We do use wax to help tiny parts stay on the fixtures. Parts size like 6mm*3mm*1mm, Then use warm water to take the wax off , so we able to get clean parts
One other awesome advantage of windowing is accessing multiple sides. If you don't have a 5-axis, and your part would be hard to clamp in certain orientations, the window material can provide you with clamping/alignment surfaces. We commonly drill right through the edges of the frame to access side features.
what'll really get your goat is window machining plus backup fixtures. You can add threaded holes into your window machining fixtures so you can use temporary toe clamps that actually hold your part when you completely cut away the tab.
Same hesitation of using it as I had with super glue fixturing :P. Really love the discussions you've had around it with grimsmo as well. Would also love to see the "extension fixture" which can bolt to a part when parting off in practice. Keep doing everything you do and thanks for another great video.
What we do at work is we do it on the bed to make sure it's more solid to stop vibrating. Also we use spuds to bolt a part to a simple fixture that also allows the material to bend naturally. And another tip instead of glue is to use car body filler
Thanks NyCNC always love the vids. Scotch bright by hand 🤚🏾 looks laboursome just a thought 💭 why not get a scotch wheel for a bench grinder or buffer supper handy and easy as pie 🥧 to work pieces nice and controlled 👍🏾 Keep up the good work looking forwards to the next vids
What do you think about holding the part 90 rotated so the thicker cylindrical parts go down towards the vise? Might make it a little more rigid, especially if you don't part them off until the end.
you machined the part on a 5 axis machine, so I am curious why you 3d machined the large sloped surfaces of the squeegee? why not just re orient the part so that those surfaces are perpendicular to the spindle and machine them flat?
They were using a ball endmill. For best finish tipping the part so that when machining with a ball it’s cutting on the side of the tip rather then just rubbing with the tip
@@CmdrRoot this is exactly what I was asking. It seems to me (in my unknowledgeable opinion) that this would result in a better surface finish than 3d machining while also potentially being a faster operation.
My assumption is because of the multiple radii features on the part. Since there is the radius'd humps and transitions in the middle of the part and also the ends are radius'd too, might as well just use the ball mill for the whole thing that way you don't have differences in surface appearance since you will have the typical swirl marks on the flat areas from the end mill. John even basically mentions the "important part of the tool" at 5:32 (right after the portion that talked about and showed surfacing done with it) was for profiling the radius'd features on the ends but really, the bumps in the middle would need too or you would have to have stair step type surface. If you tried doing these radii with a small end mill, all of them would have stair step type surfaces and then ends that are actually used on the decals and such need to be smooth as possible so to just scratch or tear the decal or film, etc... The microscopic scallops from using a ball mill with a really small step-over will give a much smoother finish.
The windowing is function of CAM, not CAD. Now if you have HSM Works or SolidCAM integrated CAM with SW, then there might be a window machining function but I'm not really familiar with either of them to know if there actually ise.
I would really like to see some tips/info on having complicated parts digitized converted to model then machined. I have some parts I need to make for an old car duplicating the details of the originals but the parts have to be increased in size. Any info on this?
Wow if you programmed that like that in my machine shop you wanted last long lol. You should have programmed it upright so you could have done all sides and only needed to machine a end off and been a 8 minutes run time .😳😳
What is so hard for people to understand the point of RUclips videos. He's showing a technique. He's not showing you how to kill a specific part. And there's a reason why you're watching his videos and not the other way around.
I want to know how to find customers to pay me to make worthless stuff. You copied a molded flexible part and made it ridged. A piece of .093 aluminum with radiuses could have been done in 15 minutes on a bridgeport.
@@zunuf There's 3 muck mucks that left comments, that aren't getting the point of the video. They say the same stupid comments on almost all machining education videos. "Why'd you do it that way. It would have been faster to do it this way." They're too dumb to realize that, if they did it the faster way, they wouldn't have been able to show the tip/trick.
@@xenonram So you want me to comment on the "technique". Why not show cutting the flat parts with a flat endmill? Why not wax the part in after cutting one side? Why not cut a real 5 axis part? If you learned something from this you didn't know anything to begin with. If you are programming and running a 5 axis machine and you learned from this I feel sorry for you and your employer.
We do use wax to help tiny parts stay on the fixtures.
Parts size like 6mm*3mm*1mm,
Then use warm water to take the wax off , so we able to get clean parts
One other awesome advantage of windowing is accessing multiple sides. If you don't have a 5-axis, and your part would be hard to clamp in certain orientations, the window material can provide you with clamping/alignment surfaces. We commonly drill right through the edges of the frame to access side features.
Pulling a video after it’s already been posted is called “pulling a nerdly”
nice trick. there is also low temp solder to hold the part and even machining through it.
We use car body filler at work
what'll really get your goat is window machining plus backup fixtures. You can add threaded holes into your window machining fixtures so you can use temporary toe clamps that actually hold your part when you completely cut away the tab.
Same hesitation of using it as I had with super glue fixturing :P. Really love the discussions you've had around it with grimsmo as well. Would also love to see the "extension fixture" which can bolt to a part when parting off in practice. Keep doing everything you do and thanks for another great video.
the haas video was excellent, hope you can get it out again
Well done. M0 is a solution I've been seeking for a while.
Cheers
-Ken
What we do at work is we do it on the bed to make sure it's more solid to stop vibrating. Also we use spuds to bolt a part to a simple fixture that also allows the material to bend naturally. And another tip instead of glue is to use car body filler
Ha, even when I was watching that Stewart Haas tour I was like "I can't believe they're showing all this stuff" :)
other race teams probably thought the same thing as they were taking notes. :-D
Just think what they're not showing you!
Yea John that Stewart haas video was sick man. I didn't even realize it was taken down. Bummer!
Crystal clear and informative, love it
bummer NDA got ya John.. :( Sorry about that. I already watched the video. It was really good.
Thanks NyCNC always love the vids.
Scotch bright by hand 🤚🏾 looks laboursome just a thought 💭 why not get a scotch wheel for a bench grinder or buffer supper handy and easy as pie 🥧 to work pieces nice and controlled 👍🏾
Keep up the good work looking forwards to the next vids
Very useful, thank you. You don’t skimp on the glue!
Nice, I’ve always wondered how the chatter is with thin stock that has a lot of stick out like in your video
Moulding clay or casting wax will also work. A quick way is masking tape it and use car body filler
Oh that made it very clear how to implement that thing, LOVE IT!
What a nice techinic! I love this type of crazy stuffs!
That IS a nice trick. Thanks!
Why was the Haas video pulled?
Hi jon, I really gotta ask..... why dont you mill your own soft jaws. Last I saw you were buying them in.
Hot Glue for stability,...never saw that one coming!...but there is no box right?..lol
We call this an encapsulated part. If you can use Powermill it's far more powerful than 360.
What do you think about holding the part 90 rotated so the thicker cylindrical parts go down towards the vise? Might make it a little more rigid, especially if you don't part them off until the end.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
How do you get the hot glue gun mounted into the tool holder?
Yep already watched it all, sorry.
From Canada
you machined the part on a 5 axis machine, so I am curious why you 3d machined the large sloped surfaces of the squeegee? why not just re orient the part so that those surfaces are perpendicular to the spindle and machine them flat?
They were using a ball endmill. For best finish tipping the part so that when machining with a ball it’s cutting on the side of the tip rather then just rubbing with the tip
@@CHinesRacing87 Right, but I think Jason is asking why not tip the part and then use a flat endmill.
@@CmdrRoot this is exactly what I was asking. It seems to me (in my unknowledgeable opinion) that this would result in a better surface finish than 3d machining while also potentially being a faster operation.
My assumption is because of the multiple radii features on the part.
Since there is the radius'd humps and transitions in the middle of the part and also the ends are radius'd too, might as well just use the ball mill for the whole thing that way you don't have differences in surface appearance since you will have the typical swirl marks on the flat areas from the end mill.
John even basically mentions the "important part of the tool" at 5:32 (right after the portion that talked about and showed surfacing done with it) was for profiling the radius'd features on the ends but really, the bumps in the middle would need too or you would have to have stair step type surface.
If you tried doing these radii with a small end mill, all of them would have stair step type surfaces and then ends that are actually used on the decals and such need to be smooth as possible so to just scratch or tear the decal or film, etc... The microscopic scallops from using a ball mill with a really small step-over will give a much smoother finish.
The point of the video is to show a technique.
Ive been having issues getting a nice smooth finish on aluminum, what tool are you using for your smoothing passes and with what settings?
Nice, but the advantage of a squeegee is to be flexible
Unless you’re trying to get ice off the windshield in the dead of winter!
Do you really think that's why he made this video? Because he needed a squeegee?
@@zunuf why then? Why not machining an origami?
master caution - sure, why not. Everyone needs a squeegee now and then. 😏
Julie SMW - I figured they wanted to make a mold negative so they could cast it in a different material, or maybe as a test-run for 3D printing.
How come the finish is only ok vs great? Is that more of a rigidity issue or the machine/tooling itself?
Nice tricks, thanks for sharing. Is there a similar windowing process on Solidworks? If so, what is it called? Thanks.
The windowing is function of CAM, not CAD. Now if you have HSM Works or SolidCAM integrated CAM with SW, then there might be a window machining function but I'm not really familiar with either of them to know if there actually ise.
I would really like to see some tips/info on having complicated parts digitized converted to model then machined. I have some parts I need to make for an old car duplicating the details of the originals but the parts have to be increased in size. Any info on this?
Get it scanned and scale it.
When's the blue tac work holding video coming?
we want a new shop update and a shop tour we want to see the robodrill working or what are you doing with it and the new vf6ss ah it will be awesome
Hello I'am From Indonesia . now I will store hot glue in the workshop
wheres your machines? must be major shop update coming
Thanks
Could you use polymorph instead? See the glue gun would make application easier.
nice
That makes 2 now, try to get a tour of area 51.... we would love to see.....
Softjaws would have held it just fine. Especially with the thick round areas in the middle.
But that would mean making soft jaws. Soft jaws don't make much sense for one-offs
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Not seeing it! ????
Have you guys stopped focusing on making content? It seems like you now put out very few and very short videos over the past 6-12 months.
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complex part?????? WTF
Wow if you programmed that like that in my machine shop you wanted last long lol. You should have programmed it upright so you could have done all sides and only needed to machine a end off and been a 8 minutes run time .😳😳
What is so hard for people to understand the point of RUclips videos. He's showing a technique. He's not showing you how to kill a specific part. And there's a reason why you're watching his videos and not the other way around.
Can you make a video to show how your machine shop would do this better?
kowalskimichael just watch a video of a turbine fin .
Plus glueing things in production is never done in the last 20years of CNCing that I’ve done .
I want to know how to find customers to pay me to make worthless stuff. You copied a molded flexible part and made it ridged. A piece of .093 aluminum with radiuses could have been done in 15 minutes on a bridgeport.
Do you really think that's why he made this video? Because he needed a squeegee?
@@zunuf There's 3 muck mucks that left comments, that aren't getting the point of the video. They say the same stupid comments on almost all machining education videos. "Why'd you do it that way. It would have been faster to do it this way." They're too dumb to realize that, if they did it the faster way, they wouldn't have been able to show the tip/trick.
@@xenonram So you want me to comment on the "technique". Why not show cutting the flat parts with a flat endmill? Why not wax the part in after cutting one side? Why not cut a real 5 axis part? If you learned something from this you didn't know anything to begin with. If you are programming and running a 5 axis machine and you learned from this I feel sorry for you and your employer.
@@michaelarndt6143 Please make a video to show how you do it better since you are a master. Let's see a video response unless you are too scared!