I wish there was video... it’s so hard for me to sit thru a podcast without actually watching it but great guest. I’ve been waiting for someone to have him on their show.
Great interview! I loved the historical discussion on mercenaries, private military contractors, and how those concepts could be applied in today's conflicts.
Saw the guest and wasn't entirely sure how to feel about it given Prince's history and openly stated philosophies. I'm glad you didn't softball this interview. I got a straight up chubby at the 38 minute mark. Not giving him any respite and holding him to the question with out hesitation. Heaps of respect for you on this one. Keep this quality content coming, Boss!
Great interview. Hope there is a sequel. Some YT comments are dumb. Stumpf's mild pushback to Prince is not sacrilege. It made the interview interesting. There are 100s of other interviews with 0 pushback where he says the exact same things. The guys saying we need Prince for President or Secretary of State in the Shawn Ryan Show's comments are the same ones overreacting here. There are numerous news articles on Prince claiming he's considered a traitor by the larger intelligence community of the US directly quoting former US veteran colleagues of Prince's companies. I'd love to see Prince back on Cleared Hot and be asked difficult questions next time. He's a big boy, he'll be able to handle it.
Had no idea Prince was a Michigan boy. Awesome :) I saw him in passing years ago at a tulip time festival when I was still in high school and left before his speech but I know that people protested him being there pretty heavily.
Andy, You nailed this interview and took Erik to task surgically each time he attempted to shrug off your line of questioning and it was glorious. Burn your house down, collect the insurance money, and get the "do awesome shit" van burning up the road to do more of these great interviews.
EPs fingerprints are all over our pullout in Syria. He took out a full page add in Recoil Magazine earlier this year that said “We’re Coming”. You’ll never get a second interview.
Great episode. Full of good points to dig in on next time around. I didn’t think the line on PDC use was drawn clear enough by EP. I understand the reasons why but believe a clear line does need to be drawn. I think PDCs have a role to play just not the very pointy tip of the spear. The fear with an over reliance On PDCs is that they continue to grab a bigger and bigger piece of the war fighting pie and eventually begin to heavily influence policy or even decide it. It becomes a self perpetuating money making machine from policy to action to the bank. Maybe not unlike what we have today..ha
Why do you have this perception that private contractors who are 99% VETS who can do the job faster and better. Erik laid it clearly out. Contractors can always do it more efficiently and less costs.
Andy seems like he’s just questioning and talking shit to one of the only guys who’s legitimately trying to come up with better tactics and solutions to the modern day battlefield.
About the East India Company point, let me just say this- You cannot justify occupying a foreign country and literally killing millions because you unintentionally (not intentionally as Erik makes it sound) solved a few local scuffles and problems. It's like saying the Americans should've welcomed British occupation because of priests touching kids or apartheid. Nations mature and solve their problems on their own accord. It's when one nation's problem's start impacting another that a war/occupation is justified against the belligerent.
Prince 2 soon? I’d like to hear thoughts concerning recent things concerning peace talks and withdrawals from Afghanistan and what role PMCs will play in that and the future.
Very cool conversation. I read his book civilian warrior years ago. He caught alot of negative press which would have been interesting to hear about but I enjoyed the perspective on the current war as well. Awesome!
Ever have a person shove a lollipop (wedding favor ) and slam down on top of head while simultaneously pushing up on chin. Yes, person quite larger than my stature. terrific stuff.
It's hilarious how shallow Prince's knowledge is, how poorly thought out his ideas are and how he has no real answers when being asked simple obvious questions by a guy with on the ground experience. It's all magical thinking and hand waving.
Not a fan of EP. He talked like he was the smartest guy in the room and never listened/conversed with Andy. His ideas sound good in theory, but IMO, not practical. Did he realize who Andy was and what he did? EP was talking to Andy like Andy wasn't part of an ELITE special operations unit with tons of actual, hands on, boots-on-ground FID experience....
He was a teams guy and if I had to bet don't think Prince meant anything by it, it's just his personality. Know plenty of guys like this that are professional anglers/entrepreneurs which I love that spirit I just can't be around it for long, they'll make you nuts. Humility and the ability to just relax............some people aren't wired like that. Not good, not bad, it just is.
I don’t think the East India Company’s exploits in India and Asia would be the best thing to compare yourself to. Very interesting conversation though and I’d like to see this continued.
I mean the east india company has one hell of a track record, and not just negative things either. The fact that a company managed to federate an entire sub-continent is pretty mental and I think that's what erik is referring to when he talks about it
Andy, thanks for pushing back a few times on some of Erik's positions. My opinion is that he is advocating a dangerous and cynical path. I would argue all who think that Mr. Prince's methods are the better path should read Jeremy Scahill's Blackwater, alongside Erik's 2014 book Civilian Warriors. Both men have their agenda, and while I personally find Scahill's a more attractive agenda I think looking at both view points is valuable if we want to try and find a sense of "truth."
What some call an 'agenda' others see a service that cuts past a lot of red tape. The US military is starting to end up like what we have up here in Canada. Where every little step you take is being judged by some civilian lawyer looking to make a name for themselves. Contracting got past a lot of the red tape that allowed some warfighters to function how they were trained. Can it go bad? absolutely, but lets face it, it can go bad both ways. Nothing sucks more than watching ethnic cleansing going on while waiting for permission from the UN to engage.
I would disagree with the premise of your statement. Just because previous attempts have failed to elicit positive outcomes does not mean that any alternative solution offered "can't be worse." Also, we would need to define what would constitute better. I personally agree with the point Andy kept coming back to which is that the role of armed conflict ought to be the domain of the nation state actor operating under the flag of their country. Happy to have a deeper conversation about that point if someone actually cares to, feel free to DM.
You must not have listened to the podcast. His dad died before his success. Plus you can’t choose your parents, he’s done a lot more than most people that come from wealth.
Andy, I'm about 3.5 years late, but if you ever read this please bring back Erik Prince for another episode or 3.
I love the fact that you interviewed him. Not too many military podcasts get in to the policy side.
This guy is extraordinarily smart.
He's impressive in many ways and very misunderstood.
Prince is one hell of a communicator
"Last question, What are your thoughts on the Geneva Convention?" - OUCH! LOL
Pure savage, but given the conversation, 100% relevant.
That is a dirty word to him 😬😬😬
I'm surprised this video doesn't have more views. This is a very high profile figure in the defense industry.
Would love to see a part two with Erik Prince
I wish there was video... it’s so hard for me to sit thru a podcast without actually watching it but great guest. I’ve been waiting for someone to have him on their show.
For me it's the opposite I can't sit and watch, I prefer listening while doing something else like working on vehicles, doing chores or training...
Great interview! I loved the historical discussion on mercenaries, private military contractors, and how those concepts could be applied in today's conflicts.
Saw the guest and wasn't entirely sure how to feel about it given Prince's history and openly stated philosophies. I'm glad you didn't softball this interview. I got a straight up chubby at the 38 minute mark. Not giving him any respite and holding him to the question with out hesitation. Heaps of respect for you on this one. Keep this quality content coming, Boss!
Wow Mr. Prince has a ton of info. I feel like you barely scratched the surface. We need him back ASAP.
Watch the presentation he did at Oxford
This is still the single best interview on the podcast
Andy, great job. Your showed tough politeness and deep historical knowledge. Mr Prince is smart, clear spoken and thoughtful. Hope to hear more.
andy quickly becoming one of my favorite humans on the planet
Great interview. Hope there is a sequel. Some YT comments are dumb. Stumpf's mild pushback to Prince is not sacrilege. It made the interview interesting. There are 100s of other interviews with 0 pushback where he says the exact same things. The guys saying we need Prince for President or Secretary of State in the Shawn Ryan Show's comments are the same ones overreacting here. There are numerous news articles on Prince claiming he's considered a traitor by the larger intelligence community of the US directly quoting former US veteran colleagues of Prince's companies. I'd love to see Prince back on Cleared Hot and be asked difficult questions next time. He's a big boy, he'll be able to handle it.
Had no idea Prince was a Michigan boy. Awesome :) I saw him in passing years ago at a tulip time festival when I was still in high school and left before his speech but I know that people protested him being there pretty heavily.
Uninformed useful idiots protesting him. Nobody relevant. All leftist losers as usual.
I wish there was video like this. I'd like to see Prince when he speaks. ~70% of human communication is non-verbal.
Great episode Andy...thanks! - for anyone interested check out Erik's speech at Oxford Union.
Great episode! Would love to hear a part 2 and 3!
Phenomenal interview.
Woah, Great job interviewing. Interesting subjects. When the important questions start he seems to killing time rather than answering the questions.
Andy,
You nailed this interview and took Erik to task surgically each time he attempted to shrug off your line of questioning and it was glorious. Burn your house down, collect the insurance money, and get the "do awesome shit" van burning up the road to do more of these great interviews.
EPs fingerprints are all over our pullout in Syria.
He took out a full page add in Recoil Magazine earlier this year that said “We’re Coming”.
You’ll never get a second interview.
I was just thinking about that ad while watching this. Ads are not very memorable to me, but that one stood out.
Fascinating interview, thank you both for your service
Def need a part 2 of this
Great podcast brother! Much respect for both of your brothers ✌️😎🇺🇸
Great episode. Full of good points to dig in on next time around. I didn’t think the line on PDC use was drawn clear enough by EP.
I understand the reasons why but believe a clear line does need to be drawn. I think PDCs have a role to play just not the very pointy tip of the spear. The fear with an over reliance
On PDCs is that they continue to grab a bigger and bigger piece of the war fighting pie and eventually begin to heavily influence policy or even decide it. It becomes a self perpetuating money making machine from policy to action to the bank. Maybe not unlike what we have today..ha
That was a fascinating listen - could definitely have listened to a couple more hours !
I'd like to hear a conversation between Eric Prince and Naval Ravikant about the future of warfare.
What an incredible interview, thank you!
Were ready for round two Andy!
Eddie Gallagher and Erik Prince, they always target the best, the most talented individual who shed blood and tears for the country.
My uncle is "SOUP" Campbell. He spoke highly of you E.P.
epic interview. i would like to hear a lot more of these with polarizing individuals down the road, andy hits heavy i like it
Why do you have this perception that private contractors who are 99% VETS who can do the job faster and better. Erik laid it clearly out. Contractors can always do it more efficiently and less costs.
You are correct. He was outclassed by EP. Really wasn't sure if this was a legit interview or his shy way of debating his thoughts against Eric's .
Thanks both of you.
Lot of good info here !
Andy seems like he’s just questioning and talking shit to one of the only guys who’s legitimately trying to come up with better tactics and solutions to the modern day battlefield.
Very accurate assessment . He was clearly outclassed by Eric.
About the East India Company point, let me just say this-
You cannot justify occupying a foreign country and literally killing millions because you unintentionally (not intentionally as Erik makes it sound) solved a few local scuffles and problems.
It's like saying the Americans should've welcomed British occupation because of priests touching kids or apartheid.
Nations mature and solve their problems on their own accord.
It's when one nation's problem's start impacting another that a war/occupation is justified against the belligerent.
It's a good point
Prince 2 soon? I’d like to hear thoughts concerning recent things concerning peace talks and withdrawals from Afghanistan and what role PMCs will play in that and the future.
Get Mookie on the podcast Andy.
Fuck yeah
Also Travis Haley and James Yeager too they were there as well.
Very cool conversation. I read his book civilian warrior years ago. He caught alot of negative press which would have been interesting to hear about but I enjoyed the perspective on the current war as well. Awesome!
Ever have a person shove a lollipop (wedding favor ) and slam down on top of head while simultaneously pushing up on chin. Yes, person quite larger than my stature. terrific stuff.
It's hilarious how shallow Prince's knowledge is, how poorly thought out his ideas are and how he has no real answers when being asked simple obvious questions by a guy with on the ground experience. It's all magical thinking and hand waving.
Prince is an impressive self promoter. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, considering all the unjust BS that's been tossed at him.
Is there a part two?
#andystumpf loved the mother of all podcasts but this one hits deeper. For different reasons obviously. Great show!
This was very interesting, made the cardio a lot less boring. Would be good if you could do this with video next time.
Great 👍podcast
45:00. I will just note that behind every blade of grass...God bless.
Not a fan of EP. He talked like he was the smartest guy in the room and never listened/conversed with Andy. His ideas sound good in theory, but IMO, not practical. Did he realize who Andy was and what he did? EP was talking to Andy like Andy wasn't part of an ELITE special operations unit with tons of actual, hands on, boots-on-ground FID experience....
EP was also a SEAL... And he had strategic experience...
I’m guessing that Andy got this interview because they have a mutual friend from the teams.
this guy is nothing but money hungry and a POS, worth 2.5 billion....
He was a teams guy and if I had to bet don't think Prince meant anything by it, it's just his personality. Know plenty of guys like this that are professional anglers/entrepreneurs which I love that spirit I just can't be around it for long, they'll make you nuts. Humility and the ability to just relax............some people aren't wired like that. Not good, not bad, it just is.
@@manhalen7046 good point.
I don’t think the East India Company’s exploits in India and Asia would be the best thing to compare yourself to. Very interesting conversation though and I’d like to see this continued.
I mean the east india company has one hell of a track record, and not just negative things either. The fact that a company managed to federate an entire sub-continent is pretty mental and I think that's what erik is referring to when he talks about it
Was there aver a round 2
What if it does take a Rocket Surgeon???
Andy, thanks for pushing back a few times on some of Erik's positions. My opinion is that he is advocating a dangerous and cynical path. I would argue all who think that Mr. Prince's methods are the better path should read Jeremy Scahill's Blackwater, alongside Erik's 2014 book Civilian Warriors. Both men have their agenda, and while I personally find Scahill's a more attractive agenda I think looking at both view points is valuable if we want to try and find a sense of "truth."
What some call an 'agenda' others see a service that cuts past a lot of red tape. The US military is starting to end up like what we have up here in Canada. Where every little step you take is being judged by some civilian lawyer looking to make a name for themselves. Contracting got past a lot of the red tape that allowed some warfighters to function how they were trained. Can it go bad? absolutely, but lets face it, it can go bad both ways. Nothing sucks more than watching ethnic cleansing going on while waiting for permission from the UN to engage.
Christopher Brennan His solution can’t be worse than what we’ve been doing for the past 18 years honestly
I would disagree with the premise of your statement. Just because previous attempts have failed to elicit positive outcomes does not mean that any alternative solution offered "can't be worse." Also, we would need to define what would constitute better.
I personally agree with the point Andy kept coming back to which is that the role of armed conflict ought to be the domain of the nation state actor operating under the flag of their country. Happy to have a deeper conversation about that point if someone actually cares to, feel free to DM.
Christopher Brennan I’ll pass
Frustrating. Andy was just getting warmed up. I highly doubt Prince will want to do a part 2/etc. His tone at the end said it all.
his intro to the podcast, where did that come from?
On RUclips, go to 'A 10 Close Air Support`
@@cheesiepizza7671 thanks man!
If you want to hear an interview with the pilot from that clip check out "the afterburn" podcast, episode #1. It's pretty cool.
@@kim-jong-poon oh man thank you i will totally be checking that out
@@kim-jong-poon maybe send a link, i'm finding lots of podcasts called that, much appreciated
plz add vids! nice podcast
Laying seige to an "Ancient" city
Eric prince was a seal for a month or two. A rich boy with something to prove to daddy
You must not have listened to the podcast. His dad died before his success. Plus you can’t choose your parents, he’s done a lot more than most people that come from wealth.
Truth is rich kids have no place in the military. Officer or enlisted. Mr lighted vanity mirror
He was a SEAL for 2 years. He deployed to Haiti, the Middle East, and the Balkans from '93-'95.
@@negativeionz his own people share my opinion. Conversation had standing ankle deep in brass
Motivational issue lol. That east India company... Horrible slave traders lol
Sure wish you would use video on your podcasts
Amen
this was some awesome shit right here! Ive always been interested in Mr. Prince's back story.
No easy solutions. Some great out of the box thinking.
Shockingly Christian. Hello my Angels 😇
BS To Gallager
Private warfighters.