@@danieldaso3800 I'd be interested to see a test where you just change the wheels to smaller ones and see how that effects range. Also important on these cars to run them in eco when going for range since that disengages the front motor.
owner of an EV6 GT and an Ioniq 5 Ltd AWD here. A couple of points that I think balance out the comparison and the focus on range: 1. These cars deliver pretty insane performance for the price, and one of the compromises in doing that is that the most expensive component of the car (the battery) is not overspec'd. You always have to have the price in mind here when you are comparing the bonkers performance of either of these to other vehicles, such as a Lucid, Plaid, or '25 Taycan. Very valid that, if you need to optimize for road trips and range, the Highland 3 Performance is the clear winner here (if you are ok buying a car from Elon). 2. In my area (California) where I take road trips, there's really not a concern between taking the EV6 GT and our Ioniq 5 to optimize for range. You basically stop in the same places, and either car charges faster than my family usually takes getting snacks or relieving themselves. The biggest worry on my roadtrips is how overjammed and craptastic EA is going to be, not whether my car goes 200mi or 250mi before charging. Most folks do not run their cars to 0% SOC on road trips, and the eGMP cars in particular need to be pre-conditioned with over 20% SOC or else you may have a non-optimal battery temp when you reach the charger anyhow. So the whole premise of the range sucking I haven't found that important unless you are comparing with range champs like a model 3 or 2-motor versions of the eGMP cars that are more optimized for range. Personally, so long as you get a temp-optimized battery at a good EA dispenser, these cars are charging beasts for their price and it's really not a big deal. 3. I agree that the seats in BOTH the EV6 GT and the Ioniq 5 are not for all. They are identical seats save for lighted N and ventilation in the 5N seats. Both are manual, although 5N might be lower in terms of seating position. I am 5'8" and thin, and have no problem feeling comfy in the GT, and in the 5N on a test drive. Two other developments about seats: (a) The refresh 26 EV6 GT will have standard power non-bolstered seats as standard, with the current seats as an option. This solves my main seat complaint, no power on these seats, no memory positions. (b) The real move here is to wait for the GV60 Magma, which is an 5N with a Genesis interior, including high-bolstered POWER seats and lovely stitching on everything and generally higher interior quality. 4. I leased my GT well before the 5N came out, but pricing for both is absolutely not just a $5k difference these days. EV6 GTs can easily be had for $50k with great leasing rates too. The 5N is way more in demand, and commands a much higher, close to MSRP price, and much worse lease deals. If you absolutely want the best performance eGMP right now, 5N might be the way to go, but just note these are a quantum difference in price from what I've seen (ask me why I haven't traded up for a performance blue already....) 5. I find the EV6 GT a real hoot to drive on my commute, around town, on the occasional CA roadtrip, and definitely for canyon therapy on the weekends. For the $52k I financed under my lease, I still think it's a good deal and something you might be a little unfair in hating on as much as you do in this video. This all being said, I will probably replace at the end of my 3-year lease with a 5N, GV60 Magma, or a Neue Klasse i3 if BMW doesn't screw that up from the concept.
Thank you for the comparisons! A lot of I5N videos talk about the track performance, but daily use review is few and far between, learning about how they are day-to-day is also very important for a car :D
two other features I'm sad the US-spec Ioniq 5N doesn't include: no glass roof or sunroof, and also no HUD. HMG's HUD is really nice and is a feature I use every day, and it seems they cut this for the US market for cost reasons, as HUD is offered for 5Ns sold outside of the US
@@ev_kimchi That's so unfortunate. Here we have HUD as base, and the only option is 700USD(roughly exchanged) for the glass roof, and both aspects are amazing
I just bought the EV6 GT for local daily driving and once a month a 600km round trip commute with 350kW Ionity chargers and Tesla V2/V3 chargers en route. I also once a month do a 160km commute. Daily charging to 80% but only do 20-30 km on daily basis with 320km of range. When I do my big commute I charge 100% and get 380-390km of range now in the winter. That suffices for my 300km leg on way, but often do a 10-12min charge at the awesome Ionity chargers and with the 240kW charging capability of the EV6 GT, that equates to another 150km of added range. I could’ve bought the EV6 AWD LR with 530km of range, but the awesome bucketseats, breathtaking performance and suspension of the GT was enough to convince me to get the shorter range GT. No regrets! Btw, my previous EV was a 2020 Taycan 4S, and I must say at a third of the price, the EV6 GT is a steal in comparison, and it’s faster, more practical and a rarer sight on our EV packed roads with EVs comprising 94% of all new car sales last month. I especially like the cross over ride height in conjunction with the all manual bucket seats which are a dream to use instead of waiting for sloooow electric motors winding the seat in every direction. You just slam it all the way back in a tenth of a second, to allow for easy egress every time you exit the car. The Meridian sound system is frigging awesome! Cons: lights could be better, autopilot also. The lack of wireless apple car play is remedied by a USB dongle from Charmingly at 20USD. I might add, no one gets a GT or N if they prioritize range exclusively. The EV6 GT is an electric racer with a practical side and better looking than the Ioniq5. It also compliments my petrol car, the GT4RS Weissach. Buckets it is!
@@boostavthese are super fun daily drivers that can perform excellent on a track if so desired. If you can’t deal with it’s shorter range, get the normal AWD LR version. They both charge like champs and easily can add 80% of charge and 250 km of range in less than 20 minutes.
@@boostav who is driving 220 miles in every day life? Certainly not the majority. To date, there has not been a single day on which I have had to recharge the 5N in everyday use. If it had been necessary, it would have cost me 10 minutes. I wonder who buys the less comfortable Tesla for more range, which doesn't get to the destination any faster either
I have a 2023 EV6 GT in Runway Red and absolutely love it! I've only roadtripped with it once, but the shorter range is offset quite well by the excellent charging curve. I drive it mainly drive around town and it is so much fun.
No it doesn't, for any EV really for that matter. It's just the generic narrative everyone has to complain about when it comes to an EV. Technically, range anxiety doesn't really exist. People have charging anxiety. Will the charging station work and/or have an available stall when they get there? This channel has proven that having 350+ miles of range (like everyone seems to feel like they need) is completely unnecessary. They have done multiple long range road trips across country, on the north, in the south, in the middle, and up and down both coasts. They've never needed more than 80% of any of the vehicles they've used to make it to the next charger.
@@jeffs6090 Not always, for someone who goes deep in GA or country areas sometimes having more range is useful when there aren't charging stations for over 50+ miles. Sometimes I'll need to make multiple stops around the area and notice I have to sometimes call it a day long before I would in a gas car. This is just one occasion where longer range is valued, but when I'm in a city it doesn't matter. I think a good chunk of America is suffering from "dead zones" where it's really far between the next fast charger.
@@vidaworksout These are like, one off situations. Maybe 1% of all the range complaints would be people wanting this. But as always, EVs aren't for everyone right now.
It might not matter as much as people claim, but comparing it to a low mpg ice car is not analogous. Typically those cars have bigger tanks, and it takes 5 minutes max to refuel. So their “range” is still fine, despite fuel prices going up.
@@jeffs6090 I just bought an I5 SEL AWD out of state and drove it 800 miles home. For the most part its fine but I had one leg of my trip where I got stuck on a bridge because of an accident for 4 hrs when its 39F outside. I had a 35-40 mile buffer before that but the 4 hr deadlock killed that buffer and once I got out of it I had to look around for a charger and had to go to 4 different places before I could even find a working one. Wasted an hr and the only one working was a 10kw charger, I had to sit it out to get 25 miles to get to my original charging destination with an EA charger, but I had to go 65 mph on the right lane of the highway to make sure we could make it there. Accidents and deadlocks happen so having range anxiety and charging anxiety is a real thing still. I wouldn't have sweat it in any of my other cars but that leg of the trip actually gave me some serious anxiety.
If you're new to EVs, I understand the general concern about range. None the least because rage is like the main thing cars are tested for on car channels. If charging infrastructure is not up to par, I also understand concerns remain. Hopefully that will improve. But actually owning EVs, being able to charge at home and having a typical use pattern (i.e. not a cross-continental salesman), range just isn't such a big thing. 200miles are way more than I need on a daily basis. And through the years I've learned it's better to take a break every 2 hours anyway on long trips, or the fatigue will cost you more at your destination. And people worry so much about range, they kinda forget about charging speed, where imho 18min vs 35min makes a quite significant difference to the owner experience, the difference between oh it's charged already or damn I need to actively wait for 10-15min. Then there is an additional aspect of these cars, especially the 5N. I approached it with a performance car mindset. Meaning I drive it for fun with no regard for economy, and simply charge when needed. Simple. The same as with the performance gasoline cars I owned which frankly are more inconvenient. Engine warming, cool downs, heat soak, frequent oil changes, worrying about money shifting and burned clutches and actually even more time spending looking for fuel station with the right brand and octane rating. At the same time 6 months in, I only got annoyed once at a broken charger. But the 5N is amazing to drive and it's the first EV that appeals to me so much it's actually replacing drives with gasoline fun cars.
235 eco tires would likely bring these most of the way back to the range of their standard AWD trims. Wide performance tires greatly increase rolling resistance.Test that next time for us!
I popped up to Denver on Saturday for my bday. Got 3.8mi/kWh on the way there and 3.9 on the way back. In my Bolt. Going 60-70mph. In below freezing temps on the way back. I didn't fast charge, just left it plugged in to a 120v outlet for the 6ish hours I was there. 240 miles, in the mountains, and the cold, in a 7 year old budget EV with CC2s on it. Going 75mph on flat ground it takes about 25kw. 60 is 15kw, and 85 is 50kw. Power needed is based on the square of the velocity, driving slower has a huge impact on range. Being more aerodynamic lessens that, but CD is on it's own while V is squared.
Ioniq 5 is less aerodynamic, has a widebody wirh more drag, weighs more, and has 275 instead of 255 width tires versus the EV6 GT. So all that extra battery will be used up and lost in worse efficiency. So the EPA numbers are kinda accurate after all. Definitely disappointing but its still plenty for daily driving. If you plan to road trip the car at 75mph you will definitely be stopping every 150 miles or so which isnt ideal.
That's every two hours. For me that's ideal. People are in such a hurry, not taking proper breaks when travelling long will only cost you in added fatigue at your destination. Yeah I understand the irony, but in truth, diesels have also always been "faster" on long distance travel than "Performance" gas cars!
Both vehicles would have actually exceeded the EPA estimated mileage, as you did most of the driving at highway speeds. The EPA uses a more complicated mix of driving, with a lower average speed. PS: Guess I'm blind, because the EV6 looks WAY better than any Ionic 5. EV6 has a European flair to it vs. the retro 80s Honda hatchback look of the ionic 5. Kyle needs to have an eye exam. 🙂
Thx Kyle. My 5 N rocks every hoonigan night out. The fun is in what it does and how it does it. Embarrassing the parachute gang every midnight at the meeting spot. LOL! And On/Off ramps every chance I get. And the shifting, the sounds, the F/R torque….it just always has something new to try. Fun for sure. My 1st distance drive to Dallas from OKC….great stories….90mph with bursts to - - - ! All those slow drivers holding up 10 cars in the left lane…..loved hyper transporting past them when a gap presented. Absolute blast. The charging infrastructure for a newb who hasn’t really traveled in an EV…..not so fun. But I got to geek out and be an EV nerd. In Dallas, I know why everyone has a Tesla. Big City traffic is all point and shoot and wait and repeat. Come do a range test with me sometime out in these parts. Show you what the 405 is all about. 😂
I still like the EV6 design more than the boxy Ioniq 5. Honestly the GT & N are both nearly track ready EVs which wasn't really designed for max range, similar to how you won't buy a M or AMG car because you cared for MPGs.
I talked with a guy who has an EV6GT. I sat in it, found it handsome,and very roomy. If I lived in a metro area or more developed suburb rather than in the country, I might go for one. I like the zoomy looks. The rear of the Ioniq 5 is quite boring to me. Otherwise it is also good looking.
I like the idea to rename/organize with the Testing Channel. While you’re renaming things , I kindly suggest that you consider renaming the 10% Challenge. Instead you should seriously consider calling it the “15 Minute Challenge.“ I think this name more accurately communicates what the test is all about…15 minute stops. Ten Percent is kind of a confusing name for those who aren’t regular viewers.
I hadn't considered this before but I'm sold and agree. I think the 15 minute challenge makes more sense because you stop at 10%, charge for 15 minutes, then drive until you're back at 10%, right? So the 10% has no relevance to the rest result, but 15 minutes does because that's how long you charge. Distance and time charging are the two relevant data points. 10% could just as easily be 12% or 8%.
No, because the goal is to make that a 10 minute stop and then a 5 minute stop. People will not be satisfied with improvements until its as quick as a stop for gas.
@@dpb22 I agree with you on one thing, that shorter charging stops are the goal and should improve significantly in the not too distant future. However at the point when it becomes realistic to shorten the testing period to 10 minutes or even 5 minutes, then Out of Spec could easily change the name of the test from "15 Minute Challenge" to "10 Minute Challenge" and so on. Like I said above, to me, naming the test for the amount of time the car has to accept as much energy as possible better communicates to the average car buyer what this test is all about.
The Ioniq 5 is much better in it's interior than the EV6, but it looks like a station wagon from the 70's or 80's on the outside. The only thing missing is the fake wood paneling on the side. So the EV6 has a much better looking exterior. But the young generation, like Kyle, that never had to suffer through that atrocious station wagon period don't know any better.
@ design is really such an individual view. I test drove both and I liked the EV6 which is why I went with it. They are quite different, the Ioniq is much more open, roomy with lighter interior. I like the cocoon, driver centric feeling in the EV6 with the dark interior. And I’m old enough to remember those cars too.
These are great cars but Model 3 Performance shows that efficiency (and charging cost) could be so much better. Higher Wh/mi equals higher cost (as is obvious).
I really want to trade to a 5N but I’ll miss AP however for reference I get 295miles on a Y Performance and I have 21” and 295’s, sure it’s not even in the same performance league, but then I can also put on smaller wheels and get over 300miles at 70mph and I have the smaller Lg battery, this terrible efficiency and crap auto drive assist have turned me off the 5N otherwise I’d get one
That's GM's strategy to delay the transition after killing the EV1 and selling it's technology to big oil. Unfortunately for them, Tesla installs plenty of stalls, and to confused Bolt drivers, most of whom always want to take the 350kW, they make them all the same speed with no labeling on them. I can see Bolt drivers going around asking in a panic, "which ones are the fastest? Which ones are the fastest? I need the fastest one for my Bolt!"😂
Here's what EVs should do with a buffer. The same thing that motorcycles try to do with the "reserve tank" valve - which is just a valve that lets you generally draw fuel from a spot an inch above the bottom of your tank, and let you draw from the VERY bottom when the level dips below the "normal" fuel inlet line. EVs should give you a "reserve range", and generally ignore it. They can report range with 0 being "above that" - just like the KIA was doing. But, when you get down to "Zero" - it should tell you "You are now in your reserve range. THIS is what THAT range is now - actually - and you can go THIS FAR before you stop dead." It should let people who want to never use their reserve tank know in the back of their minds that it's there if they need it, but then generally act like 0 indicated is all they ever wish to risk to get near. Yet, not fear it if they are getting close to that "0". And, give people who are in a dangerous spot the accurate information they need to deal with that danger situation.
EV6 in gray, silver, or black can't be beat. Would never buy the performance versions due to the impractical ranges though. Just imagine what this test would look like if it was snowing.
There’s a button in the center console where you can turn on the rear camera at any speed. I think Kyle hit it by mistake. You can set it to auto turn off when you drive over a certain speed which I think this car did. That’s a setting in the main settings menu.
I drove an Ionic 5 N on a derestriced autobahn here in Germany. Nobody drives this car at 70mph here. But at 122 mph the range deflates rapidly. But it is a great track car to use on Nürburgring, either GP Track or Nordschleife😊
Not surprising at all. The EV6 has narrower tires and an overall lower/smaller frontal area. It may also be a bit lighter in weight. These things all contribute greatly to a more efficient vehicle, not even taking into consideration any performance-related motor trade-offs made in the I-5 N vs. the regular I-5.
Not sure if it would have made any difference since you guys were runing cruise control, but i find putting the 5N in autoregen mode set at 0 the most efficient on highways. But again i dont ever plan to drive further than 400 miles for a trip ever so range isnt much of an issue for me
Dang it! I wish I could make it to the meet up, but I can't miss that day of work before I start using my PTO. I live in Charlotte and I'll probably be right in Raleigh that same weekend visiting family too lol
If you don’t need AWD, dual motor, go with EV6 GT-line with a base price of $54K. You’ll get 310 mi range, heats up display, sunroof, and efficiency near 3.8 mi/kWh. Seats and steering wheel are a step up. It’s not spicy enough for Kyle, but a great commuter EV. It has 120V VTL. When it can do 240V and charge another EV, I’ll upgrade my lease.
I have the EV6 rwd and the 5N. Of If you're a driving enthusiast that enjoyed gas performance cars for a long time, there simply is no comparison. The base EV6 could never have replaced my love for driving fun gasoline cars. The 5N actually has, no regrets whatsoever!
I own a 2023 gv60 performance that has roughly the same power specs as the Kia ev6 GT and during the colder months I can barely eek out 130 miles when going from 80 to low 20ish precent SOC. annoying but since I love the car in putting up with it.
I seriously looked into the EV6 GT, even inquired an out-of-state dealer about one for a good price. I decided on a used 2017 Tesla Model S 75D. Just couldn’t beat the price, after tax credit. I also have more faith in this Model S since it was 2nd gen vs EV6 is 1st gen & a brand new platform (at the time). Def some newer better features in the EV6.
@ Is that bumper to bumper? My battery & motor is 8 years; still 1 year left (used car). Total cost was a big factor for me. I’m also partial to a sedan vs “crossover” sized car. If my budget allowed it, I def would have tried more EV6 GT’s.
I believe zero should be zero. However if there’s some BMS sway I don’t want to experience what your dad did with the F150 on the coast to coast race. That’s an absolute no go. So I think having a bit of a buffer to account for that would be appropriate.
That’s how they decided to make it. If you put the regen to one, the regen is quite low but you have full brake blend. With regen at zero it will coast forever and then only use friction brake. I use it sometimes to make sure the brake pads don’t rust.
All EVs need the feature so they can change another ev. Vehicles using the NACS connectors should be able to supply DC current and charge at a higher rate of around 20 to 25 kws would be great.
@@Tazdeviloo7 I'm currently looking at getting a car for the wife. What I have found in California is used electric cars are the cheapest then gas then the most expensive are hybrids. I have a deposit on a brand new VW id4 which has an MSRP of 52k and the price after rebates and dealer discounts is 26k. I'm hesitant on purchasing it when the stop sale ends just due to how long VW is taking to fix their issues but it's tempting with it being so cheap.
@tpolarbeart I got a 2 year old Ioniq 5 AWD with 7k miles for $28k. The deals are out there. The first owner had the 7500 tax credit so that also contributes to it
2023 Ioniq 5 owner. I would be interested to see the effects of tire width and rim diameter on the efficiency. Very disappointed with the efficiency but, so what! I do not road trip with my car.
At least he blesses us with chapters, so we can immediately skip the ads. But yea, it's getting pretty bad. I mean, i get it, as he needs to make money...... but still.
Fun fact: The EV6GT and GT opt(add surround view and remote park stuff) are both more expensive than the 5N in China! While being basically the cheapest price anywhere in the world at ~55k for either This is what competition does to the prices of your cars. Imagine if only the US allowed Chinese EVs in how much more improvements can happen
I’m confused because Moroney sticker on the EV6-GT I leased 2 weeks ago said 310 mi range. I will use it as a commuter for business so range isn’t critical due to home charger. Kia & other incentives took $17.1 K off MSRP on a 24 mo lease. No complaints now, but if that changes, maybe they will let me swap it for an Ionic 5N.
@@lemongavine Now you have me looking at the fine print. Mine is GT-Line, not GT. This means it has a single motor, 310 mi range, surround view monitor, special steering wheel, and remote smart parking assist. It does not have the racing seats in GT, but does have attractive two-tone light grey & black seats. Mine came with a tow hitch (never use it), cargo mats, and floor mats. No, monthly price is not cheap becasue I told dealer to put all taxes and upfront fees into monthly payment. After frustrating negotiation, he said $450/mo was lowest he could go when I wanted 400. Therefore, I walked out. The GM saw I wasn't going to buy and agree to my deal, I think becasue 2025's are coming in soon. Did I steal it, no way, they made some profit.
@@johnpoldo8817 Glad you figured it out. It's definitely confusing calling one the GT and another the GT-Line. But yeah, very different cars, especially in terms of power, performance & range.
I think instead of a SOC%, all EV should have a gauge similar to ICE cars’ fuel gauge. That way, not only will you not know how deep the buffer is. You won’t even know for sure where zero is.
@@RONderluckThe whole point of a comment is interaction/discussion. I know it's the first time your parents have let you use the internet as a 12 year old, but you're being edgy and abrasive for no reason.
I'd buy an N for big range. I'm not spending that kind of money solely as a track/fun car. At that price it needs to do everything, which includes longer range trips. And sure, I get it charges quickly, but if I'm pulling over to charge every 200 miles MAX, I'm not digging it as a road tripper.
It's a super fun car but definitely still easily a daily driver like any other hot hatch. I drove a bunch of different cars at an EV event including an S Plaid and a Lucid, and the 5N was the one I kept thinking about afterwards. It's a great car.
Owning both your AssUming charging speed is most important. Your wrong. Because finding working chargers is near impossible in and around Las Vegas. I’ve been stranded twice with the GT and once in the 5N. You can waste 10% driving around trying to find a working 48kw charger. Most are 6.6kw here. Which is useless.
I noticed it was 65 degrees during this test. So during winter, you're probably realistically looking at around 130.... maybe 140 miles of useable range. I'm no EV hater, as we have an ID4, and M3P.... but that is HORRIBLE range. Takes a lot for me to say that, as the M3P isn't exactly a stalwart of range either.
Well, it probably won't lose quite that much, especially if you precondition and preheat the cabin on a charger. Though if you are going on a road trip and can only fast charge 10-80 that loses 30% of your 218 mile range off the top and then lose 20% to cold and road conditions in the winter... Yeah, 50% for each leg, at 75MPH you are stopping every hour and a half for 20 minutes... Assuming you can get full speed charging at every stop, there are no charging issues, and no one else is using the charger. Probably every stop will more likely average 30-40 minutes.
@@Snerdles I own BOTH. And in cold weather, live in Vegas, range is horrid. You will lose 70 miles of range once temps get to around 40 in the mornings right now. These are golf carts make no mistake about it.
@@uutube243 dang, I've been dreaming about the i5N for a while but I park outside and live in a place in Canada that gets to below -20C quite regularly each winter. Losing that much at above freezing is abysmally bad.
Kyle, it has occurred to me that all of your range tests could be skewed by the fact that you are at or near 5000 feet above sea level. I asked AI about an EV's range at altitude, and it says it could gain as much as 17%. Thoughts?
Yep, thinner, but all of the tests are on the same section of road, so the relative differences should be the same. I have driven from Detroit to west Colorado a couple times now, and I have to say other factors swamp the gain from elevation. I would have to run many laps on a level track to be able to isolate the effect of elevation.
I understand “range anxiety” if you live in BFE… like Wyoming. But it’s completely an overblown issue in the populous areas of the country. I mean there are areas of New Mexico where you can drive hundreds of miles without finding any building whatsoever, certainly no gas stations. Just seems so dumb that people in the middle of nowhere have made adoption of EVs slower because they fear all change. I’m up for cutting off grocery deliveries and goods to all the wanna be “rugged individuals” who like to pretend they don’t live in society just because they cant see a neighbor. Unless you have your own well, raise or hunt for all your food, generate all your power/heat/electricity on your own, you never call police, or ambulance, or fire, and you refuse to take any modern medicine, and your ok with being the only person to educate your children… stop pretending to be a libertarian, self-sufficient person. Wyoming cowboys are soft.
These EV's are not made for range, and neither are they priced for the type of buyer who want them for range. For range preferring customers, they sell lower priced, none performance models of these same vehicles.
These cars are cool but this low of range is a deal breaker. I can't imagine how bad it gets in the dead of winter. That amazing fast charging isn't very useful when you can't cover the distance between chargers.
What? No sweatshirt? 70 degrees outside and he lost the hoodie? I have seen races with 115 degrees out in the desert and Kyle is wearing that hoodie... Who is this imposter? LOL Want a performance car and you get a "gas guzzler". Seems pretty normal. If you have a perf car you need a bigger battery for sure. eGMP cars are just not very efficient for sure regardless of the model or trim. Even the SE Ioniq 6 isn't really that remarkable for efficiency. Ioniq 5 looks good in any trim. Just a great looking car.
The 6 in RWD is pretty efficient, especially with the smaller tires. Still not quite model 3 territory, but we'll up there when it comes to the range of EVs out there.
@@Snerdles They already did the 10% challenge and range test on the Ioniq 6 SE RWD. It did OK at 70mph, but it's efficiency falls off a cliff and doesn't really do that well in the 10% challenge as far as efficiency, but it did manage 141 miles. So it manages to brute force some miles in the 10% challenge. I would expect it to do better in the efficiency department, but sadly it doesn't. The Model 3 is really the exception when it comes to efficiency at higher speeds, but then again it is a smaller car. There is a refresh coming for the I6 so hopefully we will get some more improvements out of it.
I have never seen an Ioniq 5n on the road...and I drive between Philadelphia and NYC regularly...people were super hyped about this car so where are they?
I only ever saw one at a dealer and that's the only one I've ever seen in person. They wouldn't even let me sit in it to try out the bucket seats because they were just holding it for another dealership since it came in through the port in my city.
Literally 20 minutes of talking about charging like it was a race🤦. I used to watch the channel more but something changed that it's actually gotten pretty annoying.
In conclusion if you want a miserable road trip where you need to drive like grandma so you dont get stranded and waste 30 minutes charging get an EV .
ruclips.net/video/GpIij25Wzcw/видео.html I was confused of the buffer when the car was new. I did some testing from 100% to 0% and thought i have already 4-5% degradation on a brand new car. I also think this ca. 3,5Kwh buffer is the reason for the BMS to show better numbers in the top 50% and lower on the botton because about 5% is just hidden in the buffer. So i am not a hugh fan. But on the other side you should have some buffer to protect the battery and for safty reasons. I only wish they informed the customer about this buffer. It should not be their exercise to explore it on their own, like i did. You also seem to have buffer on top which is used to eat up some degardation. Nice. After more than 50.000 km or about 35.000 miles i am still able to use about 73Kwh plus buffer (3,5KwH) so 99-100% of 77KwH
The Kia/Hyundai battery buffers were not really designed to be used in everyday driving use, which is why the cars report zero not taking the buffer into account. The intent is to be used to keep the cabin usable (warm/cool etc.) and safe if you're stuck somewhere for a couple of hours waiting for recovery to arrive to charge the car having pulled over in the midst of nowhere with zero battery (in utility mode without draining the 12v battery). Although the cars will allow the an extra few miles of the buffer capacity to be used in case of emergencies to get to a charger, if one's available that close. The buffers capacity also keep's the battery warm in cold conditions to ensure is can charge quickly from zero (with little degredation impact). The buffer is described in the manual and in my case the dealer covered it during the car handover session.
Quick note, Kyle mentioned the IONIQ 5 has a larger battery than it does, Hyundai quotes an 84kWh usable capacity. Sorry for this!
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Wheels hurt a lot the range, and the wheels on the Hyundai are a lot bigger
@@danieldaso3800 I'd be interested to see a test where you just change the wheels to smaller ones and see how that effects range. Also important on these cars to run them in eco when going for range since that disengages the front motor.
@@Tazdeviloo7very interesting, I believe will give at least 40-50 miles
owner of an EV6 GT and an Ioniq 5 Ltd AWD here. A couple of points that I think balance out the comparison and the focus on range:
1. These cars deliver pretty insane performance for the price, and one of the compromises in doing that is that the most expensive component of the car (the battery) is not overspec'd. You always have to have the price in mind here when you are comparing the bonkers performance of either of these to other vehicles, such as a Lucid, Plaid, or '25 Taycan. Very valid that, if you need to optimize for road trips and range, the Highland 3 Performance is the clear winner here (if you are ok buying a car from Elon).
2. In my area (California) where I take road trips, there's really not a concern between taking the EV6 GT and our Ioniq 5 to optimize for range. You basically stop in the same places, and either car charges faster than my family usually takes getting snacks or relieving themselves. The biggest worry on my roadtrips is how overjammed and craptastic EA is going to be, not whether my car goes 200mi or 250mi before charging. Most folks do not run their cars to 0% SOC on road trips, and the eGMP cars in particular need to be pre-conditioned with over 20% SOC or else you may have a non-optimal battery temp when you reach the charger anyhow. So the whole premise of the range sucking I haven't found that important unless you are comparing with range champs like a model 3 or 2-motor versions of the eGMP cars that are more optimized for range. Personally, so long as you get a temp-optimized battery at a good EA dispenser, these cars are charging beasts for their price and it's really not a big deal.
3. I agree that the seats in BOTH the EV6 GT and the Ioniq 5 are not for all. They are identical seats save for lighted N and ventilation in the 5N seats. Both are manual, although 5N might be lower in terms of seating position. I am 5'8" and thin, and have no problem feeling comfy in the GT, and in the 5N on a test drive. Two other developments about seats: (a) The refresh 26 EV6 GT will have standard power non-bolstered seats as standard, with the current seats as an option. This solves my main seat complaint, no power on these seats, no memory positions. (b) The real move here is to wait for the GV60 Magma, which is an 5N with a Genesis interior, including high-bolstered POWER seats and lovely stitching on everything and generally higher interior quality.
4. I leased my GT well before the 5N came out, but pricing for both is absolutely not just a $5k difference these days. EV6 GTs can easily be had for $50k with great leasing rates too. The 5N is way more in demand, and commands a much higher, close to MSRP price, and much worse lease deals. If you absolutely want the best performance eGMP right now, 5N might be the way to go, but just note these are a quantum difference in price from what I've seen (ask me why I haven't traded up for a performance blue already....)
5. I find the EV6 GT a real hoot to drive on my commute, around town, on the occasional CA roadtrip, and definitely for canyon therapy on the weekends. For the $52k I financed under my lease, I still think it's a good deal and something you might be a little unfair in hating on as much as you do in this video. This all being said, I will probably replace at the end of my 3-year lease with a 5N, GV60 Magma, or a Neue Klasse i3 if BMW doesn't screw that up from the concept.
@@ev_kimchi hey this was a good writeup! Thanks
Thank you for the comparisons! A lot of I5N videos talk about the track performance, but daily use review is few and far between, learning about how they are day-to-day is also very important for a car :D
two other features I'm sad the US-spec Ioniq 5N doesn't include: no glass roof or sunroof, and also no HUD. HMG's HUD is really nice and is a feature I use every day, and it seems they cut this for the US market for cost reasons, as HUD is offered for 5Ns sold outside of the US
@@ev_kimchi That's so unfortunate. Here we have HUD as base, and the only option is 700USD(roughly exchanged) for the glass roof, and both aspects are amazing
I just bought the EV6 GT for local daily driving and once a month a 600km round trip commute with 350kW Ionity chargers and Tesla V2/V3 chargers en route. I also once a month do a 160km commute. Daily charging to 80% but only do 20-30 km on daily basis with 320km of range. When I do my big commute I charge 100% and get 380-390km of range now in the winter. That suffices for my 300km leg on way, but often do a 10-12min charge at the awesome Ionity chargers and with the 240kW charging capability of the EV6 GT, that equates to another 150km of added range. I could’ve bought the EV6 AWD LR with 530km of range, but the awesome bucketseats, breathtaking performance and suspension of the GT was enough to convince me to get the shorter range GT. No regrets!
Btw, my previous EV was a 2020 Taycan 4S, and I must say at a third of the price, the EV6 GT is a steal in comparison, and it’s faster, more practical and a rarer sight on our EV packed roads with EVs comprising 94% of all new car sales last month.
I especially like the cross over ride height in conjunction with the all manual bucket seats which are a dream to use instead of waiting for sloooow electric motors winding the seat in every direction. You just slam it all the way back in a tenth of a second, to allow for easy egress every time you exit the car. The Meridian sound system is frigging awesome! Cons: lights could be better, autopilot also. The lack of wireless apple car play is remedied by a USB dongle from Charmingly at 20USD.
I might add, no one gets a GT or N if they prioritize range exclusively. The EV6 GT is an electric racer with a practical side and better looking than the Ioniq5. It also compliments my petrol car, the GT4RS Weissach. Buckets it is!
These are not track toys, majority of people buying them do need the range as well.
@@boostavthese are super fun daily drivers that can perform excellent on a track if so desired. If you can’t deal with it’s shorter range, get the normal AWD LR version. They both charge like champs and easily can add 80% of charge and 250 km of range in less than 20 minutes.
Note: Only V3 and V4 Tesla chargers will be available for use from non-Tesla vehicles, not V2.
@@_cjmccullough
I am so glad that we are independent of the Superchargers in Europe and have many 350kW chargers here
@@boostav who is driving 220 miles in every day life?
Certainly not the majority.
To date, there has not been a single day on which I have had to recharge the 5N in everyday use.
If it had been necessary, it would have cost me 10 minutes.
I wonder who buys the less comfortable Tesla for more range, which doesn't get to the destination any faster either
I have a 2023 EV6 GT in Runway Red and absolutely love it! I've only roadtripped with it once, but the shorter range is offset quite well by the excellent charging curve. I drive it mainly drive around town and it is so much fun.
So true!
^^^ This
Does the low range really matter? No one buying an ICE sports car is complaining about its MPG.
No it doesn't, for any EV really for that matter. It's just the generic narrative everyone has to complain about when it comes to an EV. Technically, range anxiety doesn't really exist. People have charging anxiety. Will the charging station work and/or have an available stall when they get there? This channel has proven that having 350+ miles of range (like everyone seems to feel like they need) is completely unnecessary. They have done multiple long range road trips across country, on the north, in the south, in the middle, and up and down both coasts. They've never needed more than 80% of any of the vehicles they've used to make it to the next charger.
@@jeffs6090 Not always, for someone who goes deep in GA or country areas sometimes having more range is useful when there aren't charging stations for over 50+ miles. Sometimes I'll need to make multiple stops around the area and notice I have to sometimes call it a day long before I would in a gas car. This is just one occasion where longer range is valued, but when I'm in a city it doesn't matter. I think a good chunk of America is suffering from "dead zones" where it's really far between the next fast charger.
@@vidaworksout These are like, one off situations. Maybe 1% of all the range complaints would be people wanting this. But as always, EVs aren't for everyone right now.
It might not matter as much as people claim, but comparing it to a low mpg ice car is not analogous. Typically those cars have bigger tanks, and it takes 5 minutes max to refuel. So their “range” is still fine, despite fuel prices going up.
@@jeffs6090 I just bought an I5 SEL AWD out of state and drove it 800 miles home. For the most part its fine but I had one leg of my trip where I got stuck on a bridge because of an accident for 4 hrs when its 39F outside. I had a 35-40 mile buffer before that but the 4 hr deadlock killed that buffer and once I got out of it I had to look around for a charger and had to go to 4 different places before I could even find a working one. Wasted an hr and the only one working was a 10kw charger, I had to sit it out to get 25 miles to get to my original charging destination with an EA charger, but I had to go 65 mph on the right lane of the highway to make sure we could make it there. Accidents and deadlocks happen so having range anxiety and charging anxiety is a real thing still. I wouldn't have sweat it in any of my other cars but that leg of the trip actually gave me some serious anxiety.
I still like the Look of the EV6 more than this Pixel Box design of the Ioniq 5
Just signed up for the IONNA Cars and Coffee. So excited to do some testing!
If you're new to EVs, I understand the general concern about range. None the least because rage is like the main thing cars are tested for on car channels.
If charging infrastructure is not up to par, I also understand concerns remain. Hopefully that will improve.
But actually owning EVs, being able to charge at home and having a typical use pattern (i.e. not a cross-continental salesman), range just isn't such a big thing. 200miles are way more than I need on a daily basis. And through the years I've learned it's better to take a break every 2 hours anyway on long trips, or the fatigue will cost you more at your destination. And people worry so much about range, they kinda forget about charging speed, where imho 18min vs 35min makes a quite significant difference to the owner experience, the difference between oh it's charged already or damn I need to actively wait for 10-15min.
Then there is an additional aspect of these cars, especially the 5N. I approached it with a performance car mindset. Meaning I drive it for fun with no regard for economy, and simply charge when needed. Simple. The same as with the performance gasoline cars I owned which frankly are more inconvenient. Engine warming, cool downs, heat soak, frequent oil changes, worrying about money shifting and burned clutches and actually even more time spending looking for fuel station with the right brand and octane rating. At the same time 6 months in, I only got annoyed once at a broken charger. But the 5N is amazing to drive and it's the first EV that appeals to me so much it's actually replacing drives with gasoline fun cars.
This is the hill we are going to die on. Nice play on words there!
235 eco tires would likely bring these most of the way back to the range of their standard AWD trims. Wide performance tires greatly increase rolling resistance.Test that next time for us!
I popped up to Denver on Saturday for my bday. Got 3.8mi/kWh on the way there and 3.9 on the way back. In my Bolt. Going 60-70mph. In below freezing temps on the way back.
I didn't fast charge, just left it plugged in to a 120v outlet for the 6ish hours I was there. 240 miles, in the mountains, and the cold, in a 7 year old budget EV with CC2s on it.
Going 75mph on flat ground it takes about 25kw. 60 is 15kw, and 85 is 50kw. Power needed is based on the square of the velocity, driving slower has a huge impact on range.
Being more aerodynamic lessens that, but CD is on it's own while V is squared.
Force is square with speed, as is fuel consumption. Power is cube.
Sorry Kyle, but you also like the look of the cyber truck 😅 so not trusting your eyes on looks.
Ioniq 5 is less aerodynamic, has a widebody wirh more drag, weighs more, and has 275 instead of 255 width tires versus the EV6 GT. So all that extra battery will be used up and lost in worse efficiency.
So the EPA numbers are kinda accurate after all. Definitely disappointing but its still plenty for daily driving. If you plan to road trip the car at 75mph you will definitely be stopping every 150 miles or so which isnt ideal.
That's every two hours. For me that's ideal. People are in such a hurry, not taking proper breaks when travelling long will only cost you in added fatigue at your destination. Yeah I understand the irony, but in truth, diesels have also always been "faster" on long distance travel than "Performance" gas cars!
@@onehorsepower Ehh I feel like 2 hours is too short for me. 3-4 hours is ideal.
Both vehicles would have actually exceeded the EPA estimated mileage, as you did most of the driving at highway speeds. The EPA uses a more complicated mix of driving, with a lower average speed.
PS: Guess I'm blind, because the EV6 looks WAY better than any Ionic 5. EV6 has a European flair to it vs. the retro 80s Honda hatchback look of the ionic 5. Kyle needs to have an eye exam. 🙂
Thx Kyle. My 5 N rocks every hoonigan night out. The fun is in what it does and how it does it. Embarrassing the parachute gang every midnight at the meeting spot. LOL! And On/Off ramps every chance I get. And the shifting, the sounds, the F/R torque….it just always has something new to try. Fun for sure. My 1st distance drive to Dallas from OKC….great stories….90mph with bursts to - - - ! All those slow drivers holding up 10 cars in the left lane…..loved hyper transporting past them when a gap presented. Absolute blast. The charging infrastructure for a newb who hasn’t really traveled in an EV…..not so fun. But I got to geek out and be an EV nerd. In Dallas, I know why everyone has a Tesla. Big City traffic is all point and shoot and wait and repeat. Come do a range test with me sometime out in these parts. Show you what the 405 is all about. 😂
I love the EV6 ...like the look..hope the refresh give more range.
The non-GT regular car has much much better range.
@@tomm5936and are just fine, if you don’t want the insane performance and the awesome GT interior..
A Model Y with its efficiency and the egmp 84 kWh battery with its 800 Volt system and fast charging would be such a great combination
I still like the EV6 design more than the boxy Ioniq 5. Honestly the GT & N are both nearly track ready EVs which wasn't really designed for max range, similar to how you won't buy a M or AMG car because you cared for MPGs.
I talked with a guy who has an EV6GT. I sat in it, found it handsome,and very roomy. If I lived in a metro area or more developed suburb rather than in the country, I might go for one. I like the zoomy looks. The rear of the Ioniq 5 is quite boring to me. Otherwise it is also good looking.
I like the idea to rename/organize with the Testing Channel. While you’re renaming things , I kindly suggest that you consider renaming the 10% Challenge. Instead you should seriously consider calling it the “15 Minute Challenge.“ I think this name more accurately communicates what the test is all about…15 minute stops. Ten Percent is kind of a confusing name for those who aren’t regular viewers.
I hadn't considered this before but I'm sold and agree. I think the 15 minute challenge makes more sense because you stop at 10%, charge for 15 minutes, then drive until you're back at 10%, right? So the 10% has no relevance to the rest result, but 15 minutes does because that's how long you charge. Distance and time charging are the two relevant data points. 10% could just as easily be 12% or 8%.
No, because the goal is to make that a 10 minute stop and then a 5 minute stop. People will not be satisfied with improvements until its as quick as a stop for gas.
@@dpb22 I agree with you on one thing, that shorter charging stops are the goal and should improve significantly in the not too distant future. However at the point when it becomes realistic to shorten the testing period to 10 minutes or even 5 minutes, then Out of Spec could easily change the name of the test from "15 Minute Challenge" to "10 Minute Challenge" and so on. Like I said above, to me, naming the test for the amount of time the car has to accept as much energy as possible better communicates to the average car buyer what this test is all about.
So their ranges are pretty much as advertised. Good to know.
"So many people commented that they like the EV6 looks better... but they're just blind." -Kyle 😆😆😆
Kyle has often said he’s not a design guy. I agree with him on that 😂
Seeing both online and up close... Ioniq 5 just doesn't translate to screens. In flesh, at least to me, it's just awesome!
The Ioniq 5 is much better in it's interior than the EV6, but it looks like a station wagon from the 70's or 80's on the outside. The only thing missing is the fake wood paneling on the side. So the EV6 has a much better looking exterior. But the young generation, like Kyle, that never had to suffer through that atrocious station wagon period don't know any better.
@ design is really such an individual view. I test drove both and I liked the EV6 which is why I went with it. They are quite different, the Ioniq is much more open, roomy with lighter interior. I like the cocoon, driver centric feeling in the EV6 with the dark interior. And I’m old enough to remember those cars too.
The ioniq 5 looks like a modern day Chevette 😭
Closer than I expected. Fwiw the EV6 GT definitely looks better 😅😅
Agreed on both items
These are great cars but Model 3 Performance shows that efficiency (and charging cost) could be so much better. Higher Wh/mi equals higher cost (as is obvious).
What happened to considering the other EGMP? I think the Genesis GV60 is a great luxurious, comfortable, daily driver!
Now we need a range test with both versions having the rwd motors and large packs.
Now, it would be great to try a more efficient set of wheel and tires on one of those beast
Which OBD-2 dongle do you guys use?
I really want to trade to a 5N but I’ll miss AP however for reference I get 295miles on a Y Performance and I have 21” and 295’s, sure it’s not even in the same performance league, but then I can also put on smaller wheels and get over 300miles at 70mph and I have the smaller Lg battery, this terrible efficiency and crap auto drive assist have turned me off the 5N otherwise I’d get one
The event and location sounds like it will be great. I’ll have to swing by the next time I’m in the Raleigh area.
Sureeeee. Big stress test when all of those Chevy Bolts show up.
The Bolt drivers have to plug in and leave. Then the stress will be with the other drivers.
That's GM's strategy to delay the transition after killing the EV1 and selling it's technology to big oil. Unfortunately for them, Tesla installs plenty of stalls, and to confused Bolt drivers, most of whom always want to take the 350kW, they make them all the same speed with no labeling on them. I can see Bolt drivers going around asking in a panic, "which ones are the fastest? Which ones are the fastest? I need the fastest one for my Bolt!"😂
@@junehanzawa5165 😂
Your Out of Spec Testing channel is not listed in the list of OOS channels.
From how he was talking about it, it seems like they are still working on setting up the channel. So obviously it's not active yet.
@@jeffs6090 It is up. There are videos posted on that channel that are days old.
Any chance you can review the 2024 Ford etransit range fully loaded soon?
9:58 "I guess I'm gonna die before you." Not a phrase you hear in the workplace that often. 😅
In my ioniq5 70mph testing i got 225mi at 70°f and 140mi at 10°f
Don't people know how backup cameras work?
The bots seem to really enjoy this range test 🙄
Looking forward to my first EV meetup!
The 28:31 ioniq5 N Check in. He was bumping 😂 Was sounding pretty good on the subs on my surround system.
Kyle, are the shirt sales to cover the cost of your DC fast charger at the hub? 😊
Here's what EVs should do with a buffer. The same thing that motorcycles try to do with the "reserve tank" valve - which is just a valve that lets you generally draw fuel from a spot an inch above the bottom of your tank, and let you draw from the VERY bottom when the level dips below the "normal" fuel inlet line.
EVs should give you a "reserve range", and generally ignore it. They can report range with 0 being "above that" - just like the KIA was doing. But, when you get down to "Zero" - it should tell you "You are now in your reserve range. THIS is what THAT range is now - actually - and you can go THIS FAR before you stop dead."
It should let people who want to never use their reserve tank know in the back of their minds that it's there if they need it, but then generally act like 0 indicated is all they ever wish to risk to get near. Yet, not fear it if they are getting close to that "0". And, give people who are in a dangerous spot the accurate information they need to deal with that danger situation.
EV6 in gray, silver, or black can't be beat. Would never buy the performance versions due to the impractical ranges though. Just imagine what this test would look like if it was snowing.
At 19:21 how the heck did you get the rear camera onto the display when indicating?
There’s a button in the center console where you can turn on the rear camera at any speed. I think Kyle hit it by mistake. You can set it to auto turn off when you drive over a certain speed which I think this car did. That’s a setting in the main settings menu.
I drove an Ionic 5 N on a derestriced autobahn here in Germany. Nobody drives this car at 70mph here. But at 122 mph the range deflates rapidly. But it is a great track car to use on Nürburgring, either GP Track or Nordschleife😊
Could one just out super eco tires on one of these and they'd get to the range of the non-sport models?
That is why we love Kyle. Nerd detail concluded with simple summary “great car it just has s…”
Not surprising at all. The EV6 has narrower tires and an overall lower/smaller frontal area. It may also be a bit lighter in weight. These things all contribute greatly to a more efficient vehicle, not even taking into consideration any performance-related motor trade-offs made in the I-5 N vs. the regular I-5.
Not sure if it would have made any difference since you guys were runing cruise control, but i find putting the 5N in autoregen mode set at 0 the most efficient on highways. But again i dont ever plan to drive further than 400 miles for a trip ever so range isnt much of an issue for me
Dang it! I wish I could make it to the meet up, but I can't miss that day of work before I start using my PTO. I live in Charlotte and I'll probably be right in Raleigh that same weekend visiting family too lol
If you don’t need AWD, dual motor, go with EV6 GT-line with a base price of $54K. You’ll get 310 mi range, heats up display, sunroof, and efficiency near 3.8 mi/kWh. Seats and steering wheel are a step up. It’s not spicy enough for Kyle, but a great commuter EV. It has 120V VTL. When it can do 240V and charge another EV, I’ll upgrade my lease.
I have the EV6 rwd and the 5N. Of
If you're a driving enthusiast that enjoyed gas performance cars for a long time, there simply is no comparison. The base EV6 could never have replaced my love for driving fun gasoline cars.
The 5N actually has, no regrets whatsoever!
@@onehorsepowerhave you driven the GT? It’s a stunningly practical performance electric car
I own a 2023 gv60 performance that has roughly the same power specs as the Kia ev6 GT and during the colder months I can barely eek out 130 miles when going from 80 to low 20ish precent SOC. annoying but since I love the car in putting up with it.
Kyle, any chance you could do a range test of the EV6 GT or the Ioniq 5N on 19" wheels?
I seriously looked into the EV6 GT, even inquired an out-of-state dealer about one for a good price. I decided on a used 2017 Tesla Model S 75D. Just couldn’t beat the price, after tax credit. I also have more faith in this Model S since it was 2nd gen vs EV6 is 1st gen & a brand new platform (at the time). Def some newer better features in the EV6.
Kia has 7yrs of warranty.. and is a way better car
@ Is that bumper to bumper? My battery & motor is 8 years; still 1 year left (used car).
Total cost was a big factor for me.
I’m also partial to a sedan vs “crossover” sized car. If my budget allowed it, I def would have tried more EV6 GT’s.
I believe zero should be zero. However if there’s some BMS sway I don’t want to experience what your dad did with the F150 on the coast to coast race. That’s an absolute no go. So I think having a bit of a buffer to account for that would be appropriate.
Why wouldn’t it use
Blended brake regen if you set it to recuperation zero?
That’s how they decided to make it. If you put the regen to one, the regen is quite low but you have full brake blend. With regen at zero it will coast forever and then only use friction brake. I use it sometimes to make sure the brake pads don’t rust.
All EVs need the feature so they can change another ev. Vehicles using the NACS connectors should be able to supply DC current and charge at a higher rate of around 20 to 25 kws would be great.
Better charging, but less range than the 2 GM’s with similar size batteries as the N. Of course the GM’s don’t amp up the HP as high either though.
The best part about ev depreciation is in a few years you can get this for half off.
Just like every other car after covid
@@Tazdeviloo7 I'm currently looking at getting a car for the wife. What I have found in California is used electric cars are the cheapest then gas then the most expensive are hybrids. I have a deposit on a brand new VW id4 which has an MSRP of 52k and the price after rebates and dealer discounts is 26k. I'm hesitant on purchasing it when the stop sale ends just due to how long VW is taking to fix their issues but it's tempting with it being so cheap.
@tpolarbeart I got a 2 year old Ioniq 5 AWD with 7k miles for $28k. The deals are out there. The first owner had the 7500 tax credit so that also contributes to it
2023 Ioniq 5 owner. I would be interested to see the effects of tire width and rim diameter on the efficiency. Very disappointed with the efficiency but, so what! I do not road trip with my car.
Please tell me I'm not the only one who watches OoS at 1.5x speed.
Here too
1.75
Every youtube video I watch is min 1.25x but the norm is 1.5x
1.75😂
I would go for the Hyundai Ioniq 5n..reminds me of a ICEvehicle vw GTI
My gawd! More than two minutes of ads!
At least he blesses us with chapters, so we can immediately skip the ads. But yea, it's getting pretty bad. I mean, i get it, as he needs to make money...... but still.
ad rates are highest in December, so Kyle is optimizing for ad revenue....
Fun fact: The EV6GT and GT opt(add surround view and remote park stuff) are both more expensive than the 5N in China! While being basically the cheapest price anywhere in the world at ~55k for either
This is what competition does to the prices of your cars. Imagine if only the US allowed Chinese EVs in how much more improvements can happen
I am not seeing the link to sign up am I missing it . I don’t see it and is the location the 400 N Salem Street, Apex, NC?
I’m confused because Moroney sticker on the EV6-GT I leased 2 weeks ago said 310 mi range. I will use it as a commuter for business so range isn’t critical due to home charger. Kia & other incentives took $17.1 K off MSRP on a 24 mo lease. No complaints now, but if that changes, maybe they will let me swap it for an Ionic 5N.
Are you sure it's a GT? That range sounds like maybe a RWD model. Also, $17K off and 24-month lease? Your payment must be super-low then.
@@lemongavine Now you have me looking at the fine print. Mine is GT-Line, not GT. This means it has a single motor, 310 mi range, surround view monitor, special steering wheel, and remote smart parking assist. It does not have the racing seats in GT, but does have attractive two-tone light grey & black seats. Mine came with a tow hitch (never use it), cargo mats, and floor mats. No, monthly price is not cheap becasue I told dealer to put all taxes and upfront fees into monthly payment. After frustrating negotiation, he said $450/mo was lowest he could go when I wanted 400. Therefore, I walked out. The GM saw I wasn't going to buy and agree to my deal, I think becasue 2025's are coming in soon. Did I steal it, no way, they made some profit.
@@johnpoldo8817 Glad you figured it out. It's definitely confusing calling one the GT and another the GT-Line. But yeah, very different cars, especially in terms of power, performance & range.
Yikes is right. I'll be waving in my Ford Lightning ER as I drive by. No longer the lowest range full size EV :).
I think I would be passing them in my Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally
I think instead of a SOC%, all EV should have a gauge similar to ICE cars’ fuel gauge. That way, not only will you not know how deep the buffer is. You won’t even know for sure where zero is.
I’m saying I agree with the Germans who believe that 0 is 0 (except when they’re talking about diesel emissions)
When I bought my 5N, my neighbors got jealous, and they went out and bought 5Ns
They are pretty amazing. I would definitely buy one if I were in the market.
@ I didn’t ask you
@@RONderluckThe whole point of a comment is interaction/discussion.
I know it's the first time your parents have let you use the internet as a 12 year old, but you're being edgy and abrasive for no reason.
@ I’ve actually been using the internet since the late 80s when it basically nothing. Bought my first computer in 1983. Definitely not 12
Nice ! Love EGMP
Do you take video while driving???
nope. video takes the video. derp
I'd buy an N for big range. I'm not spending that kind of money solely as a track/fun car. At that price it needs to do everything, which includes longer range trips. And sure, I get it charges quickly, but if I'm pulling over to charge every 200 miles MAX, I'm not digging it as a road tripper.
You don't want a 20 minute break every 200 miles?
It's a super fun car but definitely still easily a daily driver like any other hot hatch.
I drove a bunch of different cars at an EV event including an S Plaid and a Lucid, and the 5N was the one I kept thinking about afterwards. It's a great car.
Owning both your AssUming charging speed is most important. Your wrong. Because finding working chargers is near impossible in and around Las Vegas. I’ve been stranded twice with the GT and once in the 5N. You can waste 10% driving around trying to find a working 48kw charger. Most are 6.6kw here. Which is useless.
I noticed it was 65 degrees during this test. So during winter, you're probably realistically looking at around 130.... maybe 140 miles of useable range. I'm no EV hater, as we have an ID4, and M3P.... but that is HORRIBLE range. Takes a lot for me to say that, as the M3P isn't exactly a stalwart of range either.
Well, it probably won't lose quite that much, especially if you precondition and preheat the cabin on a charger. Though if you are going on a road trip and can only fast charge 10-80 that loses 30% of your 218 mile range off the top and then lose 20% to cold and road conditions in the winter... Yeah, 50% for each leg, at 75MPH you are stopping every hour and a half for 20 minutes... Assuming you can get full speed charging at every stop, there are no charging issues, and no one else is using the charger. Probably every stop will more likely average 30-40 minutes.
@@Snerdles
I own BOTH. And in cold weather, live in Vegas, range is horrid. You will lose 70 miles of range once temps get to around 40 in the mornings right now. These are golf carts make no mistake about it.
@@uutube243 dang, I've been dreaming about the i5N for a while but I park outside and live in a place in Canada that gets to below -20C quite regularly each winter. Losing that much at above freezing is abysmally bad.
0 should be 0 in my opinion
Kyle, it has occurred to me that all of your range tests could be skewed by the fact that you are at or near 5000 feet above sea level. I asked AI about an EV's range at altitude, and it says it could gain as much as 17%. Thoughts?
Good call
It's true. The thin air, definitely helps increase the range. At or around sea level, you will NOT get the range that he gets.
It's true. The thin air, definitely helps increase the range. At or around sea level, you will NOT get the range that he gets.
Yep, thinner, but all of the tests are on the same section of road, so the relative differences should be the same. I have driven from Detroit to west Colorado a couple times now, and I have to say other factors swamp the gain from elevation. I would have to run many laps on a level track to be able to isolate the effect of elevation.
I understand “range anxiety” if you live in BFE… like Wyoming. But it’s completely an overblown issue in the populous areas of the country. I mean there are areas of New Mexico where you can drive hundreds of miles without finding any building whatsoever, certainly no gas stations. Just seems so dumb that people in the middle of nowhere have made adoption of EVs slower because they fear all change. I’m up for cutting off grocery deliveries and goods to all the wanna be “rugged individuals” who like to pretend they don’t live in society just because they cant see a neighbor. Unless you have your own well, raise or hunt for all your food, generate all your power/heat/electricity on your own, you never call police, or ambulance, or fire, and you refuse to take any modern medicine, and your ok with being the only person to educate your children… stop pretending to be a libertarian, self-sufficient person. Wyoming cowboys are soft.
Also you’re driving UNDER the speed limit which nobody does. Try driving 80mph which is reality. Then check your range.. it’s horrific.
Not 300 miles on a full charge #Ioniq5N
These EV's are not made for range, and neither are they priced for the type of buyer who want them for range. For range preferring customers, they sell lower priced, none performance models of these same vehicles.
M3P it is
These cars are cool but this low of range is a deal breaker. I can't imagine how bad it gets in the dead of winter. That amazing fast charging isn't very useful when you can't cover the distance between chargers.
What? No sweatshirt? 70 degrees outside and he lost the hoodie? I have seen races with 115 degrees out in the desert and Kyle is wearing that hoodie... Who is this imposter? LOL Want a performance car and you get a "gas guzzler". Seems pretty normal. If you have a perf car you need a bigger battery for sure. eGMP cars are just not very efficient for sure regardless of the model or trim. Even the SE Ioniq 6 isn't really that remarkable for efficiency. Ioniq 5 looks good in any trim. Just a great looking car.
The 6 in RWD is pretty efficient, especially with the smaller tires. Still not quite model 3 territory, but we'll up there when it comes to the range of EVs out there.
@@Snerdles They already did the 10% challenge and range test on the Ioniq 6 SE RWD. It did OK at 70mph, but it's efficiency falls off a cliff and doesn't really do that well in the 10% challenge as far as efficiency, but it did manage 141 miles. So it manages to brute force some miles in the 10% challenge. I would expect it to do better in the efficiency department, but sadly it doesn't. The Model 3 is really the exception when it comes to efficiency at higher speeds, but then again it is a smaller car. There is a refresh coming for the I6 so hopefully we will get some more improvements out of it.
the audio is really bad for some reason. :)
As an Ioniq 5 owner: I wish it were like the Germans
Did anybody notice the 5N was a bit... Smoky inside?
Shit range indeed.
I have never seen an Ioniq 5n on the road...and I drive between Philadelphia and NYC regularly...people were super hyped about this car so where are they?
I only ever saw one at a dealer and that's the only one I've ever seen in person. They wouldn't even let me sit in it to try out the bucket seats because they were just holding it for another dealership since it came in through the port in my city.
Literally 20 minutes of talking about charging like it was a race🤦. I used to watch the channel more but something changed that it's actually gotten pretty annoying.
Ioniq 5 looks like a Dodge Omni from the 80s. Just too ugly.
In conclusion if you want a miserable road trip where you need to drive like grandma so you dont get stranded and waste 30 minutes charging get an EV .
Or a Tesla
None of these cars look really good to me. Especially the price, i would take model 3 or y anytime over this
ruclips.net/video/GpIij25Wzcw/видео.html I was confused of the buffer when the car was new. I did some testing from 100% to 0% and thought i have already 4-5% degradation on a brand new car. I also think this ca. 3,5Kwh buffer is the reason for the BMS to show better numbers in the top 50% and lower on the botton because about 5% is just hidden in the buffer. So i am not a hugh fan. But on the other side you should have some buffer to protect the battery and for safty reasons. I only wish they informed the customer about this buffer. It should not be their exercise to explore it on their own, like i did. You also seem to have buffer on top which is used to eat up some degardation. Nice. After more than 50.000 km or about 35.000 miles i am still able to use about 73Kwh plus buffer (3,5KwH) so 99-100% of 77KwH
The Kia/Hyundai battery buffers were not really designed to be used in everyday driving use, which is why the cars report zero not taking the buffer into account. The intent is to be used to keep the cabin usable (warm/cool etc.) and safe if you're stuck somewhere for a couple of hours waiting for recovery to arrive to charge the car having pulled over in the midst of nowhere with zero battery (in utility mode without draining the 12v battery). Although the cars will allow the an extra few miles of the buffer capacity to be used in case of emergencies to get to a charger, if one's available that close. The buffers capacity also keep's the battery warm in cold conditions to ensure is can charge quickly from zero (with little degredation impact).
The buffer is described in the manual and in my case the dealer covered it during the car handover session.
I am blind,lol🧑🦯.I like the look of the EV 6 more