The Ultimate Debunking of Reverse Grip for Swords: Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2021
- we made a part two to go even further into why reverse grip totally DOES NOT WORK with swords. My Guest Matt, a fellow seasoned fencer helps me break it down.
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Do reverse vs reverse, if only to see how awkward and ridiculous it looks 😆
@@LongswordRussia Holy crap reading those comments were fun! Thanks for the link.
@@LongswordRussia If you read the treatises, you know those are contextual and limited uses. Go to tournaments with a reverse grip and post the results, prove us all wrong. Hell, just spar another experienced person with full protective gear and serious intent and post the unedited results.
PS - If you're an instructor, it is even more critical that you test your theories in real-ish scenarios, and find out their limits and actual applicability, before you take such a stance and try to pass techniques off as viable where they are not. Critical, in terms of your responsibility towards your students. Not when in comes to the commercial aspect of your school of course. A potential student often comes armed only with the "knowledge" of movie fighting, and wanting to do something cool.
Here's what the Fencing Regulations of the Old City of Prague said, in 1597:
"Nobody should receive the honour of "Fencing Master" and permission to organize a tournament, unless they learn to fence properly with each of the weapons [in the games]. For this reason, any Fencing Master must resist to a duel until first blood with each of the weapons."
In the portuguese Kingdom in the 16th century, Master of Arms was a title granted by the King himself, only after recomendation from several other established Masters, and undergoing examination, in a context of constant battles, unsafe travels, and open tournaments paid for by the nobles whose lives would depend on those Masters teachings.
This, of course, is because the notion of being a master instructor comes not just with theoretical knowledge and validation within your own fencing circle, and they had often learn that people boasting as masters and with arguments to verbally defend it, could not hold their own in the ring with those techniques, which limits they had not properly tested.
Plz do
@@LongswordRussia Do fence with people from outside your circle, from a similar level of mastery you claim to your students, with serious intent, and share the results.
Hell, I'm no master, but if you come by Portugal, do let me know. I'd love to test our arguments, as that's what actually matters, this isn't a matter for rhetoric, whatever space there is for words in swordfighting, it ends once one finds a real sparring partner or foe.
Odd, that you're so sure of your points as to dismiss practical results, yet I see no tournament matches in your long list of sword dancing and light practice videos, when so many other russian fencers can't get enough of tournaments.
You reverse grip a fighting knife. If you do that with a sword you sacrifice reach which is kinda the whole point of a sword. Sorry for the bad pun.
If there is anything this video illustrates masterfully, is that people can react. The efficacy of pulling off 5 actions before someone pulls off one in retaliation to skew that chain, is literally impossible unless your opponent does nothing at all. In some training demonstrations just mock reacting foils these moments and in some demonstrations they must redo it again with no retalition, mock or otherwise. If this is required to show off your move, ita not effective in ANY circumstance, period.
This video shows that no, you can't just block it and do this then that before getting hit again or a blade being put in a position to completely ruin your movements JUST BY BEING IN THE WAY.
If you think after seeing this you can still pull off a "while I deflect the blade from this guy I'll move so fast I'll do this this this and that before he can even react" its clear you've NEVER been in any form of physical altercation before and you should just shut up and sit down, the grown ups are talking.
Most engagements don't last more than a few of strikes either direction before you'd separate anyway, by that point you both need to recover your form in most scenarios, or it's already over.
Violence is like a car accident. It is like time freezes. I get so frustrated how slow I move. But she or he is also moving slow. Oddly senses improve. I a can see a blade moving at me in crystal HD. I agree, make one move and make it fast.
Well trained fencers will beat you. Bad fencers may annoy the fuck out of you.
If you have a long sharp pointy weapon why would you hold it is a way that makes it shorter and harder to use pointy end?
it looks cool
@@outis2493 You know what looks really cool? Not dying because you used a stupid and ineffective combat style, that got you killed by someone with a brain who knows how stupid it is. Surviving is cool, dying is not.
@@outis2493 With all due respect, it does not look cool. It is a gimmick. There are interesting ways to hold a sword that do not compromise how useful it is.
A from a historical manual was for a long sabre where you use the hilt to parry a spear thrust as you're drawing the sword, I assume because it take too large a movement to draw such a long sword and be able to effectively defend yourself in time. You then change to a forward grip, reverse grip has uses but its not really a thing. The other thing I've seen is to draw with the left hand in reverse grip to strike out with pommel as your draw the sword, then slash as you pass the sword to the right hand in a forward grip
@@sparrowhawk81 But have you considered meme value?
With reverse grip, your two strongest grip fingers (pinky and ring) are on the inside of the fulcrum, where they are exposed to the most force from the outside angle, completely negating a massive portion of your grip-strength. You can fight forward grip while missing your middle and index fingers, but rear grip is immediately inaccessible.
This was like, lesson 1 at Budo.
Lesson 2 was basically "so for best control, relax your ring and index finger, you'll get more force, speed and manoeuvrability."
You got longer reach with a forward grip. And just pulling your pinky and index finger makes your blade fast. Your arm is so much slower than your pinky finger. I know it sounds insane but practice it.
Reverse grip is useful with a short knife against an unarmed opponent in a situation fabricated to favor reverse grip
Literally no one who supports reverse grip remembers what edge alignment is or it’s importance. Explain to me how the hell you’re going to ensure your edge is properly aligned should you ever possess enough power to actually deal decent damage.
I really can't. A sword is meant to dance in your hand (or hands). No way my longsword or Katana would perform if I covered the handle in peanut butter. Which is basically reverse grip.
I’m definitely not an expert swordsman, but I’ve taken a few classes. I also play a shit ton of Balde & Sorcery for VR. The reverse grip is absolute shit. I never was able to put it into words, but whenever I try it I get wrecked. Hearing these guys explain it in such detail and demonstrate it is awesome. Reverse grip sucks.
I'd never use reverse. But I did fence left handed. It was a stupid mistake. I was used to Shaolin where it is left hand in front if you are right handed. After a month of training the wrong footwork I was just like fuck it, I will fence lefty. It worked fairly well, and led to a lot of Princess Bride jokes.
I see people use Reverse Grip all the time in LARP. "Rule of Cool" and most of those who use it, are new to the whole fighting thing anyway. The speed in which they switch from Reverse Grip, to standard grip, is astounding, and the moment they do, you see a massive improvement in their performance.
We Larpers learned through experience, reverse grip is dumb.
@@deathsheir2035 Larp is about the only place I see where reverse grip "works." Most larps I've been in are lightest touch combat. The hit counts even if you have no strength behind the hit. Also, once you've blocked an attack, it's blocked with no blow through. I see plenty of people dual wielding with one weapon being reversed because they think it actually improves their block.
I'd like you see you doing a video on spearmanship if you are familiar with that.
Can we also ask for axes as well?
@@Manny-Prime and halberds
@@DateMasamune1636 staffs?
get the hans talhoffer treatises/diagrams and translations, and maybe a Christian Henry Tobler, or Michael Edelson book too
The fact that you feel you had to do a second video shattered my faith in human intelligence 😂
Reverse grip is only for daggers, dirks, and people who watch too much TV. The easiest way to tell yourself is to reverse grip strike a tree. You can immediately feel how weak of a strike it is and how weak your wrist feels against the impact. Likewise, as you demonstrated in your other debunk video, using your forearm to reinforce the blade is ridiculous. Too much TV. Just go test it yourself and you'll know how impractical it is. I've even tried using the forearm thing to reinforce a reverse grip slash for better strength and edge alignment and it's really painful. I imagine the people who swear by reverse grip are the same people who thought it was cool when the Elves jumped their own shield wall during The Hobbit movie's Battle of 5 Armies.
Actually, I think reverse grip may work if you have to strike something behind you - say you are a knight with a leg caught under his fallen horse and an enemy is approaching from behind. Otherwise, you'd just spin around. So, for very specific, rare situations. So rare and specific, that it just doesn't pay to train for them.
@@g.strobl4458 that's completely idiotic. Just because you're trying to strike an enemy that's approaching you from behind, doesn't change the fact that reverse grip literally fights against the way a sword and the way your body mechanics naturally work.
People who pretend reverse grip can work are just reverse-engineering a style of combat made exclusively to look cool in movies and tv. In practice it’s like trying to play tennis without topspin, hitting down on the ball. You can try to make it work but it will hardcap your potential, and even the weakest opponent who has a good handle on basic form will surpass you. Try as hard as you want, but you’ll only be defeating yourself with style over utility.
antimaskers: "I can't breathe in a mask"
Sellsword Arts: "Hold my shield."
This didn’t age well
I have *only* seen reverse grip work with ONE knife (at most Bowie length) AND in conjunction with grappling as you close the distance. EVEN THEN, it only works if the target *doesn’t know* what’s coming. Finally, the one time I saw it work was with Guro Dan fucking Inosanto doing it against a middle aged fencer.
Reverse grip is good for one thing, and one thing only:
Anime.
Close quarters knife fighting, but only when forward grip is ineffective.
Or if you are Zatoichi, the blind swordman.
@@MidoseitoAkage So, it's only good in fiction, basically.
If you ask me, is not even good for that, i never found it cool, even in fiction
In my country the gangsters fight with knife and they always are reverse grip cuz the blade is really to short its like a finger so they only stab cuz that thing don't cut a lot xd
I'm all for the standard grip but there are a few things that I think haven't been properly explored yet. And I would find it fun to see it exploded and displayed as thoroughly as you have so far.
List of unexplored potential uses for the reverse grip:
• How about when being paired against certain different kinds of weapons? Let's for example say when using a short sword against an axe wielding opponent.
• What about when fighting in tight spaces, such as a narrow corridor?
• Could it be useful in certain specific situations, such as after having lost your index finger(s)?
• Would it make it more effective when going between pushing (a door/shield/ram), or grappling, and attacking? And/or would it make it easier to do that pushing/grappling while at the same time being able to keep your weapon in you hand ready attack/defend with it? (Albeit less effectively.)
• Would it make it safer/easier when your other arm is, let's say, carrying a baby?
• How about in a situation where you are surrounded by, or otherwise facing, two or more opponents?
• How about when fighting in a shield wall vs another shield wall?
• Would the reverse grip be at all more viable when used in combination with having (specialized?) vambraces (and gauntlets)?
• Would it be viably used as an alternative fighting style during extended battles, in order to use a slightly different sets of muscles, letting you rest tired muscles or circumvent not being able to properly use wounded ones?
• Could it be preferable for finishing off opponents lying on the ground? (Depending on their armour, their current fighting capability and/or the surrounding circumstances.)
basically with reverse grip you are trading a lot of range and power for almost nothing. Like you might be able to protect your legs a little better with reverse grip but that's about it, not to mention you lose a lot of control over your edge alignment, I would love to see a video of you guys trying to cut tatami mats with reverse grip techniques.
At 11:33 I watched in .25 and saw him parry then attempt to force the sword down, fail because they couldn't exact enough force and then adapted and tried to go for the armpit but was not slightly out of reach it wouldn't have done anything because the failed attempt to bring the sword down made them lose all the momentum. If they had done that with a forward grip they wouldn't have even needed to try and bring the sword down because they could do a fast thrust once the sword was away instead, they had to create time to get a strike in that would matter outside of this hit based combat. But despite trying to create time they didn't quite have enough to get the hit in before being hit and was just out of range and even if they did hit, it wouldn't be that bad because of the lack of momentum
Nice 👍 do you have a shorter (summery) of the videos as well ?
We have RUclips shorts parts one through four with a few more coming out.
@@SellswordArts Great 👍
@@SellswordArts I can simplify it into 3 words literally anyone can understand.
It don't work.
Let's face it, the only people who are trying to defend the reverse grip are people who watched Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008) and want to be everyone's favorite padawan.
Literally the reasoning is apparent in the first minute.
At 18:25 where they said that maybe he could then stop the sword, I don't believe that would be very consistent. At least with them they have been standing with one side to the opponent so they don't have a huge unblocking area, this would make it take a lot longer to move that half up and move your hand in the way than them just following up with a swing
7:52 that laugh was the most evil laugh I've ever heard
And still some idiot is gonna claim you didn't do it right.
Would reverse grip be useful for a weapon like the double bladed staff?
I think I've seen ways of holding it kinda reverse grip with one hand, in preparation of swinging it or something. But it does limit the strength with which you can hold and use it.
You are upsetting Hollywood
Hollywood is upsetting ME LOL!
Well CLEEEEEEARLY this is all choreographed and not real.
Fake or not reverse grip is horrible unless you have a knife and you’re in grappling distance, because I’m pretty sure at that close of a distance you would stab harder in reverse grip. Otherwise it sucks, you have less range, less power, less speed, less everything that is good. The way our body is built makes reverse grip worse in literally every scenario but 1.
100% agree. Completely staged to try to invalidate the god tier reverse grip.
@@TheReaIVaIkyrie Dude you need to learn what sarcasm is.
@@matthewcooper4248
It is incredibly hard to detect sarcasm through comments, I genuinely can’t tell a lot of the time
@@TheReaIVaIkyrie, agreed. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but often enough one hopes something is sarcasm and gets disappointed...
There is no method or angel of attack where reverse grip is superior or even near equal to conventional grip... in fact your angels of attack are significantly less than conventional, and your range is reduced in the thrust 22%, in cuts 30 to 40%. The power 40ish% that can be marginally reduced with practice, and utilizing the "effective" angels of thrust. Using large telegraphing archs you can sacrifice speed for power, but still the addition is minimal and the increased exposure is maximum....
Perhaps it could have a small niche in dual wielding to protect the body much like a philly shell stance in boxing. Only idea I could come up with to give it some merit
Watch part 1 of this. It is completely stupid for defense. In fact, reverse grip is stupid, period. Again, just watch part 1 of this.
@@ThorsShadow it didnt address this situation, it focused only on using a single sword in that way
@@danielmyers-cowan3416 I'm not an expert but I think that a boxing shell stance works because you're dealing with fists that has wide surface area of contact, against a sharp pointy object that is designed to have minimal surface contact for maximum damage? I think that a slip of steel isn't big or fast enough to cover the whole area of chest and arms, a good fast thrust would probably stab through the arm or chest, shields and armor are made for that not swords.
@@ennou1236 it would definitely be a far cry from the effectiveness of this in boxing but I think the idea could still have a level of validity. if you have your dominant sword outstretched that's your first line of defense, even when people dual wield ones usually used offensively leaving the other on the defensive. I think a reverse grip on the non dominant hand could actually perform well in those conditions since it can more quickly be moved and repositioned behind the safety of your primary block (the outstretched sword) but if both were held upright it would be slower in reach certain angles due to potential clashes with your own blade. The style would be limited but it's still grounded in reality.
@@danielmyers-cowan3416 they addressed something like this in the first part of the series ( ruclips.net/video/wDg_QSQTtos/видео.html ) one sword in normal grip in main hand + 1 in reverse grip in the off hand, they have extrapolated it in these 2 shorts ruclips.net/video/lAjIFcT5IgI/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/4aJ6obdf1KU/видео.html of why is not a good idea
Honestly if you’re that dedicated to the stabbing motion with reverse grip being an option, get a sharpened pommel that you can use to jab in.
There shouldn't even be a part two, part one explained enough.
Arguing that you are unqualified to talk about reverse grip is laughable, because it implies that there is somebody who is. There are no competative reverse grip practitioners, thus, the most qualified people are those who are competative in swordplay.
i think that's wrong, i can understand the reasoning but keep in mind that being proficient with a set of techniques but not practicing others doesn't entitle one to speak about the latter like the be all end all, and if one does it is common sense to speak with humility, like they did. that's great to see if you ask me.
18:40 like a typical wakizashi/tanto two handed tactic
Is it possible for a sword to be specifically designed to be held in reverse? It seems doubtful, but I’m kinda curious
Perhaps something to break blades.
Look at you hand.
✊on the top you have circle made by wrapping your thumb and index finger.
On the bottom you have a hook made by your pinky.
The bottom is always compromised compared to the top.
A sword point up is always structuraly superior to held down.
Also your wrist will always lock in a position giving you better reach with a normal grip.
When you hold a rifle you hold the grip thumb upwards.
Same with bows.
Same with axes.
Same with swords.
Its universal. You cant really make a design for a sword that would be better in a reverse grip.
@@stanisawzokiewski3308
Pretty much what I expected. Poor reverse grip lol
Maybe if you held a dual guard weapon with a reverse grip in between the guards you could block effectively, but you still wouldn't have the attack power or options.
With a proper design, it could be a defense stance, but unless they get bored and leave, you still lose eventually.
Also, doing any blocks of upwards strikes would basically just dump all the force into your thumb, which is a good way to break you thumb.
@@mohandasjung What do you mean by break blades?
u made a good first one about this. No need for a secound if the people do not believe.
A better way to debunk this would be to find someone who specializes in reverse grip and beat them. This is a professional fencer which goes against his training and you a known critic of the reverse grip would be going in with a losing attitude. A wining mindset requires belief in yourself. The only way I can see a reverse grip working is in a sword and dagger combo keeping the sword in a normal grip.
Yep it is about fingers. My coach who was champion of South America made me to squish a racket ball all day during school just to have grip and dexterity. Unfortunately Sandor Kiss never won the Olympics but he is closer than most of you. He taught me how to use my pinky finger not my arm how to strike. And how relaxed is faster. He told me, just pretend you are reaching for the refrigerator door. Then you will be faster than he is.
Oh I really am Sandor's student. I am totally about delicate fingers and messing with your opponents head. I had not looked him up in years.
@@TaijDevon wtf
@@gwynbleidd1917 I know it sounds nuts. But speed kills and that is so much faster. I won a lot of fencing tournaments in college that way. Beat Harvard and West Point. Sort of slide the edge of the strip with footwork and let your fingers do the strike. That was saber, foil is different.
Foil you lunge or fletche. The latter is the french word for arrow and basically means you dive at them point on line. Saber is more complicated because head and arms are also valid targets and your whole blade counts not just the point. Shots to the head or arm are very difficult to defend.
Here's a nice limited counter-point, with dual wielding, reverse grip in the sinistra - it has the advantage of freeing up working space for the main (certainly no be all end all technique, but not invalid):
ruclips.net/video/ciuw7w3EJ5c/видео.html
Yes but have you tried it? Not trying to make you feel bad, but as a varsity saber fencer I can tell you one sword is a lot. I got belts in Chinese broadsword and longsword. Double broadsword is insane. My Master Shao Wen can do it and it is the coolest thing in the world. But it is difficult beyond belief to pull off. BTW Shao Wen beat Jet Li in national championships in China.
@@TaijDevon Nope, never dual wielded, even. Just rapier and dagger, and any advantages wouldn't really apply.
You wouldn't make me feel bad, this is a debate, you're addressing the points, not my person. S'all good.
Ah, broadswords are beastly. Was thinking specifically in terms of sidesword.
Ultimately, I would just have to try for myself and draw my own conclusions, but you're right, it may have an added level of difficulty. Just not as invalid as the shown examples.
@@BernasLL You are apparently a gentleman and a scholar. But I would still advise to be well practiced in rapier or katana which are much lighter. Swinging essentially a Claymore, which is more or less a bastard sword with option of one hand is a beast. Work up to it. I got legitimately worried I would cut one of my own limbs off. I still look at it a bit sideways.
@@TaijDevon Thanks for the good advice and kind words.
@@BernasLL We all live on the internet now. I live in fear of some troll being mean. Let us be nice. If being ok to you means a day well spent it was totally worth it.
Before, I made a comment that agreed that reverse grip is useless.
I take it back.
Against a heavily Armored opponent, if you have a sword with a bludgeon on the pommel and heavy gauntlets, reverse-half-swording can be effective.
All other uses are dopey.
Something you’ve said multiple times about this topic is how the weapon (sword) has been designed with the standard grip in mind. Every time you’ve experimented with reverse, you always talk about the biomechanical problems with it (wrist, force, etc.). I’d like to see your opinion on a weapon that had reverse grip in mind, but realized the biomechanical short comings of the handle being straight, and changed that: the tonfa. Obviously a tonfa is not a sword, but rather than “prove reverse grip sucks”, show where it excels and was intended in the design. They put perpendicular handle on it to make it viable! And notice they never put a blade on it, possibly because you don’t have the articulation of your fingers and wrist with a handle coming off the side. Just a thought I had while watching this.
Tonfa would be neither forward nor reverse grip. Most of the striking moves would involve spinning the handle instead of tilting it like with a sword. If you do use it in a tilting motion, your thumb webbing and forefinger provide most of the power. Holding a tonfa upside down would be closer to using reverse grip.
Not very familiar with how tonfa's were used however there will always be a massive difference between blunt weapon combat and blade weapon combat. The way you have to go about each weapon type is going to vary. A bladed weapon its mostly gonna be one solid hit to nullify an opponent. A blunt weapon normally doesn't follow that rule. Also i feel like you could get more power from it by handling it with a standard forward grip rather than the perpendicular handle. Just my thoughts
Only valid reverse grip is half-swording change my mind...
I wouldn't call that reverse grip though
@@SellswordArts it's half-swording which is completely different from reverse grip in the sense that it works. 😋😂
@@michaelmcgee5478 and you don't normally hold it in reverse grip when half swording... unless you're fighting an armored opponent and you're trying to pull off a mortschlag
why do people think this stupid stuff, if it isn't real life... take it with a grain of salt, swordsmanship was developed over A LONG period of time, mostly cause the dark ages was an expansive period of human history, but in that time of waring nations, they perfected swordsmanship for both duels and war alike, people who like backwards swords, come back when you have spent thousands of years developing a sword style that can win in a master vs master duel of longsword front facing blade, vs whatever backwards blade techniques you make
stop spewing nonsense
*ahem
the whole point of having a sword in the first place is because it is long. it has reach. reverse grip flat out ruins the whole point of having a sword in the first place
Reverse grip with a long sword looks ridiculous and is super awkward. Reverse grip is great for dagger combat styles often with the off hand. It’s much better for actions like stabbing defensively. Think what you would do with a karambit, much bigger than a couple inches isn’t worth it
It's mostly bad with daggers, too. It is (and has been) mainly used like that only in situation where you'll need to grapple with the blade, or drive the point with as much force as possible and usually the latter. Besides, defensive stabbing?
😆isn’t it funny how someone trying to convince you something is wrong because they can’t do it and has no one there who Can…, always manages to convince you.
Well, in their mind anyway
What a vapid and banal comment. Try harder next time.
@@gwynbleidd1917
Banal…?
Wow, I actually had to look that up 🖕🏻😆🖕🏻
What about all of the points they brought up both in this video and the first one? Like, the lack of range.
@@Interestking
What about them?
His points only highlight his inability.
Just imagine someone who is very skilled at doing Exactly what he said is undoable.
And, this really shouldn’t be something that Stretches your imagination.
I’m sure it might appear to be some what…. 🤔… banal.
To that particular individual anyway
@@ReiMonCoH Lets be specific. The range. How could one hold a sword with reverse grip in a way that gives equal range to forward grip?
could try training a bit with reverse grip before bashing on it. Its definitely not as good but Id imagine there are reasons for it.
Ah, trying to disprove a show fight style, silly weirdos I love you, come fight me in Thunder Bay, you’ll kick my arse for sure but it’s better then fighting ghosts, also please use prop swords when your doing that, I’m really worried your gonna break your wrist in that.
so i stumbled upon your videos on reverse grip yesterday, they are quite compelling to say the least, but as it seems the algorithm wasn't done and it JUST showed me this: ruclips.net/video/ciuw7w3EJ5c/видео.html, from weaponism, a channel of which skallagrim rewiewed a video some time ago about a sparring with flail vs shinai. and as it turns out, not only they use reverse grip in sparring but somehow they make it work in a non collaborative environment which is stunning for all the reasons you pointed out in your videos, it should be a detriment but it isn't so when they employ it. why that is i can only assume. of course one the would ask himself if just dual wielding with the 2 swords pointing forwards would be more beneficial, as you guys pointed out in the ultimate debunking part 1.
i myself am not generally a fan of debunking when it is done from a perspective where it is assumed that the debunker holds the ultimate truth, or is "objective", for objective knowledge is a myth, as any scientist or philosopher worth his salt will tell you.
with this i don't aim at criticizing your previous statements (they are compelling as i said) as much as the way you framed them, and showing, with evidence to back it up, that claiming absolute truth puts a halt to the pursuit of knowledge and may induce to ignore the broad width of possibilities that a field (such as martial arts) is able to encompass.
the dude using reverse grip in that video isn't even utilizing the sword in his left hand. like at all. So it's a pretty bad example for using reverse grip. Also, you can disagree all you want, but it doesn't make your "opinion" correct in any context. Show me historical sources like manuals, treatises; and diagrams where reverse sword grip is shown in anything besides a rondell or other small dagger. Can you? I'd love to see some source materials providing factual backup to why you think reverse grip is useful. Go ahead and look. I'll wait.
@@gwynbleidd1917 First and foremost, chill out, the fact that you May like reverse grip or not doesn't entitle you to be a jerk on me, i said nothing to you specifically. Any opinion, correct or not deserves to be espressed and respected as It Is the basis for further learning, you have been wrong in the past and learnt from that (and you may now again) so chill and let's have a productive comversation, like adults.
Moving on, asking for historical data on thid isn't necessari imo, It wouldn't change anything. The matter at Hand isn't if It was done in the past, but if It Is useful to do, you don't have to look fiore for that you Just Need to try and pratice reverse grip and test It out, the draw tour conclusions, or share them like these guys did.
all i know of historical, Is a korean martial art form i witnessed once where they hit with reverse grip for a couple of strikes, and this video i posted, where they claim that dual wielding to be krabi krabong if i recall correctly.
On the topic of the video itself, yes the dude wasn't using much that sword, i know, but he doesn't use It "at all" did he? He struck the other guy at least once and employed It to block. It makes sense if you use the sword Just like a shield i Guess, you use It on response, not on action, he May have been Better off flipping the reverse One around or getting a shield but what he did worked regerdless on his favor.
If you really yearn for someone to tell you "reverse grip bad" look no further, i know "It bad", banana dude. But it being bad and all, the dude in the video still made It work somehow, he was Better off with a RG sword in his Hand than none at all. on tape. If that enrages u because no One bothered to look It up First in a diagram learnt korean and take It out on him, go tell him to flip the Stick around or to give you an ancient scroll depicting wathever he's doing. I Just posted a video to contribute to a discussion, i am no historian thou i May like the subject.
@@adrianthebard2296 that was a really big word salad. Spinning with a sword is utterly idiotic, and so is reverse grip, and not historical because no one who has actually trained with weapons would do it in a fight, unless they were trying to commit suicide in earnest. Unless you can present actual proof via historical sources that this "technique" was used , it doesn't matter what your opinion on the matter is. The fact is it is useless and wasn't, and isn't used be real practitioners of weapon based martial arts. (except for daggers in very specific circumstances) So provide evidence, or stop spreading ridiculous misinformation
@@gwynbleidd1917 are you talking with yourself? No One mentioned spinning. Also the topic Is fighting not history, you don't Need historical proof, you Need practical proof. Get a dummy, a partner, go to the gym, get fit, ad try stuff out, if RG works for you use It if not thrash It, spinning too i guess. Sellsword arts did It, the guys i posted did It. I do. What do you do except pestering others in comment sections?
@@adrianthebard2296 lol ok, since you failed to give a proper response twice in a row there's no point in giving you any attention. have a nice life living in a fantasy world.
even without watching this, I know reverse grip is shit. hhah