Woodturning - Are Pine Burls Worth Buying?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Woodturning - In this video I attempt to turn a pine burl but encounter a ton of issues when I try to complete this bowl. So the question is, are pine burls worth buying? As always, please like and share, thanks!
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It was nice to see how that burl looked when you attempted to turn a bowl.. That pitch is really crazy! Love the teaching moments about why you don’t turn pine burls. Keep up the good work, love your videos!
Thanks so much!
Thanks for the info on this Jim. I had a cedar burl that was very similar to this piece last fall. I felt bad when I had to pitch it in the fire, now I don't feel so bad. Misery loves company.
Yup, lol. Thanks for watching
I agree totally, have had the same experience
Definitely interesting, I've turned one small pine burl and it turned out okay. I've got one about the same size as this one and I've been hesitant to turn it. This basically solidified my decision
Firewood, lol. Thanks
I worked with alot of white pine and yellow pine when i was working for a stairbuilding company and i always loved the smell of the pine. I made alot of cool projects on my own time out of white and yellow pine. I loved working with wood.
Thanks for watching!
I've turned most of the wood in the north east, the only pine I've had come out nice was way over 100 years old. I still had major finishing issues with softness between the rings. Like the way you think though, it's always worth a turn. Thanks again Jim.
Thanks for sharing!
Don't Apologize , It's part of the Work. The More Important thing to take away from this is that You at least " Attempt " to give the customer what they would like. But you don't pull any punches, if it isn't going to happen you let the customer Know, And That is what is more important. And that is the Attitude that people will remember, and have MORE of a desire to Buy from you, WHY? Because YOU are HONEST with them. And that is what Makes for GOOD Business. Cheers, Enjoy the Channel And will continue to watch..... All the way from Nova Scotia 👍👍👍
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Interesting video. To bad that burl did not work out. I live on the East Coast lots of pine trees in New England where I live. And I don't recall seeing very many pine burls compared to other trees in my area. Most of the burls I see are on hardwood trees, I just started turning last year and have been warned to stay away from pine because of the pitch problems. But I still will play around with some pine framing lumber scrapes. It is free and if I screw it up it is OK, LOL.
Free is good, thanks.
Great video, I learn a lot from you. I want to learn to wood turn but my hand may not make it possible but it doesn’t stop me watching amazing turners like yourself.
Thanks for watching
I carve my old Christmas trees into ornaments for the house and for the kids at school so I can understand the smell you're refering too. I deal with shellac after a quick sanding and it helps to minimize the smell and the loss of wood. No where in the scale you are dealing with, but it might keep the piece tighter. In the deeper voids I would use multiple coats. Just make sure it's not the amber as I am not a fan of the colour.
Edited to add: it would take multiple coats of shellac to seal the piece but I would give it a shot. Even if you do just the pitch to seal it so the rest can be sanded. Still going to go thru some sandpaper, but not as much or as fast/bad.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for showing us the burls and explaining the problems of working with it.
You bet! Thanks
You couldn't have made this at a better time for me; I was recently gifted some quite large pine burls. I appreciate knowing what to look for.
Good luck, lol. Thanks
I absolutely hate that you feel like you're talking to much. I love the educational value you give. I have shared your site to my family and have received excellent responses.
I think most do approve, just the odd hater out there, haha. Thanks
Always appreciate the educational info, even without a beautiful, finished piece at the end.
Thanks again!
Thanks for showing the ones that don't work too. It's one thing to hear it won't work, it's totally different to see why. We appreciate it
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Jim for this demonstration, it’s part of what makes your channel unique, showing what doesn’t work or goes wrong.
Thanks 👍
Back to basics, education is always welcome 🥰 thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching
Very interesting video today. I've avoided pine like the plague over the years ever since during one turning I was covered in sap by the end. Nothing but hardwoods since. Lol
I actually forgot to mention that as well, lol. Thanks
Thanks for your honesty regarding the pine burl. Hopefully viewers will accept your reasons for not wanting to turn the pine.
Always! Thanks
When I first started turning, I thought using Pine to learn with would be cheap and easy. Boy, was that a frustrating experience. Darn near stopped, but then I got my grubby mitts on some Walnut and Maple.... very eye opening.
I recommend using soft maple or birch to start turning, thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video, as a relatively new turner, I have seen many videos and books that say don't turn pine but none have really shown/explained why. And I can't forget, Designer Epoxy!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the educational video Jim. It's not always about the beautiful pieces you produce, but the why and how that you always seem to provide through your videos. Thanks for the bonus video this week.
My pleasure! Thanks!
I can see your reasoning with these two pieces but I have had some amazing bowls with Pine. I turn pine because I have an endless supply of it, free, as well as aspen. A lot of them I end up resin stabilizing with dye before final turning to toughen them up. I'd love to do some hardwood but it is so expensive to buy. I do have some black walnut, elm, crab apple drying but they are not ready yet. Jim, I love your candid videos, the education and your work. Thanks so much for taking the time to record what you do. Designer Epoxy
Thanks for watching!
Where I grew up was surrounded by pine trees and my Mom couldn't figure out why I always had a cold. Yup, not a cold as it turns out I'm allergic to pine and pine pollen. Ironically, I tend to love things made with pine. I know, absolutely no logic there, huh? So I was sad to see you couldn't make this one work but I get why. Nice try though, Jim. 💜
They’re only good for the pine cones, lol. Thanks!
Very educational. A great example of the perils of soft wood.
Many thanks!
Everything you do here is beautiful and creative. I am amazed every time I watch one of your videos.
Wow, thank you!
I loved the thumbnail for this video! The coloring and shape of burl got me curious for sure!
Awesome! Thank you!
Seeing it , along with explanation of the issues really does help us understand the problems and potential hazards that could arise from turning such a piece.
Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I've seen others use a torch and burn the pitch and kept on working. Sometimes they had to torch it again, but in the end, it was fine and able to be sanded and finished.
Thank you very much!
Burl #2 looks like you can pop the center out with a pry bar, instant bowl with no turning required! :)
Possibly, lol. Thanks
Thank you for posting this. While the turning may not have been a success for you, it was an educational moment for me and many other fans.
Thank you very much!
You gave it a good try! I'm not a wood turner but certainly appreciate the education content you always provide, even when it doesn't result in something gorgeous at the end. :) Love the videos!!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks!
I've never tried to turn pine, but that pitch was crazy. Glad you posted this one, possibly saving me (and others) some headache down the road.
Thanks for watching!
Interesting information and lesson here.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks
Thanks for letting us know. It's one thing if you're just doing turning as a hobby but for people who want to earn extra cash and cover expenses for materials. Knowing about the business side as well you help people make wise choices. Especially were to spend your money for improving your business or You Tube channels. I watched someone last night who should have upgraded sound equipment instead of buying fancy little disks to place on their merchandise.
Lol, thanks for this!
I'm not a turner, but I love watching you create stunning works of art, and learning about wood turning. I live in Georgia, and grew up in a pecan orchard. Have you turned pecan wood?
I haven’t, doesn’t grow here in Canada. Thanks for watching
@@SpragueWoodturning , I live in NC , home of pecans. I think they have the same softwood issues as pine. Bees won't hive in a pecan tree either.
Used to park under a pine tree at my grandparents’ farm. Pine sap ruined the paint on my car after a while. I swore I’d never have a pine tree, then bought a house with 7 of them. Luckily Hurricane Katrina took care of them for me.
Only trees I’ll never regret cutting down. 😮
They are beautiful, but definitely mess makers!
Designer Epoxy
Yes, and you can’t grow anything under them either. Thanks for watching
Extra Special Bonus Content Thanks 🎉🎉🎉
Clear Resin. Ok, maybe not for a purist.
Not worth wasting the money on it. Thanks
This bonus video was definitely an education I didn't know I needed.
Thanks 😊
Thanks for the info now i know why I was told to bake the pitch out of pine before you use it.
Don’t waste your time and money, lol. Thanks
Hopefully you save other folks some frustration, and some sandpaper. I love how you share your experience so freely.
Thanks for watching!
I always watch woodturning before I fall asleep and I am so tired I just needed a quick blast of the lathe to send me to sleep. This was perfect and really interesting. All the best
Glad to help! Thanks
Yes, it's really good that you show us the good, the bad and the ugly on your channel. It really helps a person prepare for the reality of this kind of endeavor, which is really important, given what a serious investment it is to even start! Thank you.
I get that this is more opinion than fact; that you prefer avoiding them, even though some might find it worth the struggle. Hopefully that point is not lost on the pine-lovers watching!
I hope so to. I just processed another one for this weeks video. It will be interesting to see if it works out or not, lol. Thanks
Im glad you posted this video. Ive never turned any pine before so its good to see the problems associated with it
Thanks for watching
Thanks for showing this. Good to see things like the separation of the rings pointed out.
Thanks for watching!
I am glad you posted this video. I liked reading other people's comments and questions and your response as those were my questions too. Very informative!
You are so welcome! Thanks
Agree with you about avoiding pitchy softwood, even burl. I understand boiling the wood can help improve its turn-ability. And it kills the bugs. An alternative is scrubbing the pitch pockets with detergent which dissolves the pitch.
Acetone works well to. Thanks
@@SpragueWoodturning …I was wondering that myself….if there was a way to remove the pitch…even if you then needed to use epoxy to fill the voids…hmmmmm…dunno if it’s worth the work….
Very interesting and happy to have a bonus video. I am not a turner but love watching you.
I appreciate that! Thanks
Jim, a few years back I had a commission to turn a bowl from a very large balsam burl that came from a vacation property in Vermont that was special to a lady her son owned, like you pointed out the grain was very disappointing with no figure but so stable that after a few weeks of no distortion I told them it was ready after initially telling them that i'd have to twice turn it which could take months, it sure did smell good though.
I get talked into those types of jobs too, lol. Thanks
One of things I really enjoy about your channel is that you explain the business side of turning. Very few turners on RUclips do that. Even though I don’t plan to become a professional turner, I do plan to sell my work and the lessons you share from your years of experience are very helpful and inspiring. Thank you Jim!
Stuart
I appreciate that! Thank!
At least you tried...
Not a turner (but I did make some cabinets/end tables & shelving in the past), your explanations make perfect sense.
Thanks for watching
Another aspect of woodturning I had no clue about, very interesting to see. Thanks so much for the bonus vid!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks
Thanks for the education here. I’ve yet to turn a burl but now I know what to avoid! Designer epoxy :)
Thanks for watching!
At least you tried. Definitely interesting to see the difference between different types of wood.
Thanks for watching
It is a good educational video. I've never seen the delamination. Thanks Jim.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks
Appreciate the honesty and the teachable moments.
Thanks for watching
Im sorry your prospective client but you have extensive experience and you are an honest man and you were a square shooter with the man and Im sure, despite being disappointed, he was glad you were honest with him.
Thanks Jim for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for explaining all of this ... may need to watch this again to cement the learning
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
i have a large Fir burl that is showing lots of ring shake and pitch. I haven't had the heart to put it in the wood stove, but I think that is where it will end up. Thanks for sharing.
Not even good firewood, lol. Thanks
Hi Jim thanks for showing the white burl before you started to turn it. I enjoyed you explaining about the pitch and rings it was very interesting I enjoy all your information you give on your videos I find it useful.sorry you was unable to make anything out of this burl due to the pitch. Amanda x
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks
Living in Montana there is a lot of pine available. I learned to turn using pine. I have since learned to move on to other species. Thanks for your honest opinion.
Thanks for sharing!
Great lesson for me since I'm such a newbie and am being offered pine burls by my logger friends (I'm in the Pacific Northwest) all of the time. Now I know not to waste my limited shop space storing them to turn! Thank you!
If there free, give them a go, can’t beat free. Thanks
Jim, I have not turned pine at all, your right, to much pitch. I have done several cedar burls and have had no Issues. Awesome info as usual.
Thanks 👍
I have never seen that much pitch in wood. And the layers was just crazy. Thx for the info and take care.
Designer Epoxy
Thanks for watching!
Jim: good info about the pine gum. I started out turning pine, because it was free and cheap. Very easy to learn on also. Having it fly off of the lathe is always an issue due to its softness. I stained my projects and then coated them in urethane. They came out nice and they were light. Take care and stay safe. PS: I have run across Eastern Larch groves up by Bissett Creek area while I was ATVing.
Good to know, thanks.
Thanks for taking the time to explain your choices. I definitely learned some things 👍
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!
When I saw the burl cut in half, the grain looked like an onion to me. Pretty cool, really. Enjoyed your video again. Thank you for the effort you put forth on each video.
A lot of burls look like that. Thanks
Been there and not again . We have property in Cloyne not that far from you . Spent most of the summer/fall cleaning up after the tornados . Lots of every wood for the sawmill and a lifetime of turning , so thanks for the insperation and tips , I will for sure stay tuned in . Also showing your links to the Durham Woodworking Club of which I am a member .
Sounds great! Thanks
Thank you for showing the problems with pine very interesting.
No problem! Thanks for watching
Wow. Not I will ever turn wood like you do, but what a great lesson. Luckily I only have one pine on my small place( 5 acres) 90 %is maple, then sweet gum, then birch, and a few oak and one black walnut which I hope to cut down this year. Yuk!
Yucky walnut, lol. Thanks
Every day is a school day. So interesting 🌞
Thanks for watching
I live in Maine, The Pine Tree state and have never been inspired to turn anything because of the pitch problem. I also work night maintenance for a local sawmill. Pine lumber of course.👍
It must be a nightmare to keep the pitch off the blades rollers and such! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. I Have taken on board your comment about pine burl and will avoid them. appreciate this quick video. thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the continued education. Thanks as always. Stay well. Designer Epoxy
Thank you! Cheers!
Always enjoy the educational side of your videos
Glad you like them! Thanks
Enjoy all content from you, Jim!
Thanks 😊
I've turned larch wood before for pens. It's extremely pretty. I didn't have an issue with it. I'll try to find pics of it or do a quick video of turning a new one. Also I'll send out your pods next week. I got sick and feel horrible. I also have so much to do in the shop that it's driving me crazy not to be down there. But I can't turn if I'm throwing up 😂
Well that’s no good, could put the trash can beside the lathe, haha. Get better soon!
Designer epoxy ..I recently mistakenly picked up half a pickup bed of pine or fur . I turned 14 inch bowl to finish (very wet) no sanding but I have done some bowls with the sandblaster and I will try that and see how it goes before I split up the rest for the fire pit. Thanks again for all the information good and bad.
Thanks for watching!
I always appreciate your videos, whether they are a finished product or not. They are very educational to me.
Glad you like them! Thanks
You’re the man for trying it. I’d have to have said thanks but no thanks.
Yup, totally! Thanks
Good to know, putting that in the vault.
Thanks Jim
Glad to help, thanks
Thanks for taking the time to edit and share this video. I appreciate your showing the good, bad, and ugly.
Thanks for watching
Thank you for the warning about Pine/Spruce burls. Designer Epoxy
No worries, thanks for watching!
My dad used pine but it was sandwiched between hard woods when he turned of course this was before your time and mine as well. He would cut up blocks of light and dark and glue them together.
Thanks for sharing.
Pine type woods can look nice, but like you said it can be difficult to work with. I have turned a few things from pine and came out great just never a burl yet, but I will if someone gives me one😂. Great video explaining the things to look for.
Thanks for watching
So sorry it didn't work out. But it is definitely a good learning experience. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Your videos are always mesmerizing!
Glad you like them! Thanks
Thanks for the video. Im very new to wood turning and this will help me avoid some issues!
Glad to hear it! Thanks
Well, this is something different, but I like that you do videos like this as well
Thanks for watching
I do appreciate the educating aspect of your videos
Thanks James!
I acquired (free) some spruce burl a few weeks ago. Now wondering if it is even worth turning. After seeing your video, I will give it some thought before I waste my time. Thanks for the info Jim. Designer Epoxy.
Try them, you never know! Thanks
It was a learning experience. We won't be out looking for that.
Definitely, thanks!
A great educational pine burl explanation.
Thanks 😊
Very informative! I have tried the pine and spruce burls I pick up from the local tree trimmer, and 9 our of 10 times, the juice ain't worth the squeeze, but as a hobbyist, not too big of a deal. If I wasted 8 hours of productive shop time, I would be quite put out... :-) DESIGNER EPOXY - gotta give the entry a try! - I really do enjoy all your content.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the video and the lesson about what is worth turning and what is absolutely worthless. Oh, and Designer Epoxy.
Thanks for watching!
Ok that is one interesting piece of wood. Thank you for sharing this with us. It gave me a better understanding of wood burls and what to look for. Great job. Thanks again
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks!
Thanks for the lesson. I am surrounded by pine trees, but just haven’t seen any burls on them yet. Now I don’t feel like I’m missing much.
You’re not, thanks!
Honestly, I’ll watch you turn anything, and I learned a lot. Thank you!
Thanks 😊
The pitch stripes make an interesting visual effect. If it were safe to turn, I could see it becoming a very rustic unfinished planter.
I think pine is toxic. Thanks
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Very good information here Jim about the pine burls.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks
Thanks for sharing. Before you even mention the aroma of the wood, I thought how lovely to have that pine smell. I love the aroma of wood. ❤ designer epoxy
Thanks for watching!