@@Squall598 oh certainly. No doubt about that. It was just a little joke on my side. But sometimes it's nice believing in fairytales, eh? That magically spark of love would change her and she'd become a loving person
@@G.F.SF55 Yeah, that’s exactly what I do in my Playthroughs, his dad is still alive to help the city re-stabilize itself after the absolute; And Wyll goes to Avernus with Karlach to help her find a cure and Kill Mizora, Devils are fickle and unless there’s a contract she has no power over Wyll; especially when already killing a more powerful devil (Raphael) alongside countless other evils. Mizora would stand no chance despite all the shit talking she does.
@@B1izzardHawk Mizora can think she’s as clever as she likes, Doesn’t change the fact that we killed a devil 10 times more powerful than her; coupled with Wyll in the epilogue literally saying with the forge he & karlach found he can reverse engineer his fake eye (seeing stone) to see where mizora is rather than her using it to constantly watch over him. Mizora really isn’t special at all Lmao and she has no better plot armour than Raphael and her Hitpoints are a fraction of that. She can try to stay away as much as she wants it doesn’t change the fact that Wyll, karlach & my character are hunting her, she can’t run nor hide indefinitely and with a reverse engineered seeing stone she won’t be able to do any of those for long anyway, Mizora isn’t invincible and she surely isn’t smart; cunning, cruel, arrogant & condescending sure but she’s fucked in the scenario where the players are hunting her. Her only options are to vacate to another Hell or actually face it, either way it results in her annihilation or severe embarrassment/demotion in the Hells hierarchy; Options that are both equally distasteful to a fiend
@@B1izzardHawk Nah mizora is about as clever as a vegetable, if you go with blade of Avernus wyll literally has a way of turning his stone eye (seeing stone) against mizora to track her and find where she is; mizora isn’t jack compared to Raphael & he was dropped easily, what makes you think mizora would be any different; either she escapes to another hell for refuge where she’d be embarrassed/demoted or she can face the inevitable outcome of f’ing around & finding out. Mizora is not clever😂 and she’s not out of Wylls reach either, especially if he has the means to track her wherever she goes
Plus according to his pact, she can literally only force him to go after "monsters, fiends, the heartless, and the soulless" Even she can only stretch loopholes so far. It's not like she's gonna have any say on BG's tax policy
Weird enough the epilogue doesn’t show her actually ever abusing this. You’d think she’d use him to further her goals, but Wyll just states she simply hangs around him and goes to meetings to charm people to agree with whatever wyll wants.
She’s not evil, nor is Zariel. They are seekers of knowledge. All knowledge. Not brutes. Just because you are a devil, doesn’t mean you want the world to burn. His contract alone shows their interest are not for needless bloodshed.
@@djspoonarooni Devils are by nature lawful evil. So no place for chaos and why would they abuse a powerful piece, whenit might be better to wait and use it later.
Like devils her only interest is 'quid por quo' she make deals, anyone who isn't her (including other devils) are just pieces on a chess board, every word spoken is a lie or half truth, every action is kindness in the moment and cruelty in the future, there's no move taken that doesn't serve her interest.
Better hair if Wyll let go of the dreads in favor of an afro. As it stands, both characters have bad hair (and they are both supposed to be "charismatic leaders", but I honestly can't see it. Wyll is the least interesting "origin" character)
Imagine also having Ascendant Astarion to deal with in a playthrough. Lol. Wyll just has to humor them, keep them drunk, and let them pretend they are manipulating from the shadows. It's such a funny thought. Would watch this sitcom.
His contract with Mizora is pretty concrete though. He only has to fight the “bad guys” so to speak. He can’t kill his own innocent people, only those who are soulless, devils and such. So either way not much she can do politically.
im sure theres a clause to prevent will from harming her. she managed to appear before the party to get them to rescue her when trapped in a mindflayer pod. theres also that stone eye that wyll carries.
@@Meshifuari Mindflyer, ending yourself ending. Withers says that your story isn't finished and future still holds something for you. It actually might hint at that dlc might be a thing.
"the songs they'll sing" Even if i didn't already know it was her, i would have mizora pegged for having the same VA as lohse. Sounded so much like her
If you read her mind later, she is planning to get the Duke killed at some point, out of spite. Wyll knows her, that's why he fears not making a deal to guarantee his father's safety.
Don't be naive. If it wasn't Mizora it would be someone or something else holding the leash. At least with Mizora you know who it is and in the end she's quite reasonable for a Half-Fiend. The truth is if Wyll knew how to broker a decent contract he wouldn't be in that mess.
@@Damalon01 did you even pay attention to the story? There was zero time to broker anything, Wyll was fucked no matter who he dealed with because it was either make the deal or the entire city burned to ash, and mizora is one of the worst, she works directly for an archdevil who's only care is the blood war, the fact you think mizora is a decent patron is ridiculous, her entire goal is to own the gate via a proxy puppet. Plus who knows what other shits in that contract we don't know, we only see very specific parts and with a little context clues there's atleast 13 clauses WITH sub sections A-Z EACH, it's a shit deal no matter which way you look at it, and devils aren't known to be nice, any patron would give him a shit deal
Is kinda funny if you go this route Mizora actually helps Wyll run the city to the point where though he still hates her he’s kinda glad to actually have her there
@@drewthelegend i know that much... im just curious if BC of that wyll never tries to break his pact at all in acts 2 & 3... Cant see myself ever chosing to kill karlach to find out
If you want empathetic argument for killing Karlach, there: Karlach is written as sentient. She understands that as a video game character all of her suffering is there for player's entertainment. If you don't agree, it's fine. But for me, after seeing that creepy 4th wall breaking scene, this choice became way too easy.
I don't know why anyone would let Wyll sell his soul for ETERNITY just to save his father who is human and has 40 years left at most. It's not like his dad's eternal soul was condemned or anything so taking her pact is absolutely the worst possible outcome for Wyll.
@@rustkarlThey can. They're more straightforward, but a lot less trustworthy. A Devil will always hold their end of the bargain, same thing can't be said about a Demon.
Demons are a "lies by omission" sort "Oh ho, but you never explicitly said I couldn't do [terrible thing] to [treasured person/possession]!" Devil's contracts are extremely literal but most will hold to "the spirit of the deal" even if it's not stated. Like Mizora may goad a band of orcs to think they can take the Gate, but she can't tell them what to do, expose defensive weaknesses, or directly lead them. A demon might create a false identity and tell *both parties* of their respective weaknesses to cause greater calamity.
@@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer you've got that the wrong way round. Demons can be forced to comply, since their compliance relies upon the combination of relative strength - how strong or weak the pact maker is vis a vis the demon - and the demon's self interest. It is Devils who make always make lies of omission, fill contracts with subclauses and fine print, and do not hold to the spirit of the deal, but its word.
Well you do have to save Mizora and have her say she’ll break it in 6 months. Then you kill the duke and she offers this new contract in order to resurrect him.
@@orelyosif5852he becomes a duke and works to better Baldur’s Gate, help the refugees and rebuild, with or without his fathers help (depending if you saved him).
You have to kill Duke Ravengaurd, then have her resurrect him. I killed him and Gortash during the ceremony. I’m unsure if it works killing him once you reach the city. But Mizora waits at the city entrance after you kill him. You can’t miss her.
@@gagapandega1668yes, but it’s because when you restrict him, which I have the video of as well in my BG3 clips playlist. You’ll see that you get to explain to him why Wyll took the pact. Then they become friends again and he accepts him back
It actually oisses me off how much plot armor Mizora has. Unless you want to condemn Wyll to eternal damnation there is literally nothing you can do to even mildly inconvenience her because at any point in time she can simply make a promise that we cant bind her to at all and then she oh so predictably quotes any piece of the Pact that the writers want to come up with on the spot so that no matter what Wyll is not free. This line of hers about them being bound eternally is directly showing shes allowed to lie about the Pact because in Act 2 when rescued after bargaining for her rescue to be Wylls freedom she says some shit about even when both partys agree to a term for which releasing Wyll from the pact is the reward it still has to pend for 6 months. I get she's a Devil and they always have the upperhand but we can kill Raphael for gods sake a far more powerful devil who is practically a male Mizora with how similar they are in what they do.
Fans wither love Mizora for being so entertainingly evil and getting away with it...or hate her for being annoying with no consequences. No middle point. Sadly, since Larian has rejected developing any DLC, any chance of turning tables on Mizzy is a moot point.
@@NyJoanzy don't you think that elves are suspiciously overrepresented in high positions of media, banking and wizardry in Baldur's Gate? Like, they speak so much about human overrepresentation and underrepresentation of half-orcs and tieflings, but noone brings elves up -- isn't that strange?
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So...That's why Mizora was so interested in him, and ensnared him. Through him, she controls Baldur's Gate when he succeeds his father.
No, cause her pants smitten by wyll and wants to smooch him and basically she's Helga from Hey, Arnold ❤✨💋
Her loves Wyll, I don't care, fight me
@@catherinejbennetactually I wouldn't be surprised if she did develop feelings for him in her own Cambion way
@@thornelson1411 Well, she calls him to be her favorite pet
@@catherinejbennet A narcissists love isn't love, it's ownership, she loves him as much as her favourite book or favourite sword.
@@Squall598 oh certainly. No doubt about that. It was just a little joke on my side.
But sometimes it's nice believing in fairytales, eh? That magically spark of love would change her and she'd become a loving person
And thats why we break the pact and have him become the Blade of Avernus
Or contract to kill his dad to sever the pact and then save his dad anyway, iirc the contract is still broken after that
@@G.F.SF55 Yeah, that’s exactly what I do in my Playthroughs, his dad is still alive to help the city re-stabilize itself after the absolute; And Wyll goes to Avernus with Karlach to help her find a cure and Kill Mizora, Devils are fickle and unless there’s a contract she has no power over Wyll; especially when already killing a more powerful devil (Raphael) alongside countless other evils. Mizora would stand no chance despite all the shit talking she does.
@@korgclips868 nah, Mizora's too clever for that. She doesn't strike me as a fighter, so she'd stay away from Wyll.
@@B1izzardHawk Mizora can think she’s as clever as she likes, Doesn’t change the fact that we killed a devil 10 times more powerful than her; coupled with Wyll in the epilogue literally saying with the forge he & karlach found he can reverse engineer his fake eye (seeing stone) to see where mizora is rather than her using it to constantly watch over him. Mizora really isn’t special at all Lmao and she has no better plot armour than Raphael and her Hitpoints are a fraction of that.
She can try to stay away as much as she wants it doesn’t change the fact that Wyll, karlach & my character are hunting her, she can’t run nor hide indefinitely and with a reverse engineered seeing stone she won’t be able to do any of those for long anyway, Mizora isn’t invincible and she surely isn’t smart; cunning, cruel, arrogant & condescending sure but she’s fucked in the scenario where the players are hunting her. Her only options are to vacate to another Hell or actually face it, either way it results in her annihilation or severe embarrassment/demotion in the Hells hierarchy; Options that are both equally distasteful to a fiend
@@B1izzardHawk Nah mizora is about as clever as a vegetable, if you go with blade of Avernus wyll literally has a way of turning his stone eye (seeing stone) against mizora to track her and find where she is; mizora isn’t jack compared to Raphael & he was dropped easily, what makes you think mizora would be any different; either she escapes to another hell for refuge where she’d be embarrassed/demoted or she can face the inevitable outcome of f’ing around & finding out. Mizora is not clever😂 and she’s not out of Wylls reach either, especially if he has the means to track her wherever she goes
Funny thing is she actually doesn't have anything planned, she's just amused by the threat of pulling wyll's leash and watching him always squirm.
Plus according to his pact, she can literally only force him to go after "monsters, fiends, the heartless, and the soulless"
Even she can only stretch loopholes so far. It's not like she's gonna have any say on BG's tax policy
Weird enough the epilogue doesn’t show her actually ever abusing this. You’d think she’d use him to further her goals, but Wyll just states she simply hangs around him and goes to meetings to charm people to agree with whatever wyll wants.
She’s not evil, nor is Zariel. They are seekers of knowledge. All knowledge. Not brutes. Just because you are a devil, doesn’t mean you want the world to burn. His contract alone shows their interest are not for needless bloodshed.
@@djspoonarooni I mean, she's literally evil. Just not chaotic.
@@djspoonarooni Devils are by nature lawful evil. So no place for chaos and why would they abuse a powerful piece, whenit might be better to wait and use it later.
@@djspoonaroonidevils are by their very nature evil. They’re just lawful evil.
Like devils her only interest is 'quid por quo' she make deals, anyone who isn't her (including other devils) are just pieces on a chess board, every word spoken is a lie or half truth, every action is kindness in the moment and cruelty in the future, there's no move taken that doesn't serve her interest.
Baldur's Gate sworn in a devotee to Bane and Wyll has way better hair than Gortash, so I would say that this is an improvement
Gortash used to have good hair, until Orin
@@javelin1423hair murderer
Better hair if Wyll let go of the dreads in favor of an afro. As it stands, both characters have bad hair (and they are both supposed to be "charismatic leaders", but I honestly can't see it. Wyll is the least interesting "origin" character)
He has cornrows. @@RRRRRRRRR33
@@svenfold979 Cornrows, dreads, etc.. whatever, I mixed up the names. Undo it and the result is a good old afro
*missing horns*
You monster
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Imagine also having Ascendant Astarion to deal with in a playthrough. Lol. Wyll just has to humor them, keep them drunk, and let them pretend they are manipulating from the shadows. It's such a funny thought. Would watch this sitcom.
His contract with Mizora is pretty concrete though. He only has to fight the “bad guys” so to speak. He can’t kill his own innocent people, only those who are soulless, devils and such. So either way not much she can do politically.
Fun fact: she isn't immune to Flesh to Stone. Turn her into a statue.
Flesh to gold, perhaps?
im sure theres a clause to prevent will from harming her. she managed to appear before the party to get them to rescue her when trapped in a mindflayer pod.
theres also that stone eye that wyll carries.
@@ovencake523 Nothing happened to Wyll in my playthrough when I had him cast Flesh to Stone on her
@@armorfrogentertainment hmmmmmmmmMMMMM
ok for gameplay reasons sure for lore reasons no
can you cast any spell on her?
I Really wish as a Wyll stan that we could remove her from this plane much like Raphael
Hell yeah, just invite her over while you're in the House of Hope and then surprise you're dead! Perhaps someone will make a mod someday.
I have a suspicion she will have a big role in upcoming dlcs.
@@bengunn9670 Do not hold your breath for DLC's.
@@Meshifuari Mindflyer, ending yourself ending.
Withers says that your story isn't finished and future still holds something for you.
It actually might hint at that dlc might be a thing.
@@Meshifuari why?
"the songs they'll sing"
Even if i didn't already know it was her, i would have mizora pegged for having the same VA as lohse. Sounded so much like her
Plot twist: Mizora is Lohse after being corrupted by Adramahlihk (as implied in D:OS2 ending) and moving to Forgotten Realms.
damn, mizora is terrifying in this scene
"This scene"? her every exchange with Wyll is disturbingly abusive.
That's why you never make a deal with her. Just rescue his father from the Iron Throne. Forget her.
I did this because I love her. She wanted his soul, and I got her his soul. Tf?
If you read her mind later, she is planning to get the Duke killed at some point, out of spite.
Wyll knows her, that's why he fears not making a deal to guarantee his father's safety.
@@djspoonarooni Mizora is way cooler than Wyll honestly
she's just tsundere
this is why i always free wyll, nobody should be bound to a devil
Don't be naive. If it wasn't Mizora it would be someone or something else holding the leash. At least with Mizora you know who it is and in the end she's quite reasonable for a Half-Fiend. The truth is if Wyll knew how to broker a decent contract he wouldn't be in that mess.
@@Damalon01 did you even pay attention to the story? There was zero time to broker anything, Wyll was fucked no matter who he dealed with because it was either make the deal or the entire city burned to ash, and mizora is one of the worst, she works directly for an archdevil who's only care is the blood war, the fact you think mizora is a decent patron is ridiculous, her entire goal is to own the gate via a proxy puppet. Plus who knows what other shits in that contract we don't know, we only see very specific parts and with a little context clues there's atleast 13 clauses WITH sub sections A-Z EACH, it's a shit deal no matter which way you look at it, and devils aren't known to be nice, any patron would give him a shit deal
Is kinda funny if you go this route Mizora actually helps Wyll run the city to the point where though he still hates her he’s kinda glad to actually have her there
of shoot do you never aim to break his pact if he doesnt turn into a devil!?
Wyll not being a devil means this guy killed Karlach in his playthrough.
@@drewthelegend i know that much... im just curious if BC of that wyll never tries to break his pact at all in acts 2 & 3...
Cant see myself ever chosing to kill karlach to find out
If you want empathetic argument for killing Karlach, there: Karlach is written as sentient. She understands that as a video game character all of her suffering is there for player's entertainment.
If you don't agree, it's fine. But for me, after seeing that creepy 4th wall breaking scene, this choice became way too easy.
@@Matriarchator wut
@@Matriarchator lmao. nah not enough of a reson. i look forward to seeing her lil dances almost every time im headed to camp
Thats basically a marriage contract and Zariel was the priest. Not even death can do you part.
she is just messing with him, that part of the contract she brought up has no bearing on the situation.
she cant manipulate baldurs gate through him.
i love this woman
Seeing as how wyll has no horns, I would say this ending makes sense
Lord help me around Mizora
No let the devil Zariel help you, while you get Mizora as a patron. She’s the best I hear.
ironically, the equipments Mizora gave to Wyll is more likely for him after he breaks his pact more than for a warlock
She wants him so bad😂
I don't know why anyone would let Wyll sell his soul for ETERNITY just to save his father who is human and has 40 years left at most. It's not like his dad's eternal soul was condemned or anything so taking her pact is absolutely the worst possible outcome for Wyll.
Do you think Mizora would step on me? Asking for a friend...
No, shes a lady of class. I’m sure she would work out something for your friend though. She is a lady who loves to give.
She'd send an Orthon to do it.
I see Lohse has been sipping too much demon juice.
Baldur's Gate 4 Descent to Avernus pt2 lol
And that kids, is why you always make your pact with a demon.
Do demons make pacts? I thought that was a devil thing.
@@rustkarl always have.
@@rustkarlThey can. They're more straightforward, but a lot less trustworthy. A Devil will always hold their end of the bargain, same thing can't be said about a Demon.
Demons are a "lies by omission" sort
"Oh ho, but you never explicitly said I couldn't do [terrible thing] to [treasured person/possession]!" Devil's contracts are extremely literal but most will hold to "the spirit of the deal" even if it's not stated. Like Mizora may goad a band of orcs to think they can take the Gate, but she can't tell them what to do, expose defensive weaknesses, or directly lead them.
A demon might create a false identity and tell *both parties* of their respective weaknesses to cause greater calamity.
@@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer you've got that the wrong way round. Demons can be forced to comply, since their compliance relies upon the combination of relative strength - how strong or weak the pact maker is vis a vis the demon - and the demon's self interest.
It is Devils who make always make lies of omission, fill contracts with subclauses and fine print, and do not hold to the spirit of the deal, but its word.
Im assuming you didnt break his pact. I never saw this when i had him become duke
Well you do have to save Mizora and have her say she’ll break it in 6 months. Then you kill the duke and she offers this new contract in order to resurrect him.
He has no horns which means he killed Karlach so it serves him right to be a slave to mizora and zariel for the rest of his days
Lemure'ing Wyll solves all these problems real easy.
Is that a katana? The last guy who had a katana didn't ended well....
"M!"
How does wyll not have horns
Well, he gets punished with them for not killing Karlach, so...
Yeah I murdered Karsac. (Karsac because she was just a flesh sac when I left her)
What if you break the pact, thought?
Wyll becomes a lemure
@@RRRRRRRRR33 No, I mean getting the Duke ending if you sever the pact
@@orelyosif5852he becomes a duke and works to better Baldur’s Gate, help the refugees and rebuild, with or without his fathers help (depending if you saved him).
What is Wyll wearing? Mod or base game?
Pretty sure it's padded armor +2 dyed.
Base game clothes, I actually do not remember unfortunately. I am sorry.
You are right I believe it is. I definitely dyed it, I remember that.
Dyed Padded Armor +2, and one of the leather glove variants. Best "battlemage" look IMO.
What’s up with his animation lmao
This is why i enjoy the sound of her dying when you eliminate her in the mind flayer pod. Shame Wyll has to be sacrificed to hear it though…
That will never happen in my universe. All the dommy mommies get their way.
Wait, how do you get this dialogue?
You have to kill Duke Ravengaurd, then have her resurrect him. I killed him and Gortash during the ceremony. I’m unsure if it works killing him once you reach the city. But Mizora waits at the city entrance after you kill him. You can’t miss her.
@@djspoonaroonihow did you survive that conflict!?
@@djspoonarooni So, Wyll becomes Grand Duke even though you resurrect Duke Ravengard? That's interesting
@@thornelson1411oh I had to mod it, I was curious so I ran a health and damage mod 😂. I ain’t that good.
@@gagapandega1668yes, but it’s because when you restrict him, which I have the video of as well in my BG3 clips playlist. You’ll see that you get to explain to him why Wyll took the pact. Then they become friends again and he accepts him back
Noone is gonna comment on how he killed karlach? DISLIKE :(
Simp
It actually oisses me off how much plot armor Mizora has. Unless you want to condemn Wyll to eternal damnation there is literally nothing you can do to even mildly inconvenience her because at any point in time she can simply make a promise that we cant bind her to at all and then she oh so predictably quotes any piece of the Pact that the writers want to come up with on the spot so that no matter what Wyll is not free. This line of hers about them being bound eternally is directly showing shes allowed to lie about the Pact because in Act 2 when rescued after bargaining for her rescue to be Wylls freedom she says some shit about even when both partys agree to a term for which releasing Wyll from the pact is the reward it still has to pend for 6 months. I get she's a Devil and they always have the upperhand but we can kill Raphael for gods sake a far more powerful devil who is practically a male Mizora with how similar they are in what they do.
Did you miss the part where he's able to sign a new contract in act3? This dialogue will only happen if he does that.
Fans wither love Mizora for being so entertainingly evil and getting away with it...or hate her for being annoying with no consequences. No middle point.
Sadly, since Larian has rejected developing any DLC, any chance of turning tables on Mizzy is a moot point.
Still they look good as a couple. Them or Wyll + Karlach
Am I the only one who ships them... I wouldn't mind enemies to lovers kind of troupe tbh
#WyZora
What happens if Wyll becomes Grand Wizard?
Who..?
Then he will cleanse the elves and half elves from the government and send them to work on plantations. 🤡
@@NyJoanzy don't you think that elves are suspiciously overrepresented in high positions of media, banking and wizardry in Baldur's Gate? Like, they speak so much about human overrepresentation and underrepresentation of half-orcs and tieflings, but noone brings elves up -- isn't that strange?