Our First European EV Road Trip Was Trickier Than Expected! Opel Mokka-e from Munich To Graz & Back
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Kyle and Tijmen head out on their first European EV road trip in the 2021 Opel Mokka-e. They head out on a full day trip from Munich, Germany to Graz, Austria as they learn the charging networks and processes to activate the chargers as Americans.
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I’m pumped to share the start of our European adventures with you! This trip was truly eye opening in so many ways. Great to be able to test EVs that we don’t have in the US for our Out of Spec Reviews channel and to talk about charging infrastructure and road trips with this channel here. Living the dream!
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The plugsurfing convenience does come at a price. There's a pretty significant surcharge on top of an already expensive KWh fee for DC fast charging.
@@virtualmartijn The cheaper is usually to use the app when you can. A month here without data's, it's gonna be hard for him, at least it would be for me. 😁
It seems that you spend a lot of time around... Are you planning to move or what ? 😉
Yes, Redbull is a thing here in Europe. It is an austrian company.
"We have some Red Bull, I'm glad this is a thing in Europe..." - You're in Austria, where Red Bull's from, my guy... lol. :)
red bull is originally from thailand… but that’s a longer story.
@@leotek.. Not the brand. The drink maybe, but the brand's from Austria, and it took over the world quite quickly, so Americans assume it's American, probably. ;)
@@leotek.. Thats a flat drink with a similar logo. Tastes nothing like Red Bull wich is Austrian
I like Kyle's adventurous style of travelling in Europe with no much preparation and planning. In is contrasting with Tesla Bjorn recent trip to Slovenia when even with Tesla Model Y, Bjorn has shown a full bucket of RFIDs in the video before departuring to that European trip.
Lol yeah… I am actually preemptively collecting cards, I have over 50 now from around the world. If you’re going to do an international trip, you can’t expect roaming to work on every charger.
😂 "Got some Red Bull, I'm glad that's a thing in Europe"😂 ...while charging in the homeland of Red Bull in Austria....
You don't need a second phone or transfer your existing account, you can simply create a second store account in a different region to download the apps. Multiple can be active on a single phone at the same time.
Mooka-e is build on the PSA Peugeot 2008 platform. Enjoy Europe.
Here in the UK its branded Vauxhall and owned by the PSA group and not GM any more since 2017
I love driving in Austria! There are no mountains where I live, so the Austrian landscape is very exciting to me!
Did you guys purchased Austria road tax stickers or payed the tolls online btw?
Thanks for sharing theplugsurfing network, planning on going to Copenhagen from UK soon. Planning on using Ionity mainly as it supports plug and charge with the Mach-e but having plugsurfing just opens up the options
Had several Opel or Vauxhall rental cars back during the days of gas (or Diesel). Always liked them. Not surprised for that to carry forward to electric.
In Europe you definitively need Plugsurfing (overall) and Chargemap (for France, Spain especially) and probably Maingau and Newmotion for Germany.
Subaru called; they want their CrossTrek wheels back Opel!
The charger setup is dumb. In the UK its been mandated to take credit/debit cards on rapids for some time, no need for silly network membership.
What was going on with the tyre pressure? The lamp was constantly on!
The biggest problem in Europe regarding charging is going abroad as there are to few EMP that work everywhere in Europe.
But it is getting better.
Do you prefer the European implementation of CCS compared to our American version. The odds of either continent getting a more sleekTesla style connector seem slim
European Union requires all manufacturers selling their EVs in Europe to have CCS. This way you can charge Tesla not only on Supercharger but on ANY charger without any adapters. And in many countries there's more non-Tesla charging stations so it makes a lot of sense (but Tesla's proprietary charging port is way more comfortable)
In Europe we have the Type2-plug for AC charging, because of the 3-phase grid. With J-1772 only single phase is possible.
And the CCS plug is a combined plug, so they had to design it for the Type2-plug here.
20:15 Red Bull originated in Austria...
There is a clear solution for thee guys. To make amends I think Red Bull PR should let them do some laps of the Red Bull Ring in some EVs :-)
not really. but then, who cares.
2:17 "I'm glad that's a thing in Europe" lol RedBull was founded in Austria :D
That guy really ripped you off at the charger. If he took 50 euros for a charge, he himself pays maybe 10-15 euros for that charge.
At 0.29 EUR per minute + 0.5 EUR starting fee it can actually cost 30-40 EUR to fully charge an e-tron. Without knowing the battery size it may therefore have seemed reasonable to the Audi driver.
Hy Kyle !
Great videos I love your road trips Greetings from Bad Ischl
Not trying to be smug or anything, but even for a european it can be a mess so I am really happy about Tesla's supercharger network, from Oslo to Barcelona, no worries.I had the same problem with me wanting to install a Italian and Spanish charge app for those stations not supported by Plugsurfing, and it wouldn't accept my Apple Appstore from Denmark.
What is infuriating is that as you saw on some of those chargers, unlike the Tesla superchargers, a lot are sponsored by the European Union(my tax money) and I can't even used them.
€50 to start the charge for you , that was a bit étron of the e-tron driver .
That e-tron needs to get paid somehow,doesn't it? ;-)
Well if you leave it on charge for 100% battery, he would be paying much more, fees for charging above 80%. More for time and kWh
So he made sure at least he was covered for any abuse of the charging
Opel Mokka,haha,hello from pontault-Combault !!
7H23 AM
@Out of Spec Motoring I hope Opel doesn't have your credit card information since you had no toll sticker for austrian Autobahn on your windscreen. If one of the ASFINAG cameras caught you not paying the € 9.50 toll for 10 days, Opel as the owner of the vehicle will receive a € 120 bill from Austria and if they don't pay in time a fine of up to € 3.000 will be added.
Hey Kyle - another great vid! It would be great if you could arrange a visit to the UK to see how bad our charging infrastructure is! There’s almost no chargers greater than 50kw, and I think you’d be shocked at the number of people who just park their car (EV and ICE) in charging spaces and walk away!!
I have a 2015 24kwh Nissan Leaf. It uses the old but very functional Chademo Rapid charging standard. On most cars that use it there is a 50kw speed limit. But, there are 100kw Chademo chargers popping up all over the place even though the most common car using that standard (the Leaf) has now been around for 12 years. I see 100kw, 120kw, 150kw and faster chargers all over the place even if you exclude Teslas. More than 300 new chargers appear every month in the UK. There have been maintenance issues with many chargers that have been around for a long while, but some of that is due to the transition to upgraded tech. And that doesn't impact the rapid growth in availability and type of chargers.
trying to drive that raptor in Europe must be fun
I'm from Graz, this was cool!
Fellow native from Graz here. A pity you didn't get to experience more of my lovely hometown.
Kyle! Any chance you're coming to Finland?
'Things just work over here' Yep, as long as you are in Germany or Austria. Anywhere else it will be very different, and if it's Italy just buy a pedal bike or walk.
If you already think that 150 km/h is not fast enough, you are gonna find your come back to USA pretty hard. 😄
This is how we can see that you already spent a lot of time here.
Great, Tijmen speaks the same language that I do.
I think he knows how to pronounce mokka-e in Dutch or German, he should know.
I'm torn on EVs. They don't feel ready yet for mainstream use, and yet they look like so much fun. Your passion is contagious.
I had the same opinion for a long time. But right now I think it is viable enough even if you can't charge at home or at work. At least in my area we now have enough public charging options that I feel comfortable with the longer range EVs.
You'll save about 50% in fuel and maintenance costs and if you're able to plug in at home, hardly ever needing a public charger.
@@jdlutz1965 I love the concept. I think I will still wait a few more years until it becomes better, but I like what I'm seeing thus far.
if u have a tesla or togg, your set. until then the public network isn’t ready i agree.
Opel was owned by GM but they recently sold Opel to PSA of France but for some reason their new products still use GM switchgear
I was lucky enough to get a used 2018 Buick Regal TourX, a.k.a., Opel Insignia Sports Tourer. It's like a luxury German sedan at a GM price point. Bring Opel to America, PSA!
@@elizabethpisares6138 They can´t, it´s an agreement they signed with GM. As part of Stellantis now, they could bring some of those features to Chrysler though.
Phone booths at 36:00, not seen one of those in a while.
This clearly shows how crap is the current situation of the charging infrastructure. Now there are chargers almost everywhere, but between charge apps, issues and roaming costs it's just painful.
Let's say an American rents an EV at Sixt or Avis, goes out and finds out that there is no way to download the needed apps.
Let's hope Europe will impose some standardization soon!
Don't forget the six Ps: Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Some people argue you should be able to just wing it. But, in the UK at least, petrol and diesel car drivers wing it and every week 15,8K of them run out of fuel because THEY DIDN'T PLAN THEIR JOURNEY. They trusted to luck and it ran out. EV drivers are more likely to plan. They not only plan for availability and convenience, they also plan for cost. It is possible to drive around the whole UK without having to pay a penny for charging. You can choose the balance of cost, convenience and delay that suits you. If you want to do 500 miles in one day you can. If you want to split the journey into bitesize chunks, stretch it out to four days and stop and smell the bluebells at each stop you can. And proper planning means that you don't have to carry around lots of apps and cards. I have one RFID card and most (if not all) rapid chargers I use will take contactless credit card payment. If one charger isn't available there's always somewhere else you can stop. I once did 890 miles in a two day round trip using my 90 mile EV and never had an issue charging. That was five years ago. The infrastructure has grown hugely in that time. Every time I drive up North there are more options for charging.
What I do here in Norway is that I have a RFID keychain from my electric car club. This chip has a number that I can connect to all the popular charging companies in Norway. It's either done through their app or website. Still haven't had any issue with a charger that's not supported at least in Norway and Sweden.
That Audi E-Tron owner ripped you off just like the General in "Don´t Look Up".
25:30 But can it run Crysis?
Old-y but a goldie.
welcome to europe ! europe still has a lot to learn about ev charging infrastructure... especially france , if you dont have a tesla
20:16, it’s an austrian company? you should be glad you have it in the U.S
This is a better EV than Bolt though. It s built on a new EV platform from PSA.
For eu travel make sure you get 2 or 3 different load cards one wil pic always
Volle Ladung means full charge.
My 1971 Opel 1900 Rallye ICE would pull 97 mph wound out.
The Air electric app tells you what card works with what charger for how much. Quite cool.
I am so happy with my Tesla
In Europe there are much more alternative......
Nice small Raptor.
Every country has different laws regarding app content, privacy, etc…. So getting a German phone was the way to go. Possibly A VPN would allow you to appear as if you were physically in the US, maybe, so possibly that would allow for access to the App Store. All the best!
Also, the frequencies are different in Europe (1800MHz vs. 1900MHz), as are various other parameters of the radio link; so if your phone model is built for a specific market (like e.g. some older iPhone models) and doesn't include the proper radio circuitry it is actually physically unable to communicate with the network.
Wow Europe
Newer been outside the neatherlands? That must be wrong that small country
According to Plugshare Kyle charged a Taycan at Circle K, Frederia, Denmark... Part 2? :P
Our charging infrastructure is kind of a mess. Yeah we don't have the problem to get the correct app but to use all options available you need like 5 or 6 different apps just to use those damn things. That's why I ordered a Tesla. It's just way easier and much more reliable for longer trips with the supercharger network.
download a VPN man. can get around country restrictions by selecting what country you are in
I too wish VW brought the id3 here to America. But what about the id3 fire risk? It has the same LG batteries that the Bolt EV has, doesn’t it?
Eric, as a German I can’t understand why you would like to have the ID3 in the States…. Cheap interior. The Koreans, hell, even Ford with the Mach-E is now better than the ID3/4… over the times of German quality cars :D
@@carroux4050 The ID3 is really cool from the outside, and the baterry and performance looks really decent. The looks on the inside, not so much.
Pls check the Skoda Enyaq!
Sorry but what card did you use to tap on the EV charging point? I am going to rent an EV in Germany later this year but I don’t know how the charging works in terms of how to activate the charging stations and pay for the charging.
Nice trip… however this car is not conceived for those who frequently need to travel 700km one way but if need be, yes you can, it has a very comfy seat
This car is for people who don t travel long distance obviously. You don t need 700 km car if you only travel 100 km daily.
13:25 the charge button is right there?
Would love an EV Alaska road trip
The angst of dealing with these networks and their disparate apps clearly designed only for locals makes me think I should just rent an ICE if I visit Europe and that sucks.
These charging providers need to make it easy on anyone to use their network. Why even bother asking for an address, phone number and local credit card? It’s like they don’t want visitors’ money. Just accept all credit cards and don’t ask for unnecessary information.
Recently there was a bill passed that requires new chargers to accept debit and credit cards. The downside is, as of right now, that's only for chargers build in 2024 or later and existing ones are not required to be upgraded. While it is a step in the right direction it is unfortunately typical for EU. Always only acting when the problems are already here instead of thinking ahead and acting accordingly.
@@Telris86 bill only applies for government-funded ones… but I guess in the long run with more competition everybody will offer that
Hey !
If you travel in Scandinavia, I am positive you’d have a better experience. Cash is almost extinct, and credit cards are accepted at almost all DC chargers :) For the remaining chargers, I’d guess apps like Chargemap would get the job done. Good luck !
Its also very difficult to Charge in Europa as a European .... thats why i drive an Tesla.
Not having a credit card reader is ridiculous… I would imagine with the Tesla you could just plug in like normal
lol maaaybe you should've planned the chargers?
28:05 What do you get when you cross a cricket with a dentist's drill? 😋
Why not put a German sim in your cell? That should solve your problems. I have one in my cell for when I am in the USA. Works perfectly.
Besides not using roaming is much cheaper.
Exactly just buy a loadable sim and you are good to go. They are common in Europe. Of course it helps to have a phone with a dual sim.
I’m guessing his iPhone is registered in the US so will only be able to download apps from the US AppStore?? I suspect it’s nothing related to the actual data network……
SIM doesn't matter for your store account region. Simply creating a second store account in an European country and downloading the apps with that is the solution, both can be active at the same time on a single phone.
Um, it’s about 400 KM to Graz
i want a honda e SOOO BAD
Rent it in France at Sixt, it's a total bargain!
Some of these countries are so beautiful that the government should charge its citizens a scenic tax
Why not install smatrics app on your euro phone?
Where is the europe id3 video?
Liverwurst? Really? Never heard of that? Goodness.
Charging has to be as easy as getting gas. There is nothing more to it, it needs to be better.
Looks a lot like a Hyundai Kona from the outside to me.
In Austria and surprised they have RedBull.... Kyle, it's an Austrian company.
With plugsurfing you likely pay roaming prices and a fee to plugsurfing... its a rip off at many places.
Yes, typically +15% with Plugsurfing. Though many of the European EV makers who are partners in Ionity offers subscriptions through Plugsurfing, typically free 1 year with new cars, that gives a much reduced rate at Ionity and slightly higher fixed rate at all other fast chargers. For example Audi owners can then charge at Ionity in Austria for 0.31 EUR/kWh vs. normal price 0.79 EUR/kWh through Ionity and 0.87 EUR/kWh with Plugsurfing without subscription.
Only aapple problem. Android has no problem with german Apps
Where's Alyssa?
Alyssa will be in the next video!
Oh man that map screen looks like it’s from 2005 😳. Why do car manufacturers skimp on the one tech you use multiple times a day. Even Audi seems to have low budget screen tech. Tesla on the other hand 😏
Try to use the net battery size Kyle please, it's 58kWh pack in ID.3 mid-size pack same as in Seat Cupra Born.
So even the ccs plug is different in Europe than in America? That's silly.
Not really... it's not like you're gonna get cars moving between the two.
@@AA-lc6yi And even if you do, there should be replacement parts for the other system available for most brands.
CCS is an addon to the AC plug.
The power grids are very different in the US (2-phase 115V combined into single phase 230V) and Europe (3-phase 230V), so the AC plug evolved differently (Type 1 vs. Type 2). Of course the US could just switch over to Type 2 (and just populate only one phase pin).
50€? You just paid about $80to charge😄
Bargain…the e-tron guy needs to pay his debts for the e-tron somehow 😎
Enbw and alego in Germany best
Plugsurf ?
Your app problem seems to be an Apple problem. Most user-unfriendly company.
That guy in the Audi was an a-hole.. Normally europeans are nice enough to just let you charge.
There are idiots everywhere.
@@DanRyzESPUK Amen..
So you are fine with just giving away 20 euro to people? Can I send you my IBAN? I would like approx 25 for charging my Opel Mokka e tomorrow, to 100% (norway) 😂
@@rotojo2 I wouldn't mind if someone wasn't aware of how things worked. thats is absolutely true. Try and be nice to someone at not worry about 20 euro, it might suit you.
So much easier to travel in a Tesla.
so much easier to travel in a brand new MAZDA 3 ! Comfort, speed, luxury, and 7 minutes at the gas station.
2 things I can't stand... 1. People intolerable of other peoples culture......and 2. the Dutch--Nigel Powers, International man of Mystery
Looked like Bologna
Kyle looks a bit cramped in the driver seat -- a bit of "knees in the armpits." Perhaps just the camera angle, but....
It's not cramped. I'm 6ft 4 and drive one with ease.
I know that you review cars but such an American way to travel when the train between Munich and Graz probably would've been faster and less expensive. USA is so large, hard to make rail service available to the masses like it is in Europe.
This channel is an EV roadtrip channel 😄
With any luck you'll end up in Norway too. Hey will you meet up with Teslabjørn, or would that be like crossing the streams..
It’s literally their job, they won’t get paid for a train trip😂
@@OutofSpecMotoring Well, trains over here are electric and a rail-road is a road as well ;-)
Having time to take naps and hang at the Burger King but not 2 minutes to clean the windshield! Slack video production standards detract tremendously from the enjoyability of your channel.
electric cars... hhhhh.......😁
Kyle, $60 dollars US to charge. You got screwed, glued and tattooed by the Etron driver . Typical Audi driver. 19:10
You do know the soap factory was a human waste processing facility ( feces) for many years.
It can actually be almost that expensive to charge in Europe, though this was one of the cheapest places at 0.29 EUR per minute. The closest 150kW charger costs 0.73 EUR/kWh with Plugsurfing, which would be over 50 EUR to fully charge an e-tron.
It always irritates me when people "review" cars when they have made no preparation whatsoever. To go to another country with a phone you can't even use and just wing it rather than check your options first because any minimal amount of preparation is regarded as "cheating" just totally invalidates this video. This isn't how anyone drives around a foreign country they've never been to. This isn't how anyone drives on home territory, regardless of drive chain. People PLAN for trips to unfamiliar places. That includes knowing which chargers are compatible with the charge card you decided to use as opposed to just stopping any old place and hoping to get lucky. At least they drive on the same side of the road as Americans, so that's one thing you didn't need to prepare for.
Not our country - so let's break the rules...unsubscribed
There are too many mediocre electric cars on the market.
there are too many mediocre youtube commenters
@@ursodermatt8809 he may be mediocre, but he’s not wrong.
@@alexnutcasio936 I wouldn't even call what he was driving mediocre. Worse. That UI for the map is just bad. VW's isn't much better.
Honestly if you want to own an EV in Europe and you want to drive more than just your daily commute, Tesla is your only viable option at this moment.
@@mu5mu595 I’d have to agree, technologically Tesla is so far ahead in battery management and technology.Their UI is strong. Charging network is second to none. Having to figure out when or where to charge is never an issue. Bjorn would agree.
Can’t believe anyone would buy this foreign garbage instead of a Tesla 🤣
Another Tesla fanboy displaying his lack of logic: What do you mean 'foreign' - they are in Germany and it's a german brand..... and I don't think it's coming to the US - I assume you live in the US (don't ask me how I know that) 🤣🤣
Why would I pay €15k or €20k more for a car when this suits all my needs? I don´t want an Ipad on wheels, thanks.
@@robertkempe2730 Because he used the term "foreign" for a car that is native to the market is in. American thinking in a nutshell!
Why are driving that piece of crap.
Because it's there
Not everybody wants to drive a Tesla Doc!
Its moka not mooka. You say it as if there are two kk's and short o
Mokka 🙃
Just post more vids already damn🤬