Repair the shutter curtain in Leica iii F with liquid rubber
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this film I will show how one can repair the shutter curtain in an Leica iii F, with liquid rubber. If there's small holes in the curtain it will also seen on the exposed film, so instead of take out the curtain I use some "Liquid Rubber", and it turn out to be very good.
I use the product called "Pop Up Liner" from a shop called "Panduro hobby" they have a website:
panduro.com/sv...
Here are some link's to different repair tool's:
Contact glue:
www.loctitepro...
Japan Hobby Tool rubber cone:
www.amazon.com...
18 different size rubber repair tool's:
www.amazon.com...
You can also buy this set.
Lens Repair Set with pointed, flat, half flat tips:
www.amazon.com...
JIS cross head screw driver's:
www.amazon.com...
Or this set, that is the set I use:
eustore.ifixit...
Lens cleaning wipes (PEC-PAD):
www.amazon.com...
Thin Cotton Buds x 200 you can buy them here:
www.muji.eu/pa...
DSLRKIT Pro Lens Vise Tool Repair Filter Ring Ajustment Steel 27mm to 130mm:
www.amazon.com...
Japan Hobby Tool Helical Grease Made in Japan:
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Loctite 222 50ml Threadlocker
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Thanks for this video! A small piece of film ripped off as I was loading my IIIf and your video gave me the confidence to open it up and gently remove the piece of film.
YOU ARE NOW MY BEST INTERNET FRIEND! I've been getting black bars on my film. This is why!!!
Thanks Emile, I hope it can help you.
after looking at the results it gave me the confidence to go ahead and apply some liquid tape (it's liquid rubber just called different) to my Exakta V. and it did the trick right up.
Mikeno, you are saving my life all the time man!
@Austin Vincenzo use whatever you want boy youll be screwed anyway. And no nobody cares.
Thank you, that was excellent well presented and very informative.
Marvelous stuff, I'll have to look for it. At my camera repair shop many years ago, I had a tech who used aerosol rubber in a can (you may have seen TV adverts for it -- "But wait! There's more!") to repair pin holes in his SLR's curtains. (I wouldn't allow that on customer repairs, but they were his personal cameras, so that was his choice. For customer repairs, if new curtains were not available, we would "harvest" working parts from donor cameras, with customer approval of course.) He would spray the material into a film canister, then dab the "rubber paint" onto the holes, and let dry for a day.
To check for pin holes, we would do this: First, in a dark room, we would lift the mirror of the camera (without a lens attached), and holding a small low-power strobe near the film rails, peek into the vacant lens mount on the body, and manually trigger the flash with the "test" button. Any pin holes would glisten like a constellation! We would do this with shutter wound, and with it released, to check both curtains.
Incidentally, besides "old age" cracking of the rubberized curtains, we would also see burn holes in curtains from time to time! People would lock the mirror up on their SLR, and leave it with the sun focused too long on the curtains -- presto, burn holes, just like using a magnifying glass in the school yard! A few times, we even had cameras with a whole line of tiny burn holes, where the camera was left lying in the sun as it traversed the sky!
Thanks for this excellent video. I was looking for advice on how to remove the body; I didn't want to try a "suck it" and see approach. IIIf's are too valuable to mess up. The warning about the pressure plate and springs is very useful.
Thanks Again Kenneth, Respect!
I've a couple of Exaktas, a Kine and a VP with pinholes. Actually, most of them are in the Kine. I would try that, but with a more liquid stuff, a water based acrylic textile colour. Black of course.
You are a genius!
I don't know why, but in Soviet camera repair manual and the other video, the very first step is to remove the lens mount ring with noticing position of the ring and washers under it.
Thank you for posting this. I have been wanting to shoot with my grandfathers IIIf but terrified that I will send it away and the company repairing will go out of business like what happened with my RB67 CLA.
Thank you. Very useful video.
Wow, ive just picked up a old rangefinder with same fault, so gonna try this for sure, thank you :)
Leica in Wetzlar does no longer change curtains on old screw-mount cameras - they no longer have replacement curtains! (This is the information I've got from a Leica Store itself, and they send these cameras to another repair shop, as they did with mine. I had problems with old lenses before, they get more and more picky.) So, a great Thank You for your videos full of tips here on RUclips!
Thank's for the info Christian, but it's a real shame for many people who has those old Leica's. So I hope this video can help some of those old Leica'er back to life.
Kenneth, your videos are a treasure trove. Others might cringe when they see you operating with pointy steel tweezers next to invaluable lens elements, but they could buy plastic tweezers to do it instead … ;)
Thank's Christian, it maybe look a bit dangerous to others when they see me working with poity tweezer's, but I have good control when using my tool's. Well, accident can happen but I try to do the best I can. And you are right about the use of plastic tweezer's, that I also do when it's needed, all depending what I work with.
Cheers
Kenneth
I bet there is enough demand that they could do limited production runs of new curtains if necessary. To original spec of course. If the demand isn’t there now it’ll definitely be there in 10, 20 years when these cameras are approaching 100 years old…
@@MrRom92DAWLeica Germany can and do replace curtains. Look at approx £1000 and a six month lead time.
Nice one! Have to try it out on my Fed2. 🙂
Ah, too late for my IIIf … I might be encouraged to do it with another one (or I might ask the repair shop if the original curtains are still there, but I doubt it); the new curtains are not the original and work not as good at high speeds (thicker material). This camera is much easier to disassemble up to this point than I thought it would be!
Thankyou for sharing this !.
Can you make video how to replace broken ribbon shutter? Thank you
Hello! I found this video guide very useful! Thanks a lot!
Today i found some rubber missing on my Zenit-E curtains. I found a shop which sells Bostik Liquid Rubber (it's a kind of sealant). Do you think it would work the same way?
I've fixed other shutter types with liquid electric tape but I've not fixed a cloth curtain. I assume liquid electric tape isn't flexible enough for this shutter. Now, to find that kind of liquid rubber. I'm finding the kind that goes on the roof, sold by the gallon but I assume it's different.
thank you for this excellent video. I have a FED 3 on which in the curtain in the cocked position some parts of the outer (towards the lens mount) covering of this curtain has detached. My question is if I must put liquid rubber on this side or on the other side which is easier. thanks in advance
i use silicon glue such as sealants.
Hello, can you do a video on cleaning a voightländer color skopar 50/2.8 from a vitessa T. I have a nightmare trying to reinstall the aperture blades. This lens is so complex!
this should work on most cloth shutters right?
there are velveteen strips at top and bottom grooves of film frame. Have you ever had to put those back and what kind of glue can be used there?
It looks like this is the 2nd and 3rd repair, as I see an initial coating already on the shutter. The 1st attempt was a thin layer , would a 2nd thin layer to fill in the pin holes be better than to place such a thick one? Did the cloth absorb some of the wet rubber? thanks.
Hi, interesting video. Do you know if the Canon rangefinder cameras that look like this Leica come apart in the same way?
My rolleiflex sl66 has cloth shutters, not rubberized.
How do you seal one tiny pin hole in the shutter? A speck of black paint maybe? It’s one hole.
I am about to do this with my IIIF. Is there any reason that it cannot be done from the lens side of the curtain (without removing the body)? Thanks.....
I think it just look more nice when the rubber is on the backside of the shutter curtain, and another important thing, it's just so much more easy to see all the small holes in the curtain when the body casing is removed.
Probably less twisting stress on the rubber when it is on the back because it would be outside of the roll, depending on how the shutter mechanism is built - I can't really see what happens, I'm making assumption. Also you can inspect and see if if it is damaged or peels off every time you change the film. Better protected from the sun and most of all less likely to leave small bits in the camera if it peels off.
I am sure you can also find many reasons for it to be on the other side!
Does rtv silicone works too?
a fewseconds on direct sun, burns a hole in your shutter curtain.
@ mikeno62 How does it hold?
The Panduro web site is no longer taking orders. Is there another place to buy this?
Well, they maybe not sell it anymore, but I found another product that could be an interesting thing to try, you can get it right here:
www.flexsealproducts.com/product/flex-seal-liquid-rubberized-coating/
Aerobob, I've been carrying out experiments on a cotton handkerchief with a silicone sealant (black) made by Granville Oil & Chemicals Ltd., Rotherham, UK. www.granvilleoil.com
It comes in a 40g tube. It is described as a multi-purpose sealant and adhesive, is claimed to be permanently flexible and non-shrinking, and withstands extremes of temperature.
In use, I've applied some to the cotton handkerchief using a small spatula to spread it over an area of about 1 sq. inch. The single thin coating has remained extremely flexible, I've folded it over itself, and it unfolded without leaving a crease. It is also totally light tight.
I'm trying a double coating to see how flexible this is before getting up the courage to apply it to one of the curtains of my Contarex Super II. Hardly anybody will work on these cameras now as they are so complicated and I've heard of stories where those that have tried don't have the requisite experience or servicing tools and usually wreck the camera.
Should have added that the part number is 0373.
two other options which have good reviews repairing shutter curtains are StarBrite Liquid Tape and Tulip flexible acrylic fabric paint.
@@terrybyford3605 How did that sealant work out after a year?
can i use plastidip sprey rubber for this purpose?
Without knowing it, I would think the "PlaticDip" it's too hard when it dries up, but try it on a piece of cloth before trying it in the camera, it has to be really flexible.
I found this interesting stuff on Amazon, I have not try it yet so I have no idea how it will work:
www.amazon.com/Stormsure-Black-Flexible-repair-adhesive/dp/B006U1POYK
@@mikeno62 Good day, I saw this comment from a few years ago and I was wondering whether you got around to testing the material or not. Unfortunately the company you linked to in the video doesn't ship outside of Sweden, so I would love some help finding an alternative product. Thank you in advance!
If your "liguid rubber" repair doesn't withstand the heat of some car trunk in Europe or Asia, your vacation photos may never show up on your film at all. Why take the chance?
You shouldn't leave ANY camera in a hot trunk or space. Not just because the rubber may re-liquefy, but any oils & greases can split and lead to uneven focusing helicoids and oily aperture blades at best, and a sticky shutter at worst.