If I buy a game, I want to play it 20 years in the future, if I want to. I bought a copy of the game and no one should be able to take it from me unless I want to give it up. If someone took a physical copy from me, it would be considered stealing and I pay the same price for the digital copy as I would for a physical one. If that's where it's going then pirating is not a sin anymore. At least you can get a 20-year-old game there and just start playing. This is ridiculous!
@@Prosthetics555 I buy games to support companies that I like (not Ubisoft) but seriously, if this is gonna happen then there's no reason to buy a game unless it's on physical media.
I can't remember if this is actually true or not, but I remember seeing something not long ago about how buying something physically actually doesn't mean you own it. Like the company could legally take your disc back or whatever. Again I could just be talking out of my ass right now, really can't remember how true this is
Alot of games that are old and have a disc (on pc) especially if they had a license key for it, were usually verified online. Which means while you have a disc, without the license key verification, that disc cant even be installed.
Films and streaming are different, we don't pay full price for them. But the fact that we pay full price for a AAA game and still don't own it, is really a shame!
The fact that games have been 60$ for give or take 20 years is quite insane. There is an argument to be made that for a long time now we have actually not been paying "full price"
You pay full price for AAA games? LOL Learn to be patient, and you don't have to pay full price at all, and you even get a better experience overall to boot.
in 2024 the (70 bucks) "full price" is not even the full price anymore. you don't even get the full experience, you only get to play the game 3 days after release date. If you want to play it on launch day, you have to buy the 90-110 usd version. thats insane. Still, many people fall for it...
Valve wasn't "courageous" to make the "purchasing" more transparent, they saw the pressure of new regulations. It's like crediting apple for bravely finally implementing USB-C when pressure came from EU regulatory bodies. Corporataions are not "brave". They're greedy.
Where have you gotten this language from? whoever said that Val was courageous? Whoever said that Apple is brave for switching to USB-C? Are you doing some type of fanfiction here?
@@ragekingleoTvDude once emulation is the only way to play, our amazing emulation community will always find a way... Hence why I don't understand why sooo many people hate on them, all they are trying to do is keep gaming preserved 🤷🏻♂️
@@vivi_75I think that is a thing of the past. 360 on for Microsoft, ps4 on for Sony, and presumably switch on for Nintendo will be the back compat norm as that is a very very easy way to keep people locked into your ecosystem for the long haul.
Solution is simple. Push for *DRM-FREE* digital. - A 'right to own' act. Corporate publishers must sell a DRM-free option alongside the life time of their regular corporate server dependent bull$#!t offerings.
100% agree. I see a lot of comments where people straight-up denounce digital goods, and I don't think that's the right mindset. Both physical and digital goods have their advantages, and there are just times when it is convenient to have things in digital form. But we need much better LAWS to help protect our assets we bought with hard-earned money.
I think it might be more complicated unless you make the law very specific to video games, and then you still have to ask why is it specific to video games. Digital goods is a very large net to cast, and to force companies to offer options to own would destroy some very obvious business models like Netflix, digital textbooks or even Windows. There is even proprietary software for industrial use, or CAD software that all fall under this umbrella. You even have something like RUclips. Even Jake would have to provide options to purchase this video. The truth is, it's not simple. Laws and legalese are complex and super specific for a reason. There is no good reason why "right to own" applies here, other than the fact that we use to be able to own it. That's just not a good enough reason. People are allowed to sell licenses to their software, it happened WAY before games.
The only real "major" good guys in the PC world are GoG. They give you full and I mean FULL ownership of a game. Sadly their store is kind of lacking outside of Cyberpunk and Witcher.
This idea that Steam/Valve were ever "consumer friendly" is one of the biggest psyops ever. In fact, a lot of the complaints that people have about the AAA game industry was pioneered by Valve.
We stopped owning games since it went online for downloads. The same goes for music, artwork, and literature. The only thing that is surprising to me is that people try to say that's not how it should be. People feel that way because consumers were never aware of the change from game companies.
Bro fr. Metaphor Refantazio alone is 80-100 hours long. I still want to play the Silent Hill 2 Remake sometime and Dragon Age The Veilguard releases in 2 weeks, that game is probably going to be another 80 hours long. These are just more recent games at that. I'm still trying to get to a few games that released last year. People always talk about how much games cost, but for me, the time investment is the real cost of playing a game. There's not enough hours in the day. lol
I had to read that twice, I thought you being witty and saying 'so much time, so few games to play'. Which would have been a perfect comment. How anybody can be spoilt for choice this generation is utterly beyond me...
yeah me too though there's still the problem of publishers only using the disc as a mean of "validation" where you still have to download the bulk of data, so even then physical can be useless
@@sambradley1256More like 3 years at most, next gen is on the horizon, and more than likely PS6 and Xbox Two Electric Boogaloo won't have a disc tray.
I’m around Jake’s age and I agree with him completely. You shouldn’t be able to take away something I paid for, I don’t like new releases being digital only etc, etc. That being said I haven’t bought a physical copy of a game in years. I’m impatient and lazy. You mean I can have it right now and I don’t even have to leave my house? Sign me the fuck up. I am the problem, surprise surprise.
This should make us pause and really just wait for sales on games because we don't own anything anymore. Paying 70 dollars for a a license or more sometimes with dlc, battle passes etc.
Bro, the industry is ending physical media and saying digital is Just a lincense até Full price. More and more the only way to really own somethin forever Will be pirating It and sabe the installer on your own backup server.
That's crazy cuz right now people are getting mad about fortnite bringing back old battle passes but you don't own the content in people are gay keeping their skins cuz they're rare but you have no value in that game anyway and it's also a digital game and it's free to play you Don't own the cosmetics you are buying in that game so epic can do whatever they want they can eventually turn off the service if they want to and all the rare does and what would they do they can't do anything it's epic game to be honest this needs to change though games where you should own them that's reason why I buy CDs always will and if they make it where digital takes over I will be done playing video games
The whole "licensing" hinges on a single court case where the company argued because you are downloading data from their servers you have a " reproduction" not a copy ( Which is covered under First sale doctrine) here are the problems 1. The data once downloaded exists on your computer and therefore since it was legally acquired is your possession. 2. The coming issue already seen in agricultural equipment. If you can't own software what happens when Microsoft decides to brick your computer because you haven't upgraded to Windows infinity? 3. Prove in a court of law that the purchaser of the licence was the one who agreed to its terms. The "I accept" button is not a signature and its legal status has not been clearly decided, with different courts giving different rulings. There is a lot more, but basically the corps are playing on the fact that there have been no clear laws written on digital content, if we were defaulting to laws on the books, this is all illegal.
I used to buy everything on steam (I have over 1k games there) up until last year, it started with pokemon but now I’ve started building a physical collection, the ps4 is now in the perfect time to buy games for it, all second hand copies are 10-20 bucks each
It kinda just sneaked its way in and we didn’t notice anything until now Also because digital storefronts say purchase or buy instead of rent or there’s no warning. The average gamer didn’t really think too much about it. now if it says rent they’ll probably be like hold up what’s going on here Making them look into this more corporations, companies, publishers don’t want you to be informed cuz that’s how they trick you into spending more They just want you to consume without giving it a second thought we needed this It’s a win Even though it’s small
@@whysoserious4274it's not a rent either, because there's not a fixed time period. There might never be, even with this, as of now, there hasn't been any single player game removed from steam libraries, ever. So I don't think there's a real concern for now.
I've become comfortable with the fact that I don't own my games. Dev's and publishers need to become comfortable with the fact I'm not going to pay top $ for a game I'm just RENTING!
I agree. I rarely pick upp an old game efter a couple of years. Not enough time in life to replay games. Thats way i like game pass play many games cheap and move on to the next new game.
Which is why it annoyed me when people blew over proportion and out of context the Ubisoft exec saying “before streaming is viable gamers need to be comfortable not owning games” BECAUSE YOU ALREADY DIDNT YOU FOOLS , rant over 😂
@@DanWMiller they won't. The problem is steam was never up front about it, and now its an issue of sunk cost fallacy. I have hundreds of games on my steam profile, so at this point it is what it is. Some games also are exclusively digital and don't have physical copies. Basically if you want to stay being a gamer you just have to accept it.
@@HaplessOne or we revolt and only by physical. I know steam users can't do that. I think that's what happens with the last console gen (PS4, Xbox One). They announce there wasn't going to be a disk drive and people were up in arms so they added one. Now with the new gen there you have an option at a 200 dollar difference though.
I buy physical goods, and I understand that some game discs are just key codes. I still would rather own the hard copy. Same with films and music. I am older and I won’t change.
Yeah, physical all the way! The notion that most physical copies are just discs with keycodes is overblown and sensationalized to push a digital-only agenda from PC gamers. The majority of discs still has the game inside, it's the copying from disc to drive process as well as day one updates that gets people confuse thinking it's an online installation, and the ones that actually do it like activision usually have a good reason bc most of their games are well in excess of 50gb that a blu ray disc can store.
@@AusOpeningNot to disagree, but we have quad layer 100 GB Blu Ray discs now. That's what the 4K Blu Ray format uses. Most* modern games could fit on 1, maybe 2, max. Even the bloated space hogs like COD would only take 3. This is something they could do, and relatively easily. The factories that make them already press millions of quad layer discs for the entire 4K UHD industry every year. They could easily make more if they were paid to The only downside is that because quad layers are so information dense, they're famously picky. Even a single fingerprint could obstruct the lasers path and prevent it from being read correctly. The laser has to read 4 layers of data that are nearly on top of each other. You could see how that'd be a problem if the discs aren't pristine Of course, the gaming industry would never do that because that'd take their power trip of total control that they could take anything at any time from anyone for any reason, without even needing to issue a refund, away from them. They'd never release that kind of power. That's why they hate piracy so much. The "lost sales" is only an excuse. It drives them nuts that there's copies out there that are preserved. That they can't touch, or take away from people. I don't feel bad for them. They deserve every bit of it. They don't care enough to preserve their own history and the history of the medium in the name of their obsession with power and money. Unfortunately for them, someone else does. Criminals? Maybe, legally speaking, but the real criminals are the companies that stole ownership from everyone
I got a PS Vita for Christmas around when they first came out. The PS Vita stopped getting supported only a few years after it’s release. When they closed the store and took Vita copies of games off too, I realized that I have absolutely no ownership besides the device I’m playing said games on. That actually hurt when it stopped being supported. Bought a few movies from PlayStation as well and I can’t watch them anymore because they got rid of the service that I bought it from lol. I can’t help but feel robbed anytime I make a purchase above $5.00 anymore when it comes to digital. If I was a PC gamer, I think I’d pirate games tbh.
Jake, here’s the deal, you never owned any of your games. Find the paperwork for Mario on the NES and it will have license language. If you own the game you own the source code and can do whatever you want with it, which developers and publishers do not want. The reason it felt like we owned games was because there was no internet to turn the game off when the devs/pubs wanted. I have no idea if you can message on here any more but I will happily go into the legal nitty gritty of this. The language will nearly always be along the lines of “a paid up, revocable, non-exclusive [might have geographical limitations, might not] license to…” Seriously, very happy to explain this
@@born2serve92 it’s wildly frustrating that we are out here willing to explain it to them, but they have no care to understand. Similarly, how they fail to understand how business works and are confused by the Microsoft Game Studios closures
I exclusively play games on PC at this point, so I would buy physical discs for games if they sold them, but digital is all we got with exceptions for really old games. Steam has been very reliable up to this point, but it’s always a concern that my giant Steam library isn’t much more than a temporary rental list.
Not only should these digital licenses be cheaper but we should also know when these licenses are expired. They shouldn't be able to just take it away from us at any point in time
I can't stand DRM. I understand why companies may resort to embedding it into their games, but it's pretty scummy shit in my opinion. I've essentially switched to GOG full time at this point. CDPR has taken a pretty hard stance against DRM, plus it's nice to be able to play my games without a launcher.
Before anyone thinks the solutions is too complicated, it's not!! Just have to remember decades ago buying games actually meant owning them, before all the corporate server hooks.
I am curious how this applies to old games, lets say games released 10+ years ago on Steam. Since with transparency it's now digital licensing ownership, but back then it wasn't clear. So would that be considered false advertising, are they going to be required to keep those legacy titles available to at least download for those who purchased them? Now and days I think its a bit more obvious you are only buying a license when digitally downloading but back in 2003/2004 when Steam and digital games where new that wasn't really clear. Seeing DS store get removed was the first time we really saw digital games become unavailable. Note the Xbox 360/PS3 store is another example though many of those games are on the current console eco system. Though not all.
As someone who writes contracts for a living this has always been a thing. Even on cartridge or a disc you don't technically own that thing. The difference is now with a digital product these companies now have the right to revoke your license, or take away your game, whenever they want, and it's legal because of the way the dynamic works between customers and the company. You are essentially giving money to someone for the right to play a game, and that company builds into the contract you sign by purchasing the game that you agree that the company can take it away or alter it anytime they want. If real change is to happen laws need to be introduced that cover ownership of licenses in more detail. Right now companies can legally do whatever they want with these because licenses are considered services, and not commodities. The laws in place that govern all of this stuff dates back to the early 90s. Things need to change, but as of now Congress cares more about villifying their opponents and keeping power rather than passing law that helps us.
Sparking Zero isnt nostalgia, its just a prefered game style imo. Plenty of people didnt like the other games, FighterZ was good but many dont do hardcore fighting games, and Xenoverse was different too and a whole other ball of wax. The Sparking games are probably the best "arena fighter" style of game out there and just the best way to have fun with Dragonball, one of the biggest properties worldwide (edit Accessible. That was the word i was looking for. Story wise yeah its gonna go over the same stuff but with Super added I assume.)
Correct. It's not hardcore like Tekken or others. But that's not its point. Its purpose is just to be fun and it succeeds at that. Not everything has to be hardcore.
100% I didn't buy the game because of nostalgia, because I like DB or its story or because of Toriyama sensei's passing. I bought it because it's fun, the core gameplay is great, its the only new game that lets you teleport behind your opponent by timing to counter attack, lets you charge up your meter anytime for rapid ki blasts and moves, transformations for so many characters, literally choosable so many characters, what if storylines and I'm not even a fan of Dragon Ball pre and past Z
Music streaming, RUclips, and Netflix was the start of it. I think in the gaming sphere specifically b/c PC gaming as a platform has become more mainstream and only continues to grow in size and popularity that with that most of us know we have to accept everything is digital, and because of that we've excepted everywhere else. i remember when I got my first gaming PC 10yrs ago prior to it I was all about physical media, movies, songs (at least files on a usb), games for my 360, 3DS, ever since ive only retain media as digital, last physical PC game I got was GTA5.
I’m not saying that I support this at all but piracy is one of the few remaining ways where you actually own the game once you get it. Piracy is the only way to get so many games now and you can archive them; burn them to a disk, etc. I have so many pirated games burned to a disk from when I was a kid. I even printed labels for the games so They look nice on my Shelf. I don’t do it anymore but still it’s interesting.
@@dawickedj It cant be called stealing if youre never allowed to own it. Hell, the corpor bros are saying even if you buy something, you dont actually own it.
@@lordxmugen Just because we can't own it, doesn't mean corporations can't. They own the IP and any unauthorized usage is stealing from them. If you want to OWN a game/movie you have to be the creator/studio. It's been that way for 50+ years, you could "buy" a movie but you weren't allowed to show it to anyone without "express written permission." I support the cause, but let's not act like it's legal even if it is ethical.
Can you imagine putting in Mario Galaxy and being told you can’t play it. Where will these games be in 20 yrs? This is a bigger issue than what’s being said!_
A new anime, the last project that Toriyama worked on before his passing, Dragon Ball Daima also started airing on October 11th, the release date of Sparking Zero
I personally absolutely hate this... I don't get why it's a thing and with how much games cost only for a company to be like "nope no more fun for you" and just yoink it from your account is so scummy
Legacy of Goku was criminally underrated. I loved the fusion of RPG elements and "open area" level combat. Still got my GBA cartridge but I'd re-buy on digital in a heartbeat too.
I definitely think the culture has shifted more towards digital and that has made people comfortable. That's part of why you see push back. They won't care until it effects them. That's how it always goes with stuff like this.
First it was music, then it was movies, and now it's video games. Even now you see concerts being held in video games such as Fortnite or in VR sometimes. Entertainment is slowly becoming digital more and more over time.
I mean pc is the only device that actually offers drm free platforms like gog. With that you at least know for sure that you actually own that digital game. That option isn’t available on consoles
sea people,modding and no extra cost to play online..also i hear console user that always cry about this.. i already accept the term not owning game since 2012
But then realize they want to install that 20 yr old game via cd....only to realize they have to buy an external dvd drive to it be read....im staring at my UT 2004 physical copy sitting in my desk thay would be cool to install, but cant without buying one.
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I understand when you own a physical thing no one will come into your home and take it away, but even back when everything was physical we were licensing games. You didn’t own Super Mario Bros. You owned a cartridge with a licensed copy of the game.
I’d say that if we don’t actually own our digital games then we should be able to return the access and get money back since the license will return to the actual content owner.
Why do I get the feeling that thing with Steam, and eventually all the others, will make it easier for games to be taken away. Now they just have to say that we were told up front that they could be and that's it.
The origin of owning a licence instead of a the game outright was so that you couldn't legally give copies to friends (you don't have that level of ownership). The real problem (which the California rulings don't address) is that companies now revoke licences that are your property for their own reasons.
Yes and no. Software is being placed onto a hardware device, therefore while you might lose access to an online server and updates; you will always have the game itself. Nobody can remove it from your library or block you from playing it due to a voided license or something.
@@kreator6959 You're wrong. The physical games have a license as well, the point is that they can't take away the DVD from you by coming at your house.
For a new pc it would, if they went down and you didnt update it to not open, it would still open offline and if the game didnt have an always online then you could still play it. Its like saying if your pc dosnt have internet you couldn't play your steam library
@@clickboom3231 No, he means if Steam ever shuts down completely, your library is gone and you will not be refunded either. Putting so much faith in one company is the risk with digital.
No, software has always been licensed not owned since 70s. The disc you bought is just a media. Not that i like the disappearing of physical media but software(and music) has always been licensed. Also in California everything gives you cance according to the law.
California Proposition 65 Warning is on literally everything. California should just become it's own country. We could then make Puerto Rico a state (instead of a territory) and not even change the US Flag. Lets do it!
I will NEVER stop buying physical. Music, movies, and games. Having the box with the cover art or even artwork booklets inside, then having a CD/DVD to hold in your hand. It’s just unbeatable in my eyes. I don’t get why people are okay with the idea of paying to own nothing.
I think people are overestimating the importance of physical games and not paying enough attention to DRM. I have a few very old PC games on DVD-ROMs which came out before Steam was a thing. They require a very obscure online check method to activate the installed game, and the servers have been long shut down. So nowadays even if I own the physical copies, even if I can install them on my PC, I can not play them because of the dead DRM. On the other hand if you digitally buy games from GOG, you can just download the files and play them 30 years later. You can even burn them on DVDs to make you own physical copies. So the real problem is not about whether you own a hard copy of the game, it's about whether you are allowed to play the game even if you own the files of it. Steam doesn't allow you to play your games without its permission, so you don't own them. GOG and most physical console games don't care. You pay the price, and it's all yours. That's why you actually own them despite GOG are still digital-only.
Didnt know thats the way it works. tough for me because i live in a country where physical disks are not very easy to find as cheaply as they are on the digital stores
For couch coop on DBSZ (on PC), check out the LFSE (let's fight somewhere else) mod. Very simple to use, and lets you pick any stage on local versus (since there's nothing in the game's code preventing this from happening). I have an older card and the game ran fine on max settings (1080p tho) even in a more complex stage.
Btw for sparking zero, local co-op wasn't gonna be in the game on launch at all. Once they heard the fan outcry they started putting together what we have now. Definitely a little unfortunate, and there are arguments to be made about why they thought that was a good idea in the first place, but I think it's cool that they took that feedback and actually tried to do something about it. Hopefully it can get more fleshed out with updates.
The big difference from games to movies and music is once the games aren't sold anymore they're gone forever songs don't disappear movies don't disappear. You can always find them somewhere. But companies quit selling old games and that's just the end of it or even if you buy a disc copy the servers get shut down so you can't play anymore. You only have the game for as long as they support it but you can go listen to music from before you were born
The Dragon Ball game I'd want to see next is Dragon Ball Fusions 2. The original game on 3DS had an incredibly addicting "collect them all" mechanic to it that I'd love to see again.
I’m with you, Jake. I love Steamdeck the most - and a dog DOES help with anything! And as far as the “not owning your games” issue… Streaming music and videos is similar, to a point. Unless you own the CD or DVD, when the steamer decides not to offer that thing any more it goes away for good. You can physically record music - or even videos, I suppose - but you can’t do that with games. Even now, if you have a game disc, lack of online features and the inevitable updates can cripple it. And I started gaming in the mid 1990s, when a physical disc WAS the game. If I still had my OG PlayStation and a CRT TV, I could still play that game.
I bet they'll start putting more restrictions on physical disks. Slap always-online into a game and it won't matter if you have a digital or physical "license".
It always blew my mind this almost NEVER came up when people claim a PC is better than a disc drive-less console…did they never realize steam games are digital and not physical??
Split-screen was not intended to be in Sparking! ZERO for several reasons. The game's focus was online gameplay and they also had a hard time optimizing the game running in split-screen since they'd need to render everything twice. After seeing the feedback from the community they did get it to work in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber since it's literally just a mostly empty map. They did say there's a chance for more maps to be added into split-screen in the future if they work out the kinks and get the performance up to par. Of course, if you own the game on PC a mod came out during early access that allows you to fight on all maps(even unavailable ones that appear in cutscenes).
Digital music was always an improvement over physical music because it's higher quality, physically takes little to no space, can be carried anywhere, plus the amount you pay for a subscription per month is 3x cheaper than it would cost to buy a single 20 song album. Not to mention you have access to literal MILLIONS of songs.
It's insane, the ground is shrinking beneath us 😮💨 there should be a restructure of pricing in gaming at this point since the term have changed so much and apparently in worst cases they can just revoke a license. Can't imagine paying full price only to have it taken away a few years later.
I mean tbf in steam account settings it's always been pretty clear, all your games are listed under a "view licenses and product key activations" section. Plus I've had numerous games just close their doors on me like Dungeonland or State of Decay (retitled to State of Decay: Year One)
You know what’s funny? Since I bought my ps5 disc version over 2 years ago I haven’t bought a single physical copy of a game. Call me lazy but it’s the convenience. I still hold on to all my old games, and the details they used to put into the box and booklets is unreal. End of an era.
We need the Legacy of Goku games ported as a collection, 1000%. I still think DB could do a lot of other things too that aren’t just the typical rehashing. Survival horror was unprecedented for a DB game but we still got the Breakers in all its…uh…glory?
O no, the horror that people don't own digital games. Who would have seen this coming? O thats right everyone that has been talking about this for years, but a lot chose to ignore for convenience.
imo the debate between digital vs physical should just be preference and both ways should have been an actual purchase you own, blaming the customer for the companies' decision doesn't make sense. for example, if you pirate a game, you own it and it's digital. unfortunately we don't own our physical games most often, since they require updates or online connections to play, so its no different except you get to see it on a shelf. thinking valve is good guy for getting ahead of the new law is weird. they're still only doing it because of the law and if they were the good guy they would have done it long before now.
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Sounds to me like digital game prices should be significantly lower than physical game prices.
Yeah, digital is often more expensive if anything
It used to be
Should be, but isn't, that's why they want to try to get rid of physical.
Physical games have been more cheaper for years now.
@@enginerunsablehow is this possible...
If I buy a game, I want to play it 20 years in the future, if I want to. I bought a copy of the game and no one should be able to take it from me unless I want to give it up. If someone took a physical copy from me, it would be considered stealing and I pay the same price for the digital copy as I would for a physical one. If that's where it's going then pirating is not a sin anymore. At least you can get a 20-year-old game there and just start playing. This is ridiculous!
Amen to that.
If a game is cracked, why buy it? The last thing I remember buying in the last 10 ish years was D4 and what a waste even that was.
@@Prosthetics555 I buy games to support companies that I like (not Ubisoft) but seriously, if this is gonna happen then there's no reason to buy a game unless it's on physical media.
I can't remember if this is actually true or not, but I remember seeing something not long ago about how buying something physically actually doesn't mean you own it. Like the company could legally take your disc back or whatever. Again I could just be talking out of my ass right now, really can't remember how true this is
Alot of games that are old and have a disc (on pc) especially if they had a license key for it, were usually verified online. Which means while you have a disc, without the license key verification, that disc cant even be installed.
Films and streaming are different, we don't pay full price for them. But the fact that we pay full price for a AAA game and still don't own it, is really a shame!
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The fact that games have been 60$ for give or take 20 years is quite insane. There is an argument to be made that for a long time now we have actually not been paying "full price"
You pay full price for AAA games? LOL Learn to be patient, and you don't have to pay full price at all, and you even get a better experience overall to boot.
in 2024 the (70 bucks) "full price" is not even the full price anymore. you don't even get the full experience, you only get to play the game 3 days after release date. If you want to play it on launch day, you have to buy the 90-110 usd version. thats insane. Still, many people fall for it...
u can still buy physical 4k discs and blurays and own them y not own what u like subscriptions are u just burning ur money
Valve wasn't "courageous" to make the "purchasing" more transparent, they saw the pressure of new regulations.
It's like crediting apple for bravely finally implementing USB-C when pressure came from EU regulatory bodies.
Corporataions are not "brave". They're greedy.
Valve is just getting ahead of what they know they’re about to be forced to do.
Where have you gotten this language from? whoever said that Val was courageous? Whoever said that Apple is brave for switching to USB-C? Are you doing some type of fanfiction here?
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Good point, Ubi takes all the blame, when all of them are guilty of the same
@abdalla8558 Yeah Ubi is just the latest punching bag, it used to be EA, the gaming "community" is just all in a negative flux
GOG you buy it, download it, and play offline.
Lot of games you can't play online
@@ragekingleoTv any examples? All of the online games in my collection work fine
@@ragekingleoTvDude once emulation is the only way to play, our amazing emulation community will always find a way... Hence why I don't understand why sooo many people hate on them, all they are trying to do is keep gaming preserved 🤷🏻♂️
@ADRzone Exaclty, you can barely buy any older games from previous generations.
@@vivi_75I think that is a thing of the past. 360 on for Microsoft, ps4 on for Sony, and presumably switch on for Nintendo will be the back compat norm as that is a very very easy way to keep people locked into your ecosystem for the long haul.
Solution is simple.
Push for *DRM-FREE* digital. - A 'right to own' act.
Corporate publishers must sell a DRM-free option alongside the life time of their regular corporate server dependent bull$#!t offerings.
100% agree. I see a lot of comments where people straight-up denounce digital goods, and I don't think that's the right mindset. Both physical and digital goods have their advantages, and there are just times when it is convenient to have things in digital form. But we need much better LAWS to help protect our assets we bought with hard-earned money.
Think you hit the nail on the head. Not just for consumer protection, but from a preservation standpoint too.
I think it might be more complicated unless you make the law very specific to video games, and then you still have to ask why is it specific to video games. Digital goods is a very large net to cast, and to force companies to offer options to own would destroy some very obvious business models like Netflix, digital textbooks or even Windows. There is even proprietary software for industrial use, or CAD software that all fall under this umbrella. You even have something like RUclips. Even Jake would have to provide options to purchase this video.
The truth is, it's not simple. Laws and legalese are complex and super specific for a reason. There is no good reason why "right to own" applies here, other than the fact that we use to be able to own it. That's just not a good enough reason. People are allowed to sell licenses to their software, it happened WAY before games.
GOG are the leaders here. Always DRM free, they're pretty awesome.
If I'm buying a license that can be revoked, the price should be much cheaper!!
agreed. I just wait for steam sales - deep sales or sites that sell codes
This is not "good guy Valve" lol, they're just getting ahead of a law.
The only real "major" good guys in the PC world are GoG. They give you full and I mean FULL ownership of a game. Sadly their store is kind of lacking outside of Cyberpunk and Witcher.
This idea that Steam/Valve were ever "consumer friendly" is one of the biggest psyops ever.
In fact, a lot of the complaints that people have about the AAA game industry was pioneered by Valve.
We stopped owning games since it went online for downloads. The same goes for music, artwork, and literature. The only thing that is surprising to me is that people try to say that's not how it should be. People feel that way because consumers were never aware of the change from game companies.
So many games, so little time to play 😢
its brutal
Bro fr. Metaphor Refantazio alone is 80-100 hours long. I still want to play the Silent Hill 2 Remake sometime and Dragon Age The Veilguard releases in 2 weeks, that game is probably going to be another 80 hours long. These are just more recent games at that. I'm still trying to get to a few games that released last year.
People always talk about how much games cost, but for me, the time investment is the real cost of playing a game. There's not enough hours in the day. lol
I had to read that twice, I thought you being witty and saying 'so much time, so few games to play'. Which would have been a perfect comment. How anybody can be spoilt for choice this generation is utterly beyond me...
@@JakeBaldino A really good video on clearing your gaming backlog by @DarylTalksGames ruclips.net/video/BuszSUI_qBY/видео.html
I’ll die on the hill of physical games.
yeah me too
though there's still the problem of publishers only using the disc as a mean of "validation" where you still have to download the bulk of data, so even then physical can be useless
Welcome to the last five years of your life.
@@sambradley1256More like 3 years at most, next gen is on the horizon, and more than likely PS6 and Xbox Two Electric Boogaloo won't have a disc tray.
And what we have been saying for years why physical media is important. Now you are seeing the seeds of evil
I’m around Jake’s age and I agree with him completely. You shouldn’t be able to take away something I paid for, I don’t like new releases being digital only etc, etc. That being said I haven’t bought a physical copy of a game in years. I’m impatient and lazy. You mean I can have it right now and I don’t even have to leave my house? Sign me the fuck up. I am the problem, surprise surprise.
This should make us pause and really just wait for sales on games because we don't own anything anymore. Paying 70 dollars for a a license or more sometimes with dlc, battle passes etc.
Bro, the industry is ending physical media and saying digital is Just a lincense até Full price. More and more the only way to really own somethin forever Will be pirating It and sabe the installer on your own backup server.
not gonna happen tho
That's crazy cuz right now people are getting mad about fortnite bringing back old battle passes but you don't own the content in people are gay keeping their skins cuz they're rare but you have no value in that game anyway and it's also a digital game and it's free to play you Don't own the cosmetics you are buying in that game so epic can do whatever they want they can eventually turn off the service if they want to and all the rare does and what would they do they can't do anything it's epic game to be honest this needs to change though games where you should own them that's reason why I buy CDs always will and if they make it where digital takes over I will be done playing video games
Yes 👍
Havent bought a full price game in years tbh
The whole "licensing" hinges on a single court case where the company argued because you are downloading data from their servers you have a " reproduction" not a copy ( Which is covered under First sale doctrine) here are the problems 1. The data once downloaded exists on your computer and therefore since it was legally acquired is your possession. 2. The coming issue already seen in agricultural equipment. If you can't own software what happens when Microsoft decides to brick your computer because you haven't upgraded to Windows infinity? 3. Prove in a court of law that the purchaser of the licence was the one who agreed to its terms. The "I accept" button is not a signature and its legal status has not been clearly decided, with different courts giving different rulings. There is a lot more, but basically the corps are playing on the fact that there have been no clear laws written on digital content, if we were defaulting to laws on the books, this is all illegal.
Yea that entire thing needs to be re evaluated. If I'm paying $70+ for a new game, companies shouldn't be able to just remove it from my hard drive.
This @@CartoonHangout
@@SolidSnake240and since when were they ever able to take a game off a hard drive. That’s literally impossible
I used to buy everything on steam (I have over 1k games there) up until last year, it started with pokemon but now I’ve started building a physical collection, the ps4 is now in the perfect time to buy games for it, all second hand copies are 10-20 bucks each
Diversify that gaming portfolio!
... Did people only just realize this about Steam? Wtf...?
I know right. Suddenly they are worried about something they have been ok with. People are really dumb sometimes.
I had no idea 20 years ago that I didn't own my Steam games.
It kinda just sneaked its way in and we didn’t notice anything until now
Also because digital storefronts say purchase or buy instead of rent or there’s no warning.
The average gamer didn’t really think too much about it.
now if it says rent they’ll probably be like hold up what’s going on here
Making them look into this more
corporations, companies, publishers don’t want you to be informed cuz that’s how they trick you into spending more
They just want you to consume without giving it a second thought
we needed this
It’s a win
Even though it’s small
@@whysoserious4274it's not a rent either, because there's not a fixed time period. There might never be, even with this, as of now, there hasn't been any single player game removed from steam libraries, ever. So I don't think there's a real concern for now.
Purchasing a game on any store and then eventually losing it or having them be able to delete it is wrong.
That’s my hard earned cash.
I've become comfortable with the fact that I don't own my games. Dev's and publishers need to become comfortable with the fact I'm not going to pay top $ for a game I'm just RENTING!
I agree. I rarely pick upp an old game efter a couple of years. Not enough time in life to replay games. Thats way i like game pass play many games cheap and move on to the next new game.
Which is why it annoyed me when people blew over proportion and out of context the Ubisoft exec saying “before streaming is viable gamers need to be comfortable not owning games” BECAUSE YOU ALREADY DIDNT YOU FOOLS , rant over 😂
I still see comments about that on anything Ubisoft related, curious if those same people will stop using Steam now as well
@@DanWMiller they won't. The problem is steam was never up front about it, and now its an issue of sunk cost fallacy. I have hundreds of games on my steam profile, so at this point it is what it is. Some games also are exclusively digital and don't have physical copies. Basically if you want to stay being a gamer you just have to accept it.
Physical still allows me to sell the game. It allows me to borrow the game. I own more of the game than the digital version if I own the physical.
@@HaplessOne or we revolt and only by physical. I know steam users can't do that.
I think that's what happens with the last console gen (PS4, Xbox One). They announce there wasn't going to be a disk drive and people were up in arms so they added one. Now with the new gen there you have an option at a 200 dollar difference though.
I get that reaction from players. Not all of them were PC players.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'll tell you what I am - I'm a consumer. And I'm not agreeable to paying maximum retail price for a rented digital product.
If purchasing isn't ownership then piracy isn't theft.
You'll own nothing and be happy.
🎉
No law ever said that piracy is theft, that's why piracy laws are separate.
This phrase was invented by middle schoolers
@@_Super_Hans_ Internet pedantry award, congrats
I buy physical goods, and I understand that some game discs are just key codes. I still would rather own the hard copy. Same with films and music. I am older and I won’t change.
Yeah, physical all the way! The notion that most physical copies are just discs with keycodes is overblown and sensationalized to push a digital-only agenda from PC gamers. The majority of discs still has the game inside, it's the copying from disc to drive process as well as day one updates that gets people confuse thinking it's an online installation, and the ones that actually do it like activision usually have a good reason bc most of their games are well in excess of 50gb that a blu ray disc can store.
@@AusOpeningNot to disagree, but we have quad layer 100 GB Blu Ray discs now. That's what the 4K Blu Ray format uses. Most* modern games could fit on 1, maybe 2, max. Even the bloated space hogs like COD would only take 3. This is something they could do, and relatively easily. The factories that make them already press millions of quad layer discs for the entire 4K UHD industry every year. They could easily make more if they were paid to
The only downside is that because quad layers are so information dense, they're famously picky. Even a single fingerprint could obstruct the lasers path and prevent it from being read correctly. The laser has to read 4 layers of data that are nearly on top of each other. You could see how that'd be a problem if the discs aren't pristine
Of course, the gaming industry would never do that because that'd take their power trip of total control that they could take anything at any time from anyone for any reason, without even needing to issue a refund, away from them. They'd never release that kind of power. That's why they hate piracy so much. The "lost sales" is only an excuse. It drives them nuts that there's copies out there that are preserved. That they can't touch, or take away from people. I don't feel bad for them. They deserve every bit of it. They don't care enough to preserve their own history and the history of the medium in the name of their obsession with power and money. Unfortunately for them, someone else does. Criminals? Maybe, legally speaking, but the real criminals are the companies that stole ownership from everyone
@@AusOpening For PC games, that generally is the case unfortunately. Most "physical" copies are literally just a blank DVD with a Steam code attached.
If buying isn’t owning
Piracy isn’t stealing
I got a PS Vita for Christmas around when they first came out. The PS Vita stopped getting supported only a few years after it’s release. When they closed the store and took Vita copies of games off too, I realized that I have absolutely no ownership besides the device I’m playing said games on.
That actually hurt when it stopped being supported.
Bought a few movies from PlayStation as well and I can’t watch them anymore because they got rid of the service that I bought it from lol.
I can’t help but feel robbed anytime I make a purchase above $5.00 anymore when it comes to digital. If I was a PC gamer, I think I’d pirate games tbh.
Jake, here’s the deal, you never owned any of your games. Find the paperwork for Mario on the NES and it will have license language. If you own the game you own the source code and can do whatever you want with it, which developers and publishers do not want. The reason it felt like we owned games was because there was no internet to turn the game off when the devs/pubs wanted. I have no idea if you can message on here any more but I will happily go into the legal nitty gritty of this. The language will nearly always be along the lines of “a paid up, revocable, non-exclusive [might have geographical limitations, might not] license to…” Seriously, very happy to explain this
this^^ they own the IP and own everything. You have the right to use it.
@@born2serve92 it’s wildly frustrating that we are out here willing to explain it to them, but they have no care to understand. Similarly, how they fail to understand how business works and are confused by the Microsoft Game Studios closures
We pay more now for a digital game then we did for a physical game with case, booklet, cover art, and we owned it
I exclusively play games on PC at this point, so I would buy physical discs for games if they sold them, but digital is all we got with exceptions for really old games. Steam has been very reliable up to this point, but it’s always a concern that my giant Steam library isn’t much more than a temporary rental list.
Not only should these digital licenses be cheaper but we should also know when these licenses are expired. They shouldn't be able to just take it away from us at any point in time
I can't stand DRM. I understand why companies may resort to embedding it into their games, but it's pretty scummy shit in my opinion. I've essentially switched to GOG full time at this point. CDPR has taken a pretty hard stance against DRM, plus it's nice to be able to play my games without a launcher.
A temporary game license shouldn't cost $70. Even if it takes 10 to 20 years for a game to go offline it's temporary if you can't play it anymore.
Before anyone thinks the solutions is too complicated, it's not!!
Just have to remember decades ago buying games actually meant owning them, before all the corporate server hooks.
That was more due to technical limitations as there was no Internet or high-speed broadband access.
16:16 I love that cover with Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self taking care of krypto it’s so cute and adorable. 🥰
Even with physical copies of games the company can release an update that makes the game unplayable
Where’s the pizza?
Fr he can’t keep getting away with this
It's not Friday! I thought it was a Friday thing
You don’t own the pizza
I am curious how this applies to old games, lets say games released 10+ years ago on Steam. Since with transparency it's now digital licensing ownership, but back then it wasn't clear. So would that be considered false advertising, are they going to be required to keep those legacy titles available to at least download for those who purchased them? Now and days I think its a bit more obvious you are only buying a license when digitally downloading but back in 2003/2004 when Steam and digital games where new that wasn't really clear. Seeing DS store get removed was the first time we really saw digital games become unavailable. Note the Xbox 360/PS3 store is another example though many of those games are on the current console eco system. Though not all.
Oh I'm sure it does. I mean, Valve called their Terms of Service a "Subscribers Agreement" not long after they started Steam.
James Gunn made a talking shark, tree, and racoon work. He can make Krypto work easily.
great point! I have faith
As someone who writes contracts for a living this has always been a thing. Even on cartridge or a disc you don't technically own that thing. The difference is now with a digital product these companies now have the right to revoke your license, or take away your game, whenever they want, and it's legal because of the way the dynamic works between customers and the company. You are essentially giving money to someone for the right to play a game, and that company builds into the contract you sign by purchasing the game that you agree that the company can take it away or alter it anytime they want. If real change is to happen laws need to be introduced that cover ownership of licenses in more detail. Right now companies can legally do whatever they want with these because licenses are considered services, and not commodities. The laws in place that govern all of this stuff dates back to the early 90s. Things need to change, but as of now Congress cares more about villifying their opponents and keeping power rather than passing law that helps us.
Sparking Zero isnt nostalgia, its just a prefered game style imo. Plenty of people didnt like the other games, FighterZ was good but many dont do hardcore fighting games, and Xenoverse was different too and a whole other ball of wax. The Sparking games are probably the best "arena fighter" style of game out there and just the best way to have fun with Dragonball, one of the biggest properties worldwide (edit Accessible. That was the word i was looking for. Story wise yeah its gonna go over the same stuff but with Super added I assume.)
right it’s insane he couldn’t even say it was a good game just that everything else recently is bad
Correct. It's not hardcore like Tekken or others. But that's not its point. Its purpose is just to be fun and it succeeds at that. Not everything has to be hardcore.
100%
I didn't buy the game because of nostalgia, because I like DB or its story or because of Toriyama sensei's passing. I bought it because it's fun, the core gameplay is great, its the only new game that lets you teleport behind your opponent by timing to counter attack, lets you charge up your meter anytime for rapid ki blasts and moves, transformations for so many characters, literally choosable so many characters, what if storylines and I'm not even a fan of Dragon Ball pre and past Z
Music streaming, RUclips, and Netflix was the start of it. I think in the gaming sphere specifically b/c PC gaming as a platform has become more mainstream and only continues to grow in size and popularity that with that most of us know we have to accept everything is digital, and because of that we've excepted everywhere else. i remember when I got my first gaming PC 10yrs ago prior to it I was all about physical media, movies, songs (at least files on a usb), games for my 360, 3DS, ever since ive only retain media as digital, last physical PC game I got was GTA5.
That image of the guy holding his 'license' for CSGO had me dying
If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing
I’m not saying that I support this at all but piracy is one of the few remaining ways where you actually own the game once you get it. Piracy is the only way to get so many games now and you can archive them; burn them to a disk, etc. I have so many pirated games burned to a disk from when I was a kid. I even printed labels for the games so
They look nice on my
Shelf. I don’t do it anymore but still it’s interesting.
I too enjoy sailing the high seas from time to time, but frankly it is currently seen as theft. You don't own things you stole, you just possess them.
@@dawickedj It cant be called stealing if youre never allowed to own it. Hell, the corpor bros are saying even if you buy something, you dont actually own it.
@@lordxmugen Just because we can't own it, doesn't mean corporations can't. They own the IP and any unauthorized usage is stealing from them. If you want to OWN a game/movie you have to be the creator/studio. It's been that way for 50+ years, you could "buy" a movie but you weren't allowed to show it to anyone without "express written permission."
I support the cause, but let's not act like it's legal even if it is ethical.
I really didn’t think anyone else played those legacy of goku games! That’s a core memory right there
Can you imagine putting in Mario Galaxy and being told you can’t play it. Where will these games be in 20 yrs? This is a bigger issue than what’s being said!_
A new anime, the last project that Toriyama worked on before his passing, Dragon Ball Daima also started airing on October 11th, the release date of Sparking Zero
I personally absolutely hate this... I don't get why it's a thing and with how much games cost only for a company to be like "nope no more fun for you" and just yoink it from your account is so scummy
Legacy of Goku was criminally underrated. I loved the fusion of RPG elements and "open area" level combat. Still got my GBA cartridge but I'd re-buy on digital in a heartbeat too.
i hope nintendo stays physical
Thanks Jake for the videos always love to watch ya
I definitely think the culture has shifted more towards digital and that has made people comfortable. That's part of why you see push back. They won't care until it effects them. That's how it always goes with stuff like this.
First it was music, then it was movies, and now it's video games.
Even now you see concerts being held in video games such as Fortnite or in VR sometimes. Entertainment is slowly becoming digital more and more over time.
Somehow I think this is going to allow them to become even more restricted and reckless with issuing and withdrawing licences as publishers see fit
People would cry about digital games but will pound their chest saying they are pc gamers….,
I mean pc is the only device that actually offers drm free platforms like gog. With that you at least know for sure that you actually own that digital game. That option isn’t available on consoles
sea people,modding and no extra cost to play online..also i hear console user that always cry about this.. i already accept the term not owning game since 2012
But then realize they want to install that 20 yr old game via cd....only to realize they have to buy an external dvd drive to it be read....im staring at my UT 2004 physical copy sitting in my desk thay would be cool to install, but cant without buying one.
@@kingbbarry external disc drives are so cheap these days; get one, for UT2004 alone it's worth it!
@@tetchedskate3366 Yeah, but the vast majority of games are not on GoG unfortunately.
15:10 dude, that's Ralph, I don't care what anyone says, that is 100% Ralph from Skillup right there.
Well yeah. That's what the S is for on his chest
People who say digital is better than physical just really have no idea what they are talking about
convenience sure but buying a game? holding a cool box? you just had to be there. so much better lol
People who try to tell other people what’s better just really have no idea what they are talking about ❤
@@Michael-fs1cw just admit you don’t know anything kid
@@JakeBaldino right on, there's no comparison
I still enjoy the new game smell
13:00 "Nostalgia Cells." Well played, Jake. Well played. 😂
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That is a VERY cool pen
4:45 that is a hilarious stock image 😂
I understand when you own a physical thing no one will come into your home and take it away, but even back when everything was physical we were licensing games.
You didn’t own Super Mario Bros.
You owned a cartridge with a licensed copy of the game.
Nintendo blacklist their old games cause they cant make anything as good 😅
I’d say that if we don’t actually own our digital games then we should be able to return the access and get money back since the license will return to the actual content owner.
Why do I get the feeling that thing with Steam, and eventually all the others, will make it easier for games to be taken away. Now they just have to say that we were told up front that they could be and that's it.
The origin of owning a licence instead of a the game outright was so that you couldn't legally give copies to friends (you don't have that level of ownership). The real problem (which the California rulings don't address) is that companies now revoke licences that are your property for their own reasons.
isn't a disc also a license
that's why you can't copy and redistribute it
No its not, its your own personal copy which doesn't expire unlike a license which can expire at any time.
Yes and no. Software is being placed onto a hardware device, therefore while you might lose access to an online server and updates; you will always have the game itself. Nobody can remove it from your library or block you from playing it due to a voided license or something.
@@kreator6959 You're wrong. The physical games have a license as well, the point is that they can't take away the DVD from you by coming at your house.
Yep.
@@kreator6959 exactly man its actually yours
The shot of Jake leaning against the portapotty was a nice touch 🤌
Well, duh...
If Steam goes down for good your entire library is gone.
That said, digital products should be cheaper to physical copies...
For a new pc it would, if they went down and you didnt update it to not open, it would still open offline and if the game didnt have an always online then you could still play it. Its like saying if your pc dosnt have internet you couldn't play your steam library
@@clickboom3231 No, he means if Steam ever shuts down completely, your library is gone and you will not be refunded either. Putting so much faith in one company is the risk with digital.
14:00 omg imagine a Overwatch like hero shooter but in the Dragon Ball universe ? I would play that!
No, software has always been licensed not owned since 70s. The disc you bought is just a media. Not that i like the disappearing of physical media but software(and music) has always been licensed.
Also in California everything gives you cance according to the law.
California Proposition 65 Warning is on literally everything. California should just become it's own country. We could then make Puerto Rico a state (instead of a territory) and not even change the US Flag. Lets do it!
Transition to gog, when the others want us back, don't go back.
I will NEVER stop buying physical. Music, movies, and games. Having the box with the cover art or even artwork booklets inside, then having a CD/DVD to hold in your hand. It’s just unbeatable in my eyes. I don’t get why people are okay with the idea of paying to own nothing.
I think people are overestimating the importance of physical games and not paying enough attention to DRM. I have a few very old PC games on DVD-ROMs which came out before Steam was a thing. They require a very obscure online check method to activate the installed game, and the servers have been long shut down. So nowadays even if I own the physical copies, even if I can install them on my PC, I can not play them because of the dead DRM. On the other hand if you digitally buy games from GOG, you can just download the files and play them 30 years later. You can even burn them on DVDs to make you own physical copies. So the real problem is not about whether you own a hard copy of the game, it's about whether you are allowed to play the game even if you own the files of it. Steam doesn't allow you to play your games without its permission, so you don't own them. GOG and most physical console games don't care. You pay the price, and it's all yours. That's why you actually own them despite GOG are still digital-only.
Steam really dropped the ball with this awful idea of not owning the game of pc which is just garbage in my opinion.
Didnt know thats the way it works. tough for me because i live in a country where physical disks are not very easy to find as cheaply as they are on the digital stores
For couch coop on DBSZ (on PC), check out the LFSE (let's fight somewhere else) mod. Very simple to use, and lets you pick any stage on local versus (since there's nothing in the game's code preventing this from happening). I have an older card and the game ran fine on max settings (1080p tho) even in a more complex stage.
Btw for sparking zero, local co-op wasn't gonna be in the game on launch at all. Once they heard the fan outcry they started putting together what we have now. Definitely a little unfortunate, and there are arguments to be made about why they thought that was a good idea in the first place, but I think it's cool that they took that feedback and actually tried to do something about it. Hopefully it can get more fleshed out with updates.
It started with them taking away our awesome game manuals packaged with games. Now, we own even less of the game.
Dude, DragonBal Sparking Zero is AMAZING.
The big difference from games to movies and music is once the games aren't sold anymore they're gone forever songs don't disappear movies don't disappear. You can always find them somewhere. But companies quit selling old games and that's just the end of it or even if you buy a disc copy the servers get shut down so you can't play anymore. You only have the game for as long as they support it but you can go listen to music from before you were born
Then piracy isn't stealing
It’s all fun and games until you insert the disc into the console and you get a pop up saying you no longer can play the game.
Physical copies are better but every company/store that sells them in North America aka Best Buy and Walmart are selling less and less physical
I wonder where this is going to go as well, guess we'll just have to wait and see.
The Dragon Ball game I'd want to see next is Dragon Ball Fusions 2. The original game on 3DS had an incredibly addicting "collect them all" mechanic to it that I'd love to see again.
Holy shit Legacy of Goku. Core memory unlocked
High Fidelity with John Cusack? Good shit - 2:55
I’m with you, Jake. I love Steamdeck the most - and a dog DOES help with anything! And as far as the “not owning your games” issue…
Streaming music and videos is similar, to a point. Unless you own the CD or DVD, when the steamer decides not to offer that thing any more it goes away for good. You can physically record music - or even videos, I suppose - but you can’t do that with games. Even now, if you have a game disc, lack of online features and the inevitable updates can cripple it. And I started gaming in the mid 1990s, when a physical disc WAS the game. If I still had my OG PlayStation and a CRT TV, I could still play that game.
I bet they'll start putting more restrictions on physical disks. Slap always-online into a game and it won't matter if you have a digital or physical "license".
It always blew my mind this almost NEVER came up when people claim a PC is better than a disc drive-less console…did they never realize steam games are digital and not physical??
Early once again, love this weekly source of news. Would be interesting to maybe have it in a livestream format some day?
Split-screen was not intended to be in Sparking! ZERO for several reasons. The game's focus was online gameplay and they also had a hard time optimizing the game running in split-screen since they'd need to render everything twice.
After seeing the feedback from the community they did get it to work in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber since it's literally just a mostly empty map. They did say there's a chance for more maps to be added into split-screen in the future if they work out the kinks and get the performance up to par.
Of course, if you own the game on PC a mod came out during early access that allows you to fight on all maps(even unavailable ones that appear in cutscenes).
Digital music was always an improvement over physical music because it's higher quality, physically takes little to no space, can be carried anywhere, plus the amount you pay for a subscription per month is 3x cheaper than it would cost to buy a single 20 song album. Not to mention you have access to literal MILLIONS of songs.
It's insane, the ground is shrinking beneath us 😮💨 there should be a restructure of pricing in gaming at this point since the term have changed so much and apparently in worst cases they can just revoke a license. Can't imagine paying full price only to have it taken away a few years later.
5:51 - Off all the places why next to a porta potty?? LOL
Legacy of Goku was such a fun game.
I mean tbf in steam account settings it's always been pretty clear, all your games are listed under a "view licenses and product key activations" section. Plus I've had numerous games just close their doors on me like Dungeonland or State of Decay (retitled to State of Decay: Year One)
Incoming Dragon Ball Racer mario kart style but instead of shells you throw Kamehameha's
You know what’s funny? Since I bought my ps5 disc version over 2 years ago I haven’t bought a single physical copy of a game. Call me lazy but it’s the convenience. I still hold on to all my old games, and the details they used to put into the box and booklets is unreal. End of an era.
We need the Legacy of Goku games ported as a collection, 1000%. I still think DB could do a lot of other things too that aren’t just the typical rehashing. Survival horror was unprecedented for a DB game but we still got the Breakers in all its…uh…glory?
14:51 i was really disappointed that there was no cyborg movie. But, 2 aquamans, 2 Wonder Woman's and 2 suicide squads the flash, no one wanted
O no, the horror that people don't own digital games. Who would have seen this coming?
O thats right everyone that has been talking about this for years, but a lot chose to ignore for convenience.
imo the debate between digital vs physical should just be preference and both ways should have been an actual purchase you own, blaming the customer for the companies' decision doesn't make sense. for example, if you pirate a game, you own it and it's digital.
unfortunately we don't own our physical games most often, since they require updates or online connections to play, so its no different except you get to see it on a shelf.
thinking valve is good guy for getting ahead of the new law is weird. they're still only doing it because of the law and if they were the good guy they would have done it long before now.