Before retiring and moving to a flat with no room for my extensive collection, or loft for the layout, I had one of the original Mainline Collet Goods in the lined BR Green like yours (marketed as 'by Palitoy'). Back then, they were so much ahead of the competition. Their painting was so much better, as was the detail, and to see daylight under the boiler where many competitors still had part of the body moulding was incredible. I bought quite a few models at the time because my local retailer was closing down and selling all stock at half the marked price. Although I can't remember what I paid for it at the time, I also bought a BR experimental livery ex-LMS Patriot Class for a ridiculously cheap £13 (half the £26 it was originally marked up at), so you can only imagine how little I paid for the Collet! If my memory is correct, I think that I paid £7.50 for a J72 (Joem) at the same time.
Hi Sam. The tender on the ‘newer’ version is a ROD ( Railway Operations Department) tender. Some collett goods had these to increase fuel capacity after the war. I believe the real tenders originated from a Great Central design.
Correct - the ROD's (Robinson GCR heavy goods locos, built as a WD standard in the Great War) were sold off cheaply - very cheaply - afterwards. I think the GWR bought 100, brought 50 up to their spec with Swindon standard fittings such as safety valves, and dismantled the others as 'spares' for what was an otherwise non-standard type. The tenders in particular went behind anything that needed one - Collett goods and some Aberdares received them. As Bachmann have a mould for a Robinson tender its a good change.
@@alanfbrookes9771hardly a "marketing error" - the 2251 class ran with several different tender types during their lifetimes, and at no time was the whole class running with identical tenders. You only have to look up photos of them to see that.
Mainline did so much to revolutionise rtr models! Glad to see the version with the better mechanism though. If mainline were still around, I wonder what they could do to again revolutionise detail in rtr. Lovely video Sam!
Love these little fellas. I have a Mainline one. Pity they never got names as they really were « Baby Castles ». I believe the tender is a ROD tender as used on WD locos during WW2 rather than a GWR tender as with the Mainline version.
I think this'll show just how long I've been watching but I still remember when you first got this and every now and again I remember that you have and wonder when you'll review. Glad to see it finally done.
My brother and me cabbed 3210 at the S&D Highbridge station in 63, from then on this engine was always my favourite ex GWR engine, there was 11 shedded on the S&D network, 7 Templecombe , 4 Highbridge , still a nice model and they run well...all my locos, including this one are DCC sound and crawl very nicely .....the later models do have a painted backhead ...they always came in as baby Castles..by the Swindon men...
Hi Sam. Just an FYI: Accurascale have just announced a new Pannier Tank in their line (OO scale, of course.) According to their video (here on RUclips), it’ll have quite a lot of cab detail, lit firebox, and class-specific window glazing, among others. It remains to see how much it’ll cost. And, yes, I suspect it has sprung buffers, so Sam can get his jollies. 😆
Hi Sam, I had this as a Mainline model back in the day and I was amazed with the wire handrails! It was a BR lined black version and my first ever tender locomotive, which I traded in at Hattons only last year. I think it gained more in value than some more conventional commodities! It's clearly showing its age now and we could do with a retooling of this locomotive. Cheers as always.
Thanks for another great review Sam. I am a big fan and I believe I emailed a picture for the wall of fame on the 24th November. Thanks for another cool video Sam!.
I may be wrong but seem to recall Bachmann did a Collett Goods in early 00’s and marketed under their “Blue Riband” name…..in fact I believe this was the first loco under the “Blue Riband” banner. The tender is a “Robinson” tender which I think came off ex Great Central 2-8-0 freight locos that the GWR imported ti their system for a while.
Hi Sam, I have a Bachmann 2251 Collett Goods in GWR green unlined with what I presume a Collett tender, 32-304A (2016) which I DCC sound fitted, I put the decoder in the tender and the speaker in the loco under the funnel and bored out the funnel to allow some sound to be emitted, Was a little tricky putting 6 wires between loco and tender and permanently coupled loco to Tender and hope to fit pick-ups in the future, although it runs perfectly well as is.
Fantastic video Sam, it's a shame Bachmann didn't do well on this, though I do love the BR black on these! Hopefully Accura or someone announces a decent model of one!
Just come across this video, and ive got a mainline one of these ,and fantastic they are ,i would say that tender on the bachmann one is a ex ROD one , as ive actually worked on a real one we had at Brighton in the 1980s that had been used as a Diesel loco sludge tank at Bristol Bath road motive power depot ,and so looks like one to me.
End of the year showcase of Sam's shed - some rests from past, some blasts from the past (like the recent, still gorgeous review of SECR C. Always nice to have some comparison on how far had the hobby gone in X years since these were new. To be fair there are cases when 4 decade spanning vehicle productions were a thing, tho the updates were probably quite substantial for likes of Mini, Tatra 77 (that one was sold under whole different brand). ahh yes hornby found moldly molds and decided to bring back a throwback... cost saving measure and all
If you look closely at the loco number on the Bachmann it has been printed in the wrong location as there is a rivet within the number plate, there is a gap in the riveting just above, where the number should be. Or the put the rivet in the wrong place. Love the channel 😀
Another interesting review. I have 3212 and have weathered it down, which has lessened the seam on the boiler, and added sound. It now looks the part and performs well with either a B set or wagons.
Great review Sam. I have four of these. All 3205 on the South Devon Railway in various liveries (all green as the owner doesn’t like black!) I’ve also got an Oxford Dean Goods with sound. If it ever reaches the top of the to-do list I’m going to put a detailed Collett body on the chassis. But I’m really hoping Accurascale or Rapido will come to my rescue 😁🙏🏻
From pictures I found, both types of tenders were used, but for the black one you're reviewing, I've just seen a Bachmann Collect Class (2251) with the smaller tender. The cab is the detailed one. The one in the review I found, they also mention that the seem line is noticeable.
Great Review Sam. I really like this Type of Detail comparison, makes it easier to upgrade ( or Not..!) That Parting line across the top of the Body/Boiler is just unforgivable. As a Modeller at Heart, I would be working hard to remove that in anything I produce. And Before painting that would NOT be that hard to Remove. It shows a Total disregard for the Finished article and Customer..! IMHO..! Obviously 'Quality Control' Was in the Bin with this models Bodywork finish..! 😢 Thanks for your Efforts in Making this Retrospective Review. Brilliant Work..! Cheers Kim in Oz. 😎
The tender is from ROD locos (LNER 04) the GWR Purchased after WW1. They where fitted to number of GWR locos to extend the range over the smaller Collett tenders. The early versions of Bachmann was the best. It had sprung buffers and better moulding.
It's a nice idea Sam to compare older models as a lot of us have to rely on the s/h market to add depth to our layouts - I would say however that you should make special mention of the potential issues with Mainline and early Bachmann split chassis models such as difficult motor strip down and wheel insulating bushes cracking (resulting in mis-aligned wheel sets). Also converting these motors to DCC whilst not impossible is a difficult task.
One would hope that one manufacturer is retooling this quite common GWR loco. Accurascale, Bachmann, Dapol and Hornby have an appropriate Collett 3500g tender to pair it with plus Dapol and Accurascale would benefit by tooling a 4000g tender too as these ran with the Manors as well
Loving the comparison to older versions and the review of an older model. New is great but 00 gauge has a massive back catalog of older models that may suit someone's need and desire every bit as a new model but perhaps for less money. More like this please!
Great video! I will say I have both a Bachmann and Replica Railways version of this model, and I love them. They really are quite lovely locos to look at, and I do hope we see a new tooled model, because they regularly served in rural areas of Wales and the South West, and as I say look brilliant. Personally I would say I prefer the Bachmann model due to the mechanism, but overall a new tooled model would be much more desirable.
Great review. Thanks. Love the comparison and the vision changing from Mainline to Bachmann and vv. Really works to make your points. Comparing your current reviews to your very early ones shows remarkable growth which Bachmann could try to emulate with their models. Wow! The PCC Streetcar ranks below(!) the Bradford Abomination. Pity the search function on my version of RUclips cannot find the review as it must be a real hoot, with plenty of Bachmann opportunities. Sam, can you please put it back up if it has been taken off YT?
I have a Bachmann Collett Goods and I really enjoy it. I got it for a much more reasonable price than what the current models with superfluous details go for, and its performance has been consistently faultless, even without tender pick ups. The loco-tender coupling can be annoying at times, but given it came out of the box intact, it looks good, and runs well with whatever, it puts quite a few of my newer models to shame, especially considering controversies like the "Hornby faulty motor saga", as- regardless of their flaws- in the past models were expected to work without question, whereas now it's a game of roulette to see if you got a good one.
I managed to get the original Mainline version in BR black off eBay recently for around $40. My BR lined black version has etched 2251 number plates, lamps added by the previous owner, brake pipes fitted, hooks without chains, clay packed into the tender which I dug out, modified close-coupling drawbar, and peeling front number board. I was looking for a GWR or LMS loco about that size to be my first British OO loco. Mine also has a less jarring seam line and a better fit around the chimney and safety valve bonnet
Interesting review. I have an old Mainline Collet which I think I brought back in the 1980s. Clearly has limitations but is something of a favourite. Seems to need minimal maintenance and runs regularly and well. Not bad for a 40 year old girl!
Hi Sam - in defence of the Bachmann model - it was I think a full re-tool for 1998, as one of the first “Blue Ribbon” versions, so you are judging a new in 1998, not 35/40 year-old one. It did come in BR lined green (which I have and looks gorgeous!) in two versions. As to moulded cabside numbers, almost no-one does this - understandably when you think of the extra tooling cost. The main drawback is the dreadful moulding line along the top of the body. The cab though is much more prototypical than its Mainline predecessor. It would be nice if re-tooled again, or (as others have suggested) it was offered as a budget starter model - no chance of this in current market conditions, I guess.
Hi Sam. Good idea to review Bachmann back to the future releases! I am not sure that these re-issues are re-use of old toolings or complete new toolings. It seems funny that the older model should have less of a moulding line along the boiler than the new one, unless it is a different tooling. I have found that with Wrenn and the earlier Hornby Dublo issues of what is superficially the same loco turns out not to be the same tooling. It is often said newer releases re-use the old tooling, but it maybe that the manufacturer cannot do this with some models? A use of old toolings by Bachmann I have noticed is in the USA Thomas range where old Replica Railways items have been re-issued for an extoriionate price! They claim it is HO scale, but it ain't. That's another video for you to make. Thanks for uploading.
The tender you have is actually a Great Central design! I will explain… After WW1, the GWR bought around 100 examples of a 2-8-0 war department design which was a carbon copy of the GCRs 8K class, heavy freight loco design by JG Robinson. However the GWR didn’t plan on keeping tall of them for the long term and a significant number in the worst condition were scrapped early during GWR ownership. However while the locos may have been poor the GWR decided the tenders were in a better condition so went and attached some of the better examples to the newly built ‘Collett Goods’ 0-6-0 locos. Now when Bachmann launched their newly tooled loco and body of the Collett Goods back in 1996, it reused the standard Collet tender they inherited from the mainline range - but in 2010 Bachmann released a brand new GCR 04 class model and immediately revised the potential to offer the Collett Goods with the 04s tender thus replicating what the real GWR did in the 1930s… Hence the somewhat odd coupling system which is effectively bodging together two different models designed over 10 years apart. The ex ROD tender being design to hold not only a decoder ad speaker but also being intended to be coupled to a 2-8-0 means that even a lack of pickups isn’t quite as bad as it seems. The Collett goods meanwhile had no alterations made to it and moreover needed to retain compatibility with the ex mainline tender it used was sometimes issued with.
Funny story Sam, I actually have 3 of these and only 1 of them works. I'm still trying to fix both of them, but my GWR green one still runs great. Cheers Jasper & Willow
My one of these played up a while ago, so much that it smoked and I thought it was toast. However, the problem was the not uncommon one of grease stopping the motor turning the gears. It has survived. Your Mainline one does look smart but I suspect it has the infamous plastic insulators!
I have the old Mainline model. It was one of my first Mainline locos. Now I own three: The Royal Scot in the crimson, the J72 in LNER green and the Collett Goods in GWR green. Funnily enough, my Collett runs very poorly, despite me giving it the most attention. I kinda like it, but if you find one today (which is most likely more than 50£), we have a problem here. I'd stick with the Mainline, as even though mine is not that great of a runner, it has its charme. The GWR green may not have any lining, but it still has some character. This modern Bachmann version though doesn't cut it for me. Unless you're a DCC user, I can't find a good reason to buy this "new" model. I have seen a listing on the Hattons directory that there was a BR lined green but I haven't seen one myself. Also, please do some more older locos for reviews. It's quite interesting (and sometimes amusing) to see what the last decade or two brought to the table. Great review, Sam.
another informative review, weirdly im building a wills whitemetal 2251 class body onto an old triang 0-6-0 chassis atm. Was nice to compare what im building to this one.
I had two of these little engines when they first came out, and liked them very much. They were very good for 40 years ago, but the split axle insulation muffs were their Achilles heel, as for so many Mainline models. Oddly, the driving wheels never looked big enough to me - the 'baby Castles' had quite large diameter drivers in photos (|Some, I believe came off scrapped Dean Goods engines) and the model seemed a little on the small size. This could, of course be due to my eyesight!
Reviewing older models is a very welcomed variation Sam. Not B's best back then unfortunately, and evidently very old, worn, body tooling as it seems, poorly executed for 2011 and pretty much very underwhelming for the time..., BUT you also have to consider its very low price of course, although it's hard for us to compare what the norm in OO was at that price point, us being on the continent. However, we are under the impression that £50 (equivalent to 2011's ~€ 57) was at near rock bottom budget level for a steamer, but should we stand corrected, we'd love to here it. From a distance, she's not too bad in our mind, certainly for that 2011 money. She makes an interesting project loco as well (further detailing, improvements). Cheerio.
I have a mainline pannier, the motor burnt out after a while, so I will just probably replace it with a modern chassis when I am bothered. The detail mainline had for the time is quite impressive!
You could try an Oxford Dean Goods chassis. You can get a sound fitted one and then adapt the body to fit. I’m hoping Accurascale or Rapido will bring out one and save me before I get that project to the top of my list.
On the body swap. I tried this with a Mainline/Bachmann J72 and the Mainline body didn't sit on the Bachmann chassis properly, despite the body/chassis being almost indentical. Turns out the rear coupling hook on the Bachmann was a bit thicker than the Mainline. Might work with this one, but I'd bet there's some tiny difference that prevents it working.
I have 2253 in weathered early crest black from 2009. It is exactly the same as yours, with the churchward tender, but because of the weathering, I can't just file down the awful seam line on the top of the boiler. Also due to its 6 wheel pickup, it isn't very reliable when DCC fitted, and it is a rather noisy runner too.
just wondering if you're planning on reviewing the kernow steam rail motor when it comes out. been watching it for progress for a while and they've put out an expected delivery and finalised price now. should be first quarter 2024. look so nice but so expensive too!
EDIT The following statements are most likely wrong but I have left it as originally posted for context! Alas, again made a slip up in your research a models history. Although it is true Mainline did produce a Collett Goods the body was NOT reused! In 1996 Bachmann started releasing what they called their ‘Blue Riband’ range of locos with brand new tooling for bodies as well - not just mechanisms and the Collett goods was just one such loco* (though they did re-use the mainline tender hence the retention of the huge hook on the loco as a coupling device. EDIT - the following is still accurate! Granted that still makes the body 38 tooling years old by now - and as you noted the chassis got a revamp to fit a DCC decoder around 2012 - but that’s not the totally positive development you might think as it involved removing a huge chunk of the die cast chassis and massively reducing its pulling performance and this is why it weighs so much less than the mainline version. A Collett goods from 2007 say would most likely weigh more or less the same as the mainline version. * The SR N class was another mid 1990s ‘Blue Riband’ release.
I have the Mainline version it ran like a bag of spanners but I changed the chassis for the slightly later Replica Railways chassis and that is a better chassis. I may look out for a Bachmann chassis at some point and update it to that.
I still love these Collett goods despite model companies neglecting it somewhat. Please can a manufacturer produce one in O gauge! It would be an excellent entry level tender engine.
Great review Sam. Last comment "quite surprising it's not much better"... It's not really though it's it! I remember the prototype from my youth at the SVR so I've always been interested in these. I got 32-304a which is gwr with city class tender, looks much better than that ugly ROD tender which is far too big in my opinion. Mine has sprung buffers and cab pipe work is painted, as is copper chimney. So B have done a bit off work on then since making this one. This would be a great prototype for Dapol to pick up, to complement all their other smallish GWR models. They picked the 28xx instead, where the competition from Hornby is much stronger
I rather like your reviews of older models. Adds variety and also, as I tend to be looking more and more to the second hand market your reviews are quite handy 🙂. If Bachmann produced old models in a range that was equivelent to Hornby's Railroad range, at a decent price that might be a good thing.
Thanks Piers - I really enjoy looking back at the older models too... lets us appreciate what we have today if nothing else! Glad to hear that - while the axles hold together, those split chassis locos do run excellently! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This has been an interesting look into Bachmann/Mainline history, much appreciated. On a different note, will there be a member’s stream this month? I haven’t heard anything…
Mainline were kind of the Accurascale of their time. They really shook up British outline model railways, producing models that were cheaper and more detailed than what was available at the time.
Hi Sam! A little off topic but I'm restoring a Triang 08 Class shunter. I need to replace the capacitor. What kind of capacitor should I use for a model that's got a motor that operates on 12V. Thx Sam!
Bachmann could make a killing if they just offered some budget options like this at 50 quid. I'd buy it, but we know it would be at least 100. I've got a mainline warship and that's it from mainline, perhaps I need more :)
I guess you can add another test in the performance category: How well it gets over points without stalling or loss of power at it's minimum speed. I'd also wonder if you could produce and sell "performance kits" for locos that could stand to have mechanical electrical improvements done to them as well as add inconspicuous weights to the powered units, as a side gig💰
An interesting review with a few inaccuracies and lack of prototype understanding I was one of those at the age of hmm maybe at the age of 13 14 ish recived a new mainline collett 3210 i loved it Fast forward i have a bachmann set with a Collett in BR Lined green western rambler its called runs nice and looks good What sam has there is the Collett goods attached to the GCR /ROD 2 8 0 tender .. a tender that was heavier than the loco ..yes the GWR did do this and i know the last surving collett goods 3205 has an ROD tender stashed away somewhere to do this So bachmann to put new life into a new model have done what the GWR .. the problem is... the loco body is years old ( the mould lines give that away ) the chassis has been revamped and the ROD tender was drawn up years later for the bachmann ROD 2 8 0 model The GCR built loads of these 2 8 0s and during the was they were used by many other railways the GWR being one of them at the end the GWR bought them for £100.. overhauled them and westernised...scrap the loco you sill have a usefull tender
Great video Sam, well produced and crisp as always. That being said whilst there are points which we can absolutly agree on, I think we should just bare in mind, as you pointed out, how old this model is. Comparing it to 2023/24 standards is like comparing my 2011 plated car to my parents 2023 plated car. The finess, detail and features are going to be miles off. Production is always going to be a sticking point and the seam line is no exception for a 2023 model, however, for a model in bachmanns catalogue in 2011/12 with an rrp of £73.80, would seem to suggest they weren't making much on them expecially given the re tooling. I think we can forgive them on this considereing if it was brought back into the range, you would be looking at close to £200 which is more unacceptable than a seam line. Just a thought. They do say opinions are like .... everyones got one so take it with a pinch of salt. As always keep up the good work and I look forward to the next videos! 👍🏼👌🏼 (maybe the another look at the voyager where you can compare a 2001 tooling project to a 2023/24 standards 😉)
As a prototype I actually rather like these neat 0-6-0 goods engines but as usual Sam's review has exposed some flaws in the model. One thing that struck me on the closeup is the lamp brackets on the front buffer beam...I thought they'd been moulded or glued on sideways by looking at pics of the real thing this arragement does seem to be accurate even if the moulding is a bit crude. 😁
the tender, btw is an ex GCR item I think, from an 04 class 2-8-0 or something similar. Think we have the Railway Operating Division, ROD to thank for that. As an aside I think these GCR style tenders also ran with V2 2-6-2s in a few cases as well.
Hi Sam, how can I stop my model train's wheels from locking up? Is it oil I use or is it something else? And I'm only just getting into model train's. From: engine 65
I don’t actually think this is too bad, as it runs well, and in my opinion doesn’t look too hideous as long as you don’t look super close. If Bachmann were to bring it back for around £60-70, then I think it would be a great budget model. On the flip side, they could also retool i5 and make a great model, so long as they keep the price reasonable.
Glad I got a small prairie instead of this! Also could you review the bachmann 57xx class (updated)? I have 2 and would like to know your opinion of them :)
This is my all-time favourite locomotive. I have now retired from the hobby due to poor eyesight and have sold off all of my railway, except that I kept one of the original line black Mainline Collerrs. I have always loved this engine I kept it for purely sentimental reasons. At one time I owned three of these locomotives. It pains me that you consider it to be such a poor model, but I cannot deny it wasn’t Bachmann finest hour. I would love to see a new model
I had a bachmann 57xx which couldn’t crawl much like the Collett Goods 🤔 However a more recent 8750 pannier can crawl, wondering what they changed to achieve this.
@@marknicholson2281 I had a DCC fitted 57xx and it replicated this Collett goods, no crawl and would moved after speed step 6/7 son my Dynamis. Wonder if they changed the motors also after this date.
@@Hooterton_Model_Railway you may have some other fault? Motor or gearbox maybe. All mine run well on my NCE. I’ve hardwired the older ones after a full service. The grease was almost solid in one of them iirc. Re the speed steps, it sounds like you may need to change the CVs. I couldn’t do that on my old Dynamis, but you may be able to do on yours if it’s a Ultra version ( I believe).
Plain black is by my favourite livery for locos, hands down. It lets one appreciate the design and features (and also shows up any horrible seam lines- due to a knackered set of moulds I guess?) so much better than all the colours and lining. If it's weathered too so much the better. If it isn't it will be if I have any say. Lined green is so meh compared to black. I have the same attitude to my cars. Black all the way, and no lining lol. The model actually looks quite nice with the ROD tender, I must get one, I can always take my scalpel to the boiler moulding line... thanks for the reminder :) PS do NOT bother with the Mainline version - the Bachmann version is so worth the extra twenty quid - DCC ready, much better chassis and wheels, detail etc....
Thanks for sharing! Yeah I can see the attraction of plain black... but you can't hide a shoddy loco with such a plain livery! Yeah I think the tools will be knackered, hence the poor moulding. Ahh blacks a bit different with cars... I'm with you there! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, I think i found the odd one out, it's the GWR 64xx, hopefully I got that right.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Well done! It is indeed :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Before retiring and moving to a flat with no room for my extensive collection, or loft for the layout, I had one of the original Mainline Collet Goods in the lined BR Green like yours (marketed as 'by Palitoy').
Back then, they were so much ahead of the competition. Their painting was so much better, as was the detail, and to see daylight under the boiler where many competitors still had part of the body moulding was incredible.
I bought quite a few models at the time because my local retailer was closing down and selling all stock at half the marked price.
Although I can't remember what I paid for it at the time, I also bought a BR experimental livery ex-LMS Patriot Class for a ridiculously cheap £13 (half the £26 it was originally marked up at), so you can only imagine how little I paid for the Collet!
If my memory is correct, I think that I paid £7.50 for a J72 (Joem) at the same time.
I agree. I have a beautiful mainline jubilee class which I have put figures and painted dials in the cab. I think it passes as an accurascale 😮😊
Hi Sam. The tender on the ‘newer’ version is a ROD ( Railway Operations Department) tender. Some collett goods had these to increase fuel capacity after the war. I believe the real tenders originated from a Great Central design.
Correct - the ROD's (Robinson GCR heavy goods locos, built as a WD standard in the Great War) were sold off cheaply - very cheaply - afterwards. I think the GWR bought 100, brought 50 up to their spec with Swindon standard fittings such as safety valves, and dismantled the others as 'spares' for what was an otherwise non-standard type. The tenders in particular went behind anything that needed one - Collett goods and some Aberdares received them. As Bachmann have a mould for a Robinson tender its a good change.
Yes they were indeed Great Central designs. They were designed by Robinson who also designed the 2-8-0 ROD loco motive "04" class.
Since the majority did not run with the ROD tender I think it was a marketting error for Bachmann to model a version that was not standard.
@@alanfbrookes9771hardly a "marketing error" - the 2251 class ran with several different tender types during their lifetimes, and at no time was the whole class running with identical tenders. You only have to look up photos of them to see that.
Mainline did so much to revolutionise rtr models! Glad to see the version with the better mechanism though. If mainline were still around, I wonder what they could do to again revolutionise detail in rtr. Lovely video Sam!
They sure did - it's hard to appreciate how far ahead they were looking back, but they sure were!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got a mainline one for Christmas about 30 years ago. Still have it in my collection. It’s a beautiful little model. Great video Sam.
Love these little fellas. I have a Mainline one. Pity they never got names as they really were « Baby Castles ».
I believe the tender is a ROD tender as used on WD locos during WW2 rather than a GWR tender as with the Mainline version.
Yeah, the Mainline ones are very decent! Names would have been fantastic!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Can you do the review of the bluebell P class from Hattons on Saturday?
I think this'll show just how long I've been watching but I still remember when you first got this and every now and again I remember that you have and wonder when you'll review. Glad to see it finally done.
My brother and me cabbed 3210 at the S&D Highbridge station in 63, from then on this engine was always my favourite ex GWR engine, there was 11 shedded on the S&D network, 7 Templecombe , 4 Highbridge , still a nice model and they run well...all my locos, including this one are DCC sound and crawl very nicely .....the later models do have a painted backhead ...they always came in as baby Castles..by the Swindon men...
Hi Sam. Just an FYI: Accurascale have just announced a new Pannier Tank in their line (OO scale, of course.) According to their video (here on RUclips), it’ll have quite a lot of cab detail, lit firebox, and class-specific window glazing, among others. It remains to see how much it’ll cost. And, yes, I suspect it has sprung buffers, so Sam can get his jollies. 😆
Hi Sam, I had this as a Mainline model back in the day and I was amazed with the wire handrails! It was a BR lined black version and my first ever tender locomotive, which I traded in at Hattons only last year. I think it gained more in value than some more conventional commodities! It's clearly showing its age now and we could do with a retooling of this locomotive. Cheers as always.
Thanks for another great review Sam. I am a big fan and I believe I emailed a picture for the wall of fame on the 24th November. Thanks for another cool video Sam!.
I may be wrong but seem to recall Bachmann did a Collett Goods in early 00’s and marketed under their “Blue Riband” name…..in fact I believe this was the first loco under the “Blue Riband” banner. The tender is a “Robinson” tender which I think came off ex Great Central 2-8-0 freight locos that the GWR imported ti their system for a while.
Hi Sam, I have a Bachmann 2251 Collett Goods in GWR green unlined with what I presume a Collett tender, 32-304A (2016) which I DCC sound fitted, I put the decoder in the tender and the speaker in the loco under the funnel and bored out the funnel to allow some sound to be emitted, Was a little tricky putting 6 wires between loco and tender and permanently coupled loco to Tender and hope to fit pick-ups in the future, although it runs perfectly well as is.
Fantastic video Sam, it's a shame Bachmann didn't do well on this, though I do love the BR black on these! Hopefully Accura or someone announces a decent model of one!
Thank you! Yeah definitely... I'd love a modern version of this in the early livery :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Just come across this video, and ive got a mainline one of these ,and fantastic they are ,i would say that tender on the bachmann one is a ex ROD one , as ive actually worked on a real one we had at Brighton in the 1980s that had been used as a Diesel loco sludge tank at Bristol Bath road motive power depot ,and so looks like one to me.
End of the year showcase of Sam's shed - some rests from past, some blasts from the past (like the recent, still gorgeous review of SECR C.
Always nice to have some comparison on how far had the hobby gone in X years since these were new.
To be fair there are cases when 4 decade spanning vehicle productions were a thing, tho the updates were probably quite substantial for likes of Mini, Tatra 77 (that one was sold under whole different brand).
ahh yes hornby found moldly molds and decided to bring back a throwback... cost saving measure and all
If you look closely at the loco number on the Bachmann it has been printed in the wrong location as there is a rivet within the number plate, there is a gap in the riveting just above, where the number should be. Or the put the rivet in the wrong place.
Love the channel 😀
Another interesting review. I have 3212 and have weathered it down, which has lessened the seam on the boiler, and added sound. It now looks the part and performs well with either a B set or wagons.
Great review Sam. I have four of these. All 3205 on the South Devon Railway in various liveries (all green as the owner doesn’t like black!)
I’ve also got an Oxford Dean Goods with sound. If it ever reaches the top of the to-do list I’m going to put a detailed Collett body on the chassis.
But I’m really hoping Accurascale or Rapido will come to my rescue 😁🙏🏻
Looks fantastic my friend. It looks cool. It runs nice. They both look nice. Keep being awesome my friend. I still have to see when my train is coming
From pictures I found, both types of tenders were used, but for the black one you're reviewing, I've just seen a Bachmann Collect Class (2251) with the smaller tender. The cab is the detailed one.
The one in the review I found, they also mention that the seem line is noticeable.
Great Review Sam. I really like this Type of Detail comparison, makes it easier to upgrade ( or Not..!)
That Parting line across the top of the Body/Boiler is just unforgivable.
As a Modeller at Heart, I would be working hard to remove that in anything I produce.
And Before painting that would NOT be that hard to Remove.
It shows a Total disregard for the Finished article and Customer..! IMHO..!
Obviously 'Quality Control' Was in the Bin with this models Bodywork finish..! 😢
Thanks for your Efforts in Making this Retrospective Review.
Brilliant Work..!
Cheers Kim in Oz. 😎
The tender is from ROD locos (LNER 04) the GWR Purchased after WW1. They where fitted to number of GWR locos to extend the range over the smaller Collett tenders.
The early versions of Bachmann was the best. It had sprung buffers and better moulding.
Great filmatography Sam. Really noticeable in those close comparisons of the two locos. Owning it Buddy. 👍🏻
So amazing review sam, great job!
Thanks Justin! :D
It's a nice idea Sam to compare older models as a lot of us have to rely on the s/h market to add depth to our layouts - I would say however that you should make special mention of the potential issues with Mainline and early Bachmann split chassis models such as difficult motor strip down and wheel insulating bushes cracking (resulting in mis-aligned wheel sets). Also converting these motors to DCC whilst not impossible is a difficult task.
One would hope that one manufacturer is retooling this quite common GWR loco. Accurascale, Bachmann, Dapol and Hornby have an appropriate Collett 3500g tender to pair it with plus Dapol and Accurascale would benefit by tooling a 4000g tender too as these ran with the Manors as well
Loving the comparison to older versions and the review of an older model. New is great but 00 gauge has a massive back catalog of older models that may suit someone's need and desire every bit as a new model but perhaps for less money. More like this please!
Great video! I will say I have both a Bachmann and Replica Railways version of this model, and I love them. They really are quite lovely locos to look at, and I do hope we see a new tooled model, because they regularly served in rural areas of Wales and the South West, and as I say look brilliant.
Personally I would say I prefer the Bachmann model due to the mechanism, but overall a new tooled model would be much more desirable.
Great review. Thanks. Love the comparison and the vision changing from Mainline to Bachmann and vv. Really works to make your points.
Comparing your current reviews to your very early ones shows remarkable growth which Bachmann could try to emulate with their models.
Wow! The PCC Streetcar ranks below(!) the Bradford Abomination.
Pity the search function on my version of RUclips cannot find the review as it must be a real hoot, with plenty of Bachmann opportunities.
Sam, can you please put it back up if it has been taken off YT?
I have a Bachmann Collett Goods and I really enjoy it. I got it for a much more reasonable price than what the current models with superfluous details go for, and its performance has been consistently faultless, even without tender pick ups. The loco-tender coupling can be annoying at times, but given it came out of the box intact, it looks good, and runs well with whatever, it puts quite a few of my newer models to shame, especially considering controversies like the "Hornby faulty motor saga", as- regardless of their flaws- in the past models were expected to work without question, whereas now it's a game of roulette to see if you got a good one.
I managed to get the original Mainline version in BR black off eBay recently for around $40. My BR lined black version has etched 2251 number plates, lamps added by the previous owner, brake pipes fitted, hooks without chains, clay packed into the tender which I dug out, modified close-coupling drawbar, and peeling front number board. I was looking for a GWR or LMS loco about that size to be my first British OO loco.
Mine also has a less jarring seam line and a better fit around the chimney and safety valve bonnet
In my opinion it looks incredibly beautiful
haha maybe from a distance ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
One of my favorites! Good job Sam!
Interesting review. I have an old Mainline Collet which I think I brought back in the 1980s. Clearly has limitations but is something of a favourite. Seems to need minimal maintenance and runs regularly and well. Not bad for a 40 year old girl!
Hi Sam - in defence of the Bachmann model - it was I think a full re-tool for 1998, as one of the first “Blue Ribbon” versions, so you are judging a new in 1998, not 35/40 year-old one. It did come in BR lined green (which I have and looks gorgeous!) in two versions. As to moulded cabside numbers, almost no-one does this - understandably when you think of the extra tooling cost. The main drawback is the dreadful moulding line along the top of the body. The cab though is much more prototypical than its Mainline predecessor. It would be nice if re-tooled again, or (as others have suggested) it was offered as a budget starter model - no chance of this in current market conditions, I guess.
The very definition of a review. Thanks as always.
Hi Sam. Good idea to review Bachmann back to the future releases! I am not sure that these re-issues are re-use of old toolings or complete new toolings. It seems funny that the older model should have less of a moulding line along the boiler than the new one, unless it is a different tooling. I have found that with Wrenn and the earlier Hornby Dublo issues of what is superficially the same loco turns out not to be the same tooling. It is often said newer releases re-use the old tooling, but it maybe that the manufacturer cannot do this with some models? A use of old toolings by Bachmann I have noticed is in the USA Thomas range where old Replica Railways items have been re-issued for an extoriionate price! They claim it is HO scale, but it ain't. That's another video for you to make. Thanks for uploading.
The tender you have is actually a Great Central design! I will explain…
After WW1, the GWR bought around 100 examples of a 2-8-0 war department design which was a carbon copy of the GCRs 8K class, heavy freight loco design by JG Robinson.
However the GWR didn’t plan on keeping tall of them for the long term and a significant number in the worst condition were scrapped early during GWR ownership. However while the locos may have been poor the GWR decided the tenders were in a better condition so went and attached some of the better examples to the newly built ‘Collett Goods’ 0-6-0 locos.
Now when Bachmann launched their newly tooled loco and body of the Collett Goods back in 1996, it reused the standard Collet tender they inherited from the mainline range - but in 2010 Bachmann released a brand new GCR 04 class model and immediately revised the potential to offer the Collett Goods with the 04s tender thus replicating what the real GWR did in the 1930s…
Hence the somewhat odd coupling system which is effectively bodging together two different models designed over 10 years apart. The ex ROD tender being design to hold not only a decoder ad speaker but also being intended to be coupled to a 2-8-0 means that even a lack of pickups isn’t quite as bad as it seems. The Collett goods meanwhile had no alterations made to it and moreover needed to retain compatibility with the ex mainline tender it used was sometimes issued with.
They make a good detailing project. I have 3, despite their flaws, I love them
Funny story Sam, I actually have 3 of these and only 1 of them works. I'm still trying to fix both of them, but my GWR green one still runs great.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Ahh very interesting - are those the Mainline ones or the Bachmann??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Another awesome video Sam thank you ❤️
I’ve once ridden behind the only surviving Collett Goods loco at the South Devon Railway, that was number 3205.
Yes this is the version they released with ROD tender . I only have the Mainline one , with a very tired motor.
My one of these played up a while ago, so much that it smoked and I thought it was toast. However, the problem was the not uncommon one of grease stopping the motor turning the gears. It has survived. Your Mainline one does look smart but I suspect it has the infamous plastic insulators!
Put it on high resistance on an H&M Clipper or Duette and I’m sure you could get a good crawl. Try it Sam!
I have the old Mainline model. It was one of my first Mainline locos. Now I own three: The Royal Scot in the crimson, the J72 in LNER green and the Collett Goods in GWR green. Funnily enough, my Collett runs very poorly, despite me giving it the most attention. I kinda like it, but if you find one today (which is most likely more than 50£), we have a problem here. I'd stick with the Mainline, as even though mine is not that great of a runner, it has its charme. The GWR green may not have any lining, but it still has some character. This modern Bachmann version though doesn't cut it for me. Unless you're a DCC user, I can't find a good reason to buy this "new" model. I have seen a listing on the Hattons directory that there was a BR lined green but I haven't seen one myself. Also, please do some more older locos for reviews. It's quite interesting (and sometimes amusing) to see what the last decade or two brought to the table. Great review, Sam.
another informative review, weirdly im building a wills whitemetal 2251 class body onto an old triang 0-6-0 chassis atm. Was nice to compare what im building to this one.
Hi Sam,
A BR Lined green Collett Goods was released in 2011, but only as part of the "Western Rambler" train set (30-052). Ta!
Ahh such a pity... typical they paywalled it behind a train set ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I had two of these little engines when they first came out, and liked them very much. They were very good for 40 years ago, but the split axle insulation muffs were their Achilles heel, as for so many Mainline models. Oddly, the driving wheels never looked big enough to me - the 'baby Castles' had quite large diameter drivers in photos (|Some, I believe came off scrapped Dean Goods engines) and the model seemed a little on the small size. This could, of course be due to my eyesight!
Finally the bachmann collett goods get a review.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
haha after all this time!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
On the Mainline version, possibly looks like they cleaned up the mold lines during production
Reviewing older models is a very welcomed variation Sam. Not B's best back then unfortunately, and evidently very old, worn, body tooling as it seems, poorly executed for 2011 and pretty much very underwhelming for the time..., BUT you also have to consider its very low price of course, although it's hard for us to compare what the norm in OO was at that price point, us being on the continent. However, we are under the impression that £50 (equivalent to 2011's ~€ 57) was at near rock bottom budget level for a steamer, but should we stand corrected, we'd love to here it. From a distance, she's not too bad in our mind, certainly for that 2011 money. She makes an interesting project loco as well (further detailing, improvements). Cheerio.
I have a mainline pannier, the motor burnt out after a while, so I will just probably replace it with a modern chassis when I am bothered. The detail mainline had for the time is quite impressive!
You could try an Oxford Dean Goods chassis. You can get a sound fitted one and then adapt the body to fit.
I’m hoping Accurascale or Rapido will bring out one and save me before I get that project to the top of my list.
Thank you, Sam!
On the body swap. I tried this with a Mainline/Bachmann J72 and the Mainline body didn't sit on the Bachmann chassis properly, despite the body/chassis being almost indentical. Turns out the rear coupling hook on the Bachmann was a bit thicker than the Mainline.
Might work with this one, but I'd bet there's some tiny difference that prevents it working.
I have 2253 in weathered early crest black from 2009. It is exactly the same as yours, with the churchward tender, but because of the weathering, I can't just file down the awful seam line on the top of the boiler. Also due to its 6 wheel pickup, it isn't very reliable when DCC fitted, and it is a rather noisy runner too.
Tender looks like a Great Central tender from one of the GWR 30xx ROD 2-8-0's obtained at a knock-down price after The Great War.
The design is similar to the L&YR Class 28 tender loco. A.K.A., James the Red Engine’s class. Glad there is still one left IRL.
How do you power such a large layout Sam? Would love to see a breakdown of your layout, power zones, connection points etc :)
17:25 cool transition
Thank you!
Interesting to think that this model tooling was in use for as long as some actual locomotives, although by 2011 it definitely shows its age.
there is a bachmann collet goods in br lined green but its the same as yours exsept for the tender witch is the same as the mainline tender
just wondering if you're planning on reviewing the kernow steam rail motor when it comes out. been watching it for progress for a while and they've put out an expected delivery and finalised price now. should be first quarter 2024. look so nice but so expensive too!
Hello Sam - welcome to you too !
Thank you, haha!!
EDIT The following statements are most likely wrong but I have left it as originally posted for context!
Alas, again made a slip up in your research a models history. Although it is true Mainline did produce a Collett Goods the body was NOT reused!
In 1996 Bachmann started releasing what they called their ‘Blue Riband’ range of locos with brand new tooling for bodies as well - not just mechanisms and the Collett goods was just one such loco* (though they did re-use the mainline tender hence the retention of the huge hook on the loco as a coupling device.
EDIT - the following is still accurate!
Granted that still makes the body 38 tooling years old by now - and as you noted the chassis got a revamp to fit a DCC decoder around 2012 - but that’s not the totally positive development you might think as it involved removing a huge chunk of the die cast chassis and massively reducing its pulling performance and this is why it weighs so much less than the mainline version. A Collett goods from 2007 say would most likely weigh more or less the same as the mainline version.
* The SR N class was another mid 1990s ‘Blue Riband’ release.
I think you must have got it wrong - the body is identical with some slight modifications - that’s pretty clear from the video clips,
Cheers,
Sam :)
25:21
Southern Railway Bulleid Q1 Class locomotive
I have the Mainline version it ran like a bag of spanners but I changed the chassis for the slightly later Replica Railways chassis and that is a better chassis. I may look out for a Bachmann chassis at some point and update it to that.
I still love these Collett goods despite model companies neglecting it somewhat. Please can a manufacturer produce one in O gauge! It would be an excellent entry level tender engine.
Great review Sam. Last comment "quite surprising it's not much better"... It's not really though it's it! I remember the prototype from my youth at the SVR so I've always been interested in these. I got 32-304a which is gwr with city class tender, looks much better than that ugly ROD tender which is far too big in my opinion. Mine has sprung buffers and cab pipe work is painted, as is copper chimney. So B have done a bit off work on then since making this one. This would be a great prototype for Dapol to pick up, to complement all their other smallish GWR models. They picked the 28xx instead, where the competition from Hornby is much stronger
I rather like your reviews of older models. Adds variety and also, as I tend to be looking more and more to the second hand market your reviews are quite handy 🙂.
If Bachmann produced old models in a range that was equivelent to Hornby's Railroad range, at a decent price that might be a good thing.
Thanks Piers - I really enjoy looking back at the older models too... lets us appreciate what we have today if nothing else! Glad to hear that - while the axles hold together, those split chassis locos do run excellently!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains you can get replacement axles from peters spares
This has been an interesting look into Bachmann/Mainline history, much appreciated.
On a different note, will there be a member’s stream this month? I haven’t heard anything…
Thanks David, glad you liked that! Yes there will be, it'll be on the 30th!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have a question, what is the strongest engine you have that is mainly plastic?
Mainline were kind of the Accurascale of their time. They really shook up British outline model railways, producing models that were cheaper and more detailed than what was available at the time.
An interesting differance between the Bachmann Loco & the Mainline Loco Sam!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
make your ultimate collett class. i'd love to see that
Hi Sam! A little off topic but I'm restoring a Triang 08 Class shunter. I need to replace the capacitor. What kind of capacitor should I use for a model that's got a motor that operates on 12V. Thx Sam!
I do hope that someone comes out with an updated model of one of these - I'd like like one that isn't 40 years old.
Bachmann could make a killing if they just offered some budget options like this at 50 quid. I'd buy it, but we know it would be at least 100. I've got a mainline warship and that's it from mainline, perhaps I need more :)
Awesome video today Sam you should do a compression video
I guess you can add another test in the performance category: How well it gets over points without stalling or loss of power at it's minimum speed. I'd also wonder if you could produce and sell "performance kits" for locos that could stand to have mechanical electrical improvements done to them as well as add inconspicuous weights to the powered units, as a side gig💰
An interesting review with a few inaccuracies and lack of prototype understanding
I was one of those at the age of hmm maybe at the age of 13 14 ish recived a new mainline collett 3210 i loved it
Fast forward i have a bachmann set with a Collett in BR Lined green western rambler its called runs nice and looks good
What sam has there is the Collett goods attached to the GCR /ROD 2 8 0 tender .. a tender that was heavier than the loco ..yes the GWR did do this and i know the last surving collett goods 3205 has an ROD tender stashed away somewhere to do this
So bachmann to put new life into a new model have done what the GWR .. the problem is... the loco body is years old ( the mould lines give that away ) the chassis has been revamped and the ROD tender was drawn up years later for the bachmann ROD 2 8 0 model
The GCR built loads of these 2 8 0s and during the was they were used by many other railways the GWR being one of them at the end the GWR bought them for £100.. overhauled them and westernised...scrap the loco you sill have a usefull tender
Great video Sam, well produced and crisp as always. That being said whilst there are points which we can absolutly agree on, I think we should just bare in mind, as you pointed out, how old this model is. Comparing it to 2023/24 standards is like comparing my 2011 plated car to my parents 2023 plated car. The finess, detail and features are going to be miles off. Production is always going to be a sticking point and the seam line is no exception for a 2023 model, however, for a model in bachmanns catalogue in 2011/12 with an rrp of £73.80, would seem to suggest they weren't making much on them expecially given the re tooling. I think we can forgive them on this considereing if it was brought back into the range, you would be looking at close to £200 which is more unacceptable than a seam line. Just a thought. They do say opinions are like .... everyones got one so take it with a pinch of salt. As always keep up the good work and I look forward to the next videos! 👍🏼👌🏼 (maybe the another look at the voyager where you can compare a 2001 tooling project to a 2023/24 standards 😉)
As a prototype I actually rather like these neat 0-6-0 goods engines but as usual Sam's review has exposed some flaws in the model. One thing that struck me on the closeup is the lamp brackets on the front buffer beam...I thought they'd been moulded or glued on sideways by looking at pics of the real thing this arragement does seem to be accurate even if the moulding is a bit crude. 😁
the tender, btw is an ex GCR item I think, from an 04 class 2-8-0 or something similar. Think we have the Railway Operating Division, ROD to thank for that. As an aside I think these GCR style tenders also ran with V2 2-6-2s in a few cases as well.
Hi Sam, how can I stop my model train's wheels from locking up? Is it oil I use or is it something else? And I'm only just getting into model train's.
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I don’t actually think this is too bad, as it runs well, and in my opinion doesn’t look too hideous as long as you don’t look super close. If Bachmann were to bring it back for around £60-70, then I think it would be a great budget model. On the flip side, they could also retool i5 and make a great model, so long as they keep the price reasonable.
Glad I got a small prairie instead of this!
Also could you review the bachmann 57xx class (updated)? I have 2 and would like to know your opinion of them :)
This is my all-time favourite locomotive. I have now retired from the hobby due to poor eyesight and have sold off all of my railway, except that I kept one of the original line black Mainline Collerrs. I have always loved this engine I kept it for purely sentimental reasons. At one time I owned three of these locomotives. It pains me that you consider it to be such a poor model, but I cannot deny it wasn’t Bachmann finest hour. I would love to see a new model
In the US the last 1950s tooling only really filtered out of the market in the last 10-15 years or so.
@31.05 Wait, when did you review the Bachmann PCC Streetcar?
Sam, could the difference in weight between the two models be a result of the much deeper chassis of the older model?
I have a replica railways one of these and possibly a later Bachmann one.
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thanks Brian! :D
@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊 buddy 😊
Hi sam u going warley this year ?
I had a bachmann 57xx which couldn’t crawl much like the Collett Goods 🤔
However a more recent 8750 pannier can crawl, wondering what they changed to achieve this.
They changed the chassis and motor and made them DCC ready about 2008 iirc
57xx and 87xx are slightly different bodies on the same chassis.
@@marknicholson2281 I had a DCC fitted 57xx and it replicated this Collett goods, no crawl and would moved after speed step 6/7 son my Dynamis. Wonder if they changed the motors also after this date.
@@Hooterton_Model_Railway you may have some other fault? Motor or gearbox maybe. All mine run well on my NCE. I’ve hardwired the older ones after a full service. The grease was almost solid in one of them iirc.
Re the speed steps, it sounds like you may need to change the CVs. I couldn’t do that on my old Dynamis, but you may be able to do on yours if it’s a Ultra version ( I believe).
Plain black is by my favourite livery for locos, hands down. It lets one appreciate the design and features (and also shows up any horrible seam lines- due to a knackered set of moulds I guess?) so much better than all the colours and lining. If it's weathered too so much the better. If it isn't it will be if I have any say. Lined green is so meh compared to black. I have the same attitude to my cars. Black all the way, and no lining lol. The model actually looks quite nice with the ROD tender, I must get one, I can always take my scalpel to the boiler moulding line... thanks for the reminder :)
PS do NOT bother with the Mainline version - the Bachmann version is so worth the extra twenty quid - DCC ready, much better chassis and wheels, detail etc....
Thanks for sharing! Yeah I can see the attraction of plain black... but you can't hide a shoddy loco with such a plain livery! Yeah I think the tools will be knackered, hence the poor moulding. Ahh blacks a bit different with cars... I'm with you there!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
5:33 In many of today's offerings, linkage and tools are not included. It ought to be "Standard Issue"... John
was that a Q1 0-6-0 i saw? Also - the tender were different. are they both correct for the era or is one wrong?
25:20, I was thinking the same, but I looked to see if anyone else had thought the same.
It was pretty much obscured, though.
I found two odd ones out is the Californian and the gwr 64xx, I’m not sure if the lms loco is also the odd one out
Well spotted, it was the Pannier, the only 0-6-0 tank engine!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I really wanted a new 0-6-0 tender engine for my layout, perhaps this is the model I should get?
haha no it isn't... definitely not! Unless someone makes a new one of course!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)