Inside Fluke - The Measure of Innovation 2015 - Pt 2
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Last week I was invited to Fluke in Everett, Washington. They hosted The Measure of Innovation Summit 2015 which was attended by thermography and reliability experts from around the world.
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The TiX620/640/660/1000 cameras are actually made by Jenoptik in Germany for Fluke.
Sounds like you had fun! Thanks Martin.
I've recently bought a brand new Fluke 87V (two weeks ago) from an official Fluke distributor here in Canada. It was manufactured in April 2015 as per the label on the box it came in. And on that box it says "Made in US", on the yellow holster it says "Made in USA" (molded into the rubber). But on the DMM itself, there is no mention anywhere of where it is made. Which leads me to believe that lately the 87V are being made outside the USA, but probably still being calibrated there. I think there's a law in the USA that prevents a manufacturer from writing "Made in USA" on their product if it's not. So, the yellow holster is made in USA, the cardboard box that it came in was printed and made in US, but probably not the 87V meter itself, nor the cheapish leads and probes that it came with.
The simple fact that there is now a less expensive Chinese version of the 87V called the Fluke 87 VC (reserved for the China market, but identical in every way to the american version except for the added C on it), leads me to believe that all Fluke 87V dmms are now produced in China, not USA. But the high price remains the same for the "american" model.
They actually do some of this tests with flashlights too. Take Fenix for example, drop tests, whater tests and all sorts of testing. Thanks for sharing :)
thanks for all the details!
Very interesting indeed, thanks.
(This video has been up for some 8 hours and no sign of Dan, hope he's ok! :) )
This was an interesting video. thanks.
Oh dear - the Calibratory 'standard'. There's a huge thread on EEVblog with the 'designer' chiming in on how this design is a gift passed down to him from God and us mere mortals will never understand why the particular construction (you'll see when you open it up) is required for ultimate performance.
Is there any Fluke 87V successor coming soon?
The 9Hz thermal imager limit is pretty stupid because it's not exactly impossible to snipe people with 9Hz video. Plus any government could easily buy gear in USA and smuggle it out so you only limit it for people complying with the law and not for elements that are willing to kill. And if it's a firmware limit it could be modified by moderately competent people once and for all.
People who do not allow cameras in their production line have usually something dirty to hide...
Ernst Stavro Blofeld Yes, it's usually called a competitive advantage. I remember a story about a US machinery manufacturer showing a group of Chinese visitors around their factory years ago - six months later a significantly cheaper clone was being produced....
ck m As far as I remember, did not the Americans start the industrial revolution, nor invent the first machine. Was the clone better? Remember that the customer is king, not the manufacturer.
PS: Did the Chinese bring their cameras filming the whole manufacturing process?
As for the Fluke church services (hallowed be the prices) all the hubbub aside, the simple truth is that a Fluke87V is simple 1980s technology at 1950 prices.
Their safety claims are entirely dishonest. Fluke's only merit is decent calibration but that's not something that costs anything to do. It's just unfortunate that the lower cost makers don't bother as much with that. If UT made that effort they would have strictly superior products at 1/6 the cost yet it would still be 1980s tech, just more reasonably priced. If UT actually did some good mdoern engineering it would have serious oscilloscope functionality and component characteristic graphing at sub 100$. Million count precision is also quite trivial. The DMM market is extremely stagnant.
Dan Frederiksen as for calibration, the inbuilt accuracy of the A to D of even the cheapest DMM these days, including UT, is rock solid and reliable, they dont have pots on any decent one these days, the only thing it comes down to is being certified for both accuracy and safety, the bit of paper, not so much the device, everything is run on paperwork these days, someone has filled in a safety form hence it is deemed safe. Plus this is america we are talking about, fluke is more and more made in china, and the middle executives who are less and less technically able have to fluff their sales pitch to justify their income
jusb1066 I agree with the AD quality but I don't agree paperwork is important although bureaucrats might agree. It's all about the device qualities. I don't care about external labs if the company delivers themselves. And CE and such don't guarantee accuracy anyway. That's just a base don't burn down the house standard.
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yes, much of what fluke does, is please the bureacrats, and I agree that CE is pretty poor, often meaning more often "china export" that european compliance!, TUV i think offered something along the lines of a testing standard for europe, there are british standards, but its all confusing! lol perhaps the CAT ratings are not so bad after all! :}
jusb1066 the problem isn't CE. The problem is that the Fluke lackey implies that it's a divine badge and no one else has it. He's using the rigged 4$ meter as a strawman to represent anything that dare be less overpriced than Fluke. It's the same deeply irrational bias that Dave used to have that anything produced in china has to be bad and massively overpriced decadent evil western corporations are saints. And so many sheep fall in line because they get a good feeling when they hold the large firm meter between their legs and stroke it.
Satan himself attends Fluke seminars for pointers :)
But interestingly I think me being the boy who points out that the emperor has no clothes might be what made them do these propaganda tours. Notice the monster bs title: the measure of innovation. What innovation...
Even though these are small niche channels on youtube and I'm just a single voice, whenever the truth is spoken it has a nasty sting. Whenever I say Fluke87V is massively overpriced 1980s technology they squirm because it's true. Whenever Dave loses an argument about it and it lingers, they suffer. And rightly so. May they burn. Or better yet, shape up.
Do compact high precision quality meters with serious oscope functionality that retail at 99$. Then I will be a Fluke fan. Then I will see the brand as the quality hallmark they want to be.
And if they do it right they can still have 200% markup.
I like the illusion that Fluke pretends to be and that many sheep swallow but I'm entirely too intelligent to believe it unless they actually become it.
It's a nice looking logo. The cases have good looks. There just isn't any substance to match the price.
If they do quality scopemeters it would be interesting if they could be chained so you have multiple isolated synchronized channels. Depending on how costly that is to do well. But at least basic oscope functionality in a meter today. As well as graphing of components. Including inductors and high voltage diodes.
And any engineer suggesting they should stick with 9V alkaline gets a bullet to the head. 18650 lithium or other lithium but commodity cell is likely good. Let's move out of the 70s.
jusb1066 It's not about the accuracy of the A to D, it's long term stability and reliability. The UT meters I have are junk, ok for a quick sanity check, but I couldn't ever trust the readings.
Really too bad if that amount of thorough testing doesn't happen to automotive junkl, or everyday simple device junk now (ei:a simple reliable washing machine less plastic crap and no computer after all computer and water and chemicals don't mix anyway). Why is electronics hit so hard... it makes NO sence at all anymore to me..