conclusion that staff are quitting for vaccine mandates? Getting covid and quitting? Quitting out of sheer exhaustion? And you looked at 50 hospitals out of the 6000+ in the USA alone? And lastly, what is blood clot therapy? You need to watch more of motormouth ben shapiro. lol
I don't just like freedom I love freedom. I'm nearing my senior years. I've worked hard since I was 18 and have been a good citizen. I will not enter this stage of my life allowing others to make decisions for me. I have and will continue to decide what's best for me. I had Covid and nearly died from blood clots. I still maintain that vaccine mandates and vaccine shaming is wrong.
@@animeshock2006 which vaccine would you like to research data on ? How about the MMR. Measles/mumps/rubella. I can easily access years and years of data regarding adverse reactions. Tell me what airport, bar,grocery store,sporting event or bank required us to show proof of an MMR ? These mandates are a tool for power control. I'm not willing to play along. I'm not anti vaccine. I'm anti Tyranny.
As a health care worker. Thank you for unbiased and scientific discussions. It is amazing to here real science and real thoughts. Not politics. Thanks so much.
To Monica- Frodo will always be watching from the other side of the rainbow bridge. You gave him a wonderful life, and you both blessed each other by being together. ❤
I live in the rural south and have seen young people die because our vaccine and/or immunity rate is low. Totally scared of sending my child to school. Lost my mom to COVID. Don't want to lose my child because he is too young for the vaccine. It makes me sad how political this has gotten. You always have such a rational discussion and I wish everyone would follow the science.
I appreciated this. And Very true. I believe Dr. Z has done so much for vaccinating. I'm getting mine this week, thanks to the content he put out, and the deliverance of said content. Thanks! 💜
Transcript, audio podcast, links, and more episodes with Dr. Gandhi at zdoggmd.com/monica-gandhi-5 Topic list: 0:00 Intro 0:45 Were we wrong saying the pandemic was over back in May? 2:44 The failure of vaccine messaging: vaccine “breakthrough” PCR testing etc. 9:02 Defanging COVID by reducing severe disease 9:44 Who should really get boosters 12:30 Vaccine nationalism 13:16 In Public Health, messaging is EVERYTHING, shame doesn’t work 16:05 Immunity is the answer, Australia, the 1918 Flu pandemic, smallpox 19:22 You won’t eradicate SARS-CoV2 so how do we make it endemic 20:27 Natural and vaccine-induced immunity, vaccine spacing, B vs T cells 28:36 Israel and Immunity Passports/Vaccine Mandates 31:08 Masks vs. Vaccines 31:58 The European experience 34:29 Delta surge in the US 35:43 Vaccine mandates should take into account natural immunity 36:52 Doctors’ vaccination rate is 96% 38:31 RIP Frodo the Dog and fates worse than death 41:13 Risks to kids in schools, private vs. public schools 43:51 What happened to the San Francisco we knew? 45:21 Global vaccine equity, and pandemic politics 49:24 Therapeutics like ivermectin, monoclonals, fluvoxamine, molnupiravir and more 55:53 Mu variant
@@MK-ih6wp I only worked for 3 months during a degree course, which I couldn't complete, and I still know PCR can't be used and interpreted by unqualified people...He won't, he should, because I would be an easy target to dismiss and discredit!!
Would love to hear your thoughts on this... ruclips.net/video/feJ6DItL7Ic/видео.html I'm on the fence about getting jabbed. All the data Dave talks about can be confirmed. He's been right about most everything he's posted about in the past year. I think he makes valid points. I also think you've made some valid points. So I sit here, still undecided.
So what I’m hearing is that the PCR test with many amplification cycles can show fragments of the virus, but not definitely if I’m infected, going to get worse symptoms, or if I would transmit it to others. In other words, this is a terrible test, that we have been relying on falsely.
Yes, if you are asymptomatic who knows if you are symptomatic more likely infective Covid. But who knows. The science is always changing but like they have said the messaging needs to be better and better policies.
The PCR has been set way too high this whole time We know that we knew that a while ago then they changed it briefly and then they upped it again It's ridiculous
What’s “many” amplifications? As an infection prevention nurse, I’ve seen the difference between 40 & 60. Then the CT value would have to be evaluated if you are actually infectious. Nobody said it’s 100% fool proof. But it’s the best we can do. Rule of thumb, isolate when symptomatic. That’s when the viral load is the highest. Once you get a positive PCR, it’s too late. You’ve already infected 10 other people.
Love when you have Gandhi on! She is one of the most authentic and compassionate physicians I've ever seen, even if I disagree with her change of heart regarding vaccine/immunity passports lol. At least she overtly acknowledges immunity from natural infection! We need more discussions like this, that are from the heart and all different perspectives. So sorry for your loss of Froto 😢
I am SO grateful for these conversations. As a COVID vaccinator, I feel better prepared for the hard question that I get from clients and their parents because of these conversations. Please keep this work going! You are making such a difference!!!
Deanna,natural immunity with minerals,trace minerals,good dose of vitamins and other has been showed more effective than the jab.If you do not believe me,there has been a study released from Israel of late..Hope you are well.
@Maurice Francois Your MSM pharma funded DISINFORMATION is what should be banned (only happens in a just fact data driven governments with no conficts of interests), now GET LOST you shill! Natural immunity kicks VAXXED so called immunity butt!
The very end of this video really hit home. I used to identify as Democrat. Now, however, I distrust them all and no longer identify with either party.
Democrats actively advocate for a demonic agenda. Republicans pretend to object, but then help them formulate policy and ultimately get it passed into law. Those of us who studied the founders and the constitution are horrified by both parties.
I absolutely hate Democrats' policy on COVID and education, but I agree with them on everything else. The Republican party is a bunch of literal nutjobs
I am so not for this vaccine, but you are so right about their approach. It’s such a turn off. Kudos for having a normal conversation that acknowledges natural immunity. Well should have waited. Y’all lost me on these mandates.
I love when you have Dr Gandhi! Rational discussion is unfortunately a rarity. Thank you for continuously providing this and keeping me sane as an alt-middle in a polarized world!
Yep, sorry to hear that. The fact is the "vaccine" was not designed against variants, only one protein from the original Wuhan virus, is relatively ineffective against delta, almost useless after 5-6 months, probably useless against any new variants. Make sure you demand hydroxy chloroquine and/or Ivermectin! They work!
And when he gets better he will actually have immunity. What he received was a double dose of a narrowly focused in design gene therapy which is now being surpassed by the virus' natural response to pressure being put upon it by the gene therapy in order to reproduce. It would and could never give a person true immunity - what it did was make it difficult or in early days impossible for the virus to take hold in your body, but not fight it off.
I was just thinking this morning about Monica and hoping she’d be on again!! Both of you have kept me sane through all of the craziness on mainstream media and on social media. Thank you Zdogg and Monica for all that you do!, 🙏🙏
Ok, I love the term “alt middle!” I think of myself as a “center populist,” but “alt middle” captures our strong rejection of the ideologues on each side!
ISRAEL the country that had the MOST vaccinations - and since become the nation with the MOST infections .... which translates into Vaccinated infecting other Vaccinated people - since the vast majority of its citizens were vaccinated.
@David K Vaccinated people are still spreading the virus - the more spread - the more the disease will exist in the population. Also, ISRAEL also noticed that the Vaccine's protections were failing - allowing more people to become ill. 2 problems - Vaccinated are still contagious. The Vaccine's ability to prevent serious illness is diminishing. We are going to have to use other methods and treatments in order to get this thing under control - because when vaccines were first given - no one expected they would still be infectious,
@David K The infectious disease specialists were shocked when they started testing Vaccinated people - only to find their viral load was just as high - as it was for the unvaccinated. The CDC was so alarmed at this discovery - they delayed that announcement of this "new" information at least by one day ... it was a shock to everyone - and has COMPLETELY changed the ability to control this virus - and how we interacted with everyone around us. As mentioned on this very site, under a different topic - about how when one man realized that the ONLY person he would be helping with is new form of transmission - would be himself - as "he" likely would become less ill if infected ... and with some encouragement, he was convinced to get that vaccination anyway. Why do you think vaccinated people are told to wear a mask indoors now? This is just another loophole in the VACCINATION bullying ... while it is still helpful - our administration and all the talking heads on cable TV are not being truthful - because they now NEVER mention that the Vaccinated will still be contagious - just like ISRAEL. There is another Doc on RUclips who is very level headed, Dr. Mike Hansen - and he just had a fellow Doctor and friend on his video - who had HAD COVID, WAS FULLY VACCINATED ... very healthy, ran and trained for marathons and appeared to be under 30 - and he thought he was bullet proof. ▶▶ BUT he went to an open air concert crowded with MASKLESS people - shoulder to shoulder ..... and a few days later - he was hit with COVID a 2nd time and became very ill. If he had been older and not as fit ... he very likely would have been hospitalized. WOW ... so much for lasting immunity ... he had BOTH natural COVID antibodies, vaccine antibodies ... and only took his mask off outdoors . . . and he became seriously ill with a second round of COVID. If we want to get rid of this COVID "plague" ... everyone needs to mask up. But the CDC and other organization are now afraid too - for fear of Trump's base becoming more aggressive and hostile - because when the CDC 'surprised' EVERYONE by telling masked people they could remove their masks - it is now almost impossible to get them to put them back on. There was massive confusion about masks at the beginning - which easily could have been communicated better with just a few words .... "AT THIS TIME, we do not recommend mɑsks ... we will give you any updates or changes when we know more about how this COVID 19 is spread." WOW those few words were all their were needed to make people understand that mɑsk guidance was still be researched and evaluated - and it would not have turned something so basic .. into an issue that still damages the NIH's credibility to this day. I have OWNED 2 businesses - for over 30 years - - and we would NEVER have made an absolute, unwavering announcement like that under those circumstances - and had enough common sense to know ... if anything changed their mɑsk guidance - their credibility would be forever damaged - which it was. Same thing about the premature CDC announcement to remove masks if vaccinated - even health professionals had a shocked look on their face when they heard it - and immediately could find numerous problems and questions that were NEVER considered by the CDC - before those words were unleashed on Americans. SMH!
I love that phrase too. A year-and-a-half ago I was one of the first people I knew to be concerned about the concept of a vaccine. I didn't see how they could have come up with it I didn't see how they were going to do it given how fast coronavirus is typically mutate. Then when they said they finally got it I was distrustful because nobody was explaining just exactly how they managed to do this and could prove it was safe so quickly but as we've gone I've become more and more comfortable because as we Round the Corner to the end of the second year with these vaccines when you include the testing faze, I'm not seeing the negative reaction rate at extremely high level and I'm listening to people like Zdogg who genuinely treat me like a grown adult and speak to me I do I'm educated enough to understand what he's saying which I am. I had covid last year because I'm an essential worker as did my husband. He got his one J&J last week and I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it this week. The biggest reason I've turned around and changed my opinion is because the alt right side seems as fanatical against the vaccine as the alt left is for forcing everyone to have it. I don't like extremes and I find the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
@David K yes I knew that they had said it was based off the SARS vaccine. That's what made me so nervous because when there was talk of vaccine at the beginning of the year last year I started looking into it and found several medical journal articles warning against rushing a covid-19 vaccine based on the SARS vaccine because the Stars vaccine never worked fully and many of the animals died in Trials from antibody enhanced dependence and cytokine storm issues. The fact that they could never get a fully-functioning effective SARS vaccine made me concerned and the fact that they based this one off of it but somehow managed to make it up in a matter of days after receiving the genetic code from the Chinese government made me equally nervous. And yes the lack of animal testing made me even more nervous still. But I waited and waited and we just aren't seeing any issues with cytokine storm or ADE and at some point there comes a moment where you realize that enough time has passed and if we were really going to see people dropping like flies around us we would have started to see something by now. And so while I was nervous at the beginning, I'm becoming far less concerned. I have no doubt that the government and big Pharma are in bed together like nobody's business but it's for the purpose of making money and you don't make money by killing off your clients. Though I do understand people who are very concerned because of some of the things Bill Gates says about population control and using vaccine to control population. That man had some very disturbing ideas and far more money than he needs to implement those ideas so I can understand why people are nervous when his name is attached to things. But it does not take much to realize that he would have had to have paid off millions of people if he was using this particular vaccine for some grand scheme
Your shows with Dr. Gandhi are some of my favorites, for the substantive discussion and for the kindness. Also, I fell asleep listening to this last night and now I want her to read me a bedtime story every night.
What is your response to Dr. Malone's view that having high levels of vaccinated people makes it likely that 'superbugs' can emerge that are resistant to immunity based on vaccines?
Dr. Malone is a grudge toting, petty person who is so butt hurt about not getting credit that he is willing to see many people die for his ego. As to the question of vaccines creating a superbug, that’s absurd. Delta was born in India, before we had Covid vaccines.
@@LarisaAlexandrovna There's actual peer reviewed scientific papers about 'leaky' vaccines causing worse variants.. Do some googling and you'll learn that this vaccine, while capable in reducing hospitalizations and deaths is ultimately going to produce the variants that will get these vaxxed people severely sick down the road
@@susanfudge1737 Yes. Breakthroughs that don't just result in a positive test with no symptoms, or a few days of the sniffles. Which breakthroughs actually land someone in the hospital or the morgue? There aren't that many. It would be valuable to gather data.
I will say this. This was a great video and this is EXACTLY why i delayed on the vaccine. Look at all this beautiful conversation and information that's being discussed and learned as TIME GOES ON. It takes time. Those that want to wait, have their reasons.... TIME = data analysis
They did talked about it...Also as someone who has lived in Israel, I agreed with her assessment due to a number of factors unrelated to the efficacy of the vaccine.
@@ZDoggMD did u have any stange dreams after your moderna vaccine? Have you heard of the vivid dreams? I am just now getting back to normal after almost 6 weeks of occasional vivid dreams after moderna shot. Ive read articles about people experiencing this BEFORE the vaccines from last year. Is there somethingnin the virus or covid vaccine that could cause this?
I know Dr. out of the thousands and thousands of comments you get you won’t see this comment, but I’m going to leave it anyway. Over the past week or so I’ve been watching several of your videos. I appreciate your insight and willingness to share current information about our pandemic. It is because of your openness and willingness to see both sides of the conversation that I have finally decided to get the vaccine. I just walked out of Walgreens after receiving my first dose and just wanted to thank you. Keep up the great work.
If you make a vaccine on the Wuhan variant you are increasing the mutation through natural selection. I just can't handle the amount of faulty premise after another
Love this conversation! It really helped to understand the hysteria of the CDC and their messaging. Regarding the point made @53:45 about wouldn’t we rather have a prevention than a treatment, I don’t see as much cognitive dissonance in some people, since to be fair to Dr. Pierre Kory and the Ivermectin proponents, the idea is here to also use it as prevention - namely as prophylaxis, which all of them constantly talk about as well, in fact always emphasizing that prophylaxis is best, early treatment 2nd best. But I‘m happy to see that the conversation never pulls things into ridicule, but instead sticks to understanding. If more people would do that & look at the data more calmly and scientifically with no censorship, both sides would be more open to look at the data with less bias.
Indeed -- there are over 100 patents similar to Iverm as well as natural herbs that you can take to make your own home treatment -- by using herbs that are anti-viral and anti-bacteria -- which is readily available. They didn't seem to mention that.
Goddess-you two are Darling! Thank you for all the facts, the compassion, the deeper inquiry, and the beautiful Giggles. I’m So grateful I discovered you yesterday-what a Gift. 💜💙💚
Thank you for another informative discussion 😊 I’m double vaccinated but, being honest, I’m still sh*t scared of getting Covid because I have a history of post viral fatigue syndromes. I’ve been certain I’ll get Long Covid. But I’m getting tired of social distancing and masking, and in England where I live, there are no mandates around this anymore. I feel a bit more confident going out into the world after watching this video. Gotta do it sometime!
Gah! I love when you two have a discussion!!! Thank you!!!! Everytime I let MSM get into my head just a little bit, BAM! Two of my favorite doctors pop up!
Difference, small town in TX actually takes care of their poor. After living in the liberal parts for a decade I moved to Texas and noticed they care. I don’t know why it was surprising than it was.
I really enjoy listening to Dr. Monica and I think it’s because she seems so calm and reasonable. Very easy to listen to. Thank you for having her back! Love you too Dr. Z!♥️
Yet she has shamelessly & deliberately lied almost every time she went on the news. I'm calling billshit on her credibility before she does more damage.
Thank you so much for this! Was feeling all that DooM and GlooM until Dr. Monica Gandhi came back with a message of Love and Hope. I also love what Dr. Z said "Let's focus on the issue" and stop hating people who might have different ideas to solving this pandemic. At the end of the day, we all want this pandemic to end and for people to stop dying. Peace and Love from Malaysia.
Well here in australia thry are saying 70 to 80% vaccinated and will be going back to "normal life" and now you are saying 95% vaccinated because we don't have natural immunity, well that does not sound very encouraging for us here. The government fucked up this entire country 🤦🏼♀️
I'm in WA, and I think their biggest mistake is messaging, I just can't see how we are going to get 95% of people who trust the vaccine or the government. I think what will happen is that we will have a spike in cases and disease such as NSW is having now and then it will be worse in the unvaccinated. So we need to keep the vulnerable up in vaccination and hope we are in the vaccinated group when it goes through the population if Macgowen will ever allow it into the state that is. But the problem in Western Australia which he isn't saying is that we already have capacity issues with our hospitals. My mum was catagory 2 needing a hip operation and her first booking was cancelled due to no beds available. We have a severe bed crisis over here. Basically it's going to be a mess.
@@dawnhepburn4218 I am in Nsw And you are 100% right the biggest problem is the messaging about thr vaccine the constant change of rules does not help either. Today the premier said that we are going to see the worst in cases and hospitals being loaded with people in ICU IN a week or so but at the same time she said that the health system here is ready to cop 🤷♀️ Lets hope for the best and lets hope the all states come together to help each other as ONE COUNTRY
I think that it depends on the goal. In Denmark we are opening up with 71% of the (entire) population fully vaccinated. We are far from herd immunity, but we hope to weather the last storm. As far as I understand the official models predict another million infections and 1000 hospitalizations. As far as I understand the goal is to open up without causing too much strain on hospitals and definitely without running out of ICU beds. If you want true herd immunity through vaccinations, then you probably need to vaccinate much more than 70% of the population. I don't know the correct number, but I guess that it depends on the vaccine and the behavior of the population. One of the British experts recently claimed that Britain could never reach herd immunity through vaccinations, so everybody should expect to be infected sooner or later. (I wonder if the problem is that AstraZeneca has too many breakthrough infections to create herd immunity)
How did India get through their huge outbreak? If you look it up, you will see that some provinces sent all of their citizens Ivermectin. If you look at Peru, Ivermectin lowered death rates, until a new administration came in and pulled Ivermectin - then we see death rates increase 14 fold. I really appreciated your conversation here - thank you. It still seems like it is not the full picture. Early detection and early treatment, along with natural immunity, along with vaccinating people (who want it) 65+ and those with preexisting conditions seems like a more reasonable approach. 'the only way we are getting through this pandemic is vaccination' is still yet to be seen. "wouldn't we want to be preventative instead of treatment" YES - agreed. Thank you again!
Hey, I appreciate what you do! I have a severe neuromuscular disorder and am not comfortable with the current vaccines. What about Novavax? Why isn’t it being made available? I want to be vaccinated, I would get Novavax today if I could. I know many who would take Novavax, so it seems to me if the goal is vaccination, rather than making me take a vaccine that I am not comfortable with, it should be a priority to make a vaccine with 40% fewer side effects available to the hesitant. Please tell us why this is not being done?
Countries relying on Vaccine immunity not natural immunity will suffer cases before a rebalancing that's why boosters might be fine for very sick people no one else because the very sick will be on boosters forever
🤔 very confusing- 1 vaxx shot= unvaxx 2 vaxx shot = get covid within 14 days= unvaxx 2 vaxx shot -over 6 months =unvaxx 2 vaxx shot -without booster= unvaxx Vaxx failure?? This new vaxx neither confers immunity nor prevent the spread. It will however prevent ICU admission and prolong hospitalization. Help
This was the most honest informative podcast I’ve ever listened to! Coming from Australia we have been subjected to misinformation, or no credible information and bullied into vaccination through incredible amounts of pressure. It’s clear our government haven’t handled this pandemic and the scientific knowledge around immunity and vaccination very well at all. We need our questions answered as we want to UNDERSTAND the process of immunity and how vaccination will improve our quality of life and our chances of remaining healthy during this pandemic. Thank you both for such an informative honest talk. Feeling the love 💓🙏🏻
As someone from the US I actually wish I lived in Australia. Seriously almost a million people have died in the states due to Covid. I'd rather stay inside, than constantly listen to ambulance sirens even a year later. Hell I wish I lived in New Zealand because people can gripe all they want about the mandates and not going outside, but the death toll is so much lower.
Comorbidity is the key of fatality rate in covid-19 disease but less physician talk about prevent those comorbid anyway. So sad. "The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will instruct his patients in care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevent disease". ~Thomas Alfa Edison~
Yes but I really feel that it’s for the extreme. Healthy people are dying too. My husband had covid.I have a chronic iron deficiency so I should be more likely to get ill and severe illness correct? I never got it.. this time. No way to tell how your gonna react healthy or not.
@@animeshock2006 how many in comparrison? Do you know? Everyone seems to have anecdotal evidence of this but there are no stats. This gene therapy called a vaccine will not stop people from becoming sick and being a vector of transmission anymore with the mutant delta variant healthy or not.
@@desireesanchez-hinojos9532 if healthy people are dying then how you explain about the mortality rate are not overpass 80% and chance of survival rate of this disease still above 80% compare to first variant until delta? I mean not all comorbid can be prevented but many comorbid are caused by a bad life style.
@@fellypieter4238 what I’m saying is healthy people, are dying sick people are dying, people are dying. My 42 year old neighbor, retired US Army just died this week. No health issues. It’s a novel virus. You’d need minimum a 5 year study to make a conclusion. The data is not there.
BTW Denmark ended ALL health tyranny on Friday. No masks, no vacc passports, no plastic barriers, no capacity limits. All shops open normal hours. Night clubs back. Concerts, games, kids in school holding hands, singing, playing. NO MORE DAMAGE to people’s psyche, especially children. Most humane country on earth. I was just there for this historic occasion.
I go through periods when I start to lose hope, and wonder why I bothered taking a four-hour round trip to get my shots. Vaccinated friends are acting like it's 2020 again, when there were no vaccines. This was the video I needed to see today. Although, I'm a little worried that my three-week spacing between Pfizer shots is less-than-ideal based on this conversation.
I'm a Doctor and have seen with first hand knowledge of blood clotting due to spike protein. Administration gets kick-back for COVID Death Certificates. Can you say incentivized? Last time I checked annual flu death are ZERO...can you say mind control? I pass by 2 cemeteries on my way to work and nobody is dyeing to get in...same group of malnourished, unhealthy congregating, no mask wearing homeless on the street corner this morning...don't see them dropping dead and creating an obstacle!
that she is. But even just listening to her speak you realise how f'ing complex this issue is. There are so many f'ing variables and things that need to be considered when doing your "research". It really makes you realise that people (on both sides) who say if you do THIS everything will be solved!
Of course she is. You’ll have to be alive to get immune. I don’t have the vaccine but I also know there could be consequences. Either way their are risks.
I think "breakthrough" cases should be discussed in a more wholistic context because there are interaction effects between antibodies produced by vaccines and our own immunity... they both don exist in isolation... if a person's immunity is compromised, he or she probably has low memory T & B cells (typically true of elderly or unhealthy persons) to replicate antibodies, he or she may more likely succumb to Covid... even with full vaccination
So you are saying that 80-90% of the people in hospital in Israel with covid who are double vaxxed are all immunosuppressed? Also many many people with double doses are dying of covid. One would almost think the vax is ineffective from the numbers.
@@MissCase530 Oh no those people may have weak immunity (weak defence) caused by poor diet or other lifestyle factors but not medically considered immunosuppressed... so the "big elephant in the room" is possibly our own immune system.... another fun fact to think about - every jab of spike proteins (mRNA vaccine) reduces our natural immunity by 15% according to Doctor Ryan Cole
@David K You need to research leaky vaccines vs perfect vaccines. Covid vaccines are leaky and are nothing like original polio vaccines which essentially eradicated polio from the U.S. Look up Marek's disease, leaky vaccines, and how they affected the chicken population.
Incredible. They spend the first half of the interview acknowledging the harm caused by shaming and coercion. And then they come out in support of coercion.
Fantastic discussion, as an objective observer, I’m Canadian 😃, my biggest takeaway is that US messaging on Covid-19 is generally awful: 1) Governments try to manipulate their citizens, 2) Agencies post contradictory statements loosing trust and credibility, 3) Politicians… well everything is political in the US UK, EU governments and Canada are working for the people while the US is in a state of chaos and infighting.
I got a very mild case of Covid-19 this past March and got my second shot in late May. This channel was very helpful and helping me get fully vaccinated. Gracias por todo. Dios lo bendigas.
Natural immunity for those who were unfortunate enough to get infected are getting looked over.
It was so mild when I had it.
They're an inconvenient nuisance for team vaccine.
I recently tested positive for t-cell antibodies and spike protein antibodies. I was infected back in November 2020 with a mild case. This should count for something. I should be treated the same as a vaccinated person.
@@WayneTwitch the jab immunity or natural?
@@WayneTwitch all the research suggests the opposite of that. Vaccines fade.
You are way underestimating the resentment that mandates are generating. Forcing people to do something they fear or loose their careers over is no small thing.
Especially when, as noted, there are lots of people out there who lead sedentary lives, are obese, possibly vape, and are very proud they are on "Team Vax" and let everyone know it. And then you might have a someone else, who teaches yoga (aquasize, jazzersize, etc), follows the DASH diet and has given up added sugars, and is maybe at the low end of "normal BMI." And now that person gets dismissed from the primary care physician's practice because s/he is not vaccinated. That is wrong.
Even though it has been completely ignored by the MSM, there have been large demonstrations in Europe and parts of Canada (Quebec mostly where the government is hesitant to take its boots of its citizens necks).
@@katygroening1692 Katy, sadly the "Team Vax" person is more often a person who belongs to your second more healthy lifestyle group - and I think it is a gross generalization to state that they want to "let everyone know about it". Sure there are some, but also I seem to be hearing a very loud anti-vax message from proponents of that view. There is very persuasive evidence showing that the sedentary lifestyles, obesity etc. of people are more likely have a worse medical outcomes than of those who are healthier. Now with Delta there has been a game change where people who present as "healthy" are also getting badly affected by the disease - some with very bad outcomes. But good evidence shows that those who are fully vaccinated in both groups, if diagnosed with a breakthrough infection, have a roughly 95% chance of not requiring hospitalization. Respectfully, to say otherwise is wrong.
@@michaeltrumper Yep. There have been huge demonstrations and it seems an almost worldwide black out on reporting them. The manipulation of information has always been a tool to manipulate people but it seems to have reached a new level during Covid. I no longer engage in any MSM.
@@katygroening1692 I support vaccine mandates, but I agree with you that this physician is wrong. NO ONE should be denied health care, regardless of what we moralistic people think about their "lifestyle." I would hope this doctor wouldn't refuse to provide care to a smoker, to a person with an unhealthy diet, to a biker who wasn't wearing a helmet before the accident, etc. etc. etc. This physician is wrong in every way, in my opinion.
I really liked this podcast until the discussion on the vaccine mandates, that said I still hit the like button and I’m not going to be immature about it.
As you both said many times, the shots turn the infection into a common cold, if a grown adult chooses to take the risk of severe disease, that’s on them. (If you want to ride her bike without a helmet, no one is going to stop you.)
I’m one of the 39+ million who’s already dealt with the infection first hand, why do we have to be limited in what we can or can’t do?
Good to see you here! Couldn't agree more. Had it... In the words of the good doctor in a recent video... That has to count for something. You have given me great insight into getting healthy so my and my families immune systems are strong. Thanks!
And that adult who chooses to refuse a proven safe and effective vaccine should have to sign a waiver that they give up all rights to medical care if they come down with Covid unless that are able to pay cash in advance for said medical care. Neither their health insurance, the government, nor the hospital should be on the hook for the costs.
Thank you for all of your videos. You and ZDogg are my go-tos!
@terje … and if you do get the jab … and get vaccine injury , can someone sue and be accountable for the damage ? Ooh wait , their hands are clean … multi million dollar pharma companies are not responsible
@@kathybrady4033, High Intensity Health had Covid. That says something about his brain. I’m still up in the air about whether these deficits are caused by the virus, or it’s a preexisting condition.
Alarming Study Finds Cognitive Deficits in Those Who Had Even Mild COVID Cases
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Regarding this "96% of physicians..," it's important to clarify that 96% of 301 physicians who responded to an AMA survey reported being fully vaccinated; on the other hand, only 42% of 711 physicians who responded an AAPS survey reported being vaccinated. The true percentage likely lies somewhere in between, but 96% and 42% likely represent two ends of an incredibly biased spectrum.
I no longer believe in these data ,all these data and messaging are jacked up to make people think everyone else is buying in to it. States in India did much better with ( or because?)5% vaccination rate with delta variant...like common cold once they stop paying attention to false covid diagnosis and treated as usual seasonal viral stuff . false diagnosis and wrong/no treatment killed many before they realize that pcr tests are useless in for diagnosis of any disease.
"Incredibly biased" is the only thing I completely believe about information regarding covid
The AMA is politically biased? Or are you claiming the middle is one side of a political dichotomy be cause it is to the left of a very right leaning organization? Nice Overton window you got there.
Excellent point. Biased data solicitation and response, in both cases. You are correct, the truth lies somewhere in between. Most of the studies that are publicized are publicized only to support a perspective, not because they are quality studies. Some exceptions, such as Israel. I don't believe any CDC published propaganda. Sorry, they drove me to it.
@@DahVoozel “right leaning”? What’s the basis for this objective claim? Your comment is an example of someone who skews the context of an argument to recreate the narrative.
“Delta is going to cause immunity whether you get vaccinated or not” yet she supports vaccine mandates now. Just because there is “legal precedent” does not mean that something is litigiously appropriate. In America Slavery was legal, internment camps were legal, segregation was legal. I like ZDOGG’s approach of being open and honest and messaging appropriately. If someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine they don’t have to and they take that risk upon themselves. That’s it. End of argument. There is no reason for vaccine or immunity mandates if most people are vaccinated and are safe from severe illness. “They are happy in Europe” no they are not. There are millions of people protesting against mandates and passports every day. She needs to become more educated on how normal people think. Thank you for sharing her sheltered opinion.
This interview was all about convincing people to get vaccinated. The data presented is outdated and incomplete. They talked about Isreal but not the whole story. They said the quiet part out loud with that statement about how Delta is going to cause immunity whether you are vaccinated or not. YES because the gene therapy "vaccine" caused pressure to be applied on the virus and its reproduction forcing it to mutate much faster that it would have without the altered spike protein. The bottom line is it isn't working anymore, you will still get sick. As sick? Who knows because SARS Covi-2 affects everyone differently and if you catch the variants they are even less lethal than the Alpha which was survivable by 98 percent the world over. The thing that really makes me upset that there are and were therapeutics that were swept under the rug in exchange for these gene therapies. How many thousands of people did they kill by not having access to simple and inexpensive drugs and treatments while promoting this expensive and now rapidly ineffective vaccine tech?
She was so clearly cherry picking data. If you are talking about vaccinations and making it mandatory to get back to normal life, how can you ignore the case of Sweden that had no lockdowns, vaccination passports, less than 60% fully vaccinated people and yet has zero deaths to report most days and no restrictions on its citizensy
" . . . If someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine they don’t have to and they take that risk upon themselves. That’s it. End of argument." Well, no. It's not. They spread that risk to everyone they come in contact with, especially people who are immunocompromised (whether vaccinated or not), children, and others who can't be vaccinated.
@@jazzmanchgo except that’s not true. Look at the new data of “breakthrough cases” I’m the US. If someone is unvaccinated they don’t spread the virus at a statistically significant amount compared to vaccinated. Read the meta analyses and decide for yourself.
@@jazzmanchgo No.......
Ivermectin. The worse thing authorities did was to restrict access to it. They should have said there is no definitive results that it works but allowed doctors to prescribe it if they wanted. Better for a doctor to prescribed in safe dosages.
I don't have anything against people who take ivermectin, but you should also get the vaccine. The reason is to prevent you from going to the hospital. You being admitted to the hospital for COVID-19 hurts other people who need to go to the hospital for other reasons
@@jonalderson5571 I should have added that about vaccines. But easier to convince people to get vaccinated if you don't berate them about ivermectin. Prohibition never works.
Imagine if ivermectin only worked 10% of the time. That's 60k less deaths in USA. I suppose we will get definitives answers one day.
@@rjbiker66 I honestly don't know why some people are so triggered by ivermectin. It's basically a placebo which makes some people feel better, so why get mad at that? Ironically the reaction to ivermectin seems to make people want to take it even more. As long as they also get the vaccine, i don't care
@@jonalderson5571 because people who can't get the human verison are gettimg the animal verison and becoming very sick from it
@@animeshock2006 only a very small number of people. It's much more important to get people vaccinated than to screech at the 0.0000001% of people dying from ivermectin
the CDC needs top to bottom house cleaning. they have been utterly dysfunctional during the very moment when we needed them to be brilliant.....
I agree, they have been disaster during the time we needed them most.
What do you expect? During the 1918 pandemic, public health authorities failed in every aspect. Rather than acknowledging their mistakes, they argued that the reason they failed was because there was no central federal agency running the show. Then those failed health authorities formed the CDC.
@@ShadowRaven66669 100 years ago they didn't know about viruses. Now the CDC is the experts....the WHO needs a deep reboot as well.
No, they've overly cautious and played tug of war with the messaging for the first year of the pandemic.
@@ShadowRaven66669 30 years later? More likely in response to polio, measles, tb, whooping cough, dysentery, and, yes, malaria. How much do we worry about those now?
Mandates and vaccine passports will only increase distrust and increase resistance to vaccines and other measures. The honor system is good!!!
Placating the dead ender Trumpists won’t work…they will never get vaxxed
It is utterly impractical to has vaccine mandates for ordinary activities, are you sposta show your fukkin papers to buy a loaf of bread?
@@missano3856 english!!! Do u speak it???
@@bh-zj4yt this was trumps vaccine u dummy
pull your head out
The honor system is fine by me. I am vaccinated. If you choose not to be responsible, wash your hands, social distance, avoid crowds, stay home when you're sick, you can die by yourself, just try not to take any other people with you.
I’m now a libertarian, the pandemic was the final straw that tipped me over into libertarianism.
@@jbowen867 True libertarians do not care about what other people call them.
@@jbowen867 to some on the left. Not all
Do you want a cookie? 😂
@@jbowen867 You realize libertarianism was originally a far left position, right?
I think all conservatives are actually libertarian but just don't have enough money to actually live as a true libertarian.
Still with the blaming of the unvaccinated. The fact remains that the large majority of people who catch any variant don’t get that sick AND they end up with natural immunity.
90 percent of the People in us hospitals are unvsccinated thats a fact... The majority of people dying in the us are unvaccinated thats a fact..
@@animeshock2006 I’m not saying that it’s not a fact. I’m saying that it is not a huge amount of people. Instead of putting out fearful percentages, why don’t you give the actual numbers.
@@Wondwind I can give you those numbers.
The Associated Press's analysis of government data from May of 2021 shows that vaccinated individuals make up only 1.1% of COVID hospitalizations.
In May, of 18,000 COVID deaths, we know that only 150 of them were in vaccinated individuals. That's about 0.8%.
Ask any nurse if the majority of their COVID admits are unvaccinated, guarantee you they'll say yes.
All you have to do is Google unvaccinated vs vaccinated COVID deaths, and you'll receive tons of data on it.
It is the fault of the unvaccinated, actually. I'm putting the blame squarely on them. They made the very stupid choice to not get vaccinated. Now they're bogging down our healthcare system. Every day, I read post after post after post on a nursing messaging board about their frustration with their idiotic unvaccinated patients who are overloading an already strained healthcare system.
I don't give a shit if a lot of them end up with natural immunity. The ones that don't are already too much of a burden on the hospitals in this country, and that's due to their own selfishness and stupidity. You don't have a right to talk about who's to blame if you're not part of the healthcare system who has to deal with the fallout.
And where are your numbers? You were very quick to call out another commenter's "fearful percentages" while providing fuck all to support your own generalizations. Let me guess. Don't have any? The government's covering things up? C'mon, let's see if you can find a pathetic enough excuse I haven't heard before. It doesn't matter to me that not everyone who catches COVID will die to it. What matters is that of the people who do die, it is absolutely preventable. Uneducated people like you who stir the pot are to blame. Convince me that relying on solely natural immunity is better than getting the jab AND using your natural immunity.
Let's add to that the fact that many of the numbers we have so far are from the primary waves and variants of COVID, the most forgiving and docile ones. Delta and whatever other nasty variants it might mutate into because of the idiotic unvaccinated individuals letting it run rampant are known to be more vicious. Never has the divide between the unvaccinated and vaccinated been so clear. If you caught it the first time and survived, cool. You have a much better chance of surviving Delta if you get it. But you should absolutely still be getting vaccinated. Because your dumbass little friends who never caught COVID will look at you and say, "Well he wasn't vaccinated the first time either, and he's fine now!" Yeah, that's because you were fighting a much more mild strain of it. Are the vaccines the perfect counter to Delta and future variants? No, absolutely not, but they're a hell of a lot safer than risking death by gaining natural immunity the original way. Early preliminary research is already showing that booster shots are helping even with the newer variants. As I said earlier, only 0.8% of the people dying to COVID now are vaccinated. That's from May, when Delta was first emerging.
@@Wondwind your right, wonder out of how many people that get sick end up hospitalized. I'm sure it's a low percentage?
@@anillustration5059 That 18,000 number is not a big one. I don’t care if they were vaccinated or not. The vast majority of people who catch the virus WILL NOT GET MORE THAN A COLD much less die.
What we need is a Time machine to go back to Feb 2020 and replace Walensky and Fauci with Zdogg and Gandhi. We'd be in a much better place today. Thanks for your insight folks!
YES! FAUCI sucks!!
Fauci's team wantonly taught them how to weaponize a virus.
Yeah everyone get covid.... Lets see if the get naturally immunity.... Oh wait natural immunity is useless if your dead or on immune supressors for life because you had to get a double lung tranplants due to covid ravaging ur lungs
That would be great.. I wish we could go back in time & get this right!!
Lol, I doubt a dogg would agree
I just love this woman so much ❤️ I wish she became the head of the CDC. Honest, science-based, neutral, compassionate, not afraid to change her mind when things are changing, very knowledgeable, very keen to any new developments in medicine as well as the world, hardworking and always studying which means she doesn’t cut the corner, respectful, fair, and most of all, she is a solid decent true human being with a big ❤️ heart ❤️ She takes her duties very seriously… and on top of all that, she is really charming and lots of fun!! I love her 😍 What a wonderful doctor. What a beautiful person 💜 Thank you Dr. Z for having her on your channel! Peace ✌️
The CDC thinks everyone is to stupid to understand information. If they would just tell the truth and give consistent information things would be a bit smoother. In my opinion.
They arent wrong to think that, unfortunately.
@UC_sZOTUaPCWeQD6887w0WxQ They actually are It's not the government's job to make sure I or anyone else stays healthy or safe. Never has been never will be that's the problem they need to back up their censorship and shutting down any discussion that didn't fit their narrative is the major problem in those that aren't getting the vaccine We have a first amendment here in this country You might not like what someone has to say but that is their right or at least it used to be
@@jenni0278 then why have any form safety then?
@@TheRealSaintNickNorthside Only from the perspective of a person wanting everyone to be vaccinated for everything. When you step back and realize that isn't an objective good you can start realized that these "stupid people" aren't stupid, they're just making value judgements different than you.
The thing is when you fear monger for 2 years and hype up the case numbers and say OH SHIT GUYS THIS IS REAL WE'RE FUCKED and people buy it for a bit... but then actually get around to looking and discover oh 99% of people survive, oh 50% of people have zero symptoms, oh half the people that die have fucking pneumonia... it starts to look like that organization is no better than something like brietbart or fox news in terms of credibility.
If you told people hey, uh, there's a pretty bad virus going around, 99.9% chance it won't kill you if you're healthy and under 50, but if you're old or particularly unhealthy you might be looking at a 3-5% chance to die they might be more keen to listen, because you're not telling a bold faced lie to their faces and trying to capitalize on fear.
@@TheInfectous they already made trillions from fear and unless everyone stands against mandates it's gonna get worse. Pfizer just made an antiviral pill. fine on it's own but you watch. Bet you they're going to try to make everyone down to little kids take it whether they need it or not. We don't even have 3 to 5 year side effects for the other yet. Yes people are dumb in large groups, hence why I tell people gtfo Twitter or at least turn off notifications, and definitely no socials before bed. the individual's pretty smart most times. I know how to read charts too, I'm just a lot slower at it than someone like Dr. Z or Dr. Monica. ( whom I still love to pieces ) No on mandating.
Awe Dr Monica I'm so sorry for your loss. He was a blessed dog to have you for a momma!
"We all want it to be Trump's fault". See, that's the kind of marginalization is not helping alleviate vaccination hesitancy.
Trump got the vaccine and said people should get it, was booed and backpedaled. He's a great leader.
@@DahVoozel Yes! Trump is the one that caused the vaccines to be available. Not Biden. Not Harris. If it were up to them, they would still be arguing about what the vaccine should look like.
The world and especially the u.s needs more nuance conversations. I'm glad to hear one.
Won't happen with our fake media
Thank you to the 2 Doctors producing this content! It’s refreshing to hear non partisan real world info.
I will never trust any U.S. health care official or agency again!
Dr. Ghandi is an awesome and appealing communicator, in addition to being a very competent academic. I remember her compelling studies on masking early in the pandemic, and how convincing her research-based message was.
I was on board and in sync with the conversation until she shifted into vaccine mandates. That is the path to losing the trust of our patients, and displays the incredible arrogance the medical 'community' has developed towards their patients as a whole. Encourage, educate, and then respect your patients choice. If you allow yourself to walk past that gate, you are leaving your medical ethics behind (regardless of the emotionally-charged justification can often follow). It is a failure of public health to have to mandate any intervention, and it will cause more harm in the long term. Especially since we have natural immunity to consider, rapid antigen testing (for vaxxed and un-vaxxed), mask use, etc..
There is a doctor in Florida who came out in the media saying she would no longer see pts that are unvaccinated. For all the reasons you mentioned, I agree with you completely, and physicians that do what this Florida doc is doing, is the exact opposite of what healthcare providers should be doing. That is the wrong way to build public trust, especially during a time when public trust in healthcare has already been so badly damaged.
@@jennh2096 The problem is that the huge amount of unvaxxed make it dangerous for everyone as a person in a car crash cant get treated. One could retrospectively think about how earlier messaging could be done, but it's at a point where the patience with the unvaxxed is exhausted and one must force vaccination for the good of everyone now :(
There have been education outreach for quite some time, but the amount of antivax propaganda on Facebook defeats it (as these people are listening to randos on Facebook instead of the experts) and the results are devastating :(
I agree. Unvaccinated, healthy, fit, I wear a mask religiously, never been sick since pandemic, never had COVID. As an essential federal contractor, I am now being forced to get the vaccine or lose my job. I did EVERYTHING I was supposed to do in the name of national security (probably more than most vaccinated people who will not wear a mask), yet I am being spit in the face by the US government for my service and categorized as an unvaccinated, dangerous American. The message failure and distrust make me even more distrustful of this Biden administration and this country. They didn’t win my trust, they just threatened my livelihood with bullying and fear. I have no respect anymore for this government or the healthcare industry.
Eh -- We already have mandatory vaccines for kids to get into school; the military enforces vaccine mandates; we have to get certain vaccines in order to travel to some countries . . . I don't have any problem with enforcing mandates for the sake of the common good. No different from drunk driving laws or speeding laws.
Wow a Normal conversation about COVID, I didn’t know that was possible.
Ivermectin FTW.
cheerful vaccine pushers, yay
@@Dosadniste2000 I actually had worms and didn't realize it. Ivermectin not only protects me from COVID, but also cleared out my intestinal worms.
@@telengardforever7783 Ok.
Love when Dr. Monica Gandhi comes on. She has a nice way of explaining things.
If i was president Dr. Gandi will be my CDC director Dr. Zdogg will be my surgeon general dr Marty Mckary will be my chief medical advisor
@@sajjadnasir1120 I'm against the covid shots for 95% of kids, and I approve this message.
@@MK-ih6wp how come?
@@sajjadnasir1120 Amen to that!
So nice to see Dr. Monica back on the show :)
This converstation has really helped me today. I was so defeated with the pandemic, so lonely, in all honesty, today was a little crying breakdown day, because I am so tired of the fighting, the loneliness, the fear, the never-ending confusing messaging and the lack of hope. And now I feel so optimistic about the vaccinations and so much more optimistic about the future too!!! I feel like I can breath again and move on with my day and get things done. THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH THE TWO OF YOU. Thank you.
I completely understand you, you are not alone ❤
I don’t think Dr. Pierre Kory resists vaccination. He does encourage early treatment and has had much success with it.
He has contracted Delta, despite using ivermectin and recovered and has not gotten (refused to get?) vaccinated. Also, Dr. Paul Marik was vaccinated as he was in the higher risk group and it was available to him as a practicing health care worker, but although he doesn't regret getting it, he has been equivocal about getting vaccinated if he had to do it all over again, "knowing" what he knows now. That's hardly a ringing endorsement of getting vaccinated, even for the vulnerable. Also Dr. Kory has stated that the I-MASK+ protocol wasn't working well at all against Delta, with patients crashing into ICUs and the FLLCC were "demoralized and frightened" (exact words used). One of the founding doctors in the FLLCC group has left the organization because of the poor, almost anti-health messaging that seems to be condoned by the organization by their legion of antivaxx followers, and none of the FLLCC members have been very visible/confident lately on various social media...
You're right, both FLCCC and America's Frontline Doctors are explicitly neutral on vaccination, and encourage masking.
@@OlJackBurton So many lies and slander from you. Haha
riveting discussion and presentation. I completely agree as a physician with your various points made in this video. I have literally cringed over and over again at the messaging I have heard from the PH "Experts" and the absolute headlong rush to mandates from the outset......why? Well, maybe now we can reconsider but, we have to message that we trust our patients and families and respect their fears, concerns, and times of reluctance and address them in with honesty and be respectful of the trust they place in us.
I wonder what the New England states (Maine, Vermont, NH) did right to get their citizens vaccinated? Maybe their population is just better educated and has more common sense.
Probably because of the fact it infects other people and even healthy people have died, yet there's still people who don't care enough to even wear a mask. Ordinary people prove themselves to be very untrustworthy, even in Singapore where I live - the most susceptible old people are just sitting around unmasked and chatting at crowded food spots half the time so cases have been going up recently even with a mandate. Like, they KNOW it's bad, but they can't help themselves - people would only be in "danger" mode for so long. If the pandemic's taught me anything, is that human brains can't handle longevity of dangerous situations. "It looks safe, must be safe, everyone's doing it! Oh let's go out to a concert just once, let's talk to the neighbour unmasked for 30minutes just once, now I'm gasping for air in the ICU regretting my actions, I knew I shouldn't have done it", I've already seen cases like that.
If everyone's living in a city that is highly connected to other people, like there's 5 laundromats for 6 million people and everyone goes there, and everyone shops at central malls or go to a central venue for everything, and there unvaccinated people live there and choose not to get vaccinated even after years.... they are not respecting their neighbours, their colleagues, other sick people who need the hospital resources and the essential workers who're affected by their choice. A lot of people have already been killed by the unvaccinated people's actions, people have lost their mothers, their fathers, their father in law, sometimes their entire family at once; shouldn't that make it necessary for a mandate BEFORE any more lives are lost? Disabled people's lives are clearly not important to many self-absorbed people, that old lady down the street's not important to many self-absorbed people, why would spending hours talking to them telling them to inconvenience themselves for the disabled be any help? How is spreading covid to the weak and susceptible different from involuntary manslaughter?
@@MNP208 Clot Shot - dead man walking
@@applepie9806 Clot Shot - dead man walking - all in my extended family died after clot shot.
@@MNP208 Look back to the 1st wave of the pandemic. Who got hit by C19-Alpha first? The cities with the highest amounts of passenger air travel. The areas with the highest amounts of international travel also had the highest # of cases of C19-Alpha, and subsequently now have the highest C19-vaccination rates.
The highest total air passenger traffic pre-C19 (2019 numbers, (I used Wikipedia's #s): while Chicago OHare & Atlanta individually have more traffic, once you add up all three major airports that serve NYC (JFK, LaGuardia, & Newark), you'll see they're usually the king of passenger travel. But in 2019, once NYC announced their stay-at-home orders, everyone who could fled to their vacation homes in New England & Northeast PA - and in many cases, brought the virus with them.
(BTW, the same correlation between busy airports/C19-Alpha/C19-vaccinations apply to DC - (served by Dulles, Reagan, & BWI) and to the Dallas-Arlington-Fort Worth Metroplex, served by DFW & Love Field).
You were the deciding factor for my choice to get the vaccine. You admitted some errors in your analysis from spring 2020, giving you more credibility. Your rational discussion of why someone with my profile should take it, guided me to actually getting it done. Thank you.
On behalf of everyone, I thank you! My unvaccinated brother has been in the hospital almost 3 weeks on heavy oxygen, hoping to be released tomorrow but it will be to rehab for possibly a few weeks, and will most likely be on oxygen when he goes home. He's lucky to be alive. 58, overweight but otherwise healthy.
@@nancyd.6191 my heart breaks when i hear someone gets covid with longterm issues when two shot could have prevented that
I still believe in choice but at tge same time i wish more were vaccinated......❤ for you and your brother
Which video did he admit errors? I saw him ridiculing Dr. Beert and now everything that's happened is what Dr. Beert predicted.
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@@Justanotherbite5 ❤❤
There is a group of people that I still don’t hear being talked about. That’s the people that have been exposed or have gotten COVID-19 but either were a symptomatic or just didn’t get sick. My husband got COVID and we didn’t not isolate from each other while he was sick. I know for 100% that I was exposed, but I never got sick or at least never felt sick. My question is, if my immune system is fighting this virus on it’s own without a vaccine, why do I need a vaccine? I also don’t get sick very easy with a cold or the flu. There are other people that I know who got the virus but said that it wasn’t any worse than a mild cold. What about these people, who apparently have a great immune system and ha e already faced the virus without any issues, do they need a vaccine? I would view it like the flu shot, it’s optional for those that feel like they need it.
They discuss this a bit between the 26 and 28 minute marks. They still recommend at least one dose of vaccine for those who’ve been mildly infected to cement that memory b-cell immune response.
I, too, never get sick (75 yr old) and was exposed to Covid through constant contact to someone close to me-no quarantine. I did get the vaccine and had absolutely no reaction to either shot-no sore arm, not one symptom. So, it was a very easy experience even though I would not have gotten the shots unless I had been required to do it.
I do like that when they talk about people who have gotten COVID-19, that they suggest that they get one shot but aren’t telling that it’s a have to. They are at least acknowledging that there is natural immunity. What I don’t like is still the narrative of, “If you haven’t gotten COVID-19 and are unvaccinated, you WILL get it and get seriously ill.”. In my case, I can only assume that I got it or that my body’s immune system was good enough to protect me from it. Then of course how they are wanting to mandate the vaccine (and are in some cases). My whole thing, for me personally, is why do I “need” something that I don’t need? Ya know? I don’t feel like I have gotten a straight answer from anyone on that yet.
@@carolynchandler9258 the difficult thing is trying to predict who will, or wont, become severely ill if they get covid. There are a lot of things that increase risk of severe disease, such as age, underlying conditions, etc, but there are also young, seemingly healthy individuals that have ended up in ICU and/or died, without having any risk factors. Having no immunity, whether via vaccine or infection, does not guarantee you will become severely ill, but it is impossible to know if you will be one of those unlucky people. Regardless, I still believe people should be allowed to make their own risk assessment and decision whether or not to be vaccinated. Personal choices surrounding healthcare decisions must be protected, and unvaccinated people are really not posing a risk to those that are vaccinated or have immunity from previous infection. The fact that the media and public health "experts" continue to push this false narrative is even more detrimental to their efforts to convince people to get vaccinated.
@@jennh2096 Yes, exactly!! That's my whole concern, is the mandating of vaccines. I am not apposed to vaccines at all and I wouldn't be concerned about getting a vaccine IF I needed it. If I hadn't had an obvious interaction with the virus and learned that my immune system is healthy enough to face it, then I would probably get the vaccine. I think of the phrase, "Why fix something that aint broke". I know what my reaction to the virus is. It's the same way that I see the flu shot. Some people get it every year to help them not get the flu or to lessen symptoms and some don't. I personally don't, because I have only gotten the flu twice in my whole life and that was a long time ago. I don't NEED the flu shot. I think we have just made a mess out of this whole thing.
Dr. Gandhi is by far my most favorite doctor I follow on Twitter. She has helped me through all of the various stages of this pandemic. Thank you Dr. Gandhi!!
Yes I'm about to have an aneurysm if my company requires me to get a third shot when I already considered quitting because of the first two to begin with. I'm 29 with a decent immune system.
Yeah there's no way I get a booster shot if my company requires it.
Quit
I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Ghandi on the importance of messaging! Before becoming a lawyer, I worked as a public relations specialist for hospitals. It was so important to help medical professionals understand how best to communicate with the general public in a way that everyone can get. Both Dr. ZDogg and Dr. Ghandi are great at this! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Yeah, but Dr. Z was part of the polarization problem early on. He's just starting to get rational.
Can you both explain to me, why after every news broadcast, every 4 hours, with stress inducing death graphs, never had a 10sec bit, saying, keep your spirits up, your vit D&C, zinc levels optimal, even give free supplements. In a 'Pandemic', this would be paramount for general metabolic health?? Or am I wrong? No where in the World did this!! WHY?
Also, stay in shape and for the love of God, DON'T GAIN WEIGHT!
How about stop poisoning/spraying our food supply and water for starters..
Why? $$$$, POWER, MARXIST CONTROL. THAT'S WHY. Natural immunity, Hydroxy Chloroquine, IVERMECTIN, cheap, safe, would have stopped the pandemic and the current "surge". No EUA, no "vaccine", no lockdowns, no mass mail in ballots, no $$$, no power and no MARXIST mandates. There's your answer as to "why?".
Ive been on high vit d3 for over a year, plus zinc. Everyday. Should have been a loud message. Thank God for these videos otherwise i wouldnt have known dosages needed for this
@@robwr737 nothing to do with health then....and we all know it...and they wo der why people are suspect about vaccines...any who takes this money driven coerced serum need their head read in my opinion 👍
Finally, someone gets it. They acknowledge people are mad about vaccine mandates while ignoring natural immunity! I’m one of those mad people. I have natural immunity and I only wanted one vaccine. Yet my employer mandated 2 and is making me get a booster 😡😡😡😡😡
My employer is trying to mandate the booster (in CA). I’ve had covid19 firs And then 2 shots. I feel that others should get their first shot before I get my 3rd. Would like to see more around the world get their first shot, that would be the right thing. I am hoping employer will allow me to continue getting tested and NOT get the booster.
@@christishea4020 individuals should make their own choices. How about that?
Get the medical evidence that you have immunity and do what that professor did. Prove that you don't need it.
@@stockinette3735 yes 👍
@@christishea4020 same
These are the people who should be speaking to America on the national stage and handling this whole deal. Thanks for sharing this great and informative conversation with us. I watched the whole video!
I'm older, born when Polio was still around in North America, and Smallpox and other vaccines were mandated vaccines in my school (1960s)- that was the price we paid for education, we took Cod liver oil pills in school because we lived in Newfoundland and needed the vitamin D, and we got our school vaccines or we didn't go to school. We had a vaccination card which was part of our school record, I still have mine because my smallpox vaccine didn't scar me. I'm vaccinated doubly for Covid, because as an immune compromised nurse, I don't want to end my life proned. But I don't want to take a dose from someone who needs it more than me. Interestingly- Pfizer made me quite sick (1st dose), Moderna didn't bother me at all. We went 7 weeks between vaccines. Mandated vaccine used to work. Now it's a political football.
I had these discussions with my parents. People really looked out for the greater good of their communities back then. It's every person for themselves today.
There were always exemptions for those who were immune or who had religious, personal belief, or medical issues with it.
How about treatments as the way out? That should be the focus!!!!Too many variants obviously!!!!! A year and half and nobody can come up with a treatment to stop deaths?
That's not correct. There's been many advances. Figuring out not to aggressively ventilate and instead to use prone breathing. Other experimental antivirals haven't been great, but monoclonol antibodies are good, and certain steroids.
So several key advices in treatment. But I do agree we should be spending billions on treatments at this point.
My husband and I got vaccinated Monday after watching your videos Sunday. And we were not planning on it unless it was mandated. Good job ZDogg.
Yay! My sister finally got her first shot last week after we saw our unvaccinated brother almost die in the hospital. He should be released this week after about 3 weeks, but it will be to rehab (!) and then he will be on oxygen for a while at home.
Good for you!
@@nancyd.6191 happy for your sister. I wish mine would. Praying for your brother.
@@shashamarie4760 thank you so much. I'll be praying for your sister to realize what she needs to do. 🙏🙏
RIP
I love your videos! You're non politicized and I can tell that you're just trying to help people understand what they need to do and what's best for their health!
Edit: spelling
You are gullible my man
Have dr gandi on a lot more she is smart tells the truth and I love to hear her talk she tells the truth I love u for having on on she calms me down about this subject in a way no one in dallas can she is calm and respectful and reassuring in my view we need that right now .
I label myself as vaccine hesitant & I question somet things said on here. With that being said if she was in charge & delivering the messaging we would have at least 20% higher vaccine rates.
I like the idea of the green passport. Where you show that a) you've been vaccinated or b) you've had natural immunity. I also was amazed and pleased to hear that 96% of American doctors have been vaccinated.
@Ryan Henschel So doctor Rryan, what are your thoughts and data on that? And your thoughts on nutjob candace owens. And I hate joy reid, btw. I'm a progressive, not a neo liberal.
I have the Green Pass in Rome. It got me into McDonald's yesterday so that QR Code works! I love my Green Pass!
@@TheRomanPilgriminPerson Great!
@Ryan Henschel The conclusion that staff are quitting for vaccine mandates? Getting covid and quitting? Quitting out of sheer exhaustion? And you looked at 50 hospitals out of the 6000+ in the USA alone? And lastly, what is blood clot therapy? You need to watch more of motormouth ben shapiro. lol
I don't just like freedom I love freedom. I'm nearing my senior years. I've worked hard since I was 18 and have been a good citizen. I will not enter this stage of my life allowing others to make decisions for me. I have and will continue to decide what's best for me. I had Covid and nearly died from blood clots. I still maintain that vaccine mandates and vaccine shaming is wrong.
Yet we are were mandated to take vaccines to go to school...
@@animeshock2006 we shouldn’t be.
@@animeshock2006 which vaccine would you like to research data on ? How about the MMR. Measles/mumps/rubella. I can easily access years and years of data regarding adverse reactions. Tell me what airport, bar,grocery store,sporting event or bank required us to show proof of an MMR ? These mandates are a tool for power control. I'm not willing to play along. I'm not anti vaccine. I'm anti Tyranny.
As a health care worker. Thank you for unbiased and scientific discussions. It is amazing to here real science and real thoughts. Not politics. Thanks so much.
To Monica- Frodo will always be watching from the other side of the rainbow bridge. You gave him a wonderful life, and you both blessed each other by being together. ❤
I live in the rural south and have seen young people die because our vaccine and/or immunity rate is low. Totally scared of sending my child to school. Lost my mom to COVID. Don't want to lose my child because he is too young for the vaccine. It makes me sad how political this has gotten. You always have such a rational discussion and I wish everyone would follow the science.
I appreciated this. And Very true. I believe Dr. Z has done so much for vaccinating. I'm getting mine this week, thanks to the content he put out, and the deliverance of said content. Thanks! 💜
I agree i wish he was on the CDC panel of so called experts he would intimidate them all LOL! 😁
Transcript, audio podcast, links, and more episodes with Dr. Gandhi at zdoggmd.com/monica-gandhi-5
Topic list:
0:00 Intro
0:45 Were we wrong saying the pandemic was over back in May?
2:44 The failure of vaccine messaging: vaccine “breakthrough” PCR testing etc.
9:02 Defanging COVID by reducing severe disease
9:44 Who should really get boosters
12:30 Vaccine nationalism
13:16 In Public Health, messaging is EVERYTHING, shame doesn’t work
16:05 Immunity is the answer, Australia, the 1918 Flu pandemic, smallpox
19:22 You won’t eradicate SARS-CoV2 so how do we make it endemic
20:27 Natural and vaccine-induced immunity, vaccine spacing, B vs T cells
28:36 Israel and Immunity Passports/Vaccine Mandates
31:08 Masks vs. Vaccines
31:58 The European experience
34:29 Delta surge in the US
35:43 Vaccine mandates should take into account natural immunity
36:52 Doctors’ vaccination rate is 96%
38:31 RIP Frodo the Dog and fates worse than death
41:13 Risks to kids in schools, private vs. public schools
43:51 What happened to the San Francisco we knew?
45:21 Global vaccine equity, and pandemic politics
49:24 Therapeutics like ivermectin, monoclonals, fluvoxamine, molnupiravir and more
55:53 Mu variant
How about having a talk with only a lab tech qualified person like me...Even in private....just for your intellectual curiosity?
That would be awesome. Hope he takes you up on the offer.
What are your thoughts from the lab these days?
@@MK-ih6wp I only worked for 3 months during a degree course, which I couldn't complete, and I still know PCR can't be used and interpreted by unqualified people...He won't, he should, because I would be an easy target to dismiss and discredit!!
Would love to hear your thoughts on this... ruclips.net/video/feJ6DItL7Ic/видео.html I'm on the fence about getting jabbed. All the data Dave talks about can be confirmed. He's been right about most everything he's posted about in the past year. I think he makes valid points. I also think you've made some valid points. So I sit here, still undecided.
So if I had the virus last November and got two Pfizer vaccines, is that even better?
So what I’m hearing is that the PCR test with many amplification cycles can show fragments of the virus, but not definitely if I’m infected, going to get worse symptoms, or if I would transmit it to others. In other words, this is a terrible test, that we have been relying on falsely.
Case numbers are probably almost meaningless.
It may tell you that you've been exposed, with the right parameters on the PCR cycling.
Yes, if you are asymptomatic who knows if you are symptomatic more likely infective Covid. But who knows. The science is always changing but like they have said the messaging needs to be better and better policies.
The PCR has been set way too high this whole time We know that we knew that a while ago then they changed it briefly and then they upped it again It's ridiculous
I am not sure I would go far, but there are certainly limitations.
What’s “many” amplifications?
As an infection prevention nurse, I’ve seen the difference between 40 & 60. Then the CT value would have to be evaluated if you are actually infectious. Nobody said it’s 100% fool proof. But it’s the best we can do.
Rule of thumb, isolate when symptomatic. That’s when the viral load is the highest. Once you get a positive PCR, it’s too late. You’ve already infected 10 other people.
I can't believe you asked the question, were we right or were we wrong. Full respect!
Love when you have Gandhi on! She is one of the most authentic and compassionate physicians I've ever seen, even if I disagree with her change of heart regarding vaccine/immunity passports lol. At least she overtly acknowledges immunity from natural infection! We need more discussions like this, that are from the heart and all different perspectives. So sorry for your loss of Froto 😢
I am SO grateful for these conversations. As a COVID vaccinator, I feel better prepared for the hard question that I get from clients and their parents because of these conversations. Please keep this work going! You are making such a difference!!!
Deanna,natural immunity with minerals,trace minerals,good dose of vitamins and other has been showed more effective than the jab.If you do not believe me,there has been a study released from Israel of late..Hope you are well.
wonderful!! thanks for caring and helping have a good dialogue with people.
@Maurice Francois Your MSM pharma funded DISINFORMATION is what should be banned (only happens in a just fact data driven governments with no conficts of interests), now GET LOST you shill! Natural immunity kicks VAXXED so called immunity butt!
The very end of this video really hit home. I used to identify as Democrat. Now, however, I distrust them all and no longer identify with either party.
Smart move. Same bird. Different wings.
We are independent too. THe problem has become the extremist wings of both sides
That's what I've been thinking for years
Democrats actively advocate for a demonic agenda. Republicans pretend to object, but then help them formulate policy and ultimately get it passed into law. Those of us who studied the founders and the constitution are horrified by both parties.
I absolutely hate Democrats' policy on COVID and education, but I agree with them on everything else. The Republican party is a bunch of literal nutjobs
I am so not for this vaccine, but you are so right about their approach. It’s such a turn off. Kudos for having a normal conversation that acknowledges natural immunity. Well should have waited. Y’all lost me on these mandates.
I love when you have Dr Gandhi! Rational discussion is unfortunately a rarity. Thank you for continuously providing this and keeping me sane as an alt-middle in a polarized world!
This is the most calm, rational, data-based conversation I've EVER heard on covid. THANK YOU!!!!
My double jabbed nephew just got diagnosed with Covid. He is sick. Not in the hospital but much sicker than he expected.
Yep, sorry to hear that. The fact is the "vaccine" was not designed against variants, only one protein from the original Wuhan virus, is relatively ineffective against delta, almost useless after 5-6 months, probably useless against any new variants. Make sure you demand hydroxy chloroquine and/or Ivermectin! They work!
And when he gets better he will actually have immunity. What he received was a double dose of a narrowly focused in design gene therapy which is now being surpassed by the virus' natural response to pressure being put upon it by the gene therapy in order to reproduce. It would and could never give a person true immunity - what it did was make it difficult or in early days impossible for the virus to take hold in your body, but not fight it off.
The vaccine isn't designed to prevent you from getting sick. It's just to keep you out of the hospital. So, it did its job.
I was just thinking this morning about Monica and hoping she’d be on again!! Both of you have kept me sane through all of the craziness on mainstream media and on social media. Thank you Zdogg and Monica for all that you do!, 🙏🙏
Ok, I love the term “alt middle!” I think of myself as a “center populist,” but “alt middle” captures our strong rejection of the ideologues on each side!
ISRAEL the country that had the MOST vaccinations - and since become the nation with the MOST infections .... which translates into Vaccinated infecting other Vaccinated people - since the vast majority of its citizens were vaccinated.
@David K Vaccinated people are still spreading the virus - the more spread - the more the disease will exist in the population. Also, ISRAEL also noticed that the Vaccine's protections were failing - allowing more people to become ill.
2 problems - Vaccinated are still contagious. The Vaccine's ability to prevent serious illness is diminishing.
We are going to have to use other methods and treatments in order to get this thing under control - because when vaccines were first given - no one expected they would still be infectious,
@David K The infectious disease specialists were shocked when they started testing Vaccinated people - only to find their viral load was just as high - as it was for the unvaccinated. The CDC was so alarmed at this discovery - they delayed that announcement of this "new" information at least by one day ... it was a shock to everyone - and has COMPLETELY changed the ability to control this virus - and how we interacted with everyone around us. As mentioned on this very site, under a different topic - about how when one man realized that the ONLY person he would be helping with is new form of transmission - would be himself - as "he" likely would become less ill if infected ... and with some encouragement, he was convinced to get that vaccination anyway.
Why do you think vaccinated people are told to wear a mask indoors now? This is just another loophole in the VACCINATION bullying ... while it is still helpful - our administration and all the talking heads on cable TV are not being truthful - because they now NEVER mention that the Vaccinated will still be contagious - just like ISRAEL. There is another Doc on RUclips who is very level headed, Dr. Mike Hansen - and he just had a fellow Doctor and friend on his video - who had HAD COVID, WAS FULLY VACCINATED ... very healthy, ran and trained for marathons and appeared to be under 30 - and he thought he was bullet proof.
▶▶ BUT he went to an open air concert crowded with MASKLESS people - shoulder to shoulder ..... and a few days later - he was hit with COVID a 2nd time and became very ill. If he had been older and not as fit ... he very likely would have been hospitalized.
WOW ... so much for lasting immunity ... he had BOTH natural COVID antibodies, vaccine antibodies ... and only took his mask off outdoors . . . and he became seriously ill with a second round of COVID.
If we want to get rid of this COVID "plague" ... everyone needs to mask up. But the CDC and other organization are now afraid too - for fear of Trump's base becoming more aggressive and hostile - because when the CDC 'surprised' EVERYONE by telling masked people they could remove their masks - it is now almost impossible to get them to put them back on.
There was massive confusion about masks at the beginning - which easily could have been communicated better with just a few words ....
"AT THIS TIME, we do not recommend mɑsks ... we will give you any updates or changes when we know more about how this COVID 19 is spread."
WOW those few words were all their were needed to make people understand that mɑsk guidance was still be researched and evaluated - and it would not have turned something so basic .. into an issue that still damages the NIH's credibility to this day.
I have OWNED 2 businesses - for over 30 years - - and we would NEVER have made an absolute, unwavering announcement like that under those circumstances - and had enough common sense to know ... if anything changed their mɑsk guidance - their credibility would be forever damaged - which it was. Same thing about the premature CDC announcement to remove masks if vaccinated - even health professionals had a shocked look on their face when they heard it - and immediately could find numerous problems and questions that were NEVER considered by the CDC - before those words were unleashed on Americans.
SMH!
I love that phrase too. A year-and-a-half ago I was one of the first people I knew to be concerned about the concept of a vaccine. I didn't see how they could have come up with it I didn't see how they were going to do it given how fast coronavirus is typically mutate. Then when they said they finally got it I was distrustful because nobody was explaining just exactly how they managed to do this and could prove it was safe so quickly but as we've gone I've become more and more comfortable because as we Round the Corner to the end of the second year with these vaccines when you include the testing faze, I'm not seeing the negative reaction rate at extremely high level and I'm listening to people like Zdogg who genuinely treat me like a grown adult and speak to me I do I'm educated enough to understand what he's saying which I am. I had covid last year because I'm an essential worker as did my husband. He got his one J&J last week and I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it this week. The biggest reason I've turned around and changed my opinion is because the alt right side seems as fanatical against the vaccine as the alt left is for forcing everyone to have it. I don't like extremes and I find the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
@David K yes I knew that they had said it was based off the SARS vaccine. That's what made me so nervous because when there was talk of vaccine at the beginning of the year last year I started looking into it and found several medical journal articles warning against rushing a covid-19 vaccine based on the SARS vaccine because the Stars vaccine never worked fully and many of the animals died in Trials from antibody enhanced dependence and cytokine storm issues. The fact that they could never get a fully-functioning effective SARS vaccine made me concerned and the fact that they based this one off of it but somehow managed to make it up in a matter of days after receiving the genetic code from the Chinese government made me equally nervous. And yes the lack of animal testing made me even more nervous still. But I waited and waited and we just aren't seeing any issues with cytokine storm or ADE and at some point there comes a moment where you realize that enough time has passed and if we were really going to see people dropping like flies around us we would have started to see something by now. And so while I was nervous at the beginning, I'm becoming far less concerned. I have no doubt that the government and big Pharma are in bed together like nobody's business but it's for the purpose of making money and you don't make money by killing off your clients. Though I do understand people who are very concerned because of some of the things Bill Gates says about population control and using vaccine to control population. That man had some very disturbing ideas and far more money than he needs to implement those ideas so I can understand why people are nervous when his name is attached to things. But it does not take much to realize that he would have had to have paid off millions of people if he was using this particular vaccine for some grand scheme
Your shows with Dr. Gandhi are some of my favorites, for the substantive discussion and for the kindness. Also, I fell asleep listening to this last night and now I want her to read me a bedtime story every night.
What is your response to Dr. Malone's view that having high levels of vaccinated people makes it likely that 'superbugs' can emerge that are resistant to immunity based on vaccines?
Dr. Malone is a grudge toting, petty person who is so butt hurt about not getting credit that he is willing to see many people die for his ego. As to the question of vaccines creating a superbug, that’s absurd. Delta was born in India, before we had Covid vaccines.
@@LarisaAlexandrovna There's actual peer reviewed scientific papers about 'leaky' vaccines causing worse variants.. Do some googling and you'll learn that this vaccine, while capable in reducing hospitalizations and deaths is ultimately going to produce the variants that will get these vaxxed people severely sick down the road
Dr malone is the superbug😏😏😁🤣🤣
@@AaronAubreyPhoto Source?
Dr Fauci created it
Yes! I wish they would tell us who is getting the severe breakthroughs!
The severe breakthroughs?
From what I understand, the very old, and immune compromised, and I'm sure a few younger people
1. Obese+
It’s VERY rare since even breakthroughs account for less that 2% of overall cases with the current delta variant.
@@susanfudge1737 Yes. Breakthroughs that don't just result in a positive test with no symptoms, or a few days of the sniffles.
Which breakthroughs actually land someone in the hospital or the morgue?
There aren't that many. It would be valuable to gather data.
I will say this. This was a great video and this is EXACTLY why i delayed on the vaccine. Look at all this beautiful conversation and information that's being discussed and learned as TIME GOES ON. It takes time. Those that want to wait, have their reasons.... TIME = data analysis
It’s funny how she didn’t mention Israel which has the highest vaccination and also the highest infection rate in vaccinated people.
Except that she did 😂
They did talked about it...Also as someone who has lived in Israel, I agreed with her assessment due to a number of factors unrelated to the efficacy of the vaccine.
@@ZDoggMD did u have any stange dreams after your moderna vaccine? Have you heard of the vivid dreams? I am just now getting back to normal after almost 6 weeks of occasional vivid dreams after moderna shot. Ive read articles about people experiencing this BEFORE the vaccines from last year. Is there somethingnin the virus or covid vaccine that could cause this?
I know Dr. out of the thousands and thousands of comments you get you won’t see this comment, but I’m going to leave it anyway. Over the past week or so I’ve been watching several of your videos. I appreciate your insight and willingness to share current information about our pandemic. It is because of your openness and willingness to see both sides of the conversation that I have finally decided to get the vaccine. I just walked out of Walgreens after receiving my first dose and just wanted to thank you. Keep up the great work.
He's making me think about it. Also reading stories of adamant refusers who end up getting very sick. I'm no doomer but the delta feels bad man.
Best episode yet. Thank you for a clear and informative discussion!
talking about IVM (and molnupiravir) is the test. And they both failed
If you make a vaccine on the Wuhan variant you are increasing the mutation through natural selection. I just can't handle the amount of faulty premise after another
I trust you guys, I’m going to get my first dose of vaccine this week. Thank you.
And what about Israel? They had the highest present of vaccinated people. Why are there so many sick again?
Older people and those with comorbidities will end up in the hospital after contracting the variants.
Except its the opposite here in the us...
Love this conversation! It really helped to understand the hysteria of the CDC and their messaging.
Regarding the point made @53:45 about wouldn’t we rather have a prevention than a treatment, I don’t see as much cognitive dissonance in some people, since to be fair to Dr. Pierre Kory and the Ivermectin proponents, the idea is here to also use it as prevention - namely as prophylaxis, which all of them constantly talk about as well, in fact always emphasizing that prophylaxis is best, early treatment 2nd best. But I‘m happy to see that the conversation never pulls things into ridicule, but instead sticks to understanding. If more people would do that & look at the data more calmly and scientifically with no censorship, both sides would be more open to look at the data with less bias.
Thank you.
Indeed -- there are over 100 patents similar to Iverm as well as natural herbs that you can take to make your own home treatment -- by using herbs that are anti-viral and anti-bacteria -- which is readily available. They didn't seem to mention that.
As an Australian, your impression was spot on, you should do that when you visit to fit right in!… when our country opens up again…
Goddess-you two are Darling! Thank you for all the facts, the compassion, the deeper inquiry, and the beautiful Giggles. I’m So grateful I discovered you yesterday-what a Gift. 💜💙💚
Because shaming the patient worked so well in curbing smoking. (Sarcasm)
Thank you for another informative discussion 😊 I’m double vaccinated but, being honest, I’m still sh*t scared of getting Covid because I have a history of post viral fatigue syndromes. I’ve been certain I’ll get Long Covid.
But I’m getting tired of social distancing and masking, and in England where I live, there are no mandates around this anymore. I feel a bit more confident going out into the world after watching this video. Gotta do it sometime!
Thank you so much for providing some context and depth in a moment where we need it the most - love this channel!
Dr. Monica Gandhi is my favorite guest on your show! You two have such great discussions. And RIP Frodo!
Gah! I love when you two have a discussion!!! Thank you!!!! Everytime I let MSM get into my head just a little bit, BAM! Two of my favorite doctors pop up!
ROTFLMAO 😂 "Trust the government"!
Thats a good one!😒
ROFLCOPTR! HAR HAR
"Trust people." That's an even better one.
I loved this! I could listen to you two talk ALL day.
Difference, small town in TX actually takes care of their poor. After living in the liberal parts for a decade I moved to Texas and noticed they care. I don’t know why it was surprising than it was.
I really enjoy listening to Dr. Monica and I think it’s because she seems so calm and reasonable. Very easy to listen to. Thank you for having her back! Love you too Dr. Z!♥️
Yet she has shamelessly & deliberately lied almost every time she went on the news. I'm calling billshit on her credibility before she does more damage.
If ive caught this live .. all I have to say is .. you both are amazing and thank you thank you for your straight talk .. . a rare gem these days !!
Thank you so much for this! Was feeling all that DooM and GlooM until Dr. Monica Gandhi came back with a message of Love and Hope. I also love what Dr. Z said "Let's focus on the issue" and stop hating people who might have different ideas to solving this pandemic. At the end of the day, we all want this pandemic to end and for people to stop dying. Peace and Love from Malaysia.
Well here in australia thry are saying 70 to 80% vaccinated and will be going back to "normal life" and now you are saying 95% vaccinated because we don't have natural immunity, well that does not sound very encouraging for us here.
The government fucked up this entire country 🤦🏼♀️
I'm in WA, and I think their biggest mistake is messaging, I just can't see how we are going to get 95% of people who trust the vaccine or the government. I think what will happen is that we will have a spike in cases and disease such as NSW is having now and then it will be worse in the unvaccinated. So we need to keep the vulnerable up in vaccination and hope we are in the vaccinated group when it goes through the population if Macgowen will ever allow it into the state that is. But the problem in Western Australia which he isn't saying is that we already have capacity issues with our hospitals. My mum was catagory 2 needing a hip operation and her first booking was cancelled due to no beds available. We have a severe bed crisis over here. Basically it's going to be a mess.
@@dawnhepburn4218 I am in Nsw And you are 100% right the biggest problem is the messaging about thr vaccine the constant change of rules does not help either.
Today the premier said that we are going to see the worst in cases and hospitals being loaded with people in ICU IN a week or so but at the same time she said that the health system here is ready to cop 🤷♀️
Lets hope for the best and lets hope the all states come together to help each other as ONE COUNTRY
@@rebsvalente1884 I'm so sorry that you are in the middle of all this. I hope you stay safe.
@@dawnhepburn4218 thanks mate. Lets hope for the best for all of us
I think that it depends on the goal. In Denmark we are opening up with 71% of the (entire) population fully vaccinated. We are far from herd immunity, but we hope to weather the last storm. As far as I understand the official models predict another million infections and 1000 hospitalizations. As far as I understand the goal is to open up without causing too much strain on hospitals and definitely without running out of ICU beds.
If you want true herd immunity through vaccinations, then you probably need to vaccinate much more than 70% of the population. I don't know the correct number, but I guess that it depends on the vaccine and the behavior of the population. One of the British experts recently claimed that Britain could never reach herd immunity through vaccinations, so everybody should expect to be infected sooner or later. (I wonder if the problem is that AstraZeneca has too many breakthrough infections to create herd immunity)
Breath of fresh air, love these.
How did India get through their huge outbreak? If you look it up, you will see that some provinces sent all of their citizens Ivermectin. If you look at Peru, Ivermectin lowered death rates, until a new administration came in and pulled Ivermectin - then we see death rates increase 14 fold. I really appreciated your conversation here - thank you. It still seems like it is not the full picture. Early detection and early treatment, along with natural immunity, along with vaccinating people (who want it) 65+ and those with preexisting conditions seems like a more reasonable approach.
'the only way we are getting through this pandemic is vaccination' is still yet to be seen. "wouldn't we want to be preventative instead of treatment" YES - agreed. Thank you again!
Is there any discussion of phroyplactic treatment, and early treatment, for covid? Talking about ivomectrin, HCQ, Vitamin D, C, zinc, etc.
Hey, I appreciate what you do! I have a severe neuromuscular disorder and am not comfortable with the current vaccines. What about Novavax? Why isn’t it being made available? I want to be vaccinated, I would get Novavax today if I could. I know many who would take Novavax, so it seems to me if the goal is vaccination, rather than making me take a vaccine that I am not comfortable with, it should be a priority to make a vaccine with 40% fewer side effects available to the hesitant. Please tell us why this is not being done?
I'm with you on that. Wish it was available
But Israel had high vaccination rates too, aren’t they dealing with Delta?
Countries relying on Vaccine immunity not natural immunity will suffer cases before a rebalancing that's why boosters might be fine for very sick people no one else because the very sick will be on boosters forever
Delta=vaccine failure
@@tkogene how to say you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video
🤔 very confusing-
1 vaxx shot= unvaxx
2 vaxx shot = get covid within 14 days= unvaxx
2 vaxx shot -over 6 months =unvaxx
2 vaxx shot -without booster= unvaxx
Vaxx failure??
This new vaxx neither confers immunity nor prevent the spread.
It will however prevent ICU admission and prolong hospitalization.
Help
My two favorite people together on one podcast!
Absolutely!
Z should have introduced this female doctor.
This was the most honest informative podcast I’ve ever listened to! Coming from Australia we have been subjected to misinformation, or no credible information and bullied into vaccination through incredible amounts of pressure.
It’s clear our government haven’t handled this pandemic and the scientific knowledge around immunity and vaccination very well at all. We need our questions answered as we want to UNDERSTAND the process of immunity and how vaccination will improve our quality of life and our chances of remaining healthy during this pandemic.
Thank you both for such an informative honest talk. Feeling the love 💓🙏🏻
As someone from the US I actually wish I lived in Australia. Seriously almost a million people have died in the states due to Covid. I'd rather stay inside, than constantly listen to ambulance sirens even a year later. Hell I wish I lived in New Zealand because people can gripe all they want about the mandates and not going outside, but the death toll is so much lower.
Comorbidity is the key of fatality rate in covid-19 disease but less physician talk about prevent those comorbid anyway. So sad.
"The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will instruct his patients in care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevent disease". ~Thomas Alfa Edison~
Except healthy people too are dying and having severe illnrss
Yes but I really feel that it’s for the extreme. Healthy people are dying too. My husband had covid.I have a chronic iron deficiency so I should be more likely to get ill and severe illness correct? I never got it.. this time. No way to tell how your gonna react healthy or not.
@@animeshock2006 how many in comparrison? Do you know? Everyone seems to have anecdotal evidence of this but there are no stats. This gene therapy called a vaccine will not stop people from becoming sick and being a vector of transmission anymore with the mutant delta variant healthy or not.
@@desireesanchez-hinojos9532 if healthy people are dying then how you explain about the mortality rate are not overpass 80% and chance of survival rate of this disease still above 80% compare to first variant until delta?
I mean not all comorbid can be prevented but many comorbid are caused by a bad life style.
@@fellypieter4238 what I’m saying is healthy people, are dying sick people are dying, people are dying. My 42 year old neighbor, retired US Army just died this week. No health issues. It’s a novel virus. You’d need minimum a 5 year study to make a conclusion. The data is not there.
BTW Denmark ended ALL health tyranny on Friday. No masks, no vacc passports, no plastic barriers, no capacity limits. All shops open normal hours. Night clubs back. Concerts, games, kids in school holding hands, singing, playing. NO MORE DAMAGE to people’s psyche, especially children. Most humane country on earth. I was just there for this historic occasion.
Them and Sweden!
I go through periods when I start to lose hope, and wonder why I bothered taking a four-hour round trip to get my shots. Vaccinated friends are acting like it's 2020 again, when there were no vaccines. This was the video I needed to see today. Although, I'm a little worried that my three-week spacing between Pfizer shots is less-than-ideal based on this conversation.
I'm a Doctor and have seen with first hand knowledge of blood clotting due to spike protein. Administration gets kick-back for COVID Death Certificates. Can you say incentivized? Last time I checked annual flu death are ZERO...can you say mind control? I pass by 2 cemeteries on my way to work and nobody is dyeing to get in...same group of malnourished, unhealthy congregating, no mask wearing homeless on the street corner this morning...don't see them dropping dead and creating an obstacle!
She is amazingly humble, honest and articulate.
that she is. But even just listening to her speak you realise how f'ing complex this issue is. There are so many f'ing variables and things that need to be considered when doing your "research". It really makes you realise that people (on both sides) who say if you do THIS everything will be solved!
especially when she cheri picks data, pretends she's not convinced by studies on IVM, that's not specific enough but the pricey molnupiravir... yummy
“The unvax will get immune”. You say that like you hate to admit it!!
Well, not all of them will survive.
Of course she is. You’ll have to be alive to get immune. I don’t have the vaccine but I also know there could be consequences. Either way their are risks.
I think it is the suffering and death that goes along with acquiring natural immunity in populations…
@@Nelle4ever well if u died from COVID-19, you would not be immuned lol
@@Nelle4ever also not all vaccinated people survive either
It is so great to have this duo together again for a rational update on where we are with these issues. So reassuring.
Thank you for your information. What about Uttar Pradesh and their success in treating with an early treatment kit that included Ivermectin?
I think "breakthrough" cases should be discussed in a more wholistic context because there are interaction effects between antibodies produced by vaccines and our own immunity... they both don exist in isolation... if a person's immunity is compromised, he or she probably has low memory T & B cells (typically true of elderly or unhealthy persons) to replicate antibodies, he or she may more likely succumb to Covid... even with full vaccination
So you are saying that 80-90% of the people in hospital in Israel with covid who are double vaxxed are all immunosuppressed? Also many many people with double doses are dying of covid. One would almost think the vax is ineffective from the numbers.
@@MissCase530 Oh no those people may have weak immunity (weak defence) caused by poor diet or other lifestyle factors but not medically considered immunosuppressed... so the "big elephant in the room" is possibly our own immune system.... another fun fact to think about - every jab of spike proteins (mRNA vaccine) reduces our natural immunity by 15% according to Doctor Ryan Cole
@David K You need to research leaky vaccines vs perfect vaccines. Covid vaccines are leaky and are nothing like original polio vaccines which essentially eradicated polio from the U.S. Look up Marek's disease, leaky vaccines, and how they affected the chicken population.
@David K are you okay with taking a yearly booster for the rest of your life?
@David K that is where this inevitably will go
however, flu shots are not mandated
Incredible. They spend the first half of the interview acknowledging the harm caused by shaming and coercion. And then they come out in support of coercion.
YES! But done in a nice way - hahaha. I love the comment section praising this video, not many critical thinkers left in the world it seems.
Fantastic discussion, as an objective observer, I’m Canadian 😃, my biggest takeaway is that US messaging on Covid-19 is generally awful:
1) Governments try to manipulate their citizens,
2) Agencies post contradictory statements loosing trust and credibility,
3) Politicians… well everything is political in the US
UK, EU governments and Canada are working for the people while the US is in a state of chaos and infighting.
I got a very mild case of Covid-19 this past March and got my second shot in late May. This channel was very helpful and helping me get fully vaccinated. Gracias por todo. Dios lo bendigas.