The butchers jam knot

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • I show a jam knot which I have not seen demonstrated on RUclips before. It was shown to me by a butcher

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  • @tridsonline
    @tridsonline 2 года назад +6

    👍🏻 Thanks Vinnie - your butcher's knot is the best I've found so far: easiest, quickest, and most secure. And in my experience it far outstrips the Canadian jam knot which has always failed me by not jamming enough!

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  2 года назад +4

      Thanks Darryl. The knot I showed is quick and handy but the Canadian is stronger and a good knot too. Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @judydupont5601
    @judydupont5601 Год назад

    My father worked in shingle mills in the 30's and 40's. This is the not they used to bundle shingles. Glad I found this as I could not remember how it was tied. Thank you

  • @BlindOwl-Outdoors
    @BlindOwl-Outdoors 4 года назад +1

    thanks i am huge on knots but have never used that one thanks for bringing it up

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад

      There are a bunch of butchers knots. I learned that one a long time ago and I find it very useful

  • @fadingmargins
    @fadingmargins 4 года назад +3

    How cool - now I can stuff my next rolled venison roast and re-roll and re-tie it! Thank you Vinnie - great practical advice as always!!

  • @macartancaughey9993
    @macartancaughey9993 4 года назад +3

    Hi Vinnie though you were making a Besom at first before i looked at the description. Great job with the knots have learnt knots as i like to fish. Vinnie all you need now is a shaft down the middle of that bunch of twigs and you would have a besom broom lol. Great informative video. My Uncle use to make my Aunt besoms out of heather and he also made pot scrubs out of heather also when i was a young child i am 74 now

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      It's getting hard to find old stock like your uncle Macartan. So many old ways of doing things are being lost

    • @bobbyfischer6786
      @bobbyfischer6786 3 года назад

      Thank you both for this information very useful and the more these old ways are passed on the more they live on

  • @giatrosdontion2467
    @giatrosdontion2467 2 года назад

    Well done! Very true that all over RUclips you find Canadian jam knot or similar...but nobody tell how to secure it. Very useful, thanks a lot.

  • @Traderjoe
    @Traderjoe 4 года назад +1

    A appreciate the extra views and examples of knot tying! 👍🏻 I can never follow it initially

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      I'm the same Joe. It takes a while for my brain to grasp a knot and then I have to practice if I don't use it often

  • @maryandsam2
    @maryandsam2 4 года назад +1

    I tried tying that about 6 times whilst watching with a piece of old grass (all i had to hand) I got it right twice, I'll keep practicing though. thanks for sharing Vinnie.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      You are welcome Sam. I showed it a few times because it takes me a while to get my head around knots. Thanks for watching Sam

  • @FrankAndTinaOfficial
    @FrankAndTinaOfficial 4 года назад

    That's some good information! Thank's! New subscribers!

  • @scruffscrofula
    @scruffscrofula 10 месяцев назад

    I've tried to use the Canadian Jam for bundles of twigs, but your butcher's know is better and easier! Thank you!

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  10 месяцев назад

      It's better in some ways but it is not as secure as the jam knot. Thanks for watching 👍

  • @thesakguy3852
    @thesakguy3852 4 года назад

    Always nice to learn new knots. That is one bundle of sticks that is not come apart soon👍. Cool knot and knife.

  • @rockeastwood
    @rockeastwood 4 года назад

    Good info Vinnie. It's one of the rare knots I can actually remember and to me the most useful. Appreciate it. We always appreciate you sharing your great knowledge!

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      Ah yes. I am the great one indeed! This praise pleases me! Great knowledge my Irish behind Rocky :-) Did you know it already Rocky?

    • @rockeastwood
      @rockeastwood 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 I didn't actually know this knot. I thought you were referring to the Canadian jam knot but with your own twist but later in the vid when you show the difference I realized it was a new one for me! As you said the locking is important. I'm positive I never seen anyone ever do the lock step on the canadian version. I will certainly try this! Thank you!

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад

      @@rockeastwood Tut tut Rocky. Mors showed it all the time

  • @markettaipo
    @markettaipo Год назад

    Thank You Sir, that is very kind of you to show us your experience, I am really learn alot from this .

  • @danielfontaine6977
    @danielfontaine6977 Год назад

    Hello from Montreal ! Well I am so glad today, to have find your channel, with this knot demonstration..... in the 40's my mother, when she was single, she worked in a factory called, "Warebound boxes" (unsure of the spelling) she always made this knot to tie, especially boxes during moving or other similar tasks including cardboard boxes, or stacking old magazines or newpapers. .. she always called this knot.. The WareBound Boxes knot.... since she is more with us, I had forgotten how to do it... I can now pratice to do it again.... She alaways did the same gestures that you did, with the thumb and the index fingers..... So many thanks to you! (forgive my poor engish writing... I am french speaking) :-)

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  Год назад

      Your english is excellent and much better than my schoolboy french let me tell you Daniel. I am glad you found the knot. It is important to remember our loved ones that are no longer with us

  • @SpareSpacesuit
    @SpareSpacesuit 5 месяцев назад

    i lost this video and finally found it again, saving it this time, thanks, will refer back when i cant remember haha

  • @timatchley7114
    @timatchley7114 4 года назад +1

    Hello Vinnie, I like your video on the jam knot. When I was a young boy I was in the boy scouts and went to summer camps where we practiced our outdoor skills such as knot tying. This is a very informative video and useful skill whether your outdoors or indoors. I like your choice of knife, the old faithful sheep's foot style knife is hard to beat around the farm. Thank You my friend for another great video. Take Care!

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +2

      I have always liked knots and working with ropes Tim. I used to be handy with a lasso when I was a kid. I seem to have lost the knack. I'll have to knuckle down and practice. I think I would have liked to try the scouts. Never had the chance though

  • @anemone104
    @anemone104 Год назад

    Thanks for posting, beautifully presented. Just about to cut out a load of bean rods, so I'll be trying this.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  Год назад

      I hope it's useful for you. Thanks

    • @anemone104
      @anemone104 Год назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 It certainly will be. Just got some freebie used baler twine off the farmer who owns 'the coppice...

  • @davidkurle5418
    @davidkurle5418 4 года назад

    Thanks for teaching me another new knot, Vinnie. Great video!

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      You are very kind David. I hope it is useful and thanks very much for watching 👍

  • @nathanmorris6768
    @nathanmorris6768 3 года назад

    Thanks Vinnie, that was nicely explained, i'm always trying to improve my knot skills.

  • @manuellucero8414
    @manuellucero8414 4 года назад

    Great knot and very useful Vinnie, thanks

  • @kaizoebara
    @kaizoebara 4 года назад +1

    I do the same with a figure-8-knot instead (standing end needs to go through the same bight as the working end of the figure-8-knot), but your method seems to be quite a bit faster.
    The jamknot I use does come undone when you pull on the working end of the figure-8-knot; useful if you want to save the twine. For most of my applications I don't think that securing the jamknot with half hitches is neccessary, especially when the shearing forces are enough to pinch off the twine as with your knot. If I feel the need to secure the knot, I will often use a half hitch slipknot; again, trying to save twine when possible.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      There are probably many interesting variations of knots that aren't well known. I often just make a slippery hitch with thicker twine or rope and lock it with a loop like I use in the jam knot so that it opens easily. Thanks for your interesting comment

    • @kaizoebara
      @kaizoebara 4 года назад

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 I always appreciate a good knot video. Went down the knotwork rabbithole myself a few years ago when I bought a reasonably priced reprint of _The Ashley Book of Knots._

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      @@kaizoebara With a knot book and a piece of paracord you can easily entertain oneself for an hour or two

  • @5822
    @5822 4 года назад

    Thank you for the wonderful video today ^^
    Happy day today

  • @RobertsBulgaria
    @RobertsBulgaria Год назад

    You have a very nice and informative video here - Thank you for sharing.

  • @ourtechwriter
    @ourtechwriter Год назад

    Thank you, Vinnie!

  • @kadeeeartiaga
    @kadeeeartiaga 4 года назад

    hi! new friend here. u got such an amazing practical skill here, bro. thanks for this tutorial, much appreciated and this is helpful, too

  • @OKBushcraft
    @OKBushcraft 4 года назад

    Thanks Vinnie, this looks to be pretty useful.
    All the best, John.

  • @ahmelmahay
    @ahmelmahay 3 года назад +2

    I use the Canadian jam knot myself Vinnie

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад +1

      It's a great knot Joe

    • @ahmelmahay
      @ahmelmahay 3 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 can i have your email address and ill send you some photos about what my friend sells and the price and see if anything takes your fancy Vinnie

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад +1

      @@ahmelmahay No bother Joe and thanks very much. If you look at my channel page you will see "about" as one of the headings. If you click on that you will see "view email address" If you click on that my email is there

    • @ahmelmahay
      @ahmelmahay 3 года назад

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 did you get your knife sorted Vinnie

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад +1

      @@ahmelmahay No Joe. I'm not very worried about the knife but I'd love to figure out what happened

  • @T37912
    @T37912 4 года назад

    Hi Vinnie,
    Thanks for showing this. I'll try it next time we're out. I just usedca regular slipknot and tied that of with ths same endknot as you, but this seems sturdier.
    Kind regards
    Alain

  • @seff2318
    @seff2318 4 года назад

    This should a very effective for my basement labyri... I mean for carrying bundles of wood of course! lol Thanks for sharing Vinny. I apologize I didn’t get around to answering what jointing is. I plan on doing a short video explaining here shortly. Take care buddy.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      No problem Seth. It was kind of obvious but that was my first time seeing it done. Have fun in the basement 😁

  • @ge3029
    @ge3029 Год назад

    Excellent! Love this. Learned from it. TY.

  • @raymondwilliams2609
    @raymondwilliams2609 4 года назад

    Great video, Vinnie! I subscribed, thanks so much for the knots! 🤗❤️👍🤘👋

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад

      Thanks very much Raymond. I appreciate that 👍👍

  • @robertbayarri3929
    @robertbayarri3929 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing with us this knot. I really like your knife, could you tell me the name / brand of the knife?

  • @blindowl-bushcraft-survival
    @blindowl-bushcraft-survival 3 года назад

    really liked this knot, thanks

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад

      Thanks very much. It is very fast to tie when you know it and I find I use it a lot for this and that

  • @db9372
    @db9372 2 года назад

    Excellent! Exactly what I need to tie my branches.
    Thanks 😁

  • @benscottwoodchopper
    @benscottwoodchopper 4 года назад

    Thanks for sharing, looks very effective. Might try this for making bundles of willow

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад

      Thanks Ben. It would be ideal for that

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +2

      I was just thinking Ben. I'm sure you would find out from trial and error anyway but if tying larger sticks in a bundle roll the bundle as it will make all the sticks settle together. Otherwise the bundle will have spaces and when you move it the twine will become slack and loose.

  • @Frigorific12
    @Frigorific12 4 года назад

    Thanks you ! Thank you very much! You are a professional!

  • @SoldierDrew
    @SoldierDrew Год назад

    I tie bundles like this using the same method for tying a cowboy bed roll using one long cord or twine that's locked with a quick release knot similar to a truckers hitch.
    That way I needn't cut my cordage / twine and can reuse my twine/cordage.
    As poor folks we have to reuse a lot of materials so we prefer ways that preserve our materials.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  Год назад +1

      As a poor folk for as long as I can remember I approve this statement!

  • @bowlineobama
    @bowlineobama 3 года назад

    Thank you. Now I know another jam knot I can use. How about combining the two techniques and make it even more secure

  • @DeanMD77
    @DeanMD77 3 года назад

    Thx Vinnie! Great info. Wondering if you’ve ever tried a poachers knot for a similar application?

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад

      No Dean. I just looked it up now. I reckon the butchers knot would beat it for speed. Do you use it yourself?

    • @DeanMD77
      @DeanMD77 3 года назад +1

      I do Vinnie. Practicing yours and the finished knot looks very similar. Not sure which is faster yet. I like them both. I typically use the Poachers Knot to attach cord to a carabiner but also works for bundles. Thanks for teaching me a new one.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад +1

      @@DeanMD77 I must learn the poachers knot and try it out. Thank you very much for dropping by 🙂👍

  • @shiro703
    @shiro703 3 года назад

    What’s that knife it looks really pretty

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад

      That's the Otter Anchor folding knife. A very nice folder methinks

  • @jack_batterson
    @jack_batterson 4 года назад +1

    Vinnie -- great tutorial. The first part of the knot you tie (two wrap Uni) is a Poacher's Knot. It was a knot used to make a snare. (If you tie that first knot, then remove the bundle of sticks, you have a Poacher's knot (noose or snare). The Poachers knot is essentially a two-wrap Uni or Grinner tied on a bight. It looks like you then finish and lock off the knot with a half-hitch. Very nice technique! I do a similar think with a Canadian Jam knot. :tu:
    (Hey, how do I send you a knife to try out?)

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +2

      I hadn't heard of a poachers knot Jack. I must google it. What kind of knife did you have in mind?

    • @jack_batterson
      @jack_batterson 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 A Great Eastern Cutlery Pocket knife (#23 Pioneer). I don't think you've tried one of those yet, have you?

    • @jack_batterson
      @jack_batterson 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 Just checked in my Ashley's Book of Knots. The Poacher's knot is #409.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +2

      @@jack_batterson I did a video on the Hayn' Helper and I have a big Jack that I haven't made a video about.

    • @jack_batterson
      @jack_batterson 4 года назад

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 Right! The #23 is a big Jack knife, too. A "Trapper" type knife. If you don't want it, no worries! (And I look forward to the video on your other big Jack knife. You do a great job with the traditional folders! )

  • @minktrappingpaddy
    @minktrappingpaddy 4 года назад

    Vinnie i am going to attempt to make a Besum in the near future. Do you think this knot would be suitable?

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      Are you using heather Eddie? It would work buy I reckon a whipping knot would look a lot nicer. You could put a lot of strain on it and make it tight if you tied the rope to something and pulled like I did with the axe handle. This is a link to how to make it www.101knots.com/common-whipping.html

    • @minktrappingpaddy
      @minktrappingpaddy 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 I'm using birch Vinnie, so need to pull it really tight. Will check out that knot. Sounds like it's what I need. Cheers!!👍

  • @alanpepsick8298
    @alanpepsick8298 4 года назад

    Thanks for the video. How do you like the knife?

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      I like it pretty good. It is a good little slicer and holds an edge fairly well

  • @DIYG-dad
    @DIYG-dad 2 года назад

    Nice work good share

  • @nokieng6502
    @nokieng6502 3 года назад +1

    Thanks. Great alternative and faster than the Canadian jam knot. But with the Canadian jam knot that you showed us, why go through the hassle of looping it under, pulling it tight, then running the remaining coil of cordage thru the loop to create the half hitch to lock it? You can just lock it down the same way you locked off your butchers jam knot. Much easier, and faster.
    BTW your knot is simply a double overhand slip knot with a lock when deconstructed. A standard slip knot only has one overhand knot. As you said in the video a single loop ( 1 overhand knot) would work also. That makes it a standard slipknot with lock off. But you use two loops to create your butchers jam knot. The take away from your video is in locking it off I guess.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад

      With regards to the single loop working it may work with certain twines but the double overhand knot stops the knot slipping when using slippery synthetic twines. The butchers who showed me used rayon twine. If you used a single overhand knot with that twine it simply pulled out when strain came on it. with even more slippery cord, perhaps like braided fishing line, even more loops would be added which makes the knot a uni knot. In my experience the Canadian jam knot is much more secure under a load than it would be with a lock knot like mine. Different knots for different applications. The butchers knot when speed is needed and load baring is not critical. Thanks very much for your excellent comment 👍

    • @nokieng6502
      @nokieng6502 3 года назад

      Thanks Vinnie. Yes I agree with your comments regarding the Canadian jam knot. I was just saying that you can lock it off with your method that you used for the butchers jam not. Instead of the way you showed on your video (which is what Mors K used). And thank you for your expertise regarding different types of rope where a single wrap should not be used.

  • @dragontattooee
    @dragontattooee 4 года назад

    The knot book ... I've a couple on my shelves .. but use something similar to the fishing knot you mentioned

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      have you seen it used as a jam knot Brian?

    • @dragontattooee
      @dragontattooee 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 before finding elastic bands my mum used a similar knot to.tie the paper to the top of jam.. she never knew it's name.. its how she was shown to tie it

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад

      @@dragontattooee That's interesting Brian. Do you know if it was the same knot she used?

    • @dragontattooee
      @dragontattooee 4 года назад

      From what I remember ... it was 3 twists and a granny knot to lock it

  • @hauki9286
    @hauki9286 4 года назад

    A good knot to remember!

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      Thanks Hauki. how are you keeping?

    • @hauki9286
      @hauki9286 4 года назад +1

      vinniesdayoff working hard or hardly working. Started a bit of my chopping challenge. Have you chopped any? Im now visiting a friend by the sea. Hope to do some sea icefishing if my friend is up for it

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      @@hauki9286 No chopping yet. I picked up some hatchets and I'm busy filing and grinding . Nearly finished filing the Hultafors axe too

  • @ROE1300
    @ROE1300 4 года назад

    Just checking in to see if you and your family are surviving the COVID-19 pandemic. I hope all is well.
    I’m quasi self-quarantined on a barrier island on the Texas Coast. No symptoms, just nothing open.
    Take care and stay safe.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      That sounds not too bad Richard! We are waiting for the onslaught here. Only a few cases locally at the moment. I wish you well my friend.

  • @totheknee
    @totheknee 2 года назад

    Demonstrating knots in the wild is great for learning how to use these knots. Other knot videos just show how to tie knots with short bits of rope that don't show practical uses.

  • @devildogsbushcraft7898
    @devildogsbushcraft7898 4 года назад

    Thanks Vinnie

  • @ROE1300
    @ROE1300 4 года назад

    Hope all is well with you and your family. I know you had a few bad months a while ago.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      Things are not too bad now Richard. Thank you very much

  • @stevehuffman7453
    @stevehuffman7453 4 года назад

    Thankee. :)

  • @turboconqueringmegaeagle9006
    @turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 4 года назад +1

    I'm absolutely useless at remembering new knots, the uni-knot I know though so maybe I'll be able to remember the butcher knot.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +2

      I use it a lot James. It's really handy. I find I have to practice knots, at least with knots I don't use all the time

  • @greydragon2864
    @greydragon2864 4 года назад

    Thanks for the instruction and the extra information as to when you might use the the two knots.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      Thanks very much Grey Dragon. Why can't I pick super cool channel names??

    • @greydragon2864
      @greydragon2864 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 Lol. Your channel name is unique I don't think I've seen anything with day off in the channel name. My name is just from and old gaming account. I just couldn't be bothered to set a new email for youtube. 😁

  • @recklessroges
    @recklessroges Год назад

    It's just called The Butcher's knot ABoK:184

    • @F3PIZZA
      @F3PIZZA Год назад

      A lot of us only cut the line once, using a continuous technique. Add in handle(s) for easier carrying (or placing into the pan in my case:-)

  • @281covfefe5
    @281covfefe5 4 года назад

    👍🏻🇺🇸

  • @chrisosh9574
    @chrisosh9574 4 года назад

    Thanks for reminding me of this knot, it was shown to me by a butcher in the sixties (my girlfriend's dad at the time) and I had completely forgotten it since then . Having a basic library of knots at your disposal is invaluable and could save your life.
    One of my favourites, is the British version of the Trucker's Hitch because it never binds up on release. ruclips.net/video/V8JE0tMeWoc/видео.html

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      Thanks Chris. I was wondering if anyone else had come across it. I'd love to know if it has a name. I'll have a look at that. the truckers hitch is one knot I find it hard to get my head around.

    • @chrisosh9574
      @chrisosh9574 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 I just had a quick google and Butchers knot seems to be the only name but there are lots of variations that have different names. Years ago I found a guy I worked with tying a truckers hitch, I had never been able to remember it before so I nagged him into spending a lunch hour showing me how to tie it, cost me a couple of beers and lunch the next day but it has never left me. I have used two or three in line to move tree trunks you would think you would need a tractor to move, you get three to one power, definitely one of my favourites.

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад

      @@chrisosh9574 I just called it the butchers knot because a butcher showed it to me. It never occurred to me to search for it under butchers knot. I was searching through jam knots. I had a look at them (butchers knots) and I haven't seen my one yet

    • @chrisosh9574
      @chrisosh9574 4 года назад +1

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 You are right all of the others are a single overhand pass, not two, with yours the extra pass stops it from slipping while you lock it. This is interesting: www.animatedknots.com/

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  4 года назад +1

      @@chrisosh9574 That's a great channel Chris. I've spent a lot of time there

  • @chopstitch
    @chopstitch 3 года назад

    It looks a lot like a taught line ...

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад

      🤔🤔

    • @chopstitch
      @chopstitch 3 года назад

      @@vinniesdayoff3968 ruclips.net/video/H4rbBHp1QXo/видео.html

    • @vinniesdayoff3968
      @vinniesdayoff3968  3 года назад

      @@chopstitch the penny drops. It's really a uni knot with only a couple of turns

  • @john-rn3yj
    @john-rn3yj 2 года назад

    You don't make a good teacher you