On another note: Tom I just want to express my deep gratitude for these interviews and all the hard work you put into your podcasts. Bringing the knowledge of guys like Will Happer to this plebeian in Cape Town is deeply appreciated!
What a cheerful man. You can't help but grow respect for this very rational, very thoughtful man to whom we wish long and still productive life. Thank you Prof. Happer.
Very comforting - Will Happer is one of those dear people you wish was your uncle or close relative - thanks for all you do, Will & Tom - We must keep Hope in our hearts...
I would love for Dr. Happer to visit Joe Rogan and do a 3 hour interview that millions watch. There are so many interesting things in his life that only come out in relaxed conversation.
@@tomnelson2080 Not at all. Thank you for everything you do to create this channel with so many in depth, truly scientific and rational presentations that provide a counter to the ridiculous, not to mention ruinous, climate narrative that prevails. I just wish this could reach more people…
Dr. Happer back in the 1980s when Ronald Reagan introduced "Star Wars" created a missile targeting system for the Department of Defense by using a laser to create an "artifical star" by exciting sodium atoms in the atmosphere in the "sodium layer," which exists 40 to 50 miles above the earth. From 1991 to 1993, Dr. Happer served as director of the Department of Energy office as part of the George H.W. Bush Administration. Sometime after President Bill Clinton took office in 1993, Dr. Happer passed Vice President Al Gore in a hallway and had a short chat. Gore asked Happer his opinion of global warming (as they called it long before they called it climate change), and Happer told him that it wasn’t anything to worry about. Not long thereafter Happer was called into the Secretary’s office (for Bush and Gore), and she asked Happer outright, “What the hell did you do to piss off Al Gore?” Happer answered that he had no idea, other than to say he had had a short chat with Gore in a hallway. The Secretary informed Happer that he was immediately fired, but she said that they had another position for him. Happer told her no thanks and returned to Princeton University. When politicians disrespect established well-respected scientists, these are not the kind of people that we want to run our government. In fact, I'm among those who think that those politicians who have used the government to enrich themselves and push their personal agendas should be prosecuted and sent to prison.
Thanks for the very enjoyable discussion. It was nice to listen to your conversation dealing with climate change from a political , philosophical perspective. Dr Happer’s humility always shines through , I admire him greatly , both of you are extraordinary role models. Dr Happer suggested a belief , which I have long agreed with , anyone with a modicum of inquisitiveness for the subject, common sense plus perhaps a basic grasp of science and logic, is capable of recognizing the truth behind this topic , which many of us find un-controversial. Thanks for yet another great podcast Tom !
Thanks Dr. Happer for a great discussion. I really appreciate the CO2 saturation graph that you pointed out several years ago. I think that graph and discussions around it should be repeated as often as possible. If there's a counter argument as to why it should be ignored, I'd love to hear it. Moving from 400ppm CO2 to 800 ppm CO2 only captures a very, very small amount of additional energy.
@@dougsherman1562 the IR radiation that co2 absorbs at low altitude is under more pressure and surrounded by higher density to which co2 can release that energy. at higher altitudes you have a greater temperature gradient to release the IR energy but not as many collisions per unit time. (i'm assuming that co2 saturation is not long lasting in either case). so it would be different.
@@carlosgaspar8447 OK, thanks for that idea and it makes sense. Easy to test in the lab. Evacuate a flask, input some gas and test absorption at different pressures. It would be an interesting experiment and has probably already been done.
Nice chat. Thanks for your time Mr. Happer. Any time I get to hear from what I call one of the greates. 😊 I like to listen in 👍. You are one of the greates.
Excellent point made at 30:16 about practical experience in life. Victor Davis Hanson has also discussed this, relating it to the hoi mesoi, who were the small farmers in ancient Greece, making up the majority of the active citizens of the polis. We lack practical wisdom, today.
I really enjoy listening to Will Happer’s steady state discussions. He doesn’t yell and pound the table or try to belittle you. This was a great video but of course I have spent my teenage years on a farm and into Ham (amateur radio) radio. As a young teenager building antennas and radios and gadgets it inspired me to get into engineering. Hey I’m just a silly farm boy playing with radios. Ha. The fruit of that produced a fun 40 plus year career into HW/SW embedded engineering. But seriously there is something therapeutic about roaming around acres and acres of corn fields. Cheers!
From my own experience In science being informally educated but practicing in the field of geology I found out early in my productive career that it can serve you at times to not know enough to not ask the question. Paradigms can be shifted. I have to say that my hopefulness has increased exponentially since the election of Trump and closing in on the expiration of the Canadian Liberals; notwithstanding the ongoing science that is consistently eroding the narrative on human caused climate change.
Dr. Happer is correct on the measurement people collecting the raw data - mostly a good bunch who are conscientious about the perfection of their craft. Things may or may not be getting worse, but the raw data I've seen so far is mostly self-consistent when calculations are performed and so far I've found no major over-specification. For people that aren't familiar with the term "over-specification" it is where measurements clash and so all the data can't be true at the same time.
The problem is not the data collected by real people but the inferred data from nonexistent stations. It's also the contaminated data wrt temperatures where one or more uhie is tainting the data, yet that tainted data is being used to 'prove' agw.
@carlosgaspar8447 exactly. I know that Dr. Anthony Watts has a website where he's done some work on that. As you can imagine, since he's very skeptical of the climate change narrative alphabet does its best to make sure you don't get his site, even when you search for it by name.
@@wheel-man5319 I 100% agree. The question is how much of it contaminates and inflates the temperature record. Some most likely and I'll be addressing that soon having studied some interesting satellite data. Where I'm fairly certain the urban heat island effect is causing alarmism is in large urban areas reporting their own local temperature extremes that don't necessarily make it into the average Earth's temperature record. I've seen (using my vehicle's outside temperature display) up to a 10C change, many hours after sunset from in the city to the edge of the city. I was moving and made 2-3 trips back and forth and noticed it because of the back and forth throughout that evening. The effect is real.
They don’t anyone criticising their religion . Total intolerance. They don’t like grown up adult debate . Instead they use other means to silence people with cancel culture, insults or threats and as usual it always seems to mostly be socialists .
@@kevinblackburn3198 Most are victims of miseducation -- great vocabularies but proud of their math weaknesses + equate education with the ability to parrot words.
The people who should be brought into the climate science issue are accountants who require to get value for money for all the vast fortunes that are being spent on all this hysteria, on man made global warming! Plus a balanced discussion on the benefits to any warming if there is any, without the interference of the politicians! Yet another great interview with one of the greats in the climate debate!
On the face of it, warming should benefit all life. If our beliefs wrt the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere millions of years ago is correct then more co2 shouldn't be able to cause runaway feedback loops.
One factor that is clearly induced in all formulas coming out of the climate alarmism is the emotional factor, Ef. This Ef factor has a strange ability to show up in all their science...The Ef factor also penetrates in the economic calculations of the climate narrative. Here in Sweden we went all-in building battery factories, Northvolt (it turned out to be NoVolt...) and we did throw money at some other crazy stuff as splitting water molecules with windpower trying to make "green steel" with hydrogen. Now when reality hit the fan it is closed down and we import batteries from China (maybe we are painting them green now) and the green steel idea is in the "pause" basket. Pause is the modern word replacement within climatealarmism for wastebasket. Some sanity is coming back here in Sweden but still long way to go.
Thanks for bringing him in again Tom. and near the end of the video you were absolutely correct to mention the moniker ,"casual brilliance" as he spouted another batch of facts about the particles and the lasers that I don't recall from other talks, and all in a friendly casual format. Then also talking about students ... John Clauser. I heard Clauser talking casually mentioning first (I think) about finding the "elephant in the room on climate." But then John casually mentioned he also found the "elephant in the room" in Quantum!! (emphasis mine). With my city kid vernacular I'll say, "These guys are freak'en unbelievable!!" Not sure if I heard Clauser on your Program Tom. The other part of Will's talk today and I guess as he often does, give us some valuable and interesting history of events. Fantastic. Thanks again Tom and your David Dilly interview I also thought was very thorough and reachable to the common citizen. I sent it to an engineer friend of mine and he was impressed the the quality of Dilly's charts and explanation. I've been super busy and will through the holidays most likely but will try and ck in more regularly. Stay safe and well and good holidays to you. PS: I encourage all readers or viewers to read Tom's full description of Prof Happer's interview. Well worth the time.
Although I imagine it was many years ago, I was sad to learn that Professor Happer's mother died tragically. Casual brilliance is an excellent description of this hero.
Happer is one of my favourite people, and I have never met him. He is right about Public Service and deliberate inertia. But also because most money is tied up in wages and buildings. Without money printing, most big projects are mostly smoke and mirrors, or robbing Peter to pay Paul. Thanks Tom for organising these talks.
Happer has a sound understanding of the question of the proposed man-made carbon-dioxide-emissions global warming. He knows that the proposed warming will not be realized to the degree that is proposed by the mainstream media and most of the bureaucracy. He knows that the warming will probably not be great enough to be detected amongst the natural variations.
I’d like to see Prof Happer request a meeting with the new Sec of Energy to provide his knowledge and advise. His warnings of the intrenched science bureaucrats that need to be challenged of their politicization their climate crisis agenda. Secretary must be very careful to get the right assist secretaries to dig into truth.
We are the land of the free only as long as we are the home of the brave. Dr. Happer is far braver than many in the upper echelons of our alphabet departments.
Someone needs to explain to Vyveck and Vance about how the Parani gauge is an ohm's law equivalent proving the thermal model and falsifying the radiative model totally. It is DNA and finger print level of proof and it should be explained in American English units not metric or industry units. The Parani gauge pure science and 0% handwaving way to explain atmospheric thermal to radiative cooling from the surface to the vacuum of space.
Excellent comment. Although I agree that application of Parani gauge would (and does, essentially) falsify the radiative model (Thanks Tom Shula) it would not (and could not) prove (or validate [fail to refute]) the thermal model. But this isn't because the thermal model isn't actually correct. It is correct. It is because humankind carries deep superstitions about H2O (water). The miss-thinking associated with H2O is universal and non-denominational politically and it results in a dumbed down understanding of H2O that creates an intellectual vacuum that is the excuse or rationale of all green-house speculations from both warmers (Mann, Gore, Hansen, et al) and luke warmers (Lindzen, Happer, Christy, et al) all of which is obfuscatory.
@@SolvingTornadoes Well a Parani Guage measureing air conduction with increasing dew points would show I believe increased convection conduction. Also the implimentaion of some form of water based heat pipe could show the heat of vaporizatoin of H2O transfer. The Shuler Ott paper as well as the Gerlich Tscheuschner explaing the falseness of the radiative model. But I have to take the word of the others that there solving partial differencial equations is true. Ohm's law is also magic to most people, but not so much for most scienctist and lay people to understand. To me the Parani gauge can geive a traceable measurement that agrees with the thermal model mathematics. It can be explained in terms that can be mastered and understood by a far larger group of scienctists and lay people.
Have to investigate the Parani aspect. But as it stands the thermalization model still has a GHG effect implied by higher concentration @@SolvingTornadoes
@@DrSmooth2000 Well, IR is involved, if that is what you mean. But it's H2O that matters, not CO2. And the IR is coming from the moisture (suspended H2O nanodroplets) in your immediate vicinity, not directly from the clouds far above. IOW, this notion that IR can travel long distances (from the clouds to the ground, for example.) is disproven by the insight gained from Parani gauges.. So the notion that there is a so-called "greenhouse effect "that relates so-called "radiative transfer" that supposedly relates to some purported special radiative abilities of CO2 and that results in so-called "CO2 Forcing" is just hyperbole and marketing, not science.
At the end when you asked him about the claims that CO2 has zero warming affect, he answered the question about clouds being related to the greenhouse affect, he made no mention of CO2. I think he didn't understand your question and answered the more general question about whether the greenhouse affect is a thing relating to water vapor/clouds, not specifically CO2s affect on the greenhouse affect.
As kids playing soccer in the park we knew there were "sore losers" who took the ball and went home if things didn't go their way. The loss of the petro-dollar was in sight by the start of the panic, and lots of events are tied to avoiding it's loss. Taking the ball away is the most extreme, the new game to be played needs more kit and it's rules are still being written.
Great second talk with Will Happer. However, I found it a wasted opportunity to question him about the thermalization hypothesis of Ott/Shula and others. I would really, really like happers comments to that theory, and the implications on the results of the radiative transfer model.
It is worthwhile to point out that the GHE is of course dependant on greenhouse GASSES. Now, i think one should make a distinction between molecules like Co2 and water vapour the latter included in the GHE by Happer and others. The question is: is water vapour a gas? This seems an easy answerable question but if you dig into it it is more complex. Water vapour and Co2 differ strongly for instance. I would call greenhouse gasses all the real gasses in the atmosphere but exclude water vapour. That has to do with the complexity of phase transitions especially of H2O. Ask a physicist about fluid dynamics and he/she will tell you exactly how complex it is. This to highlight the GHE and Happer's view on it..
Water vapor in earth's atmosphere is always liquid, not gaseous. A common delusion involves the belief that clear moist air must be gaseous because it is clear. But this is nonsense. This is one of many ways in which mankind has confused itself about the role of water in the atmosphere. Meteorologists are the worst. Their convection model of storms is blatant nonsense. Happer's generation has turned storm theory into a cartoon.
Why bother having a climate field in the first place? They're busily measuring stuff we have no control over and never will. If the climate is going to change it will.
I believe that most scientists agree that the terms Greenhouse Effect and Greenhouse Gas are misnomers in that the effects on the climate of both incoming and outgoing radiation are mitigated by all atmospheric gases, but differ in terms of the extent of mitigation in both directions but that the major distinction between the natural heat fluxes and that of a Greenhouse is that a Greenhouse inhibits convective heat transfer and the atmosphere has a fluid upper boundary that allows for gases of a higher temperature to escape to the cooler regions where the heat dissipates. Fourier understood this right at the start of the 19thC during his enforced stay in Egypt after Bonapartes abortive Syrian campaign but his findings are repeatedly misquoted by Climate Change advocates. Until we can agree on a newer more scientific term such as the Latent Energy Effect or something else more apt, then we are all going to be stuck in this endless loop with little chance of breaking out - the Climate Change Clique aren't going to do this - its going to have to be someone else from "marketing"
I intentionally kept a low profile for several years and they never realized who I was until it was too late. Currently they have been informed I am lurking on Bluesky, where Kutney & Co have run to, where he is STILL being condescending to others. I have a different name, different handle and am a kind of .. 'Harbinger'. Michael Mann and British talkRadio host James O'Brien and others have already heard and blocked me. Despite not having a full on confrontation with them for three years, the former, and five years, the latter. 🤷♂
27min amnesia: physics is much more abstract and esoteric than foreign relations. People have intuition for power struggles, cooperation etc. They do NOT have intuition about the uncertainty principle, the meaning of the wave function, etc. So a newspaper is more likely to be "right" about foreign relations than quantum physics.
Read Prof. Happers work on the mathematics of electromagnetic radiation and the quantum physics of CO2 and the other so-called greenhouse gases. It is a difficult read, but if you understand calculus he certainly shows from fundamental physics that warming by greenhouse gases, and particularly CO2, cannot exceed 1C. So the climate modelers must resort to secondary factors caused by CO2, such as perhaps cloud formation, must send the world into catastrophic warming. That is why the models are so far away from describing reality.
@@Enl1thened1 Given what we currently know about pollution clean, that's criminal. Maybe your current king, instead of talking about being green, should part with a few million to help England reclaim her past beauty.
British Rivers are polluted by organic nitrogen. In hills from livestock but in the Port cities... Human excrement is dumped raw 💁♀️ Privatization of water-sewer shifted priorities from septic processing
85 Years Young!
All respect to Prof Happer!
Prof Happer, such a beautiful, humble genius. As a non academic I could listen to him for hours.
I respekt Happer,, but humble.
... 85 years of earned trust - God bless this man for eternity ....
On another note: Tom I just want to express my deep gratitude for these interviews and all the hard work you put into your podcasts. Bringing the knowledge of guys like Will Happer to this plebeian in Cape Town is deeply appreciated!
Thank you, Michael!
Indeed!
Indeed, inderdaad, completely agree, also from me here in Flanders (Belgium).
What a great honor to be alive in the same age as brilliant men like Dr Happer.
We need sound explanations not unverified opinions and Pof Happer is a good man.
My prayers are with you and your family, Will Happer, and everyone around you! Thank-you for your hard work!
What a cheerful man. You can't help but grow respect for this very rational, very thoughtful man to whom we wish long and still productive life. Thank you Prof. Happer.
It is so wonderful that Dr. Happer truly cares about young people having a purpose for their lives.
Of all the sane scientists out there Will Happer is my favourite.❤️
Very comforting - Will Happer is one of those dear people you wish was your uncle or close relative - thanks for all you do, Will & Tom - We must keep Hope in our hearts...
Well, i have the feeling he is in a sense.
My 2 cents from Flanders (Belgium).
I always try to watch and listen to this brilliant man.
One day, his name will be remembered for the truth
Professor Happer is a legend. A true hero of mine.
I would love for Dr. Happer to visit Joe Rogan and do a 3 hour interview that millions watch. There are so many interesting things in his life that only come out in relaxed conversation.
So much wonderful common sense from this man…. Thank you Tom for the opportunity to listen to him again
Thanks for watching, and thanks for the kind words, Mike!
@@tomnelson2080 Not at all. Thank you for everything you do to create this channel with so many in depth, truly scientific and rational presentations that provide a counter to the ridiculous, not to mention ruinous, climate narrative that prevails. I just wish this could reach more people…
Thank you both for this interview!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always a treat to hear from Prof. Happer.
Thanks
What a thoroughly decent and brilliant person. Us mere mortals are so fortunate to have such fellow humans amongst us.
Talking of respect. Will Happer, his knowledge and his humanity speaks volumes. Brilliant person. Talks a lot of common sense.
I really appreciate Will Happer.
Dr. Happer back in the 1980s when Ronald Reagan introduced "Star Wars" created a missile targeting system for the Department of Defense by using a laser to create an "artifical star" by exciting sodium atoms in the atmosphere in the "sodium layer," which exists 40 to 50 miles above the earth. From 1991 to 1993, Dr. Happer served as director of the Department of Energy office as part of the George H.W. Bush Administration. Sometime after President Bill Clinton took office in 1993, Dr. Happer passed Vice President Al Gore in a hallway and had a short chat. Gore asked Happer his opinion of global warming (as they called it long before they called it climate change), and Happer told him that it wasn’t anything to worry about. Not long thereafter Happer was called into the Secretary’s office (for Bush and Gore), and she asked Happer outright, “What the hell did you do to piss off Al Gore?” Happer answered that he had no idea, other than to say he had had a short chat with Gore in a hallway. The Secretary informed Happer that he was immediately fired, but she said that they had another position for him. Happer told her no thanks and returned to Princeton University. When politicians disrespect established well-respected scientists, these are not the kind of people that we want to run our government. In fact, I'm among those who think that those politicians who have used the government to enrich themselves and push their personal agendas should be prosecuted and sent to prison.
Always great to hear the reasonable, highly accomplished, modest Dr. Happer. Thank you.
Thanks Tom for another great interview!
God bless Will Happer many times. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great interview - and Will Happer is a legend.
Thanks for the very enjoyable discussion. It was nice to listen to your conversation dealing with climate change from a political , philosophical perspective. Dr Happer’s humility always shines through , I admire him greatly , both of you are extraordinary role models. Dr Happer suggested a belief , which I have long agreed with , anyone with a modicum of inquisitiveness for the subject, common sense plus perhaps a basic grasp of science and logic, is capable of recognizing the truth behind this topic , which many of us find un-controversial. Thanks for yet another great podcast Tom !
Many thanks. Will is always interesting to listen to.
The one I've waited for. Brilliant scientist.
A superb interview with a brilliant man. Thanks Tom and Will.
Mr Happer, I have much respect for a great and honourable teacher. Legend.
This man is a real hero!
Another amazing interview with Dr. Happer. this channel needs to be promoted across the world
Thanks Dr. Happer for a great discussion. I really appreciate the CO2 saturation graph that you pointed out several years ago. I think that graph and discussions around it should be repeated as often as possible. If there's a counter argument as to why it should be ignored, I'd love to hear it. Moving from 400ppm CO2 to 800 ppm CO2 only captures a very, very small amount of additional energy.
also, the greenhouse effect provided by clouds overnight, does the opposite during the day....
Saturation is one thing in laboratory and another in the vertical mile above the lab
@@DrSmooth2000 different physics at different altitudes? Interesting.
@@dougsherman1562 the IR radiation that co2 absorbs at low altitude is under more pressure and surrounded by higher density to which co2 can release that energy. at higher altitudes you have a greater temperature gradient to release the IR energy but not as many collisions per unit time. (i'm assuming that co2 saturation is not long lasting in either case). so it would be different.
@@carlosgaspar8447 OK, thanks for that idea and it makes sense. Easy to test in the lab. Evacuate a flask, input some gas and test absorption at different pressures. It would be an interesting experiment and has probably already been done.
Nice chat. Thanks for your time Mr. Happer. Any time I get to hear from what I call one of the greates. 😊 I like to listen in 👍. You are one of the greates.
Excellent point made at 30:16 about practical experience in life. Victor Davis Hanson has also discussed this, relating it to the hoi mesoi, who were the small farmers in ancient Greece, making up the majority of the active citizens of the polis. We lack practical wisdom, today.
Always a pleasure listening to Dr. Happer, especially when the questions come from Tom. Great show once again.
William Happer is National Treasure.
Love Prof Happer! Thank you both for this great piece!
I really enjoy listening to Will Happer’s steady state discussions. He doesn’t yell and pound the table or try to belittle you.
This was a great video but of course I have spent my teenage years on a farm and into Ham (amateur radio) radio. As a young teenager building antennas and radios and gadgets it inspired me to get into engineering. Hey I’m just a silly farm boy playing with radios. Ha. The fruit of that produced a fun 40 plus year career into HW/SW embedded engineering. But seriously there is something therapeutic about roaming around acres and acres of corn fields.
Cheers!
If any of your corn grew near a source of CO2, did you notice a growth difference between that corn and corn with similar sunlight?
Es un placer escuchar al Dr Happer.
From my own experience In science being informally educated but practicing in the field of geology I found out early in my productive career that it can serve you at times to not know enough to not ask the question. Paradigms can be shifted.
I have to say that my hopefulness has increased exponentially since the election of Trump and closing in on the expiration of the Canadian Liberals; notwithstanding the ongoing science that is consistently eroding the narrative on human caused climate change.
Dr. Happer is correct on the measurement people collecting the raw data - mostly a good bunch who are conscientious about the perfection of their craft. Things may or may not be getting worse, but the raw data I've seen so far is mostly self-consistent when calculations are performed and so far I've found no major over-specification. For people that aren't familiar with the term "over-specification" it is where measurements clash and so all the data can't be true at the same time.
The problem is not the data collected by real people but the inferred data from nonexistent stations. It's also the contaminated data wrt temperatures where one or more uhie is tainting the data, yet that tainted data is being used to 'prove' agw.
@@wheel-man5319 some data is being collected from stations that were not in urban areas 40 years ago. not sure if they account for that.
@@carlosgaspar8447corrections to only use pure rural stations have been done inside agency and out. See Anthony Watts.
@carlosgaspar8447 exactly. I know that Dr. Anthony Watts has a website where he's done some work on that. As you can imagine, since he's very skeptical of the climate change narrative alphabet does its best to make sure you don't get his site, even when you search for it by name.
@@wheel-man5319 I 100% agree. The question is how much of it contaminates and inflates the temperature record. Some most likely and I'll be addressing that soon having studied some interesting satellite data. Where I'm fairly certain the urban heat island effect is causing alarmism is in large urban areas reporting their own local temperature extremes that don't necessarily make it into the average Earth's temperature record. I've seen (using my vehicle's outside temperature display) up to a 10C change, many hours after sunset from in the city to the edge of the city. I was moving and made 2-3 trips back and forth and noticed it because of the back and forth throughout that evening. The effect is real.
What a great guy it does not surprise me to hear him speak very highly of Freeman Dyson.
The fact that he and his family have received death threats is just insane.
They don’t anyone criticising their religion . Total intolerance.
They don’t like grown up adult debate . Instead they use other means to silence people with cancel culture, insults or threats and as usual it always seems to mostly be socialists .
Trofim Lyssenko sent genetisists with differing opinions in the USSR, who didn't follow " official science " to the Gulag.
These “Climate Cultists” are incredibly dangerous and stupid people
@@kevinblackburn3198 Most are victims of miseducation -- great vocabularies but proud of their math weaknesses + equate education with the ability to parrot words.
That is the typical behavior pattern of a certain religion...
Good old mr Happer. May his wisdom and knowledge reach the consciousness of us all before the insanity fully taken us.
Great guest.
One of my heroes in life.
The people who should be brought into the climate science issue are accountants who require to get value for money for all the vast fortunes that are being spent on all this hysteria, on man made global warming! Plus a balanced discussion on the benefits to any warming if there is any, without the interference of the politicians! Yet another great interview with one of the greats in the climate debate!
On the face of it, warming should benefit all life. If our beliefs wrt the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere millions of years ago is correct then more co2 shouldn't be able to cause runaway feedback loops.
One factor that is clearly induced in all formulas coming out of the climate alarmism is the emotional factor, Ef. This Ef factor has a strange ability to show up in all their science...The Ef factor also penetrates in the economic calculations of the climate narrative. Here in Sweden we went all-in building battery factories, Northvolt (it turned out to be NoVolt...) and we did throw money at some other crazy stuff as splitting water molecules with windpower trying to make "green steel" with hydrogen. Now when reality hit the fan it is closed down and we import batteries from China (maybe we are painting them green now) and the green steel idea is in the "pause" basket. Pause is the modern word replacement within climatealarmism for wastebasket. Some sanity is coming back here in Sweden but still long way to go.
What a GREAT man!
THANKYOU BOTH!
Blessings from Australia...❤
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Thanks for bringing him in again Tom. and near the end of the video you were absolutely correct to mention the moniker ,"casual brilliance" as he spouted another batch of facts about the particles and the lasers that I don't recall from other talks, and all in a friendly casual format.
Then also talking about students ... John Clauser. I heard Clauser talking casually mentioning first (I think) about finding the "elephant in the room on climate." But then John casually mentioned he also found the "elephant in the room" in Quantum!! (emphasis mine). With my city kid vernacular I'll say, "These guys are freak'en unbelievable!!" Not sure if I heard Clauser on your Program Tom.
The other part of Will's talk today and I guess as he often does, give us some valuable and interesting history of events. Fantastic.
Thanks again Tom and your David Dilly interview I also thought was very thorough and reachable to the common citizen. I sent it to an engineer friend of mine and he was impressed the the quality of Dilly's charts and explanation.
I've been super busy and will through the holidays most likely but will try and ck in more regularly.
Stay safe and well and good holidays to you.
PS: I encourage all readers or viewers to read Tom's full description of Prof Happer's interview. Well worth the time.
Thanks, Don! I haven't yet had Clauser on this channel.
Although I imagine it was many years ago, I was sad to learn that Professor Happer's mother died tragically.
Casual brilliance is an excellent description of this hero.
Great interview Tom! Thanks.
Happer is one of my favourite people, and I have never met him.
He is right about Public Service and deliberate inertia. But also because most money is tied up in wages and buildings. Without money printing, most big projects are mostly smoke and mirrors, or robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Thanks Tom for organising these talks.
Brilliant Tom
So refreshing!
Thank you!
I so like and respect Will, as the Scots would say, “lang may yer lum reek”.
The gift of hope….
Brilliant stuff in more ways than
one!
Dr Happer is the best -- especially when it comes to CO2 science and greenhouse effects.
Thank God THE TRUTH Thank you
This man is a modern saint
Happer has a sound understanding of the question of the proposed man-made carbon-dioxide-emissions global warming. He knows that the proposed warming will not be realized to the degree that is proposed by the mainstream media and most of the bureaucracy. He knows that the warming will probably not be great enough to be detected amongst the natural variations.
I’d like to see Prof Happer request a meeting with the new Sec of Energy to provide his knowledge and advise. His warnings of the intrenched science bureaucrats that need to be challenged of their politicization their climate crisis agenda. Secretary must be very careful to get the right assist secretaries to dig into truth.
Awesome interview
We are the land of the free only as long as we are the home of the brave. Dr. Happer is far braver than many in the upper echelons of our alphabet departments.
The 🇺🇸 became the home of the free because of the brave!
Let's hope the long awaited red team blue team debate will finally come to happen. Cheers!
Death threats? That's insane.
Someone needs to explain to Vyveck and Vance about how the Parani gauge is an ohm's law equivalent proving the thermal model and falsifying the radiative model totally. It is DNA and finger print level of proof and it should be explained in American English units not metric or industry units. The Parani gauge pure science and 0% handwaving way to explain atmospheric thermal to radiative cooling from the surface to the vacuum of space.
Excellent comment. Although I agree that application of Parani gauge would (and does, essentially) falsify the radiative model (Thanks Tom Shula) it would not (and could not) prove (or validate [fail to refute]) the thermal model. But this isn't because the thermal model isn't actually correct. It is correct. It is because humankind carries deep superstitions about H2O (water). The miss-thinking associated with H2O is universal and non-denominational politically and it results in a dumbed down understanding of H2O that creates an intellectual vacuum that is the excuse or rationale of all green-house speculations from both warmers (Mann, Gore, Hansen, et al) and luke warmers (Lindzen, Happer, Christy, et al) all of which is obfuscatory.
@@SolvingTornadoes Well a Parani Guage measureing air conduction with increasing dew points would show I believe increased convection conduction. Also the implimentaion of some form of water based heat pipe could show the heat of vaporizatoin of H2O transfer. The Shuler Ott paper as well as the Gerlich Tscheuschner explaing the falseness of the radiative model. But I have to take the word of the others that there solving partial differencial equations is true. Ohm's law is also magic to most people, but not so much for most scienctist and lay people to understand. To me the Parani gauge can geive a traceable measurement that agrees with the thermal model mathematics.
It can be explained in terms that can be mastered and understood by a far larger group of scienctists and lay people.
Have to investigate the Parani aspect. But as it stands the thermalization model still has a GHG effect implied by higher concentration
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@@DrSmooth2000 Well, IR is involved, if that is what you mean. But it's H2O that matters, not CO2. And the IR is coming from the moisture (suspended H2O nanodroplets) in your immediate vicinity, not directly from the clouds far above. IOW, this notion that IR can travel long distances (from the clouds to the ground, for example.) is disproven by the insight gained from Parani gauges.. So the notion that there is a so-called "greenhouse effect "that relates so-called "radiative transfer" that supposedly relates to some purported special radiative abilities of CO2 and that results in so-called "CO2 Forcing" is just hyperbole and marketing, not science.
"Dearth of integrity"
Good man, Will Happer.
At the end when you asked him about the claims that CO2 has zero warming affect, he answered the question about clouds being related to the greenhouse affect, he made no mention of CO2. I think he didn't understand your question and answered the more general question about whether the greenhouse affect is a thing relating to water vapor/clouds, not specifically CO2s affect on the greenhouse affect.
"ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant. " Tacitus(Agricola)
"They make a desolation and they call it peace"
i think the translation is more akin to "they eliminate all the enemies, and they call it peace".
@@carlosgaspar8447 Yes, the translation is open to interpretation. Google translate says "where they make solitude, they call it peace."
@@thegeneralist7527 which might make sense to a Buddhist monk.
As kids playing soccer in the park we knew there were "sore losers" who took the ball and went home if things didn't go their way. The loss of the petro-dollar was in sight by the start of the panic, and lots of events are tied to avoiding it's loss. Taking the ball away is the most extreme, the new game to be played needs more kit and it's rules are still being written.
Great second talk with Will Happer. However, I found it a wasted opportunity to question him about the thermalization hypothesis of Ott/Shula and others. I would really, really like happers comments to that theory, and the implications on the results of the radiative transfer model.
Good observation: "Reign of Terror on Science."
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It is worthwhile to point out that the GHE is of course dependant on greenhouse GASSES. Now, i think one should make a distinction between molecules like Co2 and water vapour the latter included in the GHE by Happer and others. The question is: is water vapour a gas? This seems an easy answerable question but if you dig into it it is more complex. Water vapour and Co2 differ strongly for instance. I would call greenhouse gasses all the real gasses in the atmosphere but exclude water vapour. That has to do with the complexity of phase transitions especially of H2O. Ask a physicist about fluid dynamics and he/she will tell you exactly how complex it is.
This to highlight the GHE and Happer's view on it..
Water vapor in earth's atmosphere is always liquid, not gaseous. A common delusion involves the belief that clear moist air must be gaseous because it is clear. But this is nonsense. This is one of many ways in which mankind has confused itself about the role of water in the atmosphere. Meteorologists are the worst. Their convection model of storms is blatant nonsense. Happer's generation has turned storm theory into a cartoon.
Why bother having a climate field in the first place? They're busily measuring stuff we have no control over and never will. If the climate is going to change it will.
I'd love to hear what he thinks about the relationship between radiative transfer and thermalisation.
When was this interview taken ??
I believe that most scientists agree that the terms Greenhouse Effect and Greenhouse Gas are misnomers in that the effects on the climate of both incoming and outgoing radiation are mitigated by all atmospheric gases, but differ in terms of the extent of mitigation in both directions but that the major distinction between the natural heat fluxes and that of a Greenhouse is that a Greenhouse inhibits convective heat transfer and the atmosphere has a fluid upper boundary that allows for gases of a higher temperature to escape to the cooler regions where the heat dissipates. Fourier understood this right at the start of the 19thC during his enforced stay in Egypt after Bonapartes abortive Syrian campaign but his findings are repeatedly misquoted by Climate Change advocates. Until we can agree on a newer more scientific term such as the Latent Energy Effect or something else more apt, then we are all going to be stuck in this endless loop with little chance of breaking out - the Climate Change Clique aren't going to do this - its going to have to be someone else from "marketing"
I intentionally kept a low profile for several years and they never realized who I was until it was too late.
Currently they have been informed I am lurking on Bluesky, where Kutney & Co have run to, where he is STILL being condescending to others. I have a different name, different handle and am a kind of .. 'Harbinger'.
Michael Mann and British talkRadio host James O'Brien and others have already heard and blocked me. Despite not having a full on confrontation with them for three years, the former, and five years, the latter. 🤷♂
Has anyone found the recent articles by Richard Lindzen, mentioned at 30:50?
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27min amnesia: physics is much more abstract and esoteric than foreign relations. People have intuition for power struggles, cooperation etc. They do NOT have intuition about the uncertainty principle, the meaning of the wave function, etc. So a newspaper is more likely to be "right" about foreign relations than quantum physics.
Scary -- because i know first hand about papers getting foreign relations wrong.
Artificial Intelligence uses artificial logic.
I would think that if the govt would fund specifically climate science without a predetermined outcome about co2 that might be a good start.
Dr. Jordan Peterson: "You will always learn something of benefit listening to your enemy."
Wow so insightful! Ever heard of Lao Tzu?
Would you rather buy a second hand car from Will. Happer or Michael Mann ?
Aredteam needed in climate science
will happer has forgotten more about athmospherical physics than most climatologists has ever known collectively
I dont think he has forgotten much.
maybe you can test him on that.
There is being lied to about subjects that you know about but there is also a lie that is about things that you just don’t know anything about.
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Ah, held it off til last but wishing expounding on his model of greenhouse effect and what changes it over time!
Earlier episode for that?
Gwyn dy fyd William Happer
Talking of death threats from the climate crisis activists. Has the likes of Mann, ever received a death threat, from climate realists?
Nope. We rely on truth rather than the silencing of truth seekers.
I doubt it. He's been called a hack....
Read Prof. Happers work on the mathematics of electromagnetic radiation and the quantum physics of CO2 and the other so-called greenhouse gases. It is a difficult read, but if you understand calculus he certainly shows from fundamental physics that warming by greenhouse gases, and particularly CO2, cannot exceed 1C. So the climate modelers must resort to secondary factors caused by CO2, such as perhaps cloud formation, must send the world into catastrophic warming. That is why the models are so far away from describing reality.
There's no climate emergency but there sure is a pollution crisis, this is where money should be going, but industry buys itself an invisibility cloak
Most pollution now in other countries. We should be exporting antipollution tech, not making money of "little" wars.
@@friendlyone2706 Here in the UK, All rivers are very bad and seas and oceans on the edge of collapse
@@Enl1thened1 Given what we currently know about pollution clean, that's criminal. Maybe your current king, instead of talking about being green, should part with a few million to help England reclaim her past beauty.
He's too busy making sure any mention of Andrew's name isn't in connection with Jeffrey Epstein....!@friendlyone2706
British Rivers are polluted by organic nitrogen. In hills from livestock but in the Port cities...
Human excrement is dumped raw 💁♀️
Privatization of water-sewer shifted priorities from septic processing