What's so disturbing about this case is that it doesn't fit the normal motives for murder. No love, money, jealousy, etc. He tried to murder an entire family just because they irritated him. That is chilling
not enough proof to convict her, probably. wouldn't be suprised if she was involved but it'd be hard for prosecutors to make a solid enough case to bring her to trial.
Let it be known that another family member was tested and had traces of Thallium in their body. Wanna know who? A baby. If I remember right it was their granddaughter or niece. She too was also treated but she ended up turning out alright and made a recovery. So he didn’t just poison Peggy, he poisoned most of her family. Peggy was also taken off life support, that’s how she officially died. Her body had taken too much damage, and the medically induced coma only slowed her deterioration very minorly.
"General Poison Guides" made me laugh out loud. I've heard this story before but they completely left out Susan Gorrek's undercover work! You've got a real knack for consice, precise storytelling. Thank you!
Well I guess having an IQ in the top 2% of the population doesn’t preclude you from making an incriminating statement that points directly to the fact you’re the ONLY neighbor anywhere near the victim 🤦♂️
yeah big chunk of the video i think to myslef, wow... how could they figured it out, and when he said they are the only neighbour around, what the fuck echoed through my head
So glad i found your channel, you’re creating some great content with mostly stories i never heard before. Even though i have heard this one before, you still created a very entertaining video. Your channel will definitely blow up soon
Incredible video. I'm very surprised I haven't heard of this guy before. Reminds me a bit about the Tylenol killer a bit. Can't wait for the next video. I've shared your stuff everywhere I can.
@@genericamerican7574 yeah never caught them Honestly it was in the supply chain so it couldn't have been an individual. I strongly believe it was Americans first domestic act of terrorism. Crazy stuff.
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14:17 "after she started feeling sick she drank more coke to try settle her stomach" - who does that?! Obviously I'm not going to blame the victim but apart from the whole incident it's so weird to try and drink more cola after feeling sick. Certainly not the thing to ingest
I don’t wanna be that person but actually drinking flat coke is advised to drink when you’re feeling sick. I was told this when I was pregnant and the only thing that ended up working was a small glass of flat coke in the morning lol
50% of murders in the USA go unsolved, so it was very reasonable to assume he'd get away with it. He got unlucky that his got forwarded to actually competent FBI agents, because local police departments often incredibly incompetent and negligent.
George probably had a social-communication disorder. Based on your description it sounds like he was eccentric, awkward, shy, and had anxieties around communication. He also appears to have sensory processing issues, especially with sound such as with the children's noise and the radio sounds in Peggy's home and in prison. Smart and in MENSA, another clue. His history of flaunting all prosocial measures points to comorbid antisocial personality disorder which is the part of him that committed these crimes. Nothing here excuses what he did and he is vile and awful and thankfully in jail. I am interested in criminal profiles though, and these are the pieces I have put together of this guy's profile.
A few extra points you might find interesting... the boxloads of chemicals & lab equipment mentioned @ 12:05 that George relocated to the Sebring house was mostly for manufacturing LSD, and the FBI found notebooks where George had noted his LSD "recipes" and reviewed each concoction. I suspect that a lot of his sensory issues stem from (or were at least magnified by) the chemicals he'd been partaking in. And he was less the shy, anxious MENSA-type, and more the derisive, abrasive type who looked down on others as intellectually inferior... zero empathy, which made the secret room & bondage gear they found quite disturbing. Susan Gorek did a phenomenal job of navigating his personality & getting close to him as "Sherry".
Here's a comment pretty much summing up me. lol Anyway, there's also a potentially cultural aspect to this too that propelled his fascination with crime. I highly doubt he was accepted in the community except by the nicest of people.
That's fascinating. I agree. There's definitely some kind of imbalance that might be further exacerbated by drugs and devious behavior. I wonder how the profilers figured out his race but they had a pretty good idea about his pathology.
perhaps they see this kind of thing done by a higher percentage of white people than other races. all those profiles are are most likely characteristics of perpetrators, they're not exact
The perpetrator's race was determined by looking at previous, similar cases. Most cases involving covert poisonings have been committed by middle-aged white males. There have of course been cases of blacks, Hispanics, and other races using toxins and poisons to secretly murder people, but by and large poisoning is a white male's method of murder.
I really like your presentation of this case especially the way you introduced the undercover investigator into the story. I first learned of this case from that 90s true crime series with the presenter having a thick NY accent. This was one of the most memorable cases they presented, right up there with the case of the family in Alaska.
It's been a while since I've watched breaking bad, but I don't think that Walter White's primary motive was to poison annoying neighbors. So aside from their expertise in chemistry, I think calling this guy "the real life Walter White" in your video thumbnail is insulting to the fictional Walter White. Other than that, love the video!
Eh... there's too much doubt for me to have convicted. He and his wife were both big into chemistry. Stands to reason they'd have a home lab with chemicals. And what, one detective mystery novel, out of the hundreds in their house, had a plot involving poisoning? Yeah, no, I'm not voting guilty.
@@poindextertunes You usually need much more than that - 'well, then who?', for a criminal conviction. Since then I actually read the judge's appeal rejection, but it's not too illuminating (there needs to be some defect in the procedures, such as evidence wrongly allowed or suppressed; it's extremely rare for a judge to just overrule what the jury decided was 'reasonable' in 'beyond reasonable doubt', even if they should). The most glaring omission is not establishing whether there was a reason for the thallium to be there. Saying it can be used in meth synthesis is extremely flimsy - it's an unusual process to use, and where's the evidence of other substrates/leftovers to show that was actually the synthesis route used?
This is the least convinced I've ever been that they got the right guy. (Which is one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty.) I'd love to know more details about the appeals. I wonder if anything that changes the picture (in either direction) will turn up before or possibly after his death.
The fact he told the cops the same thing from the letter, while being the only neighbour of the family, is pretty much an open and shut case in my opinion. The guy and his wife clearly are the ones who did it, I'm just surprised they didn't give her any time though. He even wrote a book about poisons and how to poison people for crying out loud.
@@aworte3266 That's just part of it. When a neighbor tells you that you're very loud and it bothers them, decent people accept that and try to keep it down. But there are also people like Windwalker88 who would probably say "my land, I'll do what I want" and turn the music louder.
What's so disturbing about this case is that it doesn't fit the normal motives for murder. No love, money, jealousy, etc. He tried to murder an entire family just because they irritated him. That is chilling
Oh, "Mordlust" is also one of the common motifs
The family was actually awful. Very nasty and destructive people.
@@doxasophosmoros That doesn't mean they deserved to die
@@doxasophosmorosand how do you know this exactly? You probably don't! You sound insane. Seek help asap.
@@doxasophosmorosthat’s a bit of an exaggeration. At very worst they were inconsiderate but so are a lot of neighbors
I think a movie should be made about the undercover detective in this case. She was amazing!
she wrote a book about it, forgot what it was called tho.
They did? What's the movie called?
@@WickedPhase no, they didn't make a movie. she wrote a BOOK called Poison Mind.
I'm not sure why Diana was cleared of any wrongdoing, though. It doesn't look like George did this on his own.
not enough proof to convict her, probably. wouldn't be suprised if she was involved but it'd be hard for prosecutors to make a solid enough case to bring her to trial.
George was guilty without a shadow of a doubt, she wasn't. We need to be basically sure, 80% sure doesn't cut it
maybe she was the mastermind from the start haha got rid off her neighbours, husband and stayed completely unaffected
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Let it be known that another family member was tested and had traces of Thallium in their body. Wanna know who? A baby. If I remember right it was their granddaughter or niece. She too was also treated but she ended up turning out alright and made a recovery.
So he didn’t just poison Peggy, he poisoned most of her family.
Peggy was also taken off life support, that’s how she officially died. Her body had taken too much damage, and the medically induced coma only slowed her deterioration very minorly.
Could be that the mother of the baby drank some of the soda then breastfed the baby.
Thank you for another great video! I love the narrator's voice and the way the facts are so cleanly presented :)
"General Poison Guides" made me laugh out loud. I've heard this story before but they completely left out Susan Gorrek's undercover work! You've got a real knack for consice, precise storytelling. Thank you!
I’m just waiting for your youtube channel to start doing numbers, it’s bound to happen soon. Keep it up!
This channel is a gem!
Well I guess having an IQ in the top 2% of the population doesn’t preclude you from making an incriminating statement that points directly to the fact you’re the ONLY neighbor anywhere near the victim 🤦♂️
yeah big chunk of the video i think to myslef, wow... how could they figured it out, and when he said they are the only neighbour around, what the fuck echoed through my head
Having a high IQ doesn't stop you falling victim to arrogance
Intelligence and wisdom are two very different things. He was smart, but arrogant
just because someone's intelligent doesn't make them socially bright. quite the opposite, in a lot of cases.
@@RenegadeContextit does help though, the dunning kruger effect can help show how
Love these Videos as always
so this guy was annoyed by kids having fun
Mysophonia is a genuine condition mix it with psychopathy and you get a bunch of dead people
People dont want to hear asshole children screaming or music being played too loud with no consideration of others
@roberterdei8627 true but committing murder is a little bit ruder than being a loud neighbor.
So glad i found your channel, you’re creating some great content with mostly stories i never heard before. Even though i have heard this one before, you still created a very entertaining video. Your channel will definitely blow up soon
Wow that was pretty crazy. Another awesome video man, it's only a matter of time before you blow up
Incredible video. I'm very surprised I haven't heard of this guy before. Reminds me a bit about the Tylenol killer a bit. Can't wait for the next video. I've shared your stuff everywhere I can.
They never caught the Tylenol poisoner/s if I remember right
Thanks, it really helps him.
Wow that sounded weird
@@genericamerican7574 yeah never caught them Honestly it was in the supply chain so it couldn't have been an individual. I strongly believe it was Americans first domestic act of terrorism. Crazy stuff.
So glad I found this channel. Amazing story telling. Subbed and binge watching all!
I can understand that you get mad at noisy/disrupting neighbours.
There are probably two sides to thid story.
And we found the inspiration behind _Breaking Bad._ Man, what a twist of events, so much for the usual suspects.
Breaking bad similarities for sure. Even down to the underwear.
Not true. Walter White's underpants fully covered his seat.
So the lesson here is - don't drink coca cola!
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Your videos are gold
Your videos are amazing.... keep it up brother. Really enjoying all of them.
Great vid! That plot twist got me good.
Another banger
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I really enjoy your content
What's messed up is I live in a town next to Sebring and I didn't know about this till I watched a crime show with my grandpa
His interest in murder by poison, said like its a bad thing Everyone needs a hobby.
u are underrated af
Wtf I have never heard the meth part of this story that's crazy!
There was also case in soviet union when elderly woman poisoned an entire family with thallium
14:17 "after she started feeling sick she drank more coke to try settle her stomach" - who does that?!
Obviously I'm not going to blame the victim but apart from the whole incident it's so weird to try and drink more cola after feeling sick. Certainly not the thing to ingest
I don’t wanna be that person but actually drinking flat coke is advised to drink when you’re feeling sick. I was told this when I was pregnant and the only thing that ended up working was a small glass of flat coke in the morning lol
You can still buy cola syrup over the counter at many pharmacies for stomach ailments.
50% of murders in the USA go unsolved, so it was very reasonable to assume he'd get away with it.
He got unlucky that his got forwarded to actually competent FBI agents, because local police departments often incredibly incompetent and negligent.
the number may be true, but it includes gang vs gang violence, where honestly - nobody really cares
I don't understand. If he was sentenced to death. Why is he still alive?
Appeals I would assume.
Gee just goes to show a high IQ doesn't always mean you are smart
Ah Mensa…enough said…
George probably had a social-communication disorder. Based on your description it sounds like he was eccentric, awkward, shy, and had anxieties around communication. He also appears to have sensory processing issues, especially with sound such as with the children's noise and the radio sounds in Peggy's home and in prison. Smart and in MENSA, another clue. His history of flaunting all prosocial measures points to comorbid antisocial personality disorder which is the part of him that committed these crimes. Nothing here excuses what he did and he is vile and awful and thankfully in jail. I am interested in criminal profiles though, and these are the pieces I have put together of this guy's profile.
A few extra points you might find interesting... the boxloads of chemicals & lab equipment mentioned @ 12:05 that George relocated to the Sebring house was mostly for manufacturing LSD, and the FBI found notebooks where George had noted his LSD "recipes" and reviewed each concoction. I suspect that a lot of his sensory issues stem from (or were at least magnified by) the chemicals he'd been partaking in. And he was less the shy, anxious MENSA-type, and more the derisive, abrasive type who looked down on others as intellectually inferior... zero empathy, which made the secret room & bondage gear they found quite disturbing. Susan Gorek did a phenomenal job of navigating his personality & getting close to him as "Sherry".
Possibly, but it’s bold of you to assume that he has a disorder with just that evidence alone.
Here's a comment pretty much summing up me. lol
Anyway, there's also a potentially cultural aspect to this too that propelled his fascination with crime. I highly doubt he was accepted in the community except by the nicest of people.
That's fascinating. I agree. There's definitely some kind of imbalance that might be further exacerbated by drugs and devious behavior. I wonder how the profilers figured out his race but they had a pretty good idea about his pathology.
Bruv do you listen to casefiles?
he had too much time on his hands
... and that's why you drink Pepsi.
Jk. Spezi is the way 😊🍷
How did the psychological profiler determine his race?
perhaps they see this kind of thing done by a higher percentage of white people than other races. all those profiles are are most likely characteristics of perpetrators, they're not exact
The perpetrator's race was determined by looking at previous, similar cases. Most cases involving covert poisonings have been committed by middle-aged white males. There have of course been cases of blacks, Hispanics, and other races using toxins and poisons to secretly murder people, but by and large poisoning is a white male's method of murder.
I really like your presentation of this case especially the way you introduced the undercover investigator into the story. I first learned of this case from that 90s true crime series with the presenter having a thick NY accent. This was one of the most memorable cases they presented, right up there with the case of the family in Alaska.
Seems like there was fault on both sides
fascinating
Hi
Love how "white male" was immediately assumed with no reasoning whatsoever. It shows the inherent bias and antiwhiteness in everyday society.
2 years ? That’s it ?
Let's go!
oh god no he needs to grow that beard back that is a bad face
love your videos but I feel like the inclusion of a clip from The Office was a little unnecessary when the video is about something so serious
Get that stick out your ass, sometimes its a great way to ease the tension
Having to hear about “psychological profiles” in internet true crime stories makes me regret getting my degree
What do you mean?
the BAU certainly has its fair share of misses with profiling, but what they do can be helpful to law enforcement.
It's been a while since I've watched breaking bad, but I don't think that Walter White's primary motive was to poison annoying neighbors. So aside from their expertise in chemistry, I think calling this guy "the real life Walter White" in your video thumbnail is insulting to the fictional Walter White. Other than that, love the video!
Or maybe because he was the chemist behind the largest meth lab
he called him the irl walter white cause he used to run a huge meth ring, not cause he poisoned his neighbors. im assuming you missed that part
Walter did poison that kid to get Jessie back on his side. Its a stretch but this guy is THE real life Walter White.
i farted
Uhhhhhhhh
Eh... there's too much doubt for me to have convicted. He and his wife were both big into chemistry. Stands to reason they'd have a home lab with chemicals. And what, one detective mystery novel, out of the hundreds in their house, had a plot involving poisoning? Yeah, no, I'm not voting guilty.
Based on only what was presented here, I tend to agree. But not much was presented, relative to what would be at the trial itself.
then who did it? someone sent the family a threatning letter for them to move who wasn’t their neighbor? lol
@@poindextertunes You usually need much more than that - 'well, then who?', for a criminal conviction.
Since then I actually read the judge's appeal rejection, but it's not too illuminating (there needs to be some defect in the procedures, such as evidence wrongly allowed or suppressed; it's extremely rare for a judge to just overrule what the jury decided was 'reasonable' in 'beyond reasonable doubt', even if they should).
The most glaring omission is not establishing whether there was a reason for the thallium to be there. Saying it can be used in meth synthesis is extremely flimsy - it's an unusual process to use, and where's the evidence of other substrates/leftovers to show that was actually the synthesis route used?
Why he gotta be white?
04:50 1998? But Paggy died 9 years earlier.... oops.
Oops but good ears!
This is the least convinced I've ever been that they got the right guy. (Which is one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty.) I'd love to know more details about the appeals. I wonder if anything that changes the picture (in either direction) will turn up before or possibly after his death.
Even after the circumstantial evidence being so insurmountable?
The fact he told the cops the same thing from the letter, while being the only neighbour of the family, is pretty much an open and shut case in my opinion. The guy and his wife clearly are the ones who did it, I'm just surprised they didn't give her any time though. He even wrote a book about poisons and how to poison people for crying out loud.
I think George Tree Pal is innocent
@LoverBoy999= BOT ACCOUNT
Usually I feel sorry for the victims but as the reasons are revealed, maybe they had it coming.
Right, because loud music and riding land bikes are a great reason for murder.
Thank the lord you are not my neighbor
@@aworte3266 That's just part of it. When a neighbor tells you that you're very loud and it bothers them, decent people accept that and try to keep it down. But there are also people like Windwalker88 who would probably say "my land, I'll do what I want" and turn the music louder.
@I am here For the food Right. I've done that but that's also pathetic. They were causing the problems and you have to move away.
@@incremental_failure the idea that being annoying means you deserve to be murdered is just absurd
He's where he belongs.
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The most harrowing detail about this car is the fact that the couple had bondage paraphernalia. Enjoy that mental image, folks.