The first seagliders to arrive in New Zealand will be the zero-emission Viceroy, which is a 12-seater version. It is expected to enter service by 2025. The next generation Monarch seaglider will seat 100 passengers and is expected to enter service in 2028.
So they want to run them from Christchurch to wellington how many whales and how many days a week do you think they will be able to run with the swells ?
2025 is mere weeks away and we have yet to see anything resembling a full size prototype. It's going to be years before this properly gets off the water.
Has the same problems as hovercraft. Though steerage will be direct and powerful in water it will have to be fly by computer to counteract roll and pitch in cross current plus crosswind conditions.
Would be pretty cool to see in our lifetimes! If you haven't seen the Jetson One, it's still a few years away from being mass produced, but is another cool flying concept we've seen, super cool stuff! ✈️ Really cool animations too by the way! 😊
Formula 1 has done a lot of research on ground effect, as far back as the 70s, only their concept is flipped relative to aircraft, since the goal is to create downforce, not lift.
It seems like the foils would take a beating, water is hard at high speed. If they could take the stress, especially in rough seas that would be good. Maybe retract for landing, deploy for takeoff.
There are a lot of good ideas on how to approach the ground effect physics. Experienced in a longtermed R&D in Tandem W.I.G solutions, we know, that having a concept, some calculation with an usual construction program added by a new nice design is not enough for controlling the difficult ground effect physics. There must be done a lot of research and testing, controlling the results and approaching the best solution. This takes years and a hell of money.
It is far easier and cheaper now than ever before to develop these craft. Especially for hobbyist/small companies. R&D is cheap and easy in comparison to days gone by- especially in the area of flight control and data collection. And light weight strong materials and automated prototype machines are more affordable and available than ever.
There are quite better CAD Programs but the physics behind, the right maths and the experience of treating "ground EFFECT" is still a miracle.Things are treated with the principle of trial and error...
This could be useful to a company with traditional sea vessels. But as stated in the video ground effect craft are super sensitive to rough weather so could only be utilized when the seas are calm. Here's the rub, what happens when the weather changes quickly and your 100 miles from your destination. These craft don't do well landing in rough seas. So there is a higher degree of cost analysis associated with these craft and only top tier carriers could even consider the risk of moving into this technology.
The weather limitations are overstated. Higher waves means high winds, which only helps these get aloft easier. Who wouldn't love a guaranteed 40kt headwind, and never a crosswind landing?
I would imagine like small boats, the operators need to be constantly aware of weather conditions and will return to port when it looks like the weather is going to change soon.
Wave height and sea state is always brought up, and always overstated. The Widgetworks ships and the Lippish GEVs they derive from can fly either briefly or completely out of GE. Alexyev says the Lun planform ships can fly if equipped for it, or operate above 6 meter waves, which is horrible weather that stops just about anything else. The Shinmaywa seaplanes operate in 4+ meter waves, which means 40kt winds. They love it, since it's a 40 kt headwind and never a crosswind for take-off or landing. Turning radius is a silly objection. Who expects a ship at 80+ kts to have a tight turning radius? Who would operate it at such speeds if other traffic is around? On the water, the video shows one GEV using wing-tip "strikes" for aiding the turning radius, and video of the Widgetworks ships and others show them actively doing so. At low taxying speeds, they turn in their own length. As late as a year ago, Russia was still providing funding for development of logistics GEVs. Also see the DARPA effort called "Liberty Lifter" for a GEV/plane for ~100ton cargo, to operate as a seaplane/GEV and for extended operations away from dedicated infrastructure. Ready temporary basing at forward areas, or from any ship that can provide fuel (any warship). See the 2020 article by USNI "Modern Sea Monsters" urging such things. USAF SOC said earlier that by the end of 2022, they intend to fly a test version of the C-130 on floats.
As a resident of New Zealand I’d like something with a little know a lot more range how about a hydrogen fuelled long-range version so I can avoid airline travel otherwise some similar technology would be interesting cheers
small float on the sea and line up to non powered glider plane that moves up like a kite and backwards cos float moves but has some resistance too from the water...could work
Look, there is a reasonable argument for using hydrofoils in the takeoff process to lift the nose of the craft out of the water to reduce drag and allow it to pick up enough speed for the ground effect to take it the rest of the way out of the water, but these companies have provided no explanation as to how their designs will solve any of the problems with ground effect crafts, and only one has a working model. This is from someone who has full faith in ground effect crafts and really want to see a full scale ocean liner built for trans Atlantic and trans Pacific travel. I want a real and genuine effort outside a pathetic cash grab with 3d renders of designs that clearly won't work.
Lots of people will use these to avoid the TSA line and search at regular airports. Who wants to see their baby X-rayed or grandma being patted down or strip searched?
Hopefully nice sunny places will have landing zones that are using sea water and solar for electrolysis to make hydrogen and that can used maybe to power a torch that can spin a turbo that can spin an alternator, or boil water for steam turbine? Electricity to charge modular battery to swap n go with minimal cost to nature?
Not going to work and here is why: - works in calm waters only, have rough sea and you have to fly not glide, hence battery dead, no power etc. - once you are in gliding mode the turning curve is giant, see obstacle? What do you do? cant turn away. - amount of power required to get this thing going at the start is huge, need batteries to be very powerful, heavy and then again powerful. - USSR tried it on military vessels, even they found it too expensive and too many flaws. Just prototypes made.
if i owned a logistics companyit would be a gev company moving freight and passanger. The only thing is landing gear has never been put on gevs and the landing is hard enough to break a back so aquatic landingear has to be created - that shouldn't be a problem.
Some people/companies are burning money and wasting time. This type of vessel is great for leisure, but terrible for transport as they are subject to the weather.
@@JoeGator23 I don't see why not, since there's already sailboats that you can do that with. Plus add a regen type electric motor ( saildrive ) and you get basically free energy from the wind, no need to ever charge the battery, since your motor becomes a generator in strong wind sailing conditions.
@@JBS319 so, yes. But you all think that's OK because it's equivalent to a boat? Nice whataboutism! Certainly seems this passenger vessel may need some regulation.
Wig aircraft have way more potential... if any of you MIT "engineers" bother to explore the concept in detail. There are three different classes of GE craft, the third of which can fly as an airplane. There is also a long list of companies that have failed trying to do what you are endeavoring... sadly, this overpriced toy will join the ranks once the 2022/2023 recession hits. There are already better ideas out there.
i see low effort ... the only work that has been done here is by a few guys sitting down ..... add to that .. a high wing ground effect craft .. get ready to be crucified by the experienced guys
I'm honestly not so sure about that. They may lose a couple feet of usable ground effects, but the longer wing more than makes up for that, and a more traditional wing design could give them the ability to make short hops out of ground effect flight without stalling. The high wing and multi prop design also adds extra lift due to prop wash, while the hydrofoil allows for more maneuverability when traveling well below stall speed. Overall this seems like a fairly sound engineering project, but we'll wait and sea.
Ya need to fly a bit higher tho, legit, or yer crashes will be badder than avoidance would be certainly? By flying higher fer sure to avoid collisions duh!
The first seagliders to arrive in New Zealand will be the zero-emission Viceroy, which is a 12-seater version. It is expected to enter service by 2025.
The next generation Monarch seaglider will seat 100 passengers and is expected to enter service in 2028.
So they want to run them from Christchurch to wellington how many whales and how many days a week do you think they will be able to run with the swells ?
This is whisfull thinking
2025 is mere weeks away and we have yet to see anything resembling a full size prototype. It's going to be years before this properly gets off the water.
Has the same problems as hovercraft. Though steerage will be direct and powerful in water it will have to be fly by computer to counteract roll and pitch in cross current plus crosswind conditions.
Small RC models use LIDAR and auto stabilization. It's not a problem.
How about 20 foot rollers?
Would be pretty cool to see in our lifetimes! If you haven't seen the Jetson One, it's still a few years away from being mass produced, but is another cool flying concept we've seen, super cool stuff! ✈️ Really cool animations too by the way! 😊
Formula 1 has done a lot of research on ground effect, as far back as the 70s, only their concept is flipped relative to aircraft, since the goal is to create downforce, not lift.
Get Adrien Newey on it lol
Perspective combination.
What about sea glider, with wings and hydrofoils, but also with pushing propeller in the water, not in the air?
As one who suffers from fear of heights, but loves water, I'm all in!
This video conflates sea gliders with WIG craft without hydrofoils, even showing images of one while talking about the other. Just confusing.
It seems like the foils would take a beating, water is hard at high speed. If they could take the stress, especially in rough seas that would be good. Maybe retract for landing, deploy for takeoff.
Waves…?
There are a lot of good ideas on how to approach the ground effect physics. Experienced in a longtermed R&D in Tandem W.I.G solutions, we know, that having a concept, some calculation with an usual construction program added by a new nice design is not enough for controlling the difficult ground effect physics. There must be done a lot of research and testing, controlling the results and approaching the best solution. This takes years and a hell of money.
It is far easier and cheaper now than ever before to develop these craft. Especially for hobbyist/small companies. R&D is cheap and easy in comparison to days gone by- especially in the area of flight control and data collection. And light weight strong materials and automated prototype machines are more affordable and available than ever.
There are quite better CAD Programs but the physics behind, the right maths and the experience of treating "ground EFFECT" is still a miracle.Things are treated with the principle of trial and error...
Thank You for your great wig channel.
This could be useful to a company with traditional sea vessels. But as stated in the video ground effect craft are super sensitive to rough weather so could only be utilized when the seas are calm. Here's the rub, what happens when the weather changes quickly and your 100 miles from your destination. These craft don't do well landing in rough seas. So there is a higher degree of cost analysis associated with these craft and only top tier carriers could even consider the risk of moving into this technology.
The weather limitations are overstated.
Higher waves means high winds, which only helps these get aloft easier. Who wouldn't love a guaranteed 40kt headwind, and never a crosswind landing?
I would imagine like small boats, the operators need to be constantly aware of weather conditions and will return to port when it looks like the weather is going to change soon.
Which one is the sea glider? They show 3 or 4 types of vehicles at random, some of them totally "traditional" ground effect
the one with multiple props on a long wing and horizontal hydroplane ski strutted under it.
Wow. I'm really getting old. I couldn't have even imagined the possibility....
Wave height and sea state is always brought up, and always overstated.
The Widgetworks ships and the Lippish GEVs they derive from can fly either briefly or completely out of GE.
Alexyev says the Lun planform ships can fly if equipped for it, or operate above 6 meter waves, which is horrible weather that stops just about anything else.
The Shinmaywa seaplanes operate in 4+ meter waves, which means 40kt winds. They love it, since it's a 40 kt headwind and never a crosswind for take-off or landing.
Turning radius is a silly objection. Who expects a ship at 80+ kts to have a tight turning radius? Who would operate it at such speeds if other traffic is around?
On the water, the video shows one GEV using wing-tip "strikes" for aiding the turning radius, and video of the Widgetworks ships and others show them actively doing so. At low taxying speeds, they turn in their own length.
As late as a year ago, Russia was still providing funding for development of logistics GEVs.
Also see the DARPA effort called "Liberty Lifter" for a GEV/plane for ~100ton cargo, to operate as a seaplane/GEV and for extended operations away from dedicated infrastructure. Ready temporary basing at forward areas, or from any ship that can provide fuel (any warship).
See the 2020 article by USNI "Modern Sea Monsters" urging such things.
USAF SOC said earlier that by the end of 2022, they intend to fly a test version of the C-130 on floats.
you created ssuper footage, amigo. 🌟
As a resident of New Zealand I’d like something with a little know a lot more range how about a hydrogen fuelled long-range version so I can avoid airline travel otherwise some similar technology would be interesting cheers
small float on the sea and line up to non powered glider plane that moves up like a kite and backwards cos float moves but has some resistance too from the water...could work
Look, there is a reasonable argument for using hydrofoils in the takeoff process to lift the nose of the craft out of the water to reduce drag and allow it to pick up enough speed for the ground effect to take it the rest of the way out of the water, but these companies have provided no explanation as to how their designs will solve any of the problems with ground effect crafts, and only one has a working model. This is from someone who has full faith in ground effect crafts and really want to see a full scale ocean liner built for trans Atlantic and trans Pacific travel. I want a real and genuine effort outside a pathetic cash grab with 3d renders of designs that clearly won't work.
Seems great as long as there's good traffic control.
You shouldsee the one I'm designing, single passenger, expect 120 mph hauling 300 x lbs, body weight 200, craft, 6 to 8 hundred
And what about turbulence at low altitude?
Lots of people will use these to avoid the TSA line and search at regular airports. Who wants to see their baby X-rayed or grandma being patted down or strip searched?
Hopefully nice sunny places will have landing zones that are using sea water and solar for electrolysis to make hydrogen and that can used maybe to power a torch that can spin a turbo that can spin an alternator, or boil water for steam turbine? Electricity to charge modular battery to swap n go with minimal cost to nature?
Not going to work and here is why:
- works in calm waters only, have rough sea and you have to fly not glide, hence battery dead, no power etc.
- once you are in gliding mode the turning curve is giant, see obstacle? What do you do? cant turn away.
- amount of power required to get this thing going at the start is huge, need batteries to be very powerful, heavy and then again powerful.
- USSR tried it on military vessels, even they found it too expensive and too many flaws. Just prototypes made.
I wish it was here now!
Inspired by the Soviet Ekranoplan?
Just wait till one takes the upper half off a pleasure yacht!
8 years and still waiting
if i owned a logistics companyit would be a gev company moving freight and passanger. The only thing is landing gear has never been put on gevs and the landing is hard enough to break a back so aquatic landingear has to be created - that shouldn't be a problem.
Several people have made GEV/hovercrafts.
Some people/companies are burning money and wasting time. This type of vessel is great for leisure, but terrible for transport as they are subject to the weather.
What happens if they hit a whale. Is there a chance of the batteries getting wet and catching fire?
Or one of millions of pieces of heavy floating debris?
Its like the Spruce goose
How does it handle in the Pacific Ocean, probably not too good in the open ocean
How about a sea-bound RV made with that concept?
You could live rent-free, so it would likely be banned by the money grubbers. Can't have any of that non-sense.
@@JoeGator23 I don't see why not, since there's already sailboats that you can do that with. Plus add a regen type electric motor ( saildrive ) and you get basically free energy from the wind, no need to ever charge the battery, since your motor becomes a generator in strong wind sailing conditions.
Sounds like a great idea which I'm sure just isn't vaporware. Cough not a new idea. Cough vaporware.
No airport because they would not be subject to TSA regulations? Would these be easy to load bombs onto for terrorist attacks on container ships?
No more so than using a high speed chase boat like what you get off Somalia.
@@JBS319 so, yes. But you all think that's OK because it's equivalent to a boat? Nice whataboutism! Certainly seems this passenger vessel may need some regulation.
Wig aircraft have way more potential... if any of you MIT "engineers" bother to explore the concept in detail. There are three different classes of GE craft, the third of which can fly as an airplane.
There is also a long list of companies that have failed trying to do what you are endeavoring... sadly, this overpriced toy will join the ranks once the 2022/2023 recession hits.
There are already better ideas out there.
The Coast guard may be interested, or how about the original Russian idea; carry a large number of missiles/bombs/sonar buoys across the ocean.
i see low effort ... the only work that has been done here is by a few guys sitting down ..... add to that .. a high wing ground effect craft .. get ready to be crucified by the experienced guys
I'm honestly not so sure about that. They may lose a couple feet of usable ground effects, but the longer wing more than makes up for that, and a more traditional wing design could give them the ability to make short hops out of ground effect flight without stalling. The high wing and multi prop design also adds extra lift due to prop wash, while the hydrofoil allows for more maneuverability when traveling well below stall speed. Overall this seems like a fairly sound engineering project, but we'll wait and sea.
It's STILL an airplane !!!!!
No such thIng as "Zero Emission" EV's
Just wait until you see what I have designed.
Ya need to fly a bit higher tho, legit, or yer crashes will be badder than avoidance would be certainly? By flying higher fer sure to avoid collisions duh!
zoomers came up with an ekranoplan - a technology from the 70s of the 20th century.
It would decrease sinking ship rated by 100%
Hahahaha 😂
Not really practical,and very dangerous.