Remember kids, if you want to properly understand the story there are 2 things you can do, waste 100+ hours of your life, or watch someone waste 100+ hours of their life. Pick your poison.
ummm, it isn't hard to understand Fate plot tho. At first i thought it'll be complicated but after watching Fate Zero,Fate SN,Fate SN UBW, and Fate SN HF I realized it wasn't that complicated
How to be a Saber: shoots laserbeams Archer: throw something Lancer: dies Rider: ride anything Caster: have a saber obsession Assassin: deadly but not silent Berserker: scream loudly
Shirou was Nasu's venue to deliver his recontextualized philosophy. If localized correctly, it should have read like "Just because your logic is sound doesn't mean it's the ethical choice." Idealism values altruistic hope. Cynicism values brutal honesty. By archer even existing as a servant, it already gave shirou the upper hand as if the throne of heroes considered him one then his dreams are a success
But EMIYA made a contract with Alaya to become a guardian. He’s not a legit hero who dies with his own legend, it’s almost impossible for new heroic spirits to made in the age of man.
@@helios2664 I'm a bit late here, but that's not totally true. It's just that the more your legend is ancient and important, the stronger it gets: an ancient myth has already proven to be able to withstand the test of time, so it is able to create stronger heroes. Take Frankenstein in Apocrypha, for example. She's a spirit born in the 19th century. So, despite the fact that she is the protagonist of one of the most famous tales of our modern times, she wasn't very strong. Heroic Spirits born after her are still "in the making", so it still isn't possible to summon them. That doesn't mean that they won't be summonable in the future though. That being said, there are definitely way less myths these days, so the potential to create heroic spirits is still reduced. There is also way less mana in the world, so it is harder to perform feats so impressive that they get passed down through the generations. Still possible though. Case in point: Jack the Ripper. Her legend started to take shape in the *20th* century, and yet she's still relatively strong.
@@1337b3nnyvav00m yeah hercules alter is overpowered as frick, instead of his lives, all his extra lives got turned to their own noble phantasm based on the deeds he has done, and he regains his sanity
That boi Shirou went from fixing ACs to folding a god-tier servant in a week lmao. Also the amount of jokes and hidden references in this vid had me rolling, nice job man!
@@ay00wtf Nah, archer was really just built like that, and gilgamesh is the ultimate jobber. The weaker gilgamesh's opponent is, the more likely he is to miraculously fuck it up
@@LunarEquinox God All of you Rin Tohsaka, UBW and Tsundere Fans are pure Absolute HYPOCRITES!!! You all automatically consider and demand that others consider Rin to be Best Girl simply because she is a F@#%ing B@#$%y TSUNDERE!!!
@@ay00wtf Mf will say plot armor despite the story straight up saying that ubw is a perfect counter to GOB and gil's arrogance being a major weakness to him.
This isn't necessarily directed at anyone more than it is a general statement I do want to mention that any time it seems like the show keeps giving Shirou 'plot armour' it's usually explained in the VN. For example all those times you see Shirou survive miraculously is because you don't see any of the 40 different Bad Ends that can happen in the novel, and with something like beating Gil the best way to explain it would be "Would you use a nuclear missile on an ant?" which was Gil's thought process during the fight. The fight in the VN was generally just much shorter with Shirou giving Gilgamesh pretty much zero time to gather himself and basically stayed on his ass the whole time, overwhelming him. Sorry for the long comment lol, I'm just a huge fan of Fate so I can't help it sometimes lol, one more thing I wanna say though: PLEASE PLAY HOLLOW ATARAXIA AFTER HEAVEN'S FEEL PLEASE IT'S SO GOOOOD (HA is the direct sequel to F/SN)
@@LunarEquinox No problem! I wanted to make that comment as I often see anime-only fans of Fate misunderstand Shirou's character because the anime adaptions unfortunately don't do an incredible job of adapting Shirou's character in the VN.
@@sirasit123 it's not really that surprising. Although after reading the novel I'm upset with some of the crucial stuff they skipped it's not easy to cramp nearly a 100 hours of text into an animation adaptation. Going the show dont tell route was probably the biggest mistake since it cause ppl to misunderstand the characters more especially Shirou
Actually was rewatching this and thought about Rin's statement of lancer being servant or not, at first I thought yeah that's kinda stupid that she says lancer is servant or not, then realized wait... Don't we have people in Nasuverse who aren't servants and have crazy clothes plus crazy weapons lying around in their hand? At first Bazzet came to mind and then some Melty blood characteres... So yeah, every fate dialouge can be analyzed in some way and you'll get so much info out of it if you did your research or just looked up at the subtle nuance in between.
@@LunarEquinox Sorry for being a party pooper Ik it was satire but I just felt like mentioning it XD "my Fate fan boy blood just intensified for a minute". I had fun with the video, hope you make more.
@@LunarEquinox oh by satire I meant the video, the thing I said was completely true (blame my fate fan blood for being a party pooper) but I enjoyed the video nonetheless, and I recommend you to also watch deen stay night(2006) cause they added "funny" elements here and there.
"the fan fanbase thinks Shirou isn't a good protagonist" huh? The general anime fanbase doesn't like him but the fate fanbase adores him because those who read the VN suplex those who don't in any discussion where he gets brought up lmao.
When people say shirou isn't understood, it's not a meme to deflect from him not being written well like some other main characters in fiction, but because most of his justification and personal nuance come in the form of his thoughts and monologues that you the player are supposed to be spoonfed throughout the routes that just either don't exist in the anime adaptions or are severely reduced. Relying on "show don't tell" is probably one of the biggest misfires of all of the fate stay night anime adaptions when the visual novel relies so heavily on how it relays not just shirou but the entire cast. The entire cast is largely mischaracterized due to the adaptions messing up the subtle structure of the story(and zero itself changes certain characters based on its own version of the story like saber and kirei which doesn't help matters) For example you started with zero which is already an issue which I mentioned in passing. But then you went into ufotables ubw 2014, missing 1/3rd of the whole story on the face of it with a lot of critical content that the actual plot assumes you know, but ufotable is trying to fill in with zero information that doesn't really work very well because zero is only partly a prequel, and only meant to be seen experienced after you know everything about fsn. So characters in anime form are just kind of standing around doing nothing in particular or not really relevant at all when that couldent be further from the truth. I know it just sounds complicated just tldr ; how the content is portrayed anime wise is not how it was originally meant to be consumed and is not portrayed in that fashion, so is largely seen as fansevice for Japanese fans who have read the novel and not an actual substitute for it
Gotta love how all three routes are made in different genres: Fate route is heroic ballad. UBW route is shounen anime. And HF is WTFAAAAUUUHHHHHHGODWHATISHAPPENINGHELP
Fate route is more like romantic story between two really similar people who is trying to convince each other on giving up their goals cuz they thinking they are stupid.
@@user-tp6gz7dp3v for me, it was a bit more complicated. Shirou fell in love with Saber; he didn't want to lose her (as she wanted to go back to her time and change the past). Many times he explained to her that past shouldn't be changed because it will be a disrespect for those people who went through all those aftereffects of the civil war, grieved and moved on (kind of same story as him being a victim as he also survived the 10years ago fire but many died and he couldn't save them. He regrets but that doesn't mean he'll change the past).
One thing I liked about Fate route compared to other 2 routes adaptation is that Shirou himself fell in love with Saber, and as the story proceeds Saber too fell in love with him as they shared something in common, they had a mutual understanding. But in other two routes, Shirou just got dragged to both the girl's romance because he's the protagonist and the only male guy in the whole series to be kind and useful to them, and Shirou wasn't even ready for that yet he just surprisingly agrees to their proposal without showing a proper and strong reason as why he accepted. ( he was like: 'ok got it I accept, put me into your harem' )
@@scares3859 yeah i know.But the key word is THINKING here.So in the end Shirou wants her to live here in the future,and Saber wants him to erase the tragedy in order to release himself from his regrets becuase she knows how painful it is to live with them.But they both didn't pity themselves they both was thinking about each other first and foremost not realising they feelings towards each other.And i am not talking about romantic,i talking about them being hipocrytes becuase they expecting from each other the most difficult thing for themselves--care about yourself.
@@user-tp6gz7dp3v tbh, it's a nonsense that shirou came up with the idea of having saber as his Partner. Though I won't oppose it because he was just a kid, fell in love for first time. As the story proceeds, he gradually understood her motives, her feelings, and at the end he made a better and mature decision of letting her to finish her mission, Hence, letting her soul to finally rest in peace. It was a good ending.
Saying that the characters are underdeveloped is actually pretty fair. This is one of my favorite anime of all time and even I would say that it takes going through all three routes of the story to understand each character fully.
0:19 Actually that line isn't nearly as dumb as people seem to think it is. When Shirou says it, he's effectively saying when a person is killed, they die in the sense they don't come back killing them erases them from existence permanently. That might not sound too profound but considering he's saying that in a world where Death is typically cheap it actually has a bit more weight to it.
I think it is a bit different. He is refering to himself if I am not mistakend. He has survived multible deadly injuries because of the sheath of Avalon. When he tries to give it back to Saber she does not want to exept it but he sais this line to convince her. But even in context the line is still very stupid because there are so many ways this could have been worded better.
@@shaifs5072 uuuuuuuuuhhh *remembers all the times when Shirou dies CAUSE of Avalon’s healing going overboard* Guess I’ll forget all of that. Also no. Instead of how it reacted with Kiritsugu, and Saber when used. With Shirou, it just rapidly stitches his wounds together with swords, making the part that was injured more durable. Which also explains how he didn’t get his ribs turned to powder from lancer football kicking him around before saber could jumpstart Avalon’s rapid sword stitching. But besides making him both regenerate, and has his ‘steel is my body’ line VERY literal. Unlike everyone else, it can also kill him!
@@destroyercreater98 that’s UBW going overboard, not Avalon. Avalon doesn’t heal, it restores. This is revealed in Fate Route when Shirou sees his wounds reversing.
`.. he's effectively saying when a person is killed, they die in the sense they don't come back killing them erases them from existence permanently. ..` This anime literally features dead people coming back to life.
I love how this video pretty much breaks down the plot in such simple funny terms 😂 and yeah the anime's main issue is that they replicate scenes from the novel but lack some of the context. For example when Archer faced Caster he(Shirou) basically tells Archer to get lost because "he'll handle it hinself" (lol) but in the VN he immediately has another inner monologue admitting he's a hindrance to Archer and that he wouldve escaped the temple already if it wasnt for him being so useless at the time
It sucks that most people don't get into the series in the best way through the visual novel...but I hope you take the time to read it at some point. It's very transformative to the overall experience of the nasuverse. I'd also eventually recommend tsukihime and mahou tsukai no yoru, and Kara no kyoukai as they are also key to fleshing out the nasuverse world as well
I started with Fate Zero and I’m glad I did as it completely hooked me to this universe and has the simplest to introduce it to you easily. I’ve been reading the visual novel and it’s great but goddamn it’s looooong. Been reading it in small bits here and there after getting it almost a year ago and I still haven’t even finished the Fate route. I wish I could just skip to HF as it’s the one I’m most interested in as I can tell from the overall short runtime of the films that a lot was probably cut.
@@pearsemolloy9656 a lot was cut from the entire fate stay night. If your just reading because you want to get to hf I'd just stop if your not enjoying the other content. Its not gonna make it better for you
Prisma Illya starting from season 3 unironiccaly is actually pretty good......i would say it gives me some madoca magica vibes (especially in the manga)
People always seems to misunderstand, that ufotable has the same project budget as most any other studios, they just have the time and Good work environment to work without any tension or stress whatsoever.
From what ive heard from those who have read the VN Shirous thought process is dominated by Survivors Guilt which isnt very well established in the anime (obviously as a lot of its in his head) he is a much more interesting and less annoying character if you watch him with this context
Lancer is way too underrated, he lasted the longest out of anybody against gil apart from the final confrontation and in another ending is forced to kill himself.
Just want to say that by technicality. Kirei isn’t a master in this war. He killed Bazett, the Original master of Cu right as he was summoned and turned him into his Dog before neutering him by running away whenever his Really easy to use again NP that always strikes the heart doesn’t kill. Even though he could just…. Use it again, then again, then again, Then again! Then again! THEN AGAIN! (To get a better grasp on how cheap it is for him to do it. Shirou could give him enough for one or two per fight if he’s back at full per )
Original Fate Stay Night is for those new to the series. It does a good job of explaining everything and has the original story arc that every other movie references. Also it’s the only one that has Saber as the love interest to Shiro, and that’s why it’s my favorite. (Fate Zero is also a good starting point).
Ye never understood how Archer just dies right in front of you and somehow lives. I don't remember if the VN explained it or if it's just the whole "they didn't actually die" meme and honestly it could have been actual counter guardian archer at the end there doing his thing. Either way I've just learned to accept it.
Honestly it’s pretty bullshit in the VN too. I love this story quite a bit but my biggest complaint about it other than the pacing is that each Route has some form of asspully bullshit that makes no sense.
3:52...Saber is pretty magic resistant...So did Medea change her clothes with magic,or did she do it physically..and if so..did she take high quality pictures?
Shirou: Red is Sus! Archer: What?! How am I Sus?! Shirou: You literally tried to murder me multiple times! Archer: That's because you're completely Sus! Gilgamesh: I wonder when people will realize that I was the Imposter the entire time? Caster: *ignoring everything and banging her master*
The only fate series you have to mandatory watch is fate stay night, unlimited blade work and also the heaven feels trilogy the other series you can watch in any order
Ye, literally every servant was fought off by him, Cu even said he wouldn't want to get into close combat with him, Cu, one of the top 3 strongest servants in FSN, did not want to mess with him
My head canon for Archer coming back at the end and nailing Gilgamesh is that he DID die as a Servant, but came back as a counter guardian due to gilgamesh's plan for essentially massive Mortal Culling
0:36 Well, he kinda picked her up before the HGW, he just never noticed. Also, it's UBW, so it means it's Rin's Harem, not Shirou's. So more like "Is it wrong to pick up suicidal idiots in a Holy Grail War?", I guess. Rin's words, not mine. 4:24 Eh. Missing Ryoga, there. Zoro wishes he had as bad of a sense of direction as Ryoga.
Yeah they did Kirei, Cú, Madea, her master who clapped saber & Gil bad in this show, especially Gilgamesh like what happened to your precognition ? Or your impenetrable golden armour ? like didn't you have a frickin alien fighter jet, but nah he proceeds to get boned by shirou's sword Though somehow shinji just cries "we we we" all the way home..
The armor is not much of protection. The VN is explaining everything better. Basically, Gil REFUSED to go all out against Shiro, because he was an ant on his eye. Until he realized that Shiro was about to beat his ass, but it was too late and Shiro dis-armed him. No, i don't regret that joke
So you’ve made the mistake of assuming a bunch of stuff. Archer Gil’s precognition is basically never is use. He sees the HGW as a game so he doesn’t use it. Also it’s not the future he sees but all possible futures so he just dismissed the one he dies because of his ego. Veema his space ship is fucking exploded. The golden armor and literally 99% of what he does never used in UBW because he thinks Shirou isn’t worth is. It’s more than just a physical battle it’s an ideological one as well. If Gilgamesh uses any of his true power he’s acknowledging that Shirou, a fake, is able to match the original. That’s something that is unthinkable to him, so much so that it costs him the fight
Death Wish: No Seriously How Many Times Can Shiro Get Folded made me think of the Heaven's Feel Trilogy. Yes I know he gets buffed but even his buff ends up folding him lol
Sakura Is So Comfortful She’s Perfect and Beautiful and Innocent and Perfect She’s Incapable Of DisComfort, She Can’t Be Harmed, Her Innocence Can’t Be Lost, She Can’t Feel Bad, She’s so Perfect She’s Always Happy! *DON’T PLAY HEAVEN’S FEEL* *DON’T WATCH HEAVEN’S FEEL* *DON’T WATCH IT* *DON’T* *DON’T LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN* *You May Not Like What You See…*
Id give it 7.5 for many reasons but this video was amazing and gets a 10 from me and yes I refuse to waste hours upon hours reading the source material
I've been stuck in the fate hole for years, and UBW might be my favorite route series (not because I'm a rin simp hahahaha..) and you did an excellent job! Really funny while at the same time being able to explain its flaws.you get a sub from me 🤝
I know most of people dislike Studio Deen's Fate/Stay Night (especially after the Ufo Table ones), but I still love it because it was my introduction to the franchise... And the music... Unforgettable the last moments of Artoria with "La Sola" in background ❤ "Can you see it, King Athur? The continuation of your dream?" 💔
I love ufotable because without them I would've never became a fan of typemoon BUT I dislike ufotable's style for adapting fate because they go more "the rule of cool" route with everything they did in ubw and HF. For example the scene where caster is holding taiga hostage, in the VN the stakes were vastly higher because taiga was straight up in casters arms while IN shirou's house while in the anime she's dangling from red string and they easily could've devised a plan to save her
This show will forever be my favourite anime. Yes there's a little too much talking and some wonderful characters don't get enough development, but the way the story perfectly clicks together is what does it for me. Everything lines up symbolically, metaphorically and logically. Shirou's power scaling is utterly sublime, Archer is a perfect use of the "Future Self" Trope, Gilgamesh is a fantastic villain and the waifus are immaculate (Rin, Caster and Saber). The animation and music are perfection and story is just super tightly written, especially near the end, (At least that's my opinion) and I love it to pieces. However, even though it's my favourite anime, I could only give it a 9.5. The only anime I could give a 10/10 to is Monster Musume.
UBW was alright. Better than Stay Night but not as good as GOAT/Zero. Shirou was more bearable until he had that big conflict with himself, then it was as bad as Stay Night.
4:38 Nah, he actually dies. The one that appears later is summoned by Alaya, I'm pretty sure. I mean, if Shirou died, then Counterguardian EMIYA wouldn't be possible, and Alaya wouldn't want that.
Hey, what your thought about FSN Visual Novel/realta nua Last Episode? Btw in Last episode (or you can call it a secret ending of fate route, becuz you need to finish all 3 route in order to unlock this secret ending), it will tell you about story of shirou (Fate route) after holy grail war ends. You can search it on youtube...
Remember kids, if you want to properly understand the story there are 2 things you can do, waste 100+ hours of your life, or watch someone waste 100+ hours of their life. Pick your poison.
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ummm, it isn't hard to understand Fate plot tho. At first i thought it'll be complicated but after watching Fate Zero,Fate SN,Fate SN UBW, and Fate SN HF I realized it wasn't that complicated
@Veneser Aban oooooh.
Definitely Unlimited Budget Works . That animation with the CGI, Ufotable's always flexin' on us.
Emiya Shiro will get rich in no time if he makes a craft man industry and sits on the ceo office 🏢
They are about the only studio who has their own internal CGI works so while the production costs are similar the amount of integration is insane.
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How to be a
Saber: shoots laserbeams
Archer: throw something
Lancer: dies
Rider: ride anything
Caster: have a saber obsession
Assassin: deadly but not silent
Berserker: scream loudly
I wonder if a servants Riding skill would be a factor in bed.
@@Makiosaa queen medb is a perfect example of that
@@Makiosaa I mean in the VN I think medusa rode shirou
@@yourashi9082 did you guess that or is it canon 🤔
@@scares3859 I think there's a h scene of them
Shirou was Nasu's venue to deliver his recontextualized philosophy.
If localized correctly, it should have read like
"Just because your logic is sound doesn't mean it's the ethical choice."
Idealism values altruistic hope.
Cynicism values brutal honesty.
By archer even existing as a servant, it already gave shirou the upper hand as if the throne of heroes considered him one then his dreams are a success
But EMIYA made a contract with Alaya to become a guardian. He’s not a legit hero who dies with his own legend, it’s almost impossible for new heroic spirits to made in the age of man.
@@helios2664 "But Heroes never die!"
@@helios2664 I'm a bit late here, but that's not totally true. It's just that the more your legend is ancient and important, the stronger it gets: an ancient myth has already proven to be able to withstand the test of time, so it is able to create stronger heroes. Take Frankenstein in Apocrypha, for example. She's a spirit born in the 19th century. So, despite the fact that she is the protagonist of one of the most famous tales of our modern times, she wasn't very strong. Heroic Spirits born after her are still "in the making", so it still isn't possible to summon them. That doesn't mean that they won't be summonable in the future though.
That being said, there are definitely way less myths these days, so the potential to create heroic spirits is still reduced. There is also way less mana in the world, so it is harder to perform feats so impressive that they get passed down through the generations. Still possible though. Case in point: Jack the Ripper. Her legend started to take shape in the *20th* century, and yet she's still relatively strong.
@@helios2664 it should be unlikely, but the amount of misinformation and cult behavior surely will create more holy figures
"the archer class is really made up of archers!"
No rin, it fucking isn't
emiya archer there was like: lets just agree to whatever Rin says and hide as an imposter 😂
Heracles is an archer too 💀
@@1337b3nnyvav00m yeah hercules alter is overpowered as frick, instead of his lives, all his extra lives got turned to their own noble phantasm based on the deeds he has done, and he regains his sanity
@@1337b3nnyvav00m Herc is literally 6/7 base classes, only thing he couldn't be summoned as is Caster. Also Alcides is different from Herc.
Archer CNA actually fit into 4 classes lmao
That boi Shirou went from fixing ACs to folding a god-tier servant in a week lmao. Also the amount of jokes and hidden references in this vid had me rolling, nice job man!
Thanks! Yeah he had the power to believe though
that's cause the plot armor on him is OP
@@ay00wtf Nah, archer was really just built like that, and gilgamesh is the ultimate jobber. The weaker gilgamesh's opponent is, the more likely he is to miraculously fuck it up
@@LunarEquinox God All of you Rin Tohsaka, UBW and Tsundere Fans are pure Absolute HYPOCRITES!!! You all automatically consider and demand that others consider Rin to be Best Girl simply because she is a F@#%ing B@#$%y TSUNDERE!!!
@@ay00wtf Mf will say plot armor despite the story straight up saying that ubw is a perfect counter to GOB and gil's arrogance being a major weakness to him.
This isn't necessarily directed at anyone more than it is a general statement I do want to mention that any time it seems like the show keeps giving Shirou 'plot armour' it's usually explained in the VN. For example all those times you see Shirou survive miraculously is because you don't see any of the 40 different Bad Ends that can happen in the novel, and with something like beating Gil the best way to explain it would be "Would you use a nuclear missile on an ant?" which was Gil's thought process during the fight. The fight in the VN was generally just much shorter with Shirou giving Gilgamesh pretty much zero time to gather himself and basically stayed on his ass the whole time, overwhelming him.
Sorry for the long comment lol, I'm just a huge fan of Fate so I can't help it sometimes lol, one more thing I wanna say though:
PLEASE PLAY HOLLOW ATARAXIA AFTER HEAVEN'S FEEL PLEASE IT'S SO GOOOOD (HA is the direct sequel to F/SN)
I appreciate the way you did the comment with out coming off as a jerk lol it’s a good explanation that makes sense 😁
@@LunarEquinox No problem! I wanted to make that comment as I often see anime-only fans of Fate misunderstand Shirou's character because the anime adaptions unfortunately don't do an incredible job of adapting Shirou's character in the VN.
@@friesfries12 one of the more unfortunate sides of the animes but it is what it is
Bro the anime skipped through so much from the visual novel which is crazy
@@sirasit123 it's not really that surprising. Although after reading the novel I'm upset with some of the crucial stuff they skipped it's not easy to cramp nearly a 100 hours of text into an animation adaptation. Going the show dont tell route was probably the biggest mistake since it cause ppl to misunderstand the characters more especially Shirou
Studio deen Shirou: "people die if they are killed"
Ufotable Shirou: "just because youre correct doesnt mean youre right"
Actually was rewatching this and thought about Rin's statement of lancer being servant or not, at first I thought yeah that's kinda stupid that she says lancer is servant or not, then realized wait... Don't we have people in Nasuverse who aren't servants and have crazy clothes plus crazy weapons lying around in their hand? At first Bazzet came to mind and then some Melty blood characteres... So yeah, every fate dialouge can be analyzed in some way and you'll get so much info out of it if you did your research or just looked up at the subtle nuance in between.
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@@LunarEquinox Sorry for being a party pooper Ik it was satire but I just felt like mentioning it XD "my Fate fan boy blood just intensified for a minute". I had fun with the video, hope you make more.
😅no it’s fine I was actually re reading it and looking up what the Nasuverse was, I just couldn’t figure out if the comment was satire or not
@@LunarEquinox oh by satire I meant the video, the thing I said was completely true (blame my fate fan blood for being a party pooper) but I enjoyed the video nonetheless, and I recommend you to also watch deen stay night(2006) cause they added "funny" elements here and there.
Nah actually it was dumb and stupid. Try watching a good show next time.
"the fan fanbase thinks Shirou isn't a good protagonist" huh? The general anime fanbase doesn't like him but the fate fanbase adores him because those who read the VN suplex those who don't in any discussion where he gets brought up lmao.
Well it is an anime review not a VN review
@@LunarEquinox You should make a VN review :)
@@r.k845 Telling him to invest like 70+ hours into reading texts doesn't really sound like a good idea...
@@sacred_. Oh no! Reading!
@@r.k845 I mean when your a content creator yeah it is a lot of work
When people say shirou isn't understood, it's not a meme to deflect from him not being written well like some other main characters in fiction, but because most of his justification and personal nuance come in the form of his thoughts and monologues that you the player are supposed to be spoonfed throughout the routes that just either don't exist in the anime adaptions or are severely reduced.
Relying on "show don't tell" is probably one of the biggest misfires of all of the fate stay night anime adaptions when the visual novel relies so heavily on how it relays not just shirou but the entire cast. The entire cast is largely mischaracterized due to the adaptions messing up the subtle structure of the story(and zero itself changes certain characters based on its own version of the story like saber and kirei which doesn't help matters)
For example you started with zero which is already an issue which I mentioned in passing.
But then you went into ufotables ubw 2014, missing 1/3rd of the whole story on the face of it with a lot of critical content that the actual plot assumes you know, but ufotable is trying to fill in with zero information that doesn't really work very well because zero is only partly a prequel, and only meant to be seen experienced after you know everything about fsn. So characters in anime form are just kind of standing around doing nothing in particular or not really relevant at all when that couldent be further from the truth.
I know it just sounds complicated just tldr ; how the content is portrayed anime wise is not how it was originally meant to be consumed and is not portrayed in that fashion, so is largely seen as fansevice for Japanese fans who have read the novel and not an actual substitute for it
Gotta love how all three routes are made in different genres:
Fate route is heroic ballad.
UBW route is shounen anime.
And HF is WTFAAAAUUUHHHHHHGODWHATISHAPPENINGHELP
Fate route is more like romantic story between two really similar people who is trying to convince each other on giving up their goals cuz they thinking they are stupid.
@@user-tp6gz7dp3v for me, it was a bit more complicated. Shirou fell in love with Saber; he didn't want to lose her (as she wanted to go back to her time and change the past). Many times he explained to her that past shouldn't be changed because it will be a disrespect for those people who went through all those aftereffects of the civil war, grieved and moved on (kind of same story as him being a victim as he also survived the 10years ago fire but many died and he couldn't save them. He regrets but that doesn't mean he'll change the past).
One thing I liked about Fate route compared to other 2 routes adaptation is that Shirou himself fell in love with Saber, and as the story proceeds Saber too fell in love with him as they shared something in common, they had a mutual understanding. But in other two routes, Shirou just got dragged to both the girl's romance because he's the protagonist and the only male guy in the whole series to be kind and useful to them, and Shirou wasn't even ready for that yet he just surprisingly agrees to their proposal without showing a proper and strong reason as why he accepted. ( he was like: 'ok got it I accept, put me into your harem' )
@@scares3859 yeah i know.But the key word is THINKING here.So in the end Shirou wants her to live here in the future,and Saber wants him to erase the tragedy in order to release himself from his regrets becuase she knows how painful it is to live with them.But they both didn't pity themselves they both was thinking about each other first and foremost not realising they feelings towards each other.And i am not talking about romantic,i talking about them being hipocrytes becuase they expecting from each other the most difficult thing for themselves--care about yourself.
@@user-tp6gz7dp3v tbh, it's a nonsense that shirou came up with the idea of having saber as his Partner. Though I won't oppose it because he was just a kid, fell in love for first time. As the story proceeds, he gradually understood her motives, her feelings, and at the end he made a better and mature decision of letting her to finish her mission, Hence, letting her soul to finally rest in peace. It was a good ending.
Saying that the characters are underdeveloped is actually pretty fair. This is one of my favorite anime of all time and even I would say that it takes going through all three routes of the story to understand each character fully.
0:19 Actually that line isn't nearly as dumb as people seem to think it is. When Shirou says it, he's effectively saying when a person is killed, they die in the sense they don't come back killing them erases them from existence permanently. That might not sound too profound but considering he's saying that in a world where Death is typically cheap it actually has a bit more weight to it.
I think it is a bit different. He is refering to himself if I am not mistakend. He has survived multible deadly injuries because of the sheath of Avalon. When he tries to give it back to Saber she does not want to exept it but he sais this line to convince her.
But even in context the line is still very stupid because there are so many ways this could have been worded better.
@@wulle8509 he is referring to himself. He doesn’t die when killed. Avalon is a like a rewind button. Undoes any damage done to him.
@@shaifs5072 uuuuuuuuuhhh *remembers all the times when Shirou dies CAUSE of Avalon’s healing going overboard* Guess I’ll forget all of that.
Also no. Instead of how it reacted with Kiritsugu, and Saber when used. With Shirou, it just rapidly stitches his wounds together with swords, making the part that was injured more durable. Which also explains how he didn’t get his ribs turned to powder from lancer football kicking him around before saber could jumpstart Avalon’s rapid sword stitching.
But besides making him both regenerate, and has his ‘steel is my body’ line VERY literal. Unlike everyone else, it can also kill him!
@@destroyercreater98 that’s UBW going overboard, not Avalon. Avalon doesn’t heal, it restores. This is revealed in Fate Route when Shirou sees his wounds reversing.
`.. he's effectively saying when a person is killed, they die in the sense they don't come back killing them erases them from existence permanently. ..`
This anime literally features dead people coming back to life.
I love how this video pretty much breaks down the plot in such simple funny terms 😂 and yeah the anime's main issue is that they replicate scenes from the novel but lack some of the context. For example when Archer faced Caster he(Shirou) basically tells Archer to get lost because "he'll handle it hinself" (lol) but in the VN he immediately has another inner monologue admitting he's a hindrance to Archer and that he wouldve escaped the temple already if it wasnt for him being so useless at the time
It sucks that most people don't get into the series in the best way through the visual novel...but I hope you take the time to read it at some point. It's very transformative to the overall experience of the nasuverse.
I'd also eventually recommend tsukihime and mahou tsukai no yoru, and Kara no kyoukai as they are also key to fleshing out the nasuverse world as well
God I didn't know how long the visual novel was gonna be when I finally downloaded it on my laptop.
@@GreenWolf2k yeah its why most people dont get into it took me watching the anime to do it beacuse I liked it so much
I started with Fate Zero and I’m glad I did as it completely hooked me to this universe and has the simplest to introduce it to you easily. I’ve been reading the visual novel and it’s great but goddamn it’s looooong. Been reading it in small bits here and there after getting it almost a year ago and I still haven’t even finished the Fate route. I wish I could just skip to HF as it’s the one I’m most interested in as I can tell from the overall short runtime of the films that a lot was probably cut.
@@pearsemolloy9656 a lot was cut from the entire fate stay night. If your just reading because you want to get to hf I'd just stop if your not enjoying the other content. Its not gonna make it better for you
@@MrInuhanyou123 nah I’ll just read it all I wouldn’t say I’m not enjoying it it just takes a while.
I came for Rin. I came to Rin.
Wait…
@@LunarEquinox did I stutter?
theres 2 Rins, two cames, and to Is'. :))
Sasaki Kojirou is *the* Saber Class as far as I’m concerned.
I think fighting for saving your town from getting nuked a second time,is actually a pretty solid reason........
How on earth did you think to play Shinji's laugh in 2x speed? Too funny.
😂I have to watch anime in 2x Speed sometimes for long Animes in order to make my videos come out on time
Prisma Illya starting from season 3 unironiccaly is actually pretty good......i would say it gives me some madoca magica vibes (especially in the manga)
I enjoyed it too. Never have read the manga might pick it up if I have time
@@LunarEquinox manga called Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma☆Illya 3rei!! you can start from the first chapter they are not long.
I'd recommend either reading the whole manga, or reading until the end of 2wei and then watching the anime for 3rei.
Bro, your videos are top tier.
The guy who's handling algorithm should be in jail for this.
Facts
5:59 u need to keep doing these for upcoming videos i cant stop cracking up at these
Senpai has made another banger video
Ok Nagatoro
That movie trilogy is gonna be one hell of ride once we make it to the second one
Lol I might just cover them all in one episode depends how much I get from each one I don’t remember much even though I watched it last year
Unfrotunatly UBW is going to suffer from the fact Fate S/N is broken into 3 routes, so approximately a 1/3 of development is happening per route.
People always seems to misunderstand, that ufotable has the same project budget as most any other studios, they just have the time and Good work environment to work without any tension or stress whatsoever.
2:30 I thought "get folded" was a pun of Shirou getting his legs folded by Berserker, not that it meant to "get ass kicked"
From what ive heard from those who have read the VN Shirous thought process is dominated by Survivors Guilt which isnt very well established in the anime (obviously as a lot of its in his head) he is a much more interesting and less annoying character if you watch him with this context
"Saber. Everybody's favourite Saber class servant-"
Pfffft, lmao no
"-and the only one so far"
Well shit, you got me there 🤣
Mordred for life
@@ShirouBrando Exactly
Medusa rider is best rider, there's also like 3 different versions of her that get development soooo (happy noises ig?)
Lancer is way too underrated, he lasted the longest out of anybody against gil apart from the final confrontation and in another ending is forced to kill himself.
Didn't know shirou was part of the debate club lmao
I never realized until this tier list how many similarities Katara and Ilya had. (Weird brothers and absent fathers and dead mothers)
Just want to say that by technicality. Kirei isn’t a master in this war. He killed Bazett, the Original master of Cu right as he was summoned and turned him into his Dog before neutering him by running away whenever his Really easy to use again NP that always strikes the heart doesn’t kill.
Even though he could just…. Use it again, then again, then again, Then again! Then again! THEN AGAIN!
(To get a better grasp on how cheap it is for him to do it. Shirou could give him enough for one or two per fight if he’s back at full per )
Man, I fell in love with your humor. Glad that I found your channel
Original Fate Stay Night is for those new to the series. It does a good job of explaining everything and has the original story arc that every other movie references. Also it’s the only one that has Saber as the love interest to Shiro, and that’s why it’s my favorite. (Fate Zero is also a good starting point).
You deserve 100k subs at least. Keep up the good work I love all your videos and all of them make me laugh. Thanks for making my day better!
I watched the whole show from start to finish by seasons movies and it's great, can't wait for the next video 🙂
Ye never understood how Archer just dies right in front of you and somehow lives. I don't remember if the VN explained it or if it's just the whole "they didn't actually die" meme and honestly it could have been actual counter guardian archer at the end there doing his thing. Either way I've just learned to accept it.
Honestly it’s pretty bullshit in the VN too. I love this story quite a bit but my biggest complaint about it other than the pacing is that each Route has some form of asspully bullshit that makes no sense.
Its explained archer survived and while in spirit form absorbed spirits around the einzbern mansion to sustain himself.
Duh, servants have spirit form. He just entered it
4:43 I heard that music, nice touch xD
The issue with the last two fate routes is that it assumes you are already a fan and know the "what if" scenarios.
3:52...Saber is pretty magic resistant...So did Medea change her clothes with magic,or did she do it physically..and if so..did she take high quality pictures?
Pretty late to answer, but it became a joke that Medea is obsessed with Saber and just wants to dress her with different costumes.
"Caster uses Domain expansion"..
i used the exact same line to help my little sister understand what happened in that moment.... LMAO
Shirou: Red is Sus!
Archer: What?! How am I Sus?!
Shirou: You literally tried to murder me multiple times!
Archer: That's because you're completely Sus!
Gilgamesh: I wonder when people will realize that I was the Imposter the entire time?
Caster: *ignoring everything and banging her master*
Can't wait for you to watch prisma illya 😏😏
I subscribed because I MAINLY watched the anime for Rin being a tsundere
The only fate series you have to mandatory watch is fate stay night, unlimited blade work and also the heaven feels trilogy the other series you can watch in any order
Just saw your vid on my recommendation and I love it! Keep up the good work and please, continue making content like this 😁😁😁😁
Thanks!
Everyone clowns on assassin but hes the reason caster could chill at the temple. No one wanted the smoke with assassin, not even berserker
Ye, literally every servant was fought off by him, Cu even said he wouldn't want to get into close combat with him, Cu, one of the top 3 strongest servants in FSN, did not want to mess with him
My head canon for Archer coming back at the end and nailing Gilgamesh is that he DID die as a Servant, but came back as a counter guardian due to gilgamesh's plan for essentially massive Mortal Culling
Heavens feels movies strike back with WORMS WORMS WORMS AHHHH
I don’t want to rewatch it lol 😅
Goofy ahh worm
0:36 Well, he kinda picked her up before the HGW, he just never noticed. Also, it's UBW, so it means it's Rin's Harem, not Shirou's. So more like "Is it wrong to pick up suicidal idiots in a Holy Grail War?", I guess. Rin's words, not mine.
4:24 Eh. Missing Ryoga, there. Zoro wishes he had as bad of a sense of direction as Ryoga.
Yeah they did Kirei, Cú, Madea, her master who clapped saber & Gil bad in this show, especially Gilgamesh like what happened to your precognition ? Or your impenetrable golden armour ? like didn't you have a frickin alien fighter jet, but nah he proceeds to get boned by shirou's sword
Though somehow shinji just cries "we we we" all the way home..
Stay night gil never uses his precog and his impenetrable armor? You talking about the armor that was sliced like butter by artoria under shirou?
The armor is not much of protection. The VN is explaining everything better. Basically, Gil REFUSED to go all out against Shiro, because he was an ant on his eye. Until he realized that Shiro was about to beat his ass, but it was too late and Shiro dis-armed him. No, i don't regret that joke
So you’ve made the mistake of assuming a bunch of stuff. Archer Gil’s precognition is basically never is use. He sees the HGW as a game so he doesn’t use it. Also it’s not the future he sees but all possible futures so he just dismissed the one he dies because of his ego. Veema his space ship is fucking exploded. The golden armor and literally 99% of what he does never used in UBW because he thinks Shirou isn’t worth is. It’s more than just a physical battle it’s an ideological one as well. If Gilgamesh uses any of his true power he’s acknowledging that Shirou, a fake, is able to match the original. That’s something that is unthinkable to him, so much so that it costs him the fight
I mean watching It for Rin was one of the reasons but not all of them
Death Wish: No Seriously How Many Times Can Shiro Get Folded made me think of the Heaven's Feel Trilogy. Yes I know he gets buffed but even his buff ends up folding him lol
Sakura Is So Comfortful
She’s Perfect and Beautiful and Innocent and Perfect
She’s Incapable Of DisComfort, She Can’t Be Harmed, Her Innocence Can’t Be Lost, She Can’t Feel Bad, She’s so Perfect
She’s Always Happy!
*DON’T PLAY HEAVEN’S FEEL*
*DON’T WATCH HEAVEN’S FEEL*
*DON’T WATCH IT*
*DON’T*
*DON’T LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN*
*You May Not Like What You See…*
their budget is higher than my will to live
Id give it 7.5 for many reasons but this video was amazing and gets a 10 from me
and yes I refuse to waste hours upon hours reading the source material
Lol I get it the source stuff confuses me and it’s a lot of work 😂thanks!
I disagree with that Tier List.
Gilgamesh is obviously in the Gilgamesh Tier, in the Gilgamesh class.
:))
Just one sentence guys, read the VN!
feel kinda guilty but when i first watched this i kept replaying the part where rin gets shocked by illya's barrier
Lol it was funny I did it too
I've been stuck in the fate hole for years, and UBW might be my favorite route series (not because I'm a rin simp hahahaha..) and you did an excellent job! Really funny while at the same time being able to explain its flaws.you get a sub from me 🤝
Thanks appreciate it!
I love your channel it's awesome, I'm subscribing
Thanks!
I know most of people dislike Studio Deen's Fate/Stay Night (especially after the Ufo Table ones), but I still love it because it was my introduction to the franchise... And the music... Unforgettable the last moments of Artoria with "La Sola" in background ❤
"Can you see it, King Athur? The continuation of your dream?" 💔
shiro really is an in depth character
archer died and got called here again as a protector
"From the 'past' ":))) Yes, I can understand that ^~^
I love ufotable because without them I would've never became a fan of typemoon BUT I dislike ufotable's style for adapting fate because they go more "the rule of cool" route with everything they did in ubw and HF. For example the scene where caster is holding taiga hostage, in the VN the stakes were vastly higher because taiga was straight up in casters arms while IN shirou's house while in the anime she's dangling from red string and they easily could've devised a plan to save her
Hey love ur vids. Super entertaining. Keep it up
Thanks!
Great video dude, made me subscribe
please do reviews on tomodachi game, shield hero, date a live, and tsukimichi moonlit fantasy, their all good anime im sure you'd enjoy
Love your videos! What editor do you use? Keep it up.
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@@LunarEquinox oh ok thanks!
What do I watch after this? I love the lord and the world but holy cow am I confused. I watched the prseige flower after UBW and I’m so confused
This guy is so fuckin underrated 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Will you do made in abyss
Do monster plsss
It has "Johan Liebert"
A big brain boi
plz
1:36 Me: So you have chosen death *pumps shotgun*
Oh no! Lancer got Yamcha'd!
Or...
Oh no! Yamcha got Lancered!
Or...
Oh no! Yamcha got Lanced!
Take your pick, my friends!
This show will forever be my favourite anime. Yes there's a little too much talking and some wonderful characters don't get enough development, but the way the story perfectly clicks together is what does it for me. Everything lines up symbolically, metaphorically and logically. Shirou's power scaling is utterly sublime, Archer is a perfect use of the "Future Self" Trope, Gilgamesh is a fantastic villain and the waifus are immaculate (Rin, Caster and Saber).
The animation and music are perfection and story is just super tightly written, especially near the end, (At least that's my opinion) and I love it to pieces. However, even though it's my favourite anime, I could only give it a 9.5.
The only anime I could give a 10/10 to is Monster Musume.
I legit only watched this for GARCHER and luvia
The "second semester" doujins are great
UBW was alright. Better than Stay Night but not as good as GOAT/Zero. Shirou was more bearable until he had that big conflict with himself, then it was as bad as Stay Night.
4:38 Nah, he actually dies. The one that appears later is summoned by Alaya, I'm pretty sure.
I mean, if Shirou died, then Counterguardian EMIYA wouldn't be possible, and Alaya wouldn't want that.
He doesn't die, he would have lost his memories if he did. And Shirou's survival is irrelevant, EMIYA already exists in the Throne of Heroes.
The name of this anime should be" Unlimited budget works"
NOOOOOOOOO they did not do my BOY gilgamesh like that! he was my favorite character, along with kotamini
wait its been 2 fucking year there is NOFUCKİNG WAY
i would like to hear you talk about "that part"
God tier editing
Thanks!
@@LunarEquinox Was a little affraid you were gonna be to harsh on the series but i was wrong your actually pretty chill
Really hope ufotable make a tsukihime anime maybe after Witch on the hollynight or demon slayer s3
Can u review Shadows house plzzzzzzzzzzzzz!? I luv the show
Fate fans really going all out on this video
Found this video enjoyed it and now watching the other videos hahahah
Berserker,,, hulk tier,, because he screams alot like a Titan 😀
6:18 me: “wait that’s violet evergarden not sa… *sigh* Nevermind”
😅lol
Hey, what your thought about FSN Visual Novel/realta nua Last Episode? Btw in Last episode (or you can call it a secret ending of fate route, becuz you need to finish all 3 route in order to unlock this secret ending), it will tell you about story of shirou (Fate route) after holy grail war ends. You can search it on youtube...
I will have to check it out. As much as I joke on the Visual Novels they are great
U got me bro, i only watch it to see tsundere
4:23 Goddamnit, Zoro, you got lost again!
This is the only fate I've actually watched
Check heaven's feel out
@@LLL.... no
@@Dompression HF3 tops demon slayer in animation tbh plus its just top tier
@@Dompression oke
@@lachlanstrom3685 for sure
3:50
Poor Saber 😢