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A few years back, an acquaintance was showing off his Elizabeth I tattoo after I saw it poking out from the sleeve of his shirt, and we had a brief discussion. I told him I was a bit of an nerd for English history, and that Lady Jane Grey was one of my favorites, having been one of the first queens. He said that that wasn't the case, and while I at least knew of her epithet as the "nine-days' queen," didn't have the more robust knowledge that I do now in which to engage in a more nuanced discourse, but instead accepted that they must've known better than I.
I’m so happy to hear this perspective of Jane! I agree that women often got the short end of the stick, but I don’t like how they’re mostly portrayed as only being victims with none of their own thoughts or ambitions.
That's exactly my thoughts! 😊 Women may have lived in a male-dominated narrative, but they were still intelligent human beings who could see things for what they were. The smart ones used what they could to their advantage and broke the rules when they could get away with it. Not to mention, men in this era also often get shown as just domineering misogynists when of course there were shades of everything, such as all the men at this time who educated their daughters to the same level as their sons.
I love studying the Cousin's War and how Jacquetta of Luxembourg, Elizabeth Woodville, Margaret Beaufort, Queen Margaret (Wife of Henry VI) & Cecily of York truly manipulated the Royal men.
There was one potential male heir - Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley. He was the grandson of Margaret Tudor by her second husband Archibald Douglas. However he was around 7 years old, his parents were Catholic and considered Scottish and Henry VIII's will had cut out Margaret's descendants. Ironically his son James would go on to succeed Elizabeth.
I love this so much. Thank you for the wonderful videos. As a teen I found a book on Lady Jane Grey and it wasn't very big either but older. It hadn't been checked out of the library since the 70s and this was in 1999! So....I kinda borrowed it. This was a University library and I wasn't in college obviously so I would smuggle books out and back in. But 2 books I kept or just never returned were lady Jane Grey and The Yearling ...which the second book is quite big in comparison! I just love hearing about her in-depth. She is nucb smarter than history originally made her out to be and tried her best to fulfill the role of queen she likely didn't want and in such a short time. She wasn't the submissive girl pawn they wanted her to be. I've read that this is due to her upbringing around other strong Tudor women like Katherine Parr.
I agree, she was certainly raised in an atmosphere of clever, strong women, such as with Katherine Parr, as you say. She was also lucky enough to be raised at a brief time in Tudor history when it was fashionable for women to have a good education and be well-read (something started by Catherine of Aragon!), and I'm sure this probably helped her develop her strong personality, as well. Knowledge is always power!
Nine days did not give her time to show too much of what sort of queen she could have been, but she did remain adamant about not making Guildeford a king, as Dudley demanded.
In 1986 Paramount Pictures made "Lady Jane" starring Helena Bonham Carter, Cary Elwes, John Wood, and Patrick Stewart. Although it was romanticized, it was still a decent film in chronicling the political intrigue behind Lady Jane's ascension to the throne. Poor child, she was exploited so badly.
It was a good film! Especially as there hadn't really been much interest in Lady Jane Grey until that point, so it was great to have something that rekindled interest in her story. And the truth behind how her parents behaved wasn't really looked at it detail until the last decade or so, either, so they can be forgiven for how they depict them!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Oh, you've seen "Lady Jane" then. "I want a shilling to be worth a shilling." Lady Jane got her wish and was then executed. She was some kind of hero. Thanks for posting your video; it filled in the blanks. 🙂
Greys, Seymours, Dudleys. they really seem to not even trying to know their place and limits and literally thought they can conquer the world, just cause king said they'll be monarchs once his heirs were gone and his line ended🤨I'm glad during both Mary and Elizabeth's reign, they were all pushed back and sidelined and were officially no body once Stuart dynasty started. they might have even throw a second Wars of the Roses had they caused more trouble!
I went to the Tower of London today and saw the original carving of “JANE” in the prisoners tower wall written by one of her supporters. My heart dropped a little
I have always thought that she should be included in the rental list of monarchs. Edward V. was recognised, he was proclaimed but not crowned. Jane's circumstances are just the same. Poor Queen Jane I.
the actual circumstances were quite different. Edward V was in the rightful line of inheritance, while Jane's position was after several others before her in the legitimate line of inheritance. Ignoring any quibbling due to various factions, Mary Tudor, Elizabeth Tudor, Mary Queen of Scots and Janes own mother would all have come before Jane.
Very briefly! Although I get the feeling she might not have wanted to stay married to him for long, as there were already cracks appearing even at the start.
I enjoyed this video and am looking forward to watching parts 2 and 3. Thank you. 👍😊 Jane and her sisters would have been a good choice; if Mary and Elizabeth had not lived to become queens. It would have been nice if Edward vi and Jane had been married (although they would have been very young) They appeared to be evenly matched in education and they must have known each other fairly well.
All women back then were pawns of their families. Being related to the monarch immediately puts them at risk. She most likely felt it was her duty to promote the interests of her family. She had no choice but to go along with her family’s ambitions.
I agree that probably was part of how she felt, yes. Her family's ambitions for her, once it was clear it was possible for her to be queen, don't negate Jane's own ambitions for herself. Once she was in that position, Jane perhaps felt it was her chance to actually rule, and with that came acting like a queen and making decisions of her own. Her main problem was that the public had no idea who she was, and as a result, they preferred Princess Mary, who they knew and loved.
I still think Jane was used as a pawn so as to keep her cousin Mary off the throne so the state religion would not revert to Roman Catholic. Her parents only cared about themselves and not their daughters. Did Jane have ambitions to take the crown from her cousin Mary? Probably not if it were not for Edward VI's revised will. I think it is a shame that her parents, the Duke of Northumberland and her parents treated her so abusively and forced her to take the throne away from her cousin Mary.
I agree that Jane certainly had no ambitions for the crown, and was definitely used as a pawn by Northumberland to further his own desires for power. There's little evidence, of course, that her parents were actively abusive in any way, most 'evidence' for their apparent abuse comes from a passage that Jane supposedly said to her tutor, Roger Ascham, and he was writing with a bias many years after the event. There's otherwise no other evidence to suggest they were anything but the norm for a noble family at that time. Certainly there were other families that were willing to try and get their children socially as high as they could get regardless of the risks (like the Boleyns and Seymours!). Holding the Protestant religion was definitely a big factor for Edward VI, who was worried about Mary reverting to Catholicism, and no doubt had Northumberland whispering in his ear. The Duke of Northumberland didn't care too much about the state religion, I feel he would have adapted to whatever was necessary, but it helped his case to use Jane's ardent Protestantism. And while Jane never wanted the crown, there's no reason why she might not have started thinking about how she was going to rule, and what she was going to change or improve. Everything did seem to be going well until the Privy Council lost their nerve, and Jane didn't know about anything going on outside the Tower unless she was told. I think she saw (probably egged on by her parents, I agree) a way to push her faith and cement it in England, and to get rid of Catholicism for good. There were rumours that Mary would flee to Europe, so Jane was probably told what she needed to be and no more.
She was as intelligent as Elizabeth! Roger Askim (spellg) tutored Elizabeth, as well, and obviously a very good educator! Ok, now PT. 2! YEH or YAY! Either would do! 😁
Absolutely! I can't remember off the top of my head if Ascham actually tutored both of them at the same time, but Elizabeth and Jane were tutored at the same time when they lived with Katherine Parr.
the beginning saying shes"portrayed" a certain way but really she was more aware of what was going on..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! r u kidding?!?!?!?!?!???????!!! she was 15 YEARS OLD!!!! SHE DIDNT KNOW SH*T!!!!!!
At that time in history, people had responsibility thrust upon them much earlier than is customary now. Expected life spans were very short, and an early start was reasonable. A 14 year old girl could be married and shipped off to deal with a husband, children, home, etc., and everyone regarded it as normal. Males in their late teens were fully trained for the battle field. An intelligent 15 year old would be well aware of what was going on. Poor Jane wasn't much older when she was beheaded, and she did know what was going on. It was not a surprise to her.
My other comment to you seems to have disappeared, so I'll pop this here: Henry Grey was 1st Duke of Suffolk through his marriage to Frances. Her brothers originally held the title, and after their deaths, the title was returned to the crown as she was not (by law at the time) allowed to hold that title herself. It was then later granted to her husband by the crown as a new creation, hence making him the '1st' Duke of Suffolk, and she the Duchess by marriage to him. It was a strange system, but kind of like the title would go extinct, before being recycled again for use with a new monarch. So if you like, Henry Grey was 1st Duke of Suffolk (third creation), although it isn't said that way. A recent example is William and Kate Windsor, currently Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. William is Duke of Cambridge (fifth creation), after the title went extinct for about a century. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Cambridge#Fifth_creation,_2011 Sources: The Sisters Who Would Be Queen, by Leanda de Lisle Crown of Blood, by Nicola Talis Lady Jane Grey - A Tudor Mystery, by Eric Ives and Wikipedia, although obviously that one is less academic than the others, but gives you a clickable overview to see what I mean: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Suffolk
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Thanks for watching! How much do you think Lady Jane Grey's childhood and early teen years affected what happened later?
If you enjoyed this video, here are some others to check out:
Did The FIRST English Queen LOSE Her Crown? Part 1 - ruclips.net/video/oj6AFqebNBU/видео.html
Queen of Two Kingdoms And Mother Of An Empire - Part 1 - ruclips.net/video/qeziVpkY-1c/видео.html
Thank you for your videos!
Please have mercy, re-upload without this annoying whistle music
A few years back, an acquaintance was showing off his Elizabeth I tattoo after I saw it poking out from the sleeve of his shirt, and we had a brief discussion. I told him I was a bit of an nerd for English history, and that Lady Jane Grey was one of my favorites, having been one of the first queens. He said that that wasn't the case, and while I at least knew of her epithet as the "nine-days' queen," didn't have the more robust knowledge that I do now in which to engage in a more nuanced discourse, but instead accepted that they must've known better than I.
I’m so happy to hear this perspective of Jane! I agree that women often got the short end of the stick, but I don’t like how they’re mostly portrayed as only being victims with none of their own thoughts or ambitions.
That's exactly my thoughts! 😊 Women may have lived in a male-dominated narrative, but they were still intelligent human beings who could see things for what they were. The smart ones used what they could to their advantage and broke the rules when they could get away with it. Not to mention, men in this era also often get shown as just domineering misogynists when of course there were shades of everything, such as all the men at this time who educated their daughters to the same level as their sons.
I love studying the Cousin's War and how Jacquetta of Luxembourg, Elizabeth Woodville, Margaret Beaufort, Queen Margaret (Wife of Henry VI) & Cecily of York truly manipulated the Royal men.
This series is literally the Game of Thrones. Superb!
Honestly, the most history you study, the more you see G.R.R. Martin didn't have to look very far for inspiration! 😂
The machinations of John "Tywin" Dudley do sound familiar...
I think it has been said that he based the story on the wars of the roses.
There was one potential male heir - Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley. He was the grandson of Margaret Tudor by her second husband Archibald Douglas. However he was around 7 years old, his parents were Catholic and considered Scottish and Henry VIII's will had cut out Margaret's descendants. Ironically his son James would go on to succeed Elizabeth.
I love this so much. Thank you for the wonderful videos. As a teen I found a book on Lady Jane Grey and it wasn't very big either but older. It hadn't been checked out of the library since the 70s and this was in 1999! So....I kinda borrowed it. This was a University library and I wasn't in college obviously so I would smuggle books out and back in. But 2 books I kept or just never returned were lady Jane Grey and The Yearling ...which the second book is quite big in comparison! I just love hearing about her in-depth. She is nucb smarter than history originally made her out to be and tried her best to fulfill the role of queen she likely didn't want and in such a short time. She wasn't the submissive girl pawn they wanted her to be. I've read that this is due to her upbringing around other strong Tudor women like Katherine Parr.
I agree, she was certainly raised in an atmosphere of clever, strong women, such as with Katherine Parr, as you say. She was also lucky enough to be raised at a brief time in Tudor history when it was fashionable for women to have a good education and be well-read (something started by Catherine of Aragon!), and I'm sure this probably helped her develop her strong personality, as well. Knowledge is always power!
Nine days did not give her time to show too much of what sort of queen she could have been, but she did remain adamant about not making Guildeford a king, as Dudley demanded.
Commendable research and very well narrated . Thanks .
Thank you! I'm pleased you enjoyed it. 😊
This channel came out swinging. Excellent upload.
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Thank you! Glad to have you here. 😊
I agree. I saw how many subscribers it had, and I honestly wasn't expecting this level of quality. Good job! 😊
In 1986 Paramount Pictures made "Lady Jane" starring Helena Bonham Carter, Cary Elwes, John Wood, and Patrick Stewart. Although it was romanticized, it was still a decent film in chronicling the political intrigue behind Lady Jane's ascension to the throne. Poor child, she was exploited so badly.
It was a good film! Especially as there hadn't really been much interest in Lady Jane Grey until that point, so it was great to have something that rekindled interest in her story. And the truth behind how her parents behaved wasn't really looked at it detail until the last decade or so, either, so they can be forgiven for how they depict them!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Oh, you've seen "Lady Jane" then. "I want a shilling to be worth a shilling." Lady Jane got her wish and was then executed. She was some kind of hero. Thanks for posting your video; it filled in the blanks. 🙂
Thank you for another interesting video!
My pleasure! 😊 I really had a lot of fun with this one, there's so much more coming out now about her as a person. Part 2 will be out next Friday!
looking forward to part 2!!
Thank you! It's in progress, it'll be out this Friday! 😊
Frances “ How’s the leg, uncle Henry? That bad?”
I don't think I'd have dared mention it, but I would have soaked myself in perfume to cover the smell! 🤧😂
Brilliant video! 👏
Aww, thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
Greys, Seymours, Dudleys. they really seem to not even trying to know their place and limits and literally thought they can conquer the world, just cause king said they'll be monarchs once his heirs were gone and his line ended🤨I'm glad during both Mary and Elizabeth's reign, they were all pushed back and sidelined and were officially no body once Stuart dynasty started. they might have even throw a second Wars of the Roses had they caused more trouble!
I went to the Tower of London today and saw the original carving of “JANE” in the prisoners tower wall written by one of her supporters. My heart dropped a little
I have always thought that she should be included in the rental list of monarchs. Edward V. was recognised, he was proclaimed but not crowned. Jane's circumstances are just the same. Poor Queen Jane I.
the actual circumstances were quite different. Edward V was in the rightful line of inheritance, while Jane's position was after several others before her in the legitimate line of inheritance. Ignoring any quibbling due to various factions, Mary Tudor, Elizabeth Tudor, Mary Queen of Scots and Janes own mother would all have come before Jane.
That 4 notes whistle music makes me crazy and spoils the whole video to me. Am I the only one?
All Tudor period historical videos and podcasts are required by law to play Fiddly Dee Flute Tunes
Sadly, her family pushed her! Subscribed.
I never knew that Lady Jane Grey was married before she was Queen!
Very briefly! Although I get the feeling she might not have wanted to stay married to him for long, as there were already cracks appearing even at the start.
I enjoyed this video and am looking forward to watching parts 2 and 3. Thank you. 👍😊
Jane and her sisters would have been a good choice; if Mary and Elizabeth had not lived to become queens.
It would have been nice if Edward vi and Jane had been married (although they would have been very young)
They appeared to be evenly matched in education and they must have known each other fairly well.
All women back then were pawns of their families. Being related to the monarch immediately puts them at risk. She most likely felt it was her duty to promote the interests of her family. She had no choice but to go along with her family’s ambitions.
I agree that probably was part of how she felt, yes. Her family's ambitions for her, once it was clear it was possible for her to be queen, don't negate Jane's own ambitions for herself. Once she was in that position, Jane perhaps felt it was her chance to actually rule, and with that came acting like a queen and making decisions of her own. Her main problem was that the public had no idea who she was, and as a result, they preferred Princess Mary, who they knew and loved.
I still think Jane was used as a pawn so as to keep her cousin Mary off the throne so the state religion would not revert to Roman Catholic. Her parents only cared about themselves and not their daughters. Did Jane have ambitions to take the crown from her cousin Mary? Probably not if it were not for Edward VI's revised will. I think it is a shame that her parents, the Duke of Northumberland and her parents treated her so abusively and forced her to take the throne away from her cousin Mary.
I agree that Jane certainly had no ambitions for the crown, and was definitely used as a pawn by Northumberland to further his own desires for power. There's little evidence, of course, that her parents were actively abusive in any way, most 'evidence' for their apparent abuse comes from a passage that Jane supposedly said to her tutor, Roger Ascham, and he was writing with a bias many years after the event. There's otherwise no other evidence to suggest they were anything but the norm for a noble family at that time. Certainly there were other families that were willing to try and get their children socially as high as they could get regardless of the risks (like the Boleyns and Seymours!).
Holding the Protestant religion was definitely a big factor for Edward VI, who was worried about Mary reverting to Catholicism, and no doubt had Northumberland whispering in his ear. The Duke of Northumberland didn't care too much about the state religion, I feel he would have adapted to whatever was necessary, but it helped his case to use Jane's ardent Protestantism.
And while Jane never wanted the crown, there's no reason why she might not have started thinking about how she was going to rule, and what she was going to change or improve. Everything did seem to be going well until the Privy Council lost their nerve, and Jane didn't know about anything going on outside the Tower unless she was told. I think she saw (probably egged on by her parents, I agree) a way to push her faith and cement it in England, and to get rid of Catholicism for good. There were rumours that Mary would flee to Europe, so Jane was probably told what she needed to be and no more.
In my eyes, she rightfully became Queen Jane.
That violated H R VIII's will.
She was the sheldon of tudor times.
Poor Jane! She probably knew she was in danger even then.
She was as intelligent as Elizabeth! Roger Askim (spellg) tutored Elizabeth, as well, and obviously a very good educator! Ok, now PT. 2! YEH or YAY! Either would do! 😁
Absolutely! I can't remember off the top of my head if Ascham actually tutored both of them at the same time, but Elizabeth and Jane were tutored at the same time when they lived with Katherine Parr.
She was innocent she did not dervers to die like she did
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the beginning saying shes"portrayed" a certain way but really she was more aware of what was going on..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! r u kidding?!?!?!?!?!???????!!! she was 15 YEARS OLD!!!! SHE DIDNT KNOW SH*T!!!!!!
At that time in history, people had responsibility thrust upon them much earlier than is customary now. Expected life spans were very short, and an early start was reasonable. A 14 year old girl could be married and shipped off to deal with a husband, children, home, etc., and everyone regarded it as normal. Males in their late teens were fully trained for the battle field. An intelligent 15 year old would be well aware of what was going on. Poor Jane wasn't much older when she was beheaded, and she did know what was going on. It was not a surprise to her.
There are so many inaccuracies in this video I just cannot finish watching... how dare you mislead people with spurious information.
And her father was not the first Duke of Suffolk🤦🏻♀️
My other comment to you seems to have disappeared, so I'll pop this here:
Henry Grey was 1st Duke of Suffolk through his marriage to Frances. Her brothers originally held the title, and after their deaths, the title was returned to the crown as she was not (by law at the time) allowed to hold that title herself. It was then later granted to her husband by the crown as a new creation, hence making him the '1st' Duke of Suffolk, and she the Duchess by marriage to him. It was a strange system, but kind of like the title would go extinct, before being recycled again for use with a new monarch. So if you like, Henry Grey was 1st Duke of Suffolk (third creation), although it isn't said that way.
A recent example is William and Kate Windsor, currently Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. William is Duke of Cambridge (fifth creation), after the title went extinct for about a century. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Cambridge#Fifth_creation,_2011
Sources:
The Sisters Who Would Be Queen, by Leanda de Lisle
Crown of Blood, by Nicola Talis
Lady Jane Grey - A Tudor Mystery, by Eric Ives
and Wikipedia, although obviously that one is less academic than the others, but gives you a clickable overview to see what I mean: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Suffolk
Good on you, HFP! Your explanation below should be well enough, thank you! Embarrassment, yes, but NOT on your part...lol!
The creator is right, these are all my ancestors, direct and indirect.