In Defense of Parasocial Relationships
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- I, Doktor Skipper. Discuss Parasocial Relationships while addressing the positive and negative impacts.
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“But people can become obsessive and the parasocial relationship can become unhealthy”, just like any other relationships
we just gonna forget about dream's "face leak" and corpse husbands "face leak" and how their community's reacted stop justifying a this shit its pathetic, inspire to be better than other people not to be other people
@@JackVonDuripperMedia those are in unhealthy examples, yes their fan base crooked e line but are we gonna forget the millions of toxic relationships ppl are currently in or have been. If you wanna talk about extremes, let’s talk about extremes. We’re not going talk about the thousands of times ppl have murdered their partners? Every relationship can turn toxic real quick
Stans are fatherless
@@self_interestfor real, not everyone that grows attached to a social media creator is crazy and obsessed😂
The difference is that normal relationships actually have a real foundation - you two actually know each other. That can't compare to idolizing fucking strangers.
People (including myself at times) forget that parasocial relationships don't need to be romantic or obsessive
True
True that. The way I love one of my favourite musicians, I’d compare it to how a kid really loves and looks up to an older sibling. It’s a tie between that and platonic.
Agreed
It's because of the connotation of saying your in "relationship"
@@elsakristina2689 same that’s the one I have with my favorite musician I’d love to meet them sometime tho
Despite my absolute hatred for the bird in your pfp, I still love your content and am glad you're back
Don't diss the prehistoric bird
@@LorshZontek that's a shoebill stork it's not extinct they are still around for now.
@@LorshZontek no
@@okyep yes
Lol its ok man
Finally, a realistic view of the subject. The term parasocial relationships has been associated with toxicity too much whenever it is brought up.
If we think about it, any community surrounding any art/artist is simply a group of individuals who have formed a parasocial relationship centering around that art/artist. And that isn't inherently a bad thing. The common stance to take has just been to dismiss parasocial relationships as just toxic obsessions when it really isn't.
Only difference being nowadays the communities around artists or content creators are incredibly toxic. Regardless of whether it's the vocal minority or not they ruin the reputation of both the community and the person they're in a parasocial relationship with.
@@danialyousaf6456 That has always been the case.
This video is very well-done & balanced. I feel like it was all because of the MCYT that give parasocial relationships a bad rep. But it doesn't have to be that bad or unhealthy.
Mcyt is toxic so badly I want old mcyt back maaaaan
@mr freakout lol plus what happened after the car door
The responses to your Twitter inquiry that you highlighted are really interesting, they're all based on the assumption that parasocial relationships are by definition unhealthy and obsessive when that's neither necessarily the case nor exclusive to non-irl relationships
I'v said this before, but it was probably barried under a bunch of Nobody, Somebody comments but your Videos are a breathe of fresh air.
I think parasocial relationships are very okay with fictional characters, with real people, just take their persona, creativity, and their good will. It all about concepts in personalities to inspire and grow you.
I guess the issue is people hearing the term and instantly thinking of the hyper specific and largely negative definition created by Twitter mobs. The definition has been narrowed in those social circles without caring/ fully grasping its full meaning.
When I was a new foreign kid going to a school not understanding common social norms and getting bullied, I looked to youtubers even going as far as telling my parents that they “where my only friends.” While I cringe about it today they got me through some things and while it wasn’t healthy I’m in a far better place now years later.
In my opinion parasocial relationships are almost always good.
Maybe the problem isn't para social relationships. Maybe the problem is just...Twitter.
*Skipper has officially become a rantsona*
Before watching this video, I looked at parasocial relationships at a negative perspective. Now seeing on how people feel attached to a certain online role model's made me rethink my position on this argument. My only concern is how kids may not notice some people put on a act/character when the camera is rolling as they actually envy that persona and not the individual behind the act.
Super interesting video and honestly, I agree. I think a lot of the stigma around Parasocial Relationships nowadays is because the idea of being attached to an Internet personality is still so new in the grand scheme of things. People being attached to actors, movie/TV show characters, musicians and sports stars is so normal now because they have been around for so long. I think in the next 10 to 20 years we're gonna see a lot of huge stars rising up that give credit to Internet figures and it will become just as normal as being attached to anyone else in the media world
The fact that you have a shoebill profile pic already made me subscribe, you lay videos perfectly and dont just pump out content like "i dOnT lIke tHiS" you actually do the good and bad of the topic.
This was one of your best videos yet, continue doing what you are doing and you are going to blow up (just consistent, your quality is really good)
I never have thought this as these words you spoke, but even if I find my parents something to be looked-up-to, I don't necessarily seem them as idols if I want to be an artist. That is something I can only find outside of my family but that doesn't mean I view them as family members.
unrelated, but you've improve with your editing like a lot
awesome to hear that you're back
Does this bird man ever miss? Another banger
Personally they make me wish I could be around someone who I will never even speak to, in other words I feel they create a false feeling of friendship that instead bring about more loneliness
Hey, I think you misspelled “Vulnerability” at 8:17
As long as you know it's one sided and understand that that person doesn't know you exist/ will have a attachment to you like you to them, its fine. You can care for someone without them even knowing you, its in human nature. Being obsessive or having your life revolve around someone is unhealthy in any context. As a child you idolize your parents, and sometime in your life you will understand that they're not the idol your mind made them up to be, and that hurts and is normal, but how is that any different from finding out a content creator isn't as great as they show online? Of course you would defend your parents on something even if they're wrong, how is that different from 'stans' defending their favorite white boy every time people are mad at them?
I think radio shows are very similar to twitch streams with the casual conversational content and interactivity via call-ins. One aspect is just that the internet is new and scary, but the interaction is also a lot more frequent and intense
Skipper is criminally underrated
Brah, this particular one is Gold exceptionally well flow to the general upload.
Hi I agree with this vids main message but I wanted to say something about that last point on the MCYT, dream has denounced toxic stans on his Twitter multiple times
Surprisingly insightful
This is the first video I’ve seen with this angle on the topic, very articulate as always
I think it's the snapback effect of people always being super creepy due to our obsession with personalities we observe. But to just give a fun cringe story a certain bird you mentioned replied to a comment I left awhile back talking about how great his writing usually is and was for a festive event just for him to reveal that I hadn't done the bare minimum of reading the credits where a patron of his made it. So that was my only interaction and this story should tell you that if you ever get too deep that you should try to always remind yourself to chill out or your only interaction with them will be a story you wish you could forget.
Parasocial relationships are fine and healthy to an extent
Similar to regular relationships
Great video as always skipper!
oh my god this feels like a breath of fresh air coming from most other commentary youtubers *cough cough* pegasus...
I found you randomly on my reccomendations. Checked you our because of your pfp. IM IN LOVE MARRY ME/jjj
I LOVE SHOEBILLS SO MUCH
The parasocial relationship iceberg
I think you did a good job of articulately describing your position and honestly I agree with what you're saying but I have a real semantic contention that keeps me from being fully convinced. Mainly, I think you inadvertently contributed to the further flanderization of the term "parasocial relationship".
What you described early on, being inspired by somebody's work, being interested in somebody's artistic process, and even aspiring to be where they are is not a parasocial relationship. Having an idol you look up to isn't a parasocial relationship because you're not making assumptions about them as people and your like of them is mostly focused on what they create and the effect that media has on you. You like Breaking Bad but you're not all that interested in Vince Gilligan's dating life. Thousands of horror writers are undeniably inspired by H.P Lovecraft despite it being incredibly well known that he was a horrible racist even during his time. With examples like this, the people may have a profound impact on your life and you may really enjoy their work but in this case, the Art is separate from the Artist in terms of emotional weight.
A parasocial relationship is where that line between Art that profoundly impacts you and Person that profoundly impacts you are blurred. It's very specifically developing that one sided Relationship with somebody you don't know who's personality you're inferring from a podcast/twitch stream/piece of art they produce. Considering That version of a "person" a friend is what a parasocial relationship is.
When we frame it in terms of that, I find myself coming down a lot harder on parasocial relationships than you do. Being inspired by somebody's art, wanting to do the same thing as them, even being interested in their creating habits are all perfectly healthy ways of engaging with a person's art and as you say, necessary for people aspiring to those heights to reach them. But trying to infer their personality from that content is EXTREMELY sus behavior and that deserves to be called out.
Best litmus test for if you're in a parasocial relationship or not... let's imagine a scenario where you find out that your favorite artist is kind of a dick. Like, there's a vid of them yelling at a cab driver or leaving a receipt with no tip at a restaurant. Do you make excuses for their behavior, cancel them, or just shrug and move on? If the last one is your choice, you're engaging healthily with an artist's work. Otherwise, you need to really examine why that person you don't know's personal behavior is so disquieting to you.
I’m kinda glad that you are here justifying parasocial relationships to an extent, I’ve seen people who see content creators as father/older sibling/family figures in their lives.
yeah i have a friend who does it and she genuinely needs as her dad was terrible and abusive then something happened to him taking him out of the picture (i haven't been told yet) and she really just wishes she had a dad who wasn't terrible
i love the editing and all the cudi talk in this video
I want it to be put on record that i was here before 60k, 100k & 1mil
We are friends right? Right?
We’re friends I swear!11!1!11
I feel like Vtubers and VStreamers are missing in this subject
My favorite sad song is virtute the cat explains her departure
Glad you’re back!
Thank you, giant menacing bird man, for giving me a meaningful alternate perspective on my immediate predisposition on a topic and basically thump-checking myself. 😅🤟 I'm more educated by it, and I'm grateful for this parasocial relationship.
How much gameplay do you want
Dr skipper: yes
Man, you went super hard on the editing
To the point where I worry about your hard drive tbh
The title of this video shouldv been "Parasocial Relationships that dont cross the boundaries are fine"
i currently am studying graphic design and i can tell you right now that the original name is better as a name like the one you're suggesting is way to long and also less likely to get people to click
that doesn't mean the title is clickbait it just a better name all around
This was a really good video, you were a lot fairer than I was expecting, even with the title. I think a lot of parasocial relationship discourse is dominated by the existence of a minority of crazy stans. But it works the other way too, where "antis" are just as toxic and claim they hate so and so because they encourage a parasocial relationships, without realising they are what they say they hate. Both ends of the spectrum are a minority though and I think that gets forgotten because they're so loud.
I actually appreciate the parasocial relationships I've had because of how informative they've been. I think I'd be a horrible person today if I wasn't inspired by the filmmakers and youtubers I've watched. My parents weren't exactly perfect at their jobs, so learning what I have from people who seem to be genuinely good has helped me a lot. I still know they aren't my friends, but they have my respect and admiration.
$uicideboy$ is the reason i don't fear rejection they are the reason im alive
Lol the guy you censored out at 10:42 is one of my best friends and I gave him so much shit for it
This is a great video, thanks for talking about this. May I cite this and quote you in my thesis? (which is about the benefits of parasocial interactions and relationships)
Underrated channel
8:26 what a fucking minute I know exactly where that’s from
What the hell are parasocial relationship?
Guys the bird is called a ShoeBill
Bro why did you put schlatt in the thumbnail even tho he's in the video for like a second.
M O N E Y
@@ava_is_liquid I guess that's fair
Oh wow, ok well disregard my last comment on your video, haha I love to see that Shammy has influenced some1 love his style. Sad he doesn't upload frequently
Quite humorous will now subscribe
Best video i have seen since.. awhiiiile
Yea I remember that max million told his fanbase to talk shit on someone’s father who had cancer
1:26 I can’t stand when people do that. Like the instant it’s over: “WHAT DID YOU THINK???” can I digest it first damn
If anyone wants to know, the grey bird on the thumbnail is a Shoebill
My parasocial relationship has been posditive thankfully
Great fucking video man, keep it up
I think Parasocial Relationships is the wrong term. Technically it is correct, but the 'relationships' part implies that something is more personal than it should be. In other words, it's back linguistics. A healthy relationship between audience and celeb is one with a fair amount of distance. I can respond to this comment and even email me. But you're not to know anything about me in real life. Same goes for vise versa.
Watching this after Schlatt banned all the dream stans from his twitch
Fucking power move that showed he wasn't gonna let them influence his content.
Parasocial relationships is an other term content creators can just toss al there problems too. I dont have to take responsibility for my audiences its the parasocial relationship thats the problem
It's ok along It's isn't to the point of idolatry
I want to preface this comment that I didn't even know what a parasocial relationship was until I clicked on the video. I had no idea that this was a hotly debated topic, maybe not so much in current year 2023, but lets move on.
TW: Childhood Abuse. I dont go into detail about it but for the sake of clarity, I am diagnosed PTSD from my service in the military and childhood trauma. I've been taking recovery seriously for about a year and some change now, regularly going to therapy and I've never been more secure, safe and happy in my life. I encourage you to read this tho, as maybe it can give you some comfort, that not everything in this world is so foul, and that recovery and getting your life back into your hands, is always possible
I stopped to comment at an example you gave about the fake drunk dad and the spiderman kid scenario. For me, and I imagine many others as I am not alone in something like this, that was my reality. My stepmother is incredibly emotionally abusive, and until I was around maybe 14, she was physically abusive, altho she made it a point that even tho I was now several times larger than her (she's a small woman), she would still beat my ass. I know parents say that to their kids as like a "Why I outta" but with her, it was hard to tell if she was serious or not, so I always took her seriously. My only true safe space in this world during my childhood was in gaming. When I would play games, I wouldn't have to think about my trauma or abuse. I would just play video games. Even after I was left crying up the stairs to my room, I would turn on my Xbox, wipe my tears away, and play. My entire household did not give a shit about games, that was beneath them apparently, despite my attempts to bond with my family through the only thing I really knew. Later in life I would learn that this may have actually been a good thing. Because they did not care about games, I had access to a world they did not, and that allowed me to be truly alone with myself, and discover things about me that probably never would've came to light had my stepmother been more aggressive in her protest against my hobby. Anyways the most important video game to ever come across me was Fallout New Vegas. That game was like nothing I ever played before. It was my first open world game and first rpg. I was in love with the game. Something as simple as being able to talk to the NPCs was unheard to me, it broke new ground. Because of my situation at home, I was kind of a quiet kid in school with no real friends. I was very lonely at school and more so at home. But every weekend I'd wake up bright and early, and play New Vegas all day long. I loved the game so much I started talking about it in school and its how I met one of my best friends. We met in the 8th grade back in 2014, and still regularly keep in touch nearly 10 years later. Hell, when I visited my family in the East back in the tail end of 2021. I called him crying, begging for him to help me get a plane ticket to fly out of Massachusetts, as my mental health plummeted to the ground and I no longer felt safe around my family and couldn't afford a ticket on my own. I ended up living at his house, again(First time was when I ran away from home during my Junior summer, and never went back), for almost a year until I got my own apartment back in November. If it were not for New Vegas, I would not know my best friend. If it were not for my love of gaming, I would not know anyone I currently keep in touch with. If it were not for New Vegas, I wouldn't care about storytelling so much, and because of that, I would not have began to enjoy school as I would share gaming experiences with everyone I knew, and even have gaming be the subject for a few middle school and freshmen essays, which did well I might add. If it were not for my love of games, I would not be able to effectively cope at the time. If it were not for my burning passion to one day create something as special as New Vegas was to me, I may not even be alive. My whole purpose in life is to share stories and create. I gave myself this purpose, New Vegas helped me find it.
I bet that bloc of text may not have been coherent at some parts, but if I had to give my tldr, it would be that perspective is everything. Sure, on the surface, I may be a regular dude, who likes gaming, like everyone else. But if you ask me in real life why I like to play video games, you would probably get the same short answer I would give to people when I was a child. It makes me happy. Unreasonably happy.
I tried to keep the comment vague so you, the person reading this, could change the story to be what you want it to be. You may not love New Vegas, or even video games, but the subject isn't that important. Replace "New Vegas" with any noun that means something to you, and the point is still the same. Find something you love that gives you purpose, that makes you happy, that challenges you, that respects you. Your life is important to you, not everyone and not everything deserves to be apart of it. If that something important is as small as a parasocial relationship with a singular video game like me, that's okay. That's more than okay.
Well, my parasocial relationships are with fictional characters and 1 dead celebrity (River Phoenix. He was my favourite person in my teen years, i will love him till i perish) and people i've literally created into being from my painting then through AI. So, Cedric Diggory is my mental peace, along with my OCs. This actually helped me stay away from actually having a ps-relationship which i had with a Korean solo pop star. Thing is, his letters to fans, his smile, his personality, used to keep me alive when i frequently contemplated taking my life. But then i realised i am only going to be sadder the more i engage with his music or content, so, i moved away to fictional characters. Not that my life is great now, but it certainly doesn't rely upon a real person about whom i know nothing.
Hey man I'm planning to make a detailed video about commentary and tribal group thinking when it comes to RUclipsr worship and just social media in general and how it doesn't help many gain new perspectives. Hope you would wanna Collab ?
Sick video
HOLY SHIT THIS VIDEOS AMAZING
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Allah has returned PRAISE LAWD JESUS
it's not bad in concept, but like everything in life, it can be taken too far
200?
so true
I miss shamny sooooooo bad,
Ok
No
hey Doktor Skipper
Says the guy who profits from these relationships
More like, in defense of yo mama
i love you tho.
ayo make a reach review
Dude I have that relationship with u lol. I’d wana grab a drink with you 🤙🏽
Your jordans are cap.
>profile pic with a 80% chance that it was drawn by a furry
>popular youtuber defending parasocial relationships, which is literally preying upon the human need to be social for money and is thus, a blight upon the internet
>argument invalid
I didn't even have to watch the video to know where this is going. Disliked.
If you didn't watch the video did you even take the time to understand his argument?
@@Natalie-uc1kj nope. Not gonna give them my view. Thank god for the ad that played before the vid started too
@@Natalie-uc1kj it’s not much of an argument. It doesn’t go into depth on what PRs are and applies it to things that don’t really count. He also brings up things that don’t really have any reason being their like the death threat part.
PRs are bad because they make people think that they’re is no pain in human interaction. Which is why Gen-Z is completely socially inept or completely avoidant to social discomfort/pain.
This whole thing is being discussed because of a political decision. To throw politics out the window completely seems a little short sighted. Then, mentioning that you know nothing about politics. I'm not sure you understand the situation as well as you think you do. Most of it comes from your age & lack of interest in politics. These aren't bad things, but I feel like I'm listening to advice from someone who doesn't understand as well as I do.
Holy shit the shoebill youtuber
Para-social relationships are a normal and natural human instinct.
I’m sure that cavemen admired the strongest hunter of their clan, even though they didn’t actually know each other.
Isn't religion a form of parasocial relationship?
@@cactocrotone2645
Yeah.
@@rory6860Direct contact? That’s incredible.
What words have you heard in your head from him?
@@cactocrotone2645 no. But thag depends if you believe in god
I feel like stuff like parasocial relationships and the word "clickbait" are 2 examples of things that have been incredibly oversaturated to the point they lost their meaning.
Good video, good to see you back :)
I didn't know what the hell a parasocial relationship was till today but holy shit. Really good points man I loved it!
Yeah dude I'm glad you learned about it from a healthy, well researched perspective rather than just as a buzzword like many people do.
I think everyone has generalized a parasocial relationship as bad because of how many times dream and his friends have been on the trending tab on Twitter, but I think some people here have a basic understanding that parasocial relationships are ok as long as you don’t become obsessive
I think the biggest issues that come from parasocial relationships are that especially younger people tend to overthink the level of friendship they have with the people they enjoy watching. Often oversharing, being very into whats going on (the obsessive part) and then often going against anyone who doesnt like it. Its nothing new of course, kids be kids. We all were there. But with the internet being as big as it is today, especially with Social media, I feel things are taking over a bit too much when other things come up that put the creator in a bad light. Think of the "Dream Cheating" scandal. People AND fans wanted to know the truth (me included) and we recieved pushback from other fans for even daring to question Dreams integrity.
This is like saying "drugs are ok as long as you don't become addicted'
@@mddeii2065 I'm sorry to be rude but I didn't think generally don't understand the meaning of video so here 4:59 (Also sorry this is not good enough) also another example 5:36
Not being on the fence about this issue, but the yes/no answer is a false dichotomy.
This kind of relationship, as any other, has the potential of being toxic and dangerous while also being helpful and inspirational.
This is like me asking "are planes good?"
Of course they facilitate transport and connect the world together, but also 9/11.
Para social relationships are not by themselves something good nor bad, it's up for each individual to decide how their relationships are going to unfold and play a part of their lives.
Agreed
For the longest time in my life I've looked up to sam raimi's peter parker
Though my passions were not in writing or filming, I do one day want to hold the passion and quality sam raimi has in into my own creation
Very good video skipper, you’ve presented the hypocrisy around parasocial relationships in a clear and concise manner.
I agree entirely talking video shoebill. Btw where do you live? You look very majestic and I want to pet you. Also who is that dude in the hat and mask? He seems to show up a lot in the video.
I'm guessing a lot people who hate parasocial relationships think that they're only incredibly obsessive and delusional and never thought of the calmer side of simple idolisation
"simple idolisation" is an oxymoron. You shouldn't idolize other human beings. Celebrity culture is a disease.
Idolizing is bad, not role molding
Finally someone said it parasocial relationships like everything else is based on context and reasoning I don't think people hate parasocial relationships. I think people just like clowning on some wacky dream Stans who don't know any better
people only think of obsession when they think of the MOST extreme cases. sure, dream fans have some fucking weirdos in them, but more than likely, most of them are fans simply because they enjoy the content and the personalities. that's exactly why they are 'extreme', they're not that common. it's pretty presumptuous to assume that every dream fan wants to wear dream's skin like a jacket or something. i just used dream as an example, this applies to every online personality.