I'd go with Train simulator, because there's steam trains, there's more routes and trains and in some ways it's more realistic. I do have both games, but I might switch back to TSW2 When they've added more rail vehicles and routes.
It's frustrating. TS has better gameplay despite its age and has DLC routes I've actually commuted to work on, which are great fun to drive. A friend of mine hasd actually driven trains on one of them. TSW is limited in terms of DLC and the gameplay is not so great - when the Raildriver peripheral is properly supported, that will help, but it is so much nicer to look at. I agree with you, they should phase out TS and get the third parties working with TSW. I don't see why TSW couldn't offer a better balance between easy and harcdcore sim options like many driving games and flight simulators do.
Im am train conductor since 1999. Until 1 year ago when for medical reasons i went to pension. But i love my job so badly that i find a little refuge in this simulators....among others. In my humble opinion as realism and and all steps Train Simulator World (dont be surprised ) is much closer by the simple fact that you can manually switch/contact/delay/deploy everything. Still need to work on wagons numbers versus engine traction but its ok. Train Simulator 20XX is more like a steady, arcade game. Don't hate me fans. Here it is why: When your Locomotive Engineer (freights transporter) 60....70% of your job is, how i was saying on top, to do actually manually work. Squeduals, plane. don't stay to long on a track, calculation. On the other hand a train conductor (passenger transportation) is a little more relaxing, and once you hit cabin, only in extreme cases you gonna leave it (or header switching). Again im talking only about much closer approach to reality. Now this is my opinion, i hope nobody gonna be upset about my opinion and i am ready to be agree with your arguments. Have a nice day and keep on track.
Hey dont worry about ppl getting upset. Thats their problem.. this comment is perfect and is what we as train simmers and railfans need to hear and learn about
don't be afraid to put out your opinion online, as a genz born in 1998 what I can tell you about internet is that if someone makes an offensive comment if you wait long enough someone else will make a defensive comment for you, from then just let them discuss while you keep minding your business
Fascinating stuff, I was always interested in doing passenger trains but sadly there are none in Wisconsin, just normal trains. There are passenger trains in Chicago, but who wants to live there lol
In TS20XX you can also switch manually, the manual switches (of course you can't switch the remote controlled main switches), just you can't walk there, but click on it by mouse, or click on it on map.
Very helpful, short and precise. Other you tubers would go on for ages about stuff no one cares about and beg every second for likes and subs. This is the kind of content youtube needs more of.
Tbh he could have shortened it a lot too, or include a much shorter explanation in the beginning before going into detail. And yes it's already shortened but still
@@BluGames Hard to say tbh, I'm maybe just too used to fast & short explanation videos that take like 1 minute. Also didn't expect an answer already 😅 I think what would be useful is (depending on the video, I'm sure on this theme a lot more people are willing to check the details compared to Idk a game about something else) a very basic but short explanation at the beginning might be useful without telling too much that reveals everything, while including the details for everyone still interested after that short explanation in the video. Imagine explaining to a friend in like 3 or 4 sentences the difference between the game in a way that a newbie understands it. I think this would fit. However that's just my opinion. Do it however you feel like is right. ^^
5:04 my direct message to Dovetail games would be STOP TRICKING PEOPLE. The new "name" makes people think it's brand new and they should buy it! Instead there's barely any change. On the other hand, TSW is the "real new" one and is constantly being updated.
That's kind of true people could be tricked if you never bought the yearly released train simulator before you might expect it to be brand new and top of the line with features that surpass tsw. However if you bought train simulator before or even after the release of tsw with each yearly update you get that update free every year as well so each game does get updated. For example a few years ago train simulator updated from 32 bit version to 64 for the better directx lighting while still giving you the option of which you would rather play at start up.
The one problem Dovetail have with TS classic is that players have poured so much money and time into the game that they literally will not accept the fact it’s an ancient game that needs to be moved on from. I don’t think it should be completely abandoned though, there are so many 3rd party devs that will definitely keep the game alive. TSW2 could really become something if Dovetail focused their entire team on it. I’m excited to see what the future has in store for both these games.
No? TSC should not be left like this. They need to optimise the game atleast, because what let's just say K-Trains here in Czechia does is amazing. The models are super realistic even though the simulator limits it, but they are managing to still make it really realistic. It is pissing me off to see people say this..
The only negative side about the classic train simulator is, there's just too few things you can do in the cockpit, besides accelerate and brake and some basic security system, where tsw is fairly more complete. Audio isn't too good either, but they did it better on TSW2
The amount you can do in the “cockpit” (in trains, it’s normally called the cab) depends on who makes the train. While most of Dovetail’s trains don’t have much other than the accelerator and the brake, third party developers such as Armstrong Powerhouse include much more detail and realistic sounds.
Yea but it makes up for what you can do in the sim I run 10hr sessions on Bergen line hint save and continue later tsw is to limited after I drove everything I uninstalled because it got boring and 40 fps is great all my routes are free roam ready tons of rolling stock no stutter no no lag all I did was get it to perform on my gpu instead of cpu it fixed all performance problems and I feel I got my money worth
@@Lucrativecris lol tell me about it bro no custom Paths either no sig permission to leave yard or anything like that hope that there is some hope for that sim
I prefer tsw because I love to walk around and spawn walking pretend to be a driver open the door to the train. I hope flight simulator can do that too.
As someone who's only just recently really gotten into TSW, I've never felt like this game wasn't as much of a simulator as others. I think it does a good job at what it does. I'm really enjoying it a lot. The DLC prices are pretty crazy imo, but I'm beginning to understand why, as they're full on replicas of routes/trains. The main thing I wanna see come to the game is livery creation sharing. Some people are wizards with the livery editor. I'd like to download some other player's liveries.
Thanks so much, man. As someone who is just getting back into trains (you should've seen my model train setup when I was a kid back in the '80s), it's really hard to figure out what is the best option out there. Love your content. Keep it coming!
I kind of do and don’t. I can only speak for the American railroad side of things, but it still doesn’t get physics exactly right especially compared to Run 8. In reality, it’s just a better-looking version of TS20xx except with less content. Plus, it still has a ton of bugs and quirks. However, it’s pretty awesome to have on PS4.
I think the main differences between the 2 is that railworks(ts), you can make your own routes and make custom content but the graphics are nothing compared to tsw and tsw2, Railworks is simple, and so is tsw.
The only thing that's a bit hard is route building; it can take ages to do and takes lots of practice. You're sadly not able to change the livery of trains in TS, but I hope they add an easy way to do so in a future update without game files blah blah blah. In my opinion Train Simulator is better. All they need is a route by Lake Okeechobee, FL
Agreed, either of these titles having VR support would be incredible, seems Dovetail games has no interest in VR, that would require a LOT of work to make these VR compatible, Dovetail seems to hate putting too much work into their titles, they pump them out and collect the cash, it's all they seem to care about. Great video, love the the info in a short amount of time! :)
Well I want disagree about them collecting cash. But a your already see how complex the train sim is on pc and console putting all of that into a vr game would take extraordinary amounts of storage and time it would take years to develop. There's a reason why we don't see many if at all any vr sim games especially when it come to ones like trains, semis,cars,bus driving etc. The games are just that big.
This was a great video I finally understand the real difference. Thank you so much. I like steam locomotives in historical American roots so I’m stuck with classic for now but would switch to tween Sim world when they get more routes and steam Locos.
Thank you for this, I just started with TSW4 and a complete newbie, I have seen lots of websites offering downloads and to be honest I got confused which sim they were for, so many similar names. I did see these 2 and I was wondering if they were compatible but you put me straight on that. As for the sim holding your hand I liked TSW for that coz not everyone is familiar with the controls, with TSW you can go over the training as many times as you like to get used to the basics.
You didn't mention the biggest advantage of the traditional TANE is the creator interface, where a complete environment can be made from scratch, terrain, buildings, and track layouts.
I'm a original Railworks owner and have owned every years version since. I also own TSW2. (yes, I'm ancient. I've owned even older trainsim games) Personally I like TSW2 better simply because it runs so much smoother and the freedom of walking around does add some nice flavor. The old engine needs an extreme update and fixing but all the old DLC is holding it back. Also after many many years of TS it's like a breath of fresh air for me. TL;DR: TSW2 my current fav.
The issue with letting Train Simulator classic go is that Train Sim World is not currently in a position to replace it. There are so many features and add ons built for the older train simulator (not to mention community scenarios and routes in the steam workshop) that letting it go at this point would almost certainly be too large a hit to Dovetail Games. Maybe in the future once Train Sim World is on the same level that Train Simulator Classic is but definitely not right now (recognizing that this comment comes a year and a bit after the videos positing)
Honestly I wish Dovetail would just make Train Simulator (Classic) open-source. The game itself is pretty ancient anyways, and what you're really paying for when buying it on Steam are the 3 included routes.
Thank you for this video dude ! I have been playing a ton of Euro Truck Sim 2 recently and fallen deep in love with it and since then i have wanted to play a Train sim so much but have no idea where to start, will be picking up Tran Sim World 2 now :) great vid.
based on their business strategy, i'm pretty sure TSW will end up just like its predecessor. we all know that dovetail does that to keep the game alive for years, but if dovetail keeps up with that kind of business model. one day microsoft or another game studio will make similar simulation games that are much better, and trust me! dovetail will regret it
The big disadvantage is that you can't transfer routes and DLC from Train Simulator Classic to TSW, meaning that while TSW doesn't have a route builder like TS Classic, you still would have to start all over again in TSW in building sets.
The actual difference is that TSW is a version for more graphical realistic route at a smaller scale the dev team also goes out to survey each route they decide to put in the game to make it as realistic as possible.
Didn't know you were a railfan too! Quite enjoy your videos Blu! I'm more a a TS Classic guy, TSW disappointed me greatly by delaying the 3rd party dev tools and taking back their promise on multiplayer. I'm considering getting TSW 2 but I am in no big rush.
the giant upside to TSC is that it has so many independent modding communities like the CZ/SK community where they have a ton of czechoslovak wagons, locos and so on
Thank you you've just saved me money and potential headache! Love your UK train routes! So entertaining and informative and your voice is to die for 😂❤
I have both but prefer train simulator. Yes the graphics arnt as good but its 11 years old. TSW is far more advanced but doesn't have good routes or enough content
Im on the same boat with owning both games but I'm liking TSW 2 on my Xbone X a little more sicne the scenarios aren't as buggy and the framerate doesn't stutter as much. On the other hand, I dont mind occasionally going back to TS 20XX since they have wayyy more routes and scenarios, steam trains and more advanced gameplay
I just want a train simulator with true, realistic accurate physics and long, heavy trains. Physics where the train doesn't immediately start moving when you increase engine power. I want a sim where I can have 200 rail cars and engine cars in the middle of the train if I want on long tracks.
My #1 problem with the new games is you cant explore the full route and the #2 is the major lack of steam locomotives american/european/Asiatic. Heck the AC on the CSX is like trying to start the space shuttle and I stuck with the sd-40 and the GP they were much simpler to figure out.
Found this video looking up Train Sim Classic, because there's a bundle on Fanatical right now. TSC + 17 DLC for 12 bucks. Looks like a great opportunity to take a gander at this genre of sims to me right now, even though it may be old and may be walking on crutches by now.
I am big fan of Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator games and I have been thinking on trying Train Simulator games and thinking on getting one for some time.... what scares me most is actually number of DLCs for games and how much of them are needed for nice enjoyment and complexity of games itself..... but thanks on short explanation.
You are very welcome unlike ETS you dont need ALL the dlc to really enjoy it. From train sim u just pick the few routes that interests you. And when u get bored with that then branch out and find more
I really wouldn’t worry about that mate the DLC’s are bigger than you would think doing all the routes and scenarios collecting all the medals 🥇 etc will keep you busy a while on each
Classic "Train Simulator" has one big and sad problem - The game engine only supports 1 core in the CPU. Even on the producer's trailers you can see that this game has big lags... :/
Dovetail needs to add everything from train sim classic to train sim world because I want to be able to choose my route with different locomotives. Train sim world provides that but I want to be able to customize my own world and train sim world needs steam locomotives American steam locomotives and they need to focus on train sim world more than the classic but the classic gives you more of the basics and then play train sim world because it’s more complex and difficult than the classic
wow! I saw you on DTG stream, you were operating a train (Amtrak?) in the US! Cool! I am subscribed now .. funny how I accidently got your channel recommended by Utube algorithms:)
The problem is that TS classic is a far better sim than TSW. Abandoning a game like that is a dumb move. If they would update the game it would be just as good as tsw graphically and better in every way.
Thank you so much for making this video! I just bought TSW3 and was very confused about what TS2022 was! Your video was very informative and greatly helped me make the right choice.
Thanks! I just got an Xbox and stumbled across TSW, and am loving it. Was poking around for Train Simulator info, and you are the clearest and most concise! 👍
Man, I've been looking for something like your video for a whole week. Thank you very much! :D Personally I will go for TWS2 since I'm not in to simulator that much and the graphics looks brilliant. I already have TS and it is to harsh for me. Always, in my opinion.
I got train sim world 2020 and train sim world 2 and train simulator. I feel like they are all exactly the same really, just train simulator has more routes and trains. If your looking for a good train simulator with quick and easy routes then get train simulator world but if you want more realistic routes and more trains just get train simulator. Its all about preference get whatever looks best to you
Hello blu!! I have been following your channel for a while and I really like your videos on trains. I'm a avid train sim user from back 2009 I guess... Thanks for making the videos I really enjoyed it... Also I would like to ask if u could do review or play through some UNION PACIFIC stuff like from DTM and Smokebox that would be awesome.... And once again thanks for entertaining us
Honestly the only reason I want to play this game is because I'm able to get off my chair and do stuff with the train. Maybe uncouple wagons and such. I don't feel like I'm glued to the chair. I feel immersed. Just like with bus simulator 18 for example. It's fun. It's entertaining to walk around your vehicle and do stuff with it.
the only reason i still cling to TSC is the existence of the big boy. if the big boy ever comes to any of the TSWs or even some other good train sim game im dipping out of classic
One of the best videos of the type I've seen. Thanks a lot. I was looking for the difference between TSW2 and TSW2020 which is really like wtf? haha.. Anyway thanks for this great comparison!
I've tried to get back into Railworks (Train Sim Classic) about a year ago and, for some reason after a few minutes I've had a memory error happen, this has also been an issue for many other people even the ones who have a high-end gaming PC like myself which lead to people giving Train Sim classic a bad review and not worth the money but, Railwaorks has had it's ,moments when it came to moding the game a little, aside from that Train Sim World series is more forgiving, seems Railworks issues regarding it's game engine issues won't be fixed anytime soon
Thanks for this video. I had not heard about “TrackIR” before. Such a neat product. Maybe you could add a note about that in the video description? I wasn’t sure exactly what you were saying initially.
I think why ts classic is still running because it's the place for dtg to test dlc's that would eventually come to tsw. Just look at all of tsw dlc which already available in ts classic way beyond.
Train simulator id still running due to the amount of creators for third part content and more and more people coming to the simulator because tsw 2 is not a simulator
I absolutely love train simulator 😁 I had purchased a steam key for train sim 2013 since i couldn't find it in store... And automatically got updated to the 2021 version I remember when Microsoft train simulator came out in 2001 I had got it at Walmart it was so addicting I'd stay on till like 4 am driving trains 😄 but so far think I've spent about $92 on DLC from the new version 😅
I have trains sim world, and train sim world 2 for PS4, PS5 and Xbox Series X.. I have to say I love the amount you can do on this game and the amount of DLCs that comes with it. That being said and surprising to myself the game runs the most smooth on PS4 over the rest. I just wish dovetail would add the train simulator DLCs to console or even added to TSW2 like the Rockies Route and the Steam. Apparently a release is coming soon to bring steam and the horseshoe curve to TSW2 but I can't find if this will be strictly PC or applicable to all platforms. You definitely get more with the PC versions.
02:40 Yes, it can get annoying when your penalised and lose points for been on time at stations and been told you're late even when you're actually a little early. Unlike TSW2 from I've seen, in TS you cannot cross a red light even at the station. The game simply stops you right there and ends. It's best to make a save point regularly just in case you break too and miss a station going through a red light or your train for some reason doesn't go onto the next track when it was suppose to and derails or collides with another train. Someday, I'll get TSW. I'd bought TS back in 2012 but not played much until recently now I have a better PC. Most retail disk versions of TS2012 where corrupt versions too I remember. Once activated you'd be notified and given the digital version for free as compensation. Strange they didn't do a recall or stop making a corrupt disk version. Not everyone had a good internet connection. I don't think TS will go anywhere soon. There are so many routes, even new ones are still been made. It has all the modding features and creation tools TSW2 doesn't have and a larger community. TSW2 will eventually take over once more routes in countries other than the UK, EU and US are added and they start supporting more creation tools. Most people new to the Simulator will likely go for TSW2 due to the improved graphics and looking better. Just remember it's a Simulator than a game. Either way, whether you see it as a simulator or a video game (competitive or for achievements), steam are always having 50% sales on these two so you could get both if you were to wait. The same with many routes getting sales almost every 2 months.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on telling Dovetail to let train simulator classic go. There is huge third party support off of steam, with a payware and freeware add-ons, which is currently not possible in tsw, as there is no way to get a third party train or route into the game, the best people can do at the moment is liveries. And, even if they do add a way to share trains and routes, they can never replace the huge catalogue that train sim classic has, both on and off steam.
What if I don't really care about all the nitty gritty details of how to run a train, and I just want to make it go easily, and then enjoy the ride? and look at the scenery and the pretty train from the outside. Do any of these games do that?
Each sim has it’s own pluses and minuses. I enjoy playing both but I’ve recently been playing TSW “Train Sim World” more as it has a smoother frame rate on my PC and offers just about all the realism that I require and then some. There’s no argument that Train Simulator has more DLC and I appreciate this especially as it models the New Jersey Transit North Jersey Coastline that I use to travel from my home in New Jersey to Manhattan. A major requirement for me though, is that both operate well with “RailDriver” which is a throttle controller that adds realism to controlling trains vs using just a computer keyboard. Either sim or if you can swing it, “both” don’t disappoint. Enjoy!
Ive had train simulator classic for 5 years now, and it's so costly and runs bad on my PC. just got gamepass and TSW2 and i fell in love with it, being able to walk around and the better graphics yet higher frames is so cool. I would play TS classic but the dlc's are just too expensive
Looking for the best most realistic train physics and the never ending open sandbox world, try Run8. Being able to run a road train that I build from one yard to another, flat switch or that consist over a hump, build a local then work industries with no scenery bringing it to and end is the ultimate in Railroad simulation.
Honestly, I’d say Train Simulator is superior to TSW... here’s why 1. TSW has a frustrating lack of content. 2. TSW absolutely BLOWS TS out of the water with the graphical quality, and is USUALLY more realistic... the reason I still chose TS over TSW in realism is because of audio. Stock, both games have pretty trash audio. But there are endless mods for TS, considering it’s been out much longer. This is probably the biggest selling point for me. 3. Customization, you can make your own trains and routes. 4. Going back to audio, TSW REUSES a lot of its audio, which is quite disappointing. I’ve been playing TS/Railworks ever since it came out, and it uses a lot of the same sounds as well, expect it has a lot more to offer and the sounds do vary, for example the CSX GP40-2 has a different sounds than the CSX AC6000CW or CSX Dash-8, which is something TSW doesn’t do. Summary: TSW is pretty mediocre in general, which lets TS rise to the top with its numerous amounts of content, better audio (with mods), customization, and more diversity in audio stock... thanks for reading! (This is also my opinion, and in no way, shape, or form is this meant to discourage readers or offend anyone)
First started with Train Simulator ages ago by Microsoft on steam. Then one year when I loaded up it said it was now Train Simulator 20xx and my DLC would be carried over. From then it's been dovetail. Guess they bought it up and are trying to keep two similar products for a while.
So which do you prefer? Train Simulator Classic or Train Sim World?
Well, TSW has no steam engines yet, so I'd have to go with... Trainz!
I'd go with Train simulator, because there's steam trains, there's more routes and trains and in some ways it's more realistic. I do have both games, but I might switch back to TSW2 When they've added more rail vehicles and routes.
It's frustrating. TS has better gameplay despite its age and has DLC routes I've actually commuted to work on, which are great fun to drive. A friend of mine hasd actually driven trains on one of them. TSW is limited in terms of DLC and the gameplay is not so great - when the Raildriver peripheral is properly supported, that will help, but it is so much nicer to look at. I agree with you, they should phase out TS and get the third parties working with TSW. I don't see why TSW couldn't offer a better balance between easy and harcdcore sim options like many driving games and flight simulators do.
Lol
Yep yep
Im am train conductor since 1999. Until 1 year ago when for medical reasons i went to pension. But i love my job so badly that i find a little refuge in this simulators....among others. In my humble opinion as realism and and all steps Train Simulator World (dont be surprised ) is much closer by the simple fact that you can manually switch/contact/delay/deploy everything. Still need to work on wagons numbers versus engine traction but its ok. Train Simulator 20XX is more like a steady, arcade game. Don't hate me fans. Here it is why: When your Locomotive Engineer (freights transporter) 60....70% of your job is, how i was saying on top, to do actually manually work. Squeduals, plane. don't stay to long on a track, calculation. On the other hand a train conductor (passenger transportation) is a little more relaxing, and once you hit cabin, only in extreme cases you gonna leave it (or header switching). Again im talking only about much closer approach to reality. Now this is my opinion, i hope nobody gonna be upset about my opinion and i am ready to be agree with your arguments. Have a nice day and keep on track.
Hey dont worry about ppl getting upset. Thats their problem.. this comment is perfect and is what we as train simmers and railfans need to hear and learn about
don't be afraid to put out your opinion online, as a genz born in 1998 what I can tell you about internet is that if someone makes an offensive comment if you wait long enough someone else will make a defensive comment for you, from then just let them discuss while you keep minding your business
Fascinating stuff, I was always interested in doing passenger trains but sadly there are none in Wisconsin, just normal trains. There are passenger trains in Chicago, but who wants to live there lol
I prefer train 2020
In TS20XX you can also switch manually, the manual switches (of course you can't switch the remote controlled main switches), just you can't walk there, but click on it by mouse, or click on it on map.
Very helpful, short and precise. Other you tubers would go on for ages about stuff no one cares about and beg every second for likes and subs. This is the kind of content youtube needs more of.
I hate watching videos like that also. So my goal is to do the opposite. Thanks for watching
That's the classic style of youtube that we enjoy so much. I miss it a lot.
Tbh he could have shortened it a lot too, or include a much shorter explanation in the beginning before going into detail. And yes it's already shortened but still
Hey guys thanks for the feedback. Which part do you think i could have cut out? For future reference
@@BluGames Hard to say tbh, I'm maybe just too used to fast & short explanation videos that take like 1 minute. Also didn't expect an answer already 😅
I think what would be useful is (depending on the video, I'm sure on this theme a lot more people are willing to check the details compared to Idk a game about something else) a very basic but short explanation at the beginning might be useful without telling too much that reveals everything, while including the details for everyone still interested after that short explanation in the video. Imagine explaining to a friend in like 3 or 4 sentences the difference between the game in a way that a newbie understands it. I think this would fit. However that's just my opinion. Do it however you feel like is right. ^^
5:04 my direct message to Dovetail games would be STOP TRICKING PEOPLE. The new "name" makes people think it's brand new and they should buy it! Instead there's barely any change. On the other hand, TSW is the "real new" one and is constantly being updated.
That's kind of true people could be tricked if you never bought the yearly released train simulator before you might expect it to be brand new and top of the line with features that surpass tsw. However if you bought train simulator before or even after the release of tsw with each yearly update you get that update free every year as well so each game does get updated. For example a few years ago train simulator updated from 32 bit version to 64 for the better directx lighting while still giving you the option of which you would rather play at start up.
The one problem Dovetail have with TS classic is that players have poured so much money and time into the game that they literally will not accept the fact it’s an ancient game that needs to be moved on from. I don’t think it should be completely abandoned though, there are so many 3rd party devs that will definitely keep the game alive. TSW2 could really become something if Dovetail focused their entire team on it. I’m excited to see what the future has in store for both these games.
yes exactly! thats what i am saying
Same
I personally prefer TS classic cuz it runs smoother on my pc (which isn’t the best) but if it weren’t for that then I think I’d prefer TSW
Like GTA 5
No? TSC should not be left like this. They need to optimise the game atleast, because what let's just say K-Trains here in Czechia does is amazing. The models are super realistic even though the simulator limits it, but they are managing to still make it really realistic. It is pissing me off to see people say this..
The only negative side about the classic train simulator is, there's just too few things you can do in the cockpit, besides accelerate and brake and some basic security system, where tsw is fairly more complete. Audio isn't too good either, but they did it better on TSW2
The amount you can do in the “cockpit” (in trains, it’s normally called the cab) depends on who makes the train. While most of Dovetail’s trains don’t have much other than the accelerator and the brake, third party developers such as Armstrong Powerhouse include much more detail and realistic sounds.
Bro what irritates me in tsw you can't make your own fucken consists or having the custom pain scheme in already made scenarios
best models for TS (ex. Searchlight AC4400CW and SD40-2) are as good as TSW models, with many switches functional, and realistic start procedure
Yea but it makes up for what you can do in the sim I run 10hr sessions on Bergen line hint save and continue later tsw is to limited after I drove everything I uninstalled because it got boring and 40 fps is great all my routes are free roam ready tons of rolling stock no stutter no no lag all I did was get it to perform on my gpu instead of cpu it fixed all performance problems and I feel I got my money worth
@@Lucrativecris lol tell me about it bro no custom Paths either no sig permission to leave yard or anything like that hope that there is some hope for that sim
That was actually really useful, simply explained and not too long, you go straight to the point. Big thanks!
This video was made for people like you. You are very welcome im glad i can help cause i was just as confused as you were im sure
@@BluGames thx
I prefer tsw because I love to walk around and spawn walking pretend to be a driver open the door to the train. I hope flight simulator can do that too.
Yea would love the “on foot” concept with flightsims
We all know that everyone is going to try to jump of the plane
Welp it’s now a thing
As someone who's only just recently really gotten into TSW, I've never felt like this game wasn't as much of a simulator as others. I think it does a good job at what it does. I'm really enjoying it a lot. The DLC prices are pretty crazy imo, but I'm beginning to understand why, as they're full on replicas of routes/trains. The main thing I wanna see come to the game is livery creation sharing. Some people are wizards with the livery editor. I'd like to download some other player's liveries.
TS2021 is a hobby with editors. TSW2 is just a dead end game.
Thanks so much, man. As someone who is just getting back into trains (you should've seen my model train setup when I was a kid back in the '80s), it's really hard to figure out what is the best option out there.
Love your content. Keep it coming!
I like train sim world more its like xplane and msfs 2020
Exactly
@jaydy train simulator is more like X-Plane and tsw is more like mfs 2020
I kind of do and don’t. I can only speak for the American railroad side of things, but it still doesn’t get physics exactly right especially compared to Run 8. In reality, it’s just a better-looking version of TS20xx except with less content. Plus, it still has a ton of bugs and quirks. However, it’s pretty awesome to have on PS4.
I think the main differences between the 2 is that railworks(ts), you can make your own routes and make custom content but the graphics are nothing compared to tsw and tsw2, Railworks is simple, and so is tsw.
Agreed
The only thing that's a bit hard is route building; it can take ages to do and takes lots of practice. You're sadly not able to change the livery of trains in TS, but I hope they add an easy way to do so in a future update without game files blah blah blah. In my opinion Train Simulator is better. All they need is a route by Lake Okeechobee, FL
Agreed, either of these titles having VR support would be incredible, seems Dovetail games has no interest in VR, that would require a LOT of work to make these VR compatible, Dovetail seems to hate putting too much work into their titles, they pump them out and collect the cash, it's all they seem to care about.
Great video, love the the info in a short amount of time! :)
Well I want disagree about them collecting cash. But a your already see how complex the train sim is on pc and console putting all of that into a vr game would take extraordinary amounts of storage and time it would take years to develop. There's a reason why we don't see many if at all any vr sim games especially when it come to ones like trains, semis,cars,bus driving etc. The games are just that big.
This was a great video I finally understand the real difference. Thank you so much. I like steam locomotives in historical American roots so I’m stuck with classic for now but would switch to tween Sim world when they get more routes and steam Locos.
Thanks for watching . I was extremely confused at first
Thank you for this, I just started with TSW4 and a complete newbie, I have seen lots of websites offering downloads and to be honest I got confused which sim they were for, so many similar names. I did see these 2 and I was wondering if they were compatible but you put me straight on that.
As for the sim holding your hand I liked TSW for that coz not everyone is familiar with the controls, with TSW you can go over the training as many times as you like to get used to the basics.
Glad i could help
You didn't mention the biggest advantage of the traditional TANE is the creator interface, where a complete environment can be made from scratch, terrain, buildings, and track layouts.
Very true. I think i may have skimmed over it.
Yes the editor mode let you make you train at you own taste
I'm a original Railworks owner and have owned every years version since. I also own TSW2.
(yes, I'm ancient. I've owned even older trainsim games)
Personally I like TSW2 better simply because it runs so much smoother and the freedom of walking around does add some nice flavor. The old engine needs an extreme update and fixing but all the old DLC is holding it back. Also after many many years of TS it's like a breath of fresh air for me.
TL;DR: TSW2 my current fav.
The issue with letting Train Simulator classic go is that Train Sim World is not currently in a position to replace it. There are so many features and add ons built for the older train simulator (not to mention community scenarios and routes in the steam workshop) that letting it go at this point would almost certainly be too large a hit to Dovetail Games. Maybe in the future once Train Sim World is on the same level that Train Simulator Classic is but definitely not right now (recognizing that this comment comes a year and a bit after the videos positing)
you are spot on. keep the classic.
Honestly I wish Dovetail would just make Train Simulator (Classic) open-source. The game itself is pretty ancient anyways, and what you're really paying for when buying it on Steam are the 3 included routes.
no game company would make their game open source lmao
Thank you for this video dude ! I have been playing a ton of Euro Truck Sim 2 recently and fallen deep in love with it and since then i have wanted to play a Train sim so much but have no idea where to start, will be picking up Tran Sim World 2 now :) great vid.
So glad i could help enjoy!
based on their business strategy, i'm pretty sure TSW will end up just like its predecessor. we all know that dovetail does that to keep the game alive for years, but if dovetail keeps up with that kind of business model. one day microsoft or another game studio will make similar simulation games that are much better, and trust me! dovetail will regret it
Microsoft did have a train simulator back in the late 90s to early 2000s.
And it was a really cool Microsoft game as well. Spent hours and hours and hours. Wish they would pick it back up
@@LinwoodPowell From what i heard most of the people that worked on Microsoft Train Simulator later formed Dovetail Games
Graphics point doesn't matter for most people, either way it's not gonna run well with anything higher than low settings
The big disadvantage is that you can't transfer routes and DLC from Train Simulator Classic to TSW, meaning that while TSW doesn't have a route builder like TS Classic, you still would have to start all over again in TSW in building sets.
I like train sim world 2 as its more open world and its free on epic games right now so Its highly recommended to give this game a try!
The actual difference is that TSW is a version for more graphical realistic route at a smaller scale the dev team also goes out to survey each route they decide to put in the game to make it as realistic as possible.
Didn't know you were a railfan too! Quite enjoy your videos Blu! I'm more a a TS Classic guy, TSW disappointed me greatly by delaying the 3rd party dev tools and taking back their promise on multiplayer. I'm considering getting TSW 2 but I am in no big rush.
Yes i am! And i have been really enjoying the ts pro trains lately
I'm not even into train sims, only watching because you made it, but now I know at least.
Haha well thanks
this is exactly the video i was looking for when I seaRched "tsw 2022 vs train simulator. thansk for the effort and information.
You are very welcome
It's on sale for $5.99 80% off right now on epic games
Go for it
the giant upside to TSC is that it has so many independent modding communities like the CZ/SK community where they have a ton of czechoslovak wagons, locos and so on
Thank you you've just saved me money and potential headache! Love your UK train routes! So entertaining and informative and your voice is to die for 😂❤
I have both but prefer train simulator. Yes the graphics arnt as good but its 11 years old. TSW is far more advanced but doesn't have good routes or enough content
Understood
I agree. Also if dovetail stops with train sim I’ve waisted well over $300 on dlc 😅
Im on the same boat with owning both games but I'm liking TSW 2 on my Xbone X a little more sicne the scenarios aren't as buggy and the framerate doesn't stutter as much. On the other hand, I dont mind occasionally going back to TS 20XX since they have wayyy more routes and scenarios, steam trains and more advanced gameplay
I just want a train simulator with true, realistic accurate physics and long, heavy trains. Physics where the train doesn't immediately start moving when you increase engine power. I want a sim where I can have 200 rail cars and engine cars in the middle of the train if I want on long tracks.
Try “Run8”
4:58 No. So many people love it, it just has to stay. its historic now.
My #1 problem with the new games is you cant explore the full route and the #2 is the major lack of steam locomotives american/european/Asiatic. Heck the AC on the CSX is like trying to start the space shuttle and I stuck with the sd-40 and the GP they were much simpler to figure out.
Very well explained
Thank you i really tried to break it down
@@BluGames great, you may see my channel, i am a classic railworks addon builder, i have build some add-ons
Found this video looking up Train Sim Classic, because there's a bundle on Fanatical right now. TSC + 17 DLC for 12 bucks. Looks like a great opportunity to take a gander at this genre of sims to me right now, even though it may be old and may be walking on crutches by now.
With a deal like that its worth a try for sure
I am big fan of Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator games and I have been thinking on trying Train Simulator games and thinking on getting one for some time.... what scares me most is actually number of DLCs for games and how much of them are needed for nice enjoyment and complexity of games itself..... but thanks on short explanation.
You are very welcome unlike ETS you dont need ALL the dlc to really enjoy it. From train sim u just pick the few routes that interests you. And when u get bored with that then branch out and find more
I really wouldn’t worry about that mate the DLC’s are bigger than you would think doing all the routes and scenarios collecting all the medals 🥇 etc will keep you busy a while on each
As of now you can actually physically change the track or you can use the map. To change
Classic "Train Simulator" has one big and sad problem - The game engine only supports 1 core in the CPU.
Even on the producer's trailers you can see that this game has big lags... :/
Yea sadly
Nice review. Concise, clear and helpful. Thanks.
Glad i could help
Dovetail needs to add everything from train sim classic to train sim world because I want to be able to choose my route with different locomotives. Train sim world provides that but I want to be able to customize my own world and train sim world needs steam locomotives American steam locomotives and they need to focus on train sim world more than the classic but the classic gives you more of the basics and then play train sim world because it’s more complex and difficult than the classic
Yea would love to see that
wow! I saw you on DTG stream, you were operating a train (Amtrak?) in the US! Cool! I am subscribed now .. funny how I accidently got your channel recommended by Utube algorithms:)
4:05 Well, hello there Mr.Invisible Hands ...
One of the things they both have in common is having a CSX AC4400CW unit (if I think that's the right model unit) on the front cover of the games
On train sim xxxx the csx is paid addon
@@BluGames ok
The problem is that TS classic is a far better sim than TSW. Abandoning a game like that is a dumb move. If they would update the game it would be just as good as tsw graphically and better in every way.
If they update it they would break literally everything. So they would have to make a new game.. which is why tsw exist today
And is TSW 2 or TSW 2020 the newer one? And why on Earth is the DLC so expensive?
Tsw2 is the newer one
@@BluGames Thanks Blu!
In train simulator world you have to operate every part on the locomotives
Thank you so much for making this video! I just bought TSW3 and was very confused about what TS2022 was! Your video was very informative and greatly helped me make the right choice.
Thanks! I just got an Xbox and stumbled across TSW, and am loving it. Was poking around for Train Simulator info, and you are the clearest and most concise! 👍
I love the fact there is a video on youtube to answer every single question!
Yea u can learn anything
Train Sim World is pretty incredible. This may come across as minor but for the American locos I do wish there were better sounds by default
Its not minor.. its major and i agree.
Tsw was planning for opening their game for 3rd party dev but due to copyright issues their editor is never going to come out
Sad day
This was exceptionally helpful, even in 2024. Thanks.
Glad it helped!. Everything said here is still true actually lol
Man, I've been looking for something like your video for a whole week. Thank you very much! :D
Personally I will go for TWS2 since I'm not in to simulator that much and the graphics looks brilliant. I already have TS and it is to harsh for me. Always, in my opinion.
train simulator can get extremely realistic with mods and dlcs u can technically do any route in the world
What’s interesting is that they actually named it “train simulator classic” now.
Yep as they should! Much easier to understand
Thank you for taking your time and sharing. This was a great explanation.
No problem glad i could help
Thanks for your review, answered my question!
Thanks for the clarification!
You welcome
yes i hope see more on Train Sim World
Yep yep agreed
Thanks for the video man
Thanks for the very clear and useful explanation of the differences between the 2 games!
Glad i could help!!.. this was a burning question of mine when first getting into flightsim
I got train sim world 2020 and train sim world 2 and train simulator. I feel like they are all exactly the same really, just train simulator has more routes and trains. If your looking for a good train simulator with quick and easy routes then get train simulator world but if you want more realistic routes and more trains just get train simulator. Its all about preference get whatever looks best to you
yep its true
That is what i was Looking for, thanks man so much
You are very welcome
Hello blu!! I have been following your channel for a while and I really like your videos on trains. I'm a avid train sim user from back 2009 I guess... Thanks for making the videos I really enjoyed it... Also I would like to ask if u could do review or play through some UNION PACIFIC stuff like from DTM and Smokebox that would be awesome.... And once again thanks for entertaining us
I was actually thinking about doing this a while back but didnt get to it. So I will reconsider in the future
Still holds true in 2024. I recently purchased a dlc for train simulator classic. Still enjoyed it despite the graphics being worse than tsw.
Honestly the only reason I want to play this game is because I'm able to get off my chair and do stuff with the train. Maybe uncouple wagons and such. I don't feel like I'm glued to the chair. I feel immersed. Just like with bus simulator 18 for example. It's fun. It's entertaining to walk around your vehicle and do stuff with it.
the only reason i still cling to TSC is the existence of the big boy. if the big boy ever comes to any of the TSWs or even some other good train sim game im dipping out of classic
they are not geting rid of it due to it making much more
One of the best videos of the type I've seen. Thanks a lot. I was looking for the difference between TSW2 and TSW2020 which is really like wtf? haha.. Anyway thanks for this great comparison!
Glad i could help kinda
I've tried to get back into Railworks (Train Sim Classic) about a year ago and, for some reason after a few minutes I've had a memory error happen, this has also been an issue for many other people even the ones who have a high-end gaming PC like myself which lead to people giving Train Sim classic a bad review and not worth the money but, Railwaorks has had it's ,moments when it came to moding the game a little, aside from that Train Sim World series is more forgiving, seems Railworks issues regarding it's game engine issues won't be fixed anytime soon
Thanks Blu, this helped me out :)
Glad i could help
Thanks for this video. I had not heard about “TrackIR” before. Such a neat product. Maybe you could add a note about that in the video description? I wasn’t sure exactly what you were saying initially.
I think why ts classic is still running because it's the place for dtg to test dlc's that would eventually come to tsw. Just look at all of tsw dlc which already available in ts classic way beyond.
Good point
Train simulator id still running due to the amount of creators for third part content and more and more people coming to the simulator because tsw 2 is not a simulator
real ones remember having a railworks disc and box circa 2009
I absolutely love train simulator 😁 I had purchased a steam key for train sim 2013 since i couldn't find it in store... And automatically got updated to the 2021 version I remember when Microsoft train simulator came out in 2001 I had got it at Walmart it was so addicting I'd stay on till like 4 am driving trains 😄 but so far think I've spent about $92 on DLC from the new version 😅
Awesome video ! I already have TS 2022, do you recommend buying TSW ?
If theres a route you like yea
I have trains sim world, and train sim world 2 for PS4, PS5 and Xbox Series X.. I have to say I love the amount you can do on this game and the amount of DLCs that comes with it. That being said and surprising to myself the game runs the most smooth on PS4 over the rest.
I just wish dovetail would add the train simulator DLCs to console or even added to TSW2 like the Rockies Route and the Steam. Apparently a release is coming soon to bring steam and the horseshoe curve to TSW2 but I can't find if this will be strictly PC or applicable to all platforms. You definitely get more with the PC versions.
2:02 "Compared to Train Sim World, there's --"
Edited to prevent spoiling the surprise? lol
Man I wish there was a route creator on tsw, would like to try and make a friggin chalk river/beachburg subdivision route
Yea.. that would be a game changer
@@BluGames I agree big time
Cane Creek coming out next week, Union Pacific in Utah...... on console, hope Tehachapi Loop will follow 🙏
02:40 Yes, it can get annoying when your penalised and lose points for been on time at stations and been told you're late even when you're actually a little early. Unlike TSW2 from I've seen, in TS you cannot cross a red light even at the station. The game simply stops you right there and ends. It's best to make a save point regularly just in case you break too and miss a station going through a red light or your train for some reason doesn't go onto the next track when it was suppose to and derails or collides with another train.
Someday, I'll get TSW. I'd bought TS back in 2012 but not played much until recently now I have a better PC. Most retail disk versions of TS2012 where corrupt versions too I remember. Once activated you'd be notified and given the digital version for free as compensation. Strange they didn't do a recall or stop making a corrupt disk version. Not everyone had a good internet connection. I don't think TS will go anywhere soon. There are so many routes, even new ones are still been made. It has all the modding features and creation tools TSW2 doesn't have and a larger community. TSW2 will eventually take over once more routes in countries other than the UK, EU and US are added and they start supporting more creation tools. Most people new to the Simulator will likely go for TSW2 due to the improved graphics and looking better. Just remember it's a Simulator than a game. Either way, whether you see it as a simulator or a video game (competitive or for achievements), steam are always having 50% sales on these two so you could get both if you were to wait. The same with many routes getting sales almost every 2 months.
Does the classic have csx.
Yes as an addon route but not by default
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on telling Dovetail to let train simulator classic go. There is huge third party support off of steam, with a payware and freeware add-ons, which is currently not possible in tsw, as there is no way to get a third party train or route into the game, the best people can do at the moment is liveries. And, even if they do add a way to share trains and routes, they can never replace the huge catalogue that train sim classic has, both on and off steam.
yeh TS needs to stay.
what is the difference between train sim world 2 collectors edition and deluxe edition?
What if I don't really care about all the nitty gritty details of how to run a train, and I just want to make it go easily, and then enjoy the ride? and look at the scenery and the pretty train from the outside. Do any of these games do that?
Train sim world does that. That would be best for u
Thanks so much for explaining this so clearly.
You welcome!!
Each sim has it’s own pluses and minuses. I enjoy playing both but I’ve recently been playing TSW “Train Sim World” more as it has a smoother frame rate on my PC and offers just about all the realism that I require and then some. There’s no argument that Train Simulator has more DLC and I appreciate this especially as it models the New Jersey Transit North Jersey Coastline that I use to travel from my home in New Jersey to Manhattan. A major requirement for me though, is that both operate well with “RailDriver” which is a throttle controller that adds realism to controlling trains vs using just a computer keyboard. Either sim or if you can swing it, “both” don’t disappoint. Enjoy!
Ive had train simulator classic for 5 years now, and it's so costly and runs bad on my PC. just got gamepass and TSW2 and i fell in love with it, being able to walk around and the better graphics yet higher frames is so cool. I would play TS classic but the dlc's are just too expensive
Thanks
@@ItAbel-xy3xk dlc is not expensive it takes thousands of pounds to source and build assets for a route
Looking for the best most realistic train physics and the never ending open sandbox world, try Run8. Being able to run a road train that I build from one yard to another, flat switch or that consist over a hump, build a local then work industries with no scenery bringing it to and end is the ultimate in Railroad simulation.
All of that and you didn't mention whether or not either game has a career mode, or even what the game is about (other than simply driving trains).
Not really a career mode in either.. except for earning hold stars in TS which does mean anything.. no progression system
Honestly, I’d say Train Simulator is superior to TSW... here’s why
1. TSW has a frustrating lack of content.
2. TSW absolutely BLOWS TS out of the water with the graphical quality, and is USUALLY more realistic... the reason I still chose TS over TSW in realism is because of audio. Stock, both games have pretty trash audio. But there are endless mods for TS, considering it’s been out much longer. This is probably the biggest selling point for me.
3. Customization, you can make your own trains and routes.
4. Going back to audio, TSW REUSES a lot of its audio, which is quite disappointing. I’ve been playing TS/Railworks ever since it came out, and it uses a lot of the same sounds as well, expect it has a lot more to offer and the sounds do vary, for example the CSX GP40-2 has a different sounds than the CSX AC6000CW or CSX Dash-8, which is something TSW doesn’t do.
Summary: TSW is pretty mediocre in general, which lets TS rise to the top with its numerous amounts of content, better audio (with mods), customization, and more diversity in audio stock... thanks for reading! (This is also my opinion, and in no way, shape, or form is this meant to discourage readers or offend anyone)
Thanks for this!
Thanks, very well explained and well spoken in review cheers mate.
Glad it was helpful!
Is there a train simulator that works in VR? I would like to ride as a passenger. (I already have Derail Valley)
What is the diference beetwen Train Simulator 2021 and Classic version?
First started with Train Simulator ages ago by Microsoft on steam. Then one year when I loaded up it said it was now Train Simulator 20xx and my DLC would be carried over. From then it's been dovetail. Guess they bought it up and are trying to keep two similar products for a while.
This is very helpful, but how would you compare either of these to Trainz 2022? That is where I can't make a decision.
Good question
Trainz 2022 easily wins! They actually fix issues, for the most part...
Very helpful, thank you!
You are very welcome thanks for watching