An Ex-Mormon & Ex-Muslim Compare Notes ft.
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- After an incredible conversation with @apostatealaddin about the purity culture he grew up in within Islam in Saudi Arabia, we realized there were many similarities between Islam and Mormonism. Join us today as we compare and contrast a full list.
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I think our ex-religions might be cousins 🤔 we have a lot of catching up to do!
Absolutely!! Lol until next time!
@@CultstoConsciousnesswe used to have so many Mormons coming to our house we were like do you know you have a tailbone like 🙈 monkeys ? Mormons were the only group who had multiple wives concept. As an ex Muslim atheist I am pleased to see you came out of this cult like us.
@@CultstoConsciousnessGreeting from Ex-muslim in Indonesia (the largest muslim population country)
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If the prophet likes a woman her husband must divorce her so that the prophet can have her.
King Saud University. The experts at translating the interpretation of Quran.
Sura / Chapter: Al-Ahzaab (33).
Ayat / Verse: 50.
Revelation Order: 90.
( 50 ) 16 Privileges available to the prophet only.
Tafsir Al-Qortoby:
King Saud University: The experts at translating and interpreting the Quran.
Privilege given to the Prophet:
1. الأول : صفي المغنم
The BEST of the booty goes to prophet.
2. الثاني : الاستبداد بخمس الخمس أو الخمس
Take a fifth of all the spoils.
3. الثالث : الوصال
Al Wasl (Continuing the fast through the night to the next night, without eating).
4. الرابع : الزيادة على أربع نسوة
More than four wives.
5. الخامس : النكاح بلفظ الهبة
Marry a woman that offered her self.
6. السادس : النكاح بغير ولي
Marry a woman without the presence (or permission) of a legal guardian.
7. السابع : النكاح بغير صداق
Marriage without payment.
8. الثامن : نكاحه في حالة الإحرام
Marry (and have intercourse) during a state of ritual consecration and purification.
9. التاسع : سقوط القسم بين الأزواج عنه ، وسيأتي
The annulment of oath the prophet may make to his wives.
10. العاشر : إذا وقع بصره على امرأة وجب على زوجها طلاقها ، وحل له نكاحها . قال ابن العربي : هكذا قال إمام الحرمين ، وقد مضى ما للعلماء في قصة زيد من هذا المعنى.
If his (prophet) eyesight falls on a woman, her husband must divorce her, and her marriage is permissible for him. Ibn al-Arabi said: This is what the Imam of the Two Holy Sanctuaries said, and what has passed for the scholars in the story of Zaid of this meaning.
11. الحادي عشر : أنه أعتق صفية وجعل عتقها صداقها
Release Safiyyah (from her captured status) and he consider her release as her dowry;
12. الثاني عشر : دخول مكة بغير إحرام ، وفي حقنا فيه اختلاف
Entering Makkah without entering ihram.
13. الثالث عشر : القتال بمكة
Fighting in Makkah.
14. الرابع عشر : أنه لا يورث . وإنما ذكر هذا في قسم التحليل لأن الرجل إذا قارب الموت بالمرض زال عنه أكثر ملكه ، ولم يبق له إلا الثلث خالصا ، وبقي ملك رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم على ما تقرر بيانه في آية المواريث ، وسورة ( مريم ) بيانه أيضا.
That he is not inherited by anyone at all. This was mentioned in the oath of absolution for when a man approaches death due to illness, most of his possessions are taken away, so that he does not have more than a third left for him. But the possessions of the prophet remained for him, as stated in the verse of inheritance and in Surat Mariam;
15. الخامس عشر : بقاء زوجيته من بعد الموت .
His marriage is still considered effective after his death (ALL his wives can NOT re-marry anyone else after his death. EXAMPLE: Aisha did not marry anyone);
16. السادس عشر : إذا طلق امرأة تبقى حرمته عليها فلا تنكح . وهذه الأقسام الثلاثة تقدم معظمها مفصلا في مواضعها . وسيأتي إن شاء الله تعالى
If he divorces a woman she remains prohibited to everyone and may not be married "Nikah," again to someone else.
Go to ex muslim shahil
Very Brave for speaking out. Don’t apologize for the mask. Stay safe.
Agreed 🎉
Being anti Islam in America is as brave as being anti communist it’s the default position in the us not brave
He gets a pass cause its for being anonymous
As an ex-muslim, I see so many similarities with mormonism. This is fantastic!
It always boils down to controlling women.
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Nope!
It boils down to controlling people. Everybody is controlled by the ones on top.
Hey get your thinking straight! Watch the clip again, she says that all at the bottom have to do voluntary work. Also we know that marriages are arranged and can do only with the approval of those on top and so on.
If you are part of any "ism" group you're no better then the religions on topic🤷
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You don't like the truth.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The truth doesn't go away by deleting a comment😂😂😂😂😂
I had to read that comment again, initially, I read that as meaning Women were the “controlling” ones. Control Over Women is a clearer way to say it, but I totally agree with you! (would add children to that as well)
@@christinebuckingham8369 there are no male victims of those organizations? 🤷
if the woman was a maid or a slave she wasn’t having “s3x” with those men. she wasn’t able to give actual consent in those kinds of situations of unequal power dynamics. it’s just SA at this point
So glad you included ex Muslim stories, we exist😊
It's beautiful to see ex-Muslims speaking up ❤❤
I know how hard it is for ex Muslims to speak up … huge respect to you ❤
Didn't know there was anyone who didn't think ex-Muslims existed....
Yes, we do!
We love you, we care about you, we even pray for you... we are just so afraid to "out" you, honey. ❤
We know it's dangerous for you, so we welcome you at YOUR comfort.
But know that we are all happy that you're here. 😘
I was talking to a Muslim co-worker. She tried the "missionary" thing inviting me to learn about Islam. It was uncanny. She used similar techniques that LDS missionaries and members use to covert people.
Be aware.
X2 and on top of that manipulated (the Qur'an) because I no longer see anything it says it is (the oldest Qur'an is 200 after Muhammad) @BertoKinawa
I love this guy! "Mormonism is like an MLM". Little does he know, Utah is the MLM capital of America 😂😂😂😂😂
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
All religions seem to have the same theme.."what I believe is right and what everyone else believes is wrong"
and abusing/exploiting women
And harshly discriminate people with other beliefs or no beliefs.
@@bastetowl3258when I went to my preacher for help with my first abusive husband I was told "you married him and we don't believe in divorce so you have to handle it" them reminded me that I'm not in control of my body or life anymore my husband was. I walked out the doors and never went back because the God I thought I believed in would not allow the bringer of life to almost get killed because I didn't cook my husband's steak wrong when I couldn't cook before we were married.
hinduism is the oldest religion in the world and it doesn't claim to be the one true religion- in fact, the concept that all different paths of faith lead to the same end is a core tenent of sanātana dharma :) ram ram!
True Christians don't discriminate against anyone @@charisma-hornum-fries
Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
I think I see an interesting parallel in that each religion (a) had a succession crisis upon the death of the original prophet, leading to (b) an original two-way schism between a faction led by the first prophet's direct heir and a faction led by a less closely related member of the group. (c) Both groups survive but the one that stayed "in the family" so to speak is (Church of Christ, Shi'a) is much smaller, while the group led by the charismatic non-relative has grown exponentially (LDS. Sunni).
Great points!!
I watched the rest on Alladins channel and I still want more!!! This is the best matchup (and I'm a huge fan, been watching for a long time). There is something about shelise sunny warm personality counterbalanced by Alladins careful deep thinking approach that I hope they do many more on all kinds of topics or double team interviews. And they are both such caring thoughtful people, it makes listening very easy. I didn't want it to end. More, please!!!!
Aww thank you!!! Ok we will!
I totally 👍 agree
Exactly my thoughts
Watch Nabi Asli, you will like his videos.
The Mormon church ended polygamy because the Federal government refused to allow Utah statehood until they abolished it
We get to see Apostatealaddin again!? I LOVED the last video. This gentleman is so articulate, intelligent, introspective, and empathetic. Such a wonderful gift this mam worked to cultivate and utilize in such an impactful way. Wow!!
Re: Joseph Smith referring to the Muslim text as "the al-Koran": One of the first translations of the book into a Western European language was the 17th c. French translation by André Du Ryer, and he called it "Alcoran." (The title page actually says "L'Alcoran," i.e., the Alcoran.) I know it was really influential on a lot of later translations, including some in English. I'm guessing it was still the normal term in English in the early 19th century, and why Smith used it.
Actually there was a translation by a medieval English monk but that was into Latin of course which was the literary and academic language at the time.
I have Mormonism to thank for getting me out of my cult. I used to watch the Cultish show from Apologia Studios on Mormonism because I found it fascinating and couldn’t believe how it had fooled so many people, and then one day YT suggested another video from them about my religion 😱 lol and that’s how I learned the truth and left the SDA church which also from around the same time as Mormon and JW churches and is very similar as well
As an ex-muslim, I've been waiting for a comparison between these two religions since I learnt more about Mormonism. Just on the surface level (polygamy, convenient revelations) there seem to be many similarities. In these short 40 minutes, I've learnt there are plenty more.
Definitely add Seventh Day Adventists to your lineup. I grew up in that cult. It’s maybe not the wildest, but it’s insidious.
Yes weirdly the only time I've seen it talked about and especially negatively, was of all things the gilmore girls
It is insidious I had a family friend growing up whose mom got so extremist that she become orthorexic and thought that if she didn’t use specific water filters and only watch SDA satellite tv, eat organic and vegan, that she was being worldly. She ran a day home and was always talking about how we were in the end times, mentioning the Illuminati, Freemasons, and she was full into the lady gaga, Beyoncé, and Michael Jackson backward satanic song conspiracy. It was a lot we all went to Disney world and she refused to come with us but her husband and kids did. It’s so intense
I'd love to learn more. I only know about the vegetarianism.
For some reason more pernicious and absolutely abusive cults seem to grow out of the seventh day Adventist church. Like the repulsive ant hill kids in Canada
Same
Growing up Mormon and also learning world history and world religions, I realized that a lot of the things I think are immoral in Islam are also rampant in Mormonism. I found it so ironic when a Mormon would express (justified) criticisms at Islam. Like, guys, Mormonism says that too. Mormonism practices that as well. It’s just different branding and a different target audience.
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Came over from AA's channel and subscribed. Thanks!
Welcome to C2C!
I firmly believe we have a Creator, and each individual can have their own connection with God. I also firmly believe organized religion has caused a ton of harm, and becomes corrupt over time. We don’t need a church to have a relationship with our Source. Love this channel!
Spiritualism leads away from God: into other supernatural beings that don't have their best intentions for you.
@@davidjanbaz7728I didn’t say I believe in other supernatural beings. I said I believe in God. I can call God our creator, or our source and I’m still referring to God. All I said was you don’t need a church or religion to have a personal relationship with God.
Yes, I believe the living loving word of God is written on your heart. Go inside. It’s not written in any book, or in any church. Meditation is not evil, that is a big lie.
From my understanding of the doctrine of the trinity is confusing for the way we think about 'beings' on earth. But trinitarians believe the nature of God must be outside of what a 'person' is as a human. The concept of the trinity is that God is one being, one God, but 3 persons. Not just 3 different modes and not 3 different beings. And not persons as in human bodies. But unique personalities/functions/roles. But one character, one divine nature.
Trinitarian doctrine sees the Bible describing God as Spirit and all 3 persons of God existed always. Jesus humbled himself by coming into a human body. Is not bound to that body, and he didn't have to be limited by a human body, but he chose to enter humanity for direct connection with humanity. We believe the roles of the 3 persons are different but equal, and the roles reflect the relational aspects of God, and also his full sufficiency in himself. Therefore, no need for a heavenly mother to create. It is a concept that sounds so supernatural. But isn't the idea of God supernatural already? So they take what the Bible says and interpret that to best of their ability based on scholarship throughout history combined with all the 1000s of manuscripts that have been found. It supports the idea that the nature of God being God in the way they see a true God would be, there couldn't be more gods than him. He deserves all the glory and control bc He's the Creator and beyond any finite thing we can understand. This is just from my understanding of the doctrine.
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@@CultstoConsciousnessur on the come up istg
I’ve been to the Mormon temple in the DMV area and approached by the younger sisters many times. I thought of joining the LDS. They were very nice. I did not know all these facts until today. Thank you Shelise! Thank you Aladin!
My shelf started to crash when, for curiosity, I started to try understand what Muslims believe. I heard what some people had to complain about the religion, and started to think Muslims where way too conservative for wanting their children to only get married to other muslims... then I was like "Wait! We do that too... 👀"
That made me think "I don't have to hear only the critics, I need to hear what muslims have to say, they are the ones who really know their religion. Just like us mormons"
That's when I caught my thinking about the woman with all that clothing and was wondering how could they do that, even when it's hot outside. So I watched a video of a muslim girl talking about their clothing, and how sacred it is for muslim women. She pointed out that people think it is a burden, but for them it's a privilege... So I thought "Oh, I get it! It's like our garments..." and the shock came... mormon garments are like muslim clothing, and people that are not mormon think they are weird, just like we think it's weird that muslim women cover themselves like that, even when it's very hot outside 👀
Realizing all this was the first crack on my shelf.
We have no choice ,we have to wear that black cover. It’s traditional not religious but either way no choice at all
I'm sorry but this is one of the mildest things Muslims do. I don't see Christians murdering their own children for leaving the religion on the regular. the worst I've seen is being disowned and even that's even rarer than being murdered on the Muslim end.
You won't even believe the amount of Palestinians that get Asylum in Israel for fear of their lives after leaving Islam. I've personally known 3 of them and 1 of them was kidnapped FROM Israel and murdered by her own family. they just aren't safe in Israel because it's too easy to get work permits and enter so this is usually a temporary step for them to get asylum in the west. Imagine how demented you have to be to launch a headhunt for your own family/community member
ALL of them were chased by their family and community.
The similarities of Ahmadiyya Islam are even higher, the sect started at a similar time, believes in a reforming modern prophet and has a succession of living prophets and a mandatory tithe with a different name!
Watched the I/v yesterday and so pleased to see another episode with apostate Aladdin… hearing from an (ex) Muslim man has been very interesting and a much needed perspective that needs to be heard. Thank you both for your insights ❤
As an ex muslim who once upon a time also lived in saudi arabia and had a price on my head by my abusive Islamic ex who was an Iman of a well known mosque i can totally relate.i became a Mormon there after but i left finding thebook of Mormon wonky lol.But i honestly must say that leaving Islam is not like leaving Mormanism unless it is the fundamentalist sect.Islam is pure terror and i ended up with a broken back and stroke due to a bleed on my brain thanks to the beautiful mosque men .Those days were long ago thankful.It was my children who suffered the most leaving Islam.❤❤❤
And now what is your belief or religion ?
I hope you are all doing well now.
Aladdin, you are so thoughtful at how you respond. Your English is flawless!
The similarities aren't coincidental. Late colonial and early constitutional era Americans, especially the well-to-do educated folks, were kinda obsessed with Islam, particularly the Ottoman Empire; you can totally detect it in the Masonic lodges from that time and going forward to today. It was a very Orientalist, "mysteries of the East" thing. No surprise if young Jo-Jo Smith read a bad synopsis of the Quran written by some powdered wig dude and built his new religion on that skeleton.
I love this idea of looking at similarities. I was a cradle Catholic but can also relate to a lot of this.
An important channel. Important to consider how hurtful it must be to be a woman forced to believe in this after life polygamy. Will totally subscribe.
Excellent, y'all are taking this conversation to the next level ❤
I find it so fascinating how there are similarities between every religion.
Religion is mankind’s way of trying to reach up to God by obeying him and performing good works. Repentance and a relationship with Jesus is the only way to God . Good works are not necessary for salvation, but are done out of gratitude.
@@Slewfy religion is mankind’s way of controlling the easily manipulatable masses. Hard to think about your fellow man and team up against those in power when you’re more concerned about pleasing the fantasy man who controls where you go when you pass on, when the imaginary rules are decided by those in power
@@SlewfyGood works ARE necessary. Religion is a death to God. God is Light .
I love that this is a platform for such interesting conversations. Thank you x
You two are so brave for this. Thank you ❤
Jay Smith DCI ministries absolutely destroys Islam using basic history.
shelise I am so happy and gratefull you are interviewing exmuslims this is so needed.
So many major Christian denominations as well as the Catholic church, and even JW, Mormons, and other Christian off-shoots have a hierarchy ranging from volunteers at the lowest level to highly paid leadership at the top. Because this seems so normal for Christians, its no wonder that many Christians typically fall for MLM schemes. This also includes Scientology that also has a hierarchical structure. Some Amish and Mennonite churches also have a similar structure. It really makes you wonder if religion in general has been used to corrupt since its inception, but also give order and structure to a complex world that by nature lacks order and structure.
I think when it comes to Christianity especially as someone who grew up Christian, we've never recognised a lot of those "denominations" as Christians😅 They've been described as heretics. This includes Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Church of Scientology, Jehovah witness, (idk if you've heard of it) the Zion Christian Church and Unitarian Christians. Even these big mega churches are full of heretics. Any "denomination" that adds or takes away from the bible and twists the message to benefit them is a heretic. The Bible doesn't point to us it points to Jesus. This is why, as corny as it sounds, every real Christian will always says "All glory be to God" despite their situation because we genuinely believe that everything points to God. They tie themselves to Christian but they are NOTHING like Jesus or the early church.
Religions are more about rituals than about ideas. And where there are rituals, there is a hierarchy.
I so enjoy listening to you too. Appreciate what I’m learning (even tho I’m atheist myself), but I appreciate the most you both can find humor in these tough topics as well ❤️
Was really interesting to follow your conversation here and on Aladins channel. Would love to hear a following part of your conversation. 👍🍀👍
Going live tonight!
The thought of having to spend eternity with ones dead relatives is rather mortifying. Heaven really isnt the selling point christians think it is.
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I think it would take a big man to recognise that it's not about fucking four women, it's about loving, supporting, raising, cherishing those women in the ways they require and want, and to understand and accept that he's not capable of doing that.
Ex muslim atheist im thinking of sharing my story on your platform one day
I love this collaboration so much! You two work so well together!! I appreciate and love you both so much
I love this series. A fascination with magical stones seems to be another similarity! It seems Joseph Smith used a stone to find the plates and the holy black stone (Hajr-ul-Aswad) in Islam.
Hi! Notth European Protestant (protesting against catolic view of worshiping and praying saints and acquiring salvation by donating wordly goods to the church - see Martin Luther)
I am understanding the Trinity as a power tool and depending on the current extension it can be seen as Father, Son or Holy Ghost. This might not be the official explanation, but it can be helpful.
That is really helpful!
Interesting!
A glass of water is a liquid, with heat becomes steam, with frigid temps becomes ice. Water has 3 different states?, yet it’s one thing??
I'm not anti-mormon, anti-muslim, anti-catholic or even anti-religion ... I'm anti-EXTREMIST and anti-abuse!
Awesome team up!
thank you for this video idk if you saw my comments but i have been WAITING FOR THIS!!🎉🎉❤
I was Muslim and Evangelical ans New Age. Theres always praise for people who are TOO dedicated
What is the core doctrine or who is the most important/influential figure of New Age ?
Thank you for sharing! Keep the mask, stay safe ❤️
Such courage. I cannot even imagine how you all have navigated this. But I have unwavering respect for both of you.
I learn SOOO MUCH EVERY TIME I watch one of your videos!!! Thank you both!! This is so crazy!!! It feels like we would realize how very similar we are, if we could just talk to each other openly!! Enter your genius!!! Thank you so much!!!
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Very interesting, thank you guys for sharing your views. I often only see the good side of religion shared so it's great that others are speaking out about the bad sides of a religion.
Shelise, i love your channel and your interviews but i think this is one of the most valuable videos you have ever done. 2 normal people comparing their understanding of the religion they have lived. Incredibly educational and eye opening for anyone in any religious position to see that other's are not all that different. I hope you have the opportunity to do more of these and they are shared far and wide. Incredibly valuable! (but don't stop your interviews!!! 😄)
The mask works FOR YOU on so many levels: it reminds people that what you're doing is very dangerous and that in many or most Muslim countries, apostates may suffer from violence, even death.
But along with the cap, the mask focuses all our attention on your eyes, which express so much good humor, amazement, sympathy to accompany your words.
Also it reminds some of us of that famous fighter for truth and justice, Zorro! 😃👌🏼👍🏻
American Christian here. I think I’ve observed that, if you leave Christianity in the US and criticize the religion, the maltreatment will be that Liberals will say you have a point, but are too strident about it. Conservatives will write books explaining how wrong you are and make a lot of money off them.
I have noticed many similarities between Scientology and the Mormon religion.
ex muslim here watching her face react to islamic nonesone 😂😂😂😂😂 its insane
LR - just some info on when faiths started.
• Judaism: Judaism is the oldest of these religions. Its roots trace back to Abraham & Sarah roughly 3,900 years old.
• Christianity: Christianity emerged from Judaism with the teachings of Jesus Christ approximately 2,000 years old.
• Islam: Islam arose with the Prophet Muhammad. This makes Islam roughly 1,350 years old.
• Mormonism: Mormonism is the youngest of these religions. Founded by Joseph Smith in the 1820s, it's about 200 years old.
I have been listening to many stories of many leaving Islam ☪️ religion, and I keep thinking it’s a lot like Mormonism.
Mormons and Muslims even sound a little similar😂?
M&M's
@@StrikeforceJedi Mormon boys are slightly hotter than the Muslim boys though
@@StrikeforceJedi Mormons in their proselytizing gears are yum
It's so important to have voices from all groups. No group can be above criticism. A friend is Muslim, grew up in a pretty secular, more cultural family in Jordan, so one of the more sane Arab countries. She as an adult put on niqab, but she would be the first to argue that a lot of people are harmed by it
I love Aladdin questions so in the point!
The Saudi and Emiratis are very feudal and wealthy.
I am just for myself (not expecting anybody still reading this days later) a little bit of credit for suggesting to you to invite Aladin to the podcast. The episode is awesome and I hope there will be an other episode with the two/bunch of y'all sometime. 💜
We did another on his channel then another 2 1/2 hours the next day on ours!
@@CultstoConsciousness yess! I am currently catching up on all of them!
I was at Sight City (international trade fair) with work, so I missed exactly those uploads. But I am so happy about these episodes and that you took the time to make so many together to get more into these interesting comparisons :D
The parallels between these two religions are super interesting, thank you so much for doing this collaboration. The similarities between Muhammed and Joseph Smith in particular are striking: a relative nobody claiming to receive secret revelations from an angel, professing prophethood and a mission to restore the one true religion, blatant retcons of the tanakh that make the prophet’s people more important than the jews, convenient “revelations” that let the prophet have whatever he wants, using prophethood to amass women and political power, followers using violence, establishing a theocratic state with strict rules governing dress and diet…
The main difference is that with Joseph Smith, we have records from contemporaries who saw through the con.
Such an amazing comparison, no idea there are so many similarities. Please keep going and finish the comparison s
New subscriber here!
Got here after Aladeen's live. No wonder it felt like I missed half the conversation even though I joined pretty early!
Also I finally got what LDS meant haha
Hey! Welcome to C2C!
So, Mormonism is a copy, so to speak of Islam?
Fascinating.
And if you look at older god/gods stories, all religions have copied some part of them. The reason? Because there are no gods and everything about them comes from human experience and imagination.
Great, necessary and brave work c2c and apostatealaddin❤
I did not know that my name Lemuel was in the Book of Mormon until I met a girl that ask me my name.
Lemuel is a king in the book of Proverbs in the Bible 31:4
Please continue the conversation!
❤🎉 Without lies Islam dies 😢😮
Why single out Islam? All religions are based on stories that are mostly lies, without the stories & lies religions have no ground to stand on.
Look into oneness or apostolic Pentecostalism! It’s the cult I left, it’s an extreme sect of Christianity with more members than Mormonism. It’s also non-trinitarian like JW and mormonism
I think the corruption started with people getting involved in religion itself, with the idea of trying to understand God by confining him to books or principles. When people tried to align God with their own desires, everything went wrong.
If God exists, I don't think anyone would have authority to talk to him or hear from him. I mean what criteria would that perdon meets. The mere thought that he is a men, of a certain race and culture. Says he is prejudiced because with that comes favoritism.
This is fascinating.
My favorite part is "Can I see your dog?"
27:48 Jane Elizabeth Manning James (1822 - April 16, 1908), fondly known as "Aunt Jane", was an early African-American member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and traveled to Utah as a pioneer. She lived with Joseph Smith and his family for a time in Nauvoo, Illinois.
Im an ex mormon and I’ve seen a lot of similarities between Mormonism and islam and Jehovah‘s whitenesses
What a topic
OMG. I love it. This is wild.
Keep up the good work Shalise ànd Johnathon.
Thank you!
must have been a good time for Jane Manning James after she died and realised Mormonism wasn't true and she wasn't Joseph Smiths eternal slave...
I read an article once where was mentioned that Josef Smith, met a group of Muslims and was initially interested in islam. He learned about it and then started his own religion and I always thought that he stole many of his ideas about Prophethood and having multiple wives from islam.I am a Muslim and intend to stay that way.
I grew up in Utah. Married in the Mormon church. I’m a ex Mormon. Regret joining the church. Mormonism is a lie. Your not born in the church you get treated like crap
True. My mother was inactive mormon, married a Catholic, and I got baptized later. We weren't mormon royalty, and I always felt like an outsider. Also, this was in Mexico, so even there, shunning exists.
They want to recruit you in the LDS church. Soon as you are baptized they shun you because you weren’t born in the church. I’m divorced. My ex wife cheated. Then she ran to the church and lied said I was hitting her and cheating. I did not once lay a finger on her. I think it’s wrong to hit a woman. I told the church members that . She did all this to justify for cheating. Her family got mad at me because I would not go on a mission. So she cheats . Your born in the church your protected . Your converted they don’t protect you . Once your accused they believe the one falsely accused you something you did not do. The church bishop harassed me so the other members. Put her new husband’s name in the text messages to my phone. They think their protected for gods rather their wrong. I will not date and marry a Mormon again
Thank you for reaching out to Ex-Muslims. We are the most marginalized community in the Muslim world.
The best explanaton I ever heard of the Christian trinity is this. A man found a rough pottery bowl and placed three drops of water in it. The drops clung to the side of the bowl, each drop representing the holy spirit, the Father, and his son, Jesus respectively. The man shook the bowl and the three drops joined at the bottom of the bowl. How was one to tell where one aspect of the trinity began and where it ended?
There is a difference between Traditional Islam and Quran Alone Islam.
both are dangerous
Aladdin says that Islam doesn't have much esteem for Mary, but she does have some significance. Mary is the only woman mentioned by name in the Qur'an. In fact, Arabic often refers to people as "ibn ___" (son of ___), and Jesus is referred to as "Isa ibn Maryam", or "Jesus, son of Mary", which is incredibly rare to use the mother's name and not the father's. The Qur'an also has a much different birth story for Jesus than in the Bible, which is in Surat Maryam, or "The Chapter of Mary". Still, this was a great conversation!
You're right. I guess I don't see that as significant (despite it being significant compared to how little women are mentioned). Muslims don't mention her in prayer, nor is she viewed as a major contributor to the religion. As a muslim, i only heard of her in the context of "virgin mother of prophet jesus"
@@ApostateAladdin I have never been Muslim, but I studied Arabic and lived in Egypt and Senegal for a few years. I remember reading snippets of Surat Maryam and Surat al-Baqarah in class for practicing our Classical Arabic comprehension. From my perspective as an ex-Catholic, the Muslim treatment of Mary is very, very different, and it was always a topic of conversation in our classroom.
Yes! I was thinking about this about this topic 🤔 was the inspiration from the collective subconsciousness😮
Interesting, I never joined a church but my mom taught me Christianity when I was a kid and I definitely remember saying “oh, so if Jesus is God’s son and we’re all God’s children, then Jesus is everyone’s brother” and she didn’t think that was blasphemous, she just agreed with me!
Most people who were brought up in the Christian religion have left. I was brought up in the church, could not understand that Jesus is the son of God, or the Trinity, or communion, . I learned meditation. I understand who Christ is and his mission now.
Are you sure, though? Because Jesus was a butt. Breaking families and claiming he was god.
I’m curious if Alladin had listened to an ex-Muslim RUclipsr called ‘GiveLight’?
Its about time someone highlights the many simularities between these two cults. God bless you ma'am.
Such a good set up! I have been thinking about similarities between the prophets hoping that one day you would compare the notes.
one of the major reasons for why i decided to follow sanātana dharma (hinduism) is because it's the only major faith that doesn't claim to be the one true path. it's also the oldest religion
I’m only 15 minutes in and I have to pause to make this comment. In Shia Islam there is a succession of Imams that issue rulings to make sure the religion is followed correctly in modern times. So they are similar to the Mormon prophets
Well, it's sad that he has to hide his face. I guess you can come in easily with sweet talk but you'll be marked ☠️ forever if you exit it.
There are great AI voice modifiers which you could use to edit posted vids to protect his voice. I hope you did this.
He has his own channel where he shows his voice :)
Having the need for that, as a religion, should bethe 1st clue that sth. wrong. Instead it really tends to draw ppl, right?