PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reach out to Fairview and encourage them to sell their green “Fairview United” tshirts to raise additional funds towards their legal fight…… there are TONS of people who would LOVE to support them against the church. We live 8 minutes from Fairview and our daughter works in Fairview. The church has a heavy population here and it would behoove them to see people PROUDLY wearing the green tshirts in solidarity!!! We would purchase adult AND youth tshirts!!💚💚💚💚
Let the LDS corporation sue, discovery should be extremely interesting. Particularly temple attendance and LDS Corp. finances. Getting my popcorn ready
So glad for autoplay. I was in the kitchen making a mess and this came on after the other podcast I selected finished. You both are phenomenal presenters. And I find the sound of your voices most pleasant and soothing, even when tackling upsetting topics (like church bullies). Your investigative skills are exceptional, though I worry about you becoming Rebecca Karen Silkwood and Landon Michael Hastings for locking horns with "Big Joseph" (I'm only half joking). Keep up the great work, folks. While I'm a nevermo, I have the greatest respect for truth-tellers of any stripe. Warmest best wishes.
The only thing better than Spicey Landon is a late night Spicey Landon. (And by spicey, I mean passionate about something he belives in.) Good reporting guys; I appreciate the update. Now please excuse me while I go donate to the Fairview legal defense fund.
I'm selling my home and have had to comply with planning regulations for an old extension that was put on nearly 50 years ago. I can't sell it without complying with the law even though I know it had permission but old docs can't be found. I'm happy to do this if it means my sale can go through. That is what is called complying with the law of the land. This is a disgrace no Church should be allowed to be above the laws of the land and be so deceitful over it. It certainly won't endear the Fairview towns folk and administration to tge LDS church. Not much loving thy neighbour here and a huge lot of pharasaaic behaviour. These Temples should fit in to the environment and should be sympathetic to those who have to live in its illuminated shadow. If I was a member of this Church this big bully tactic would make me stop and think what kind of "christianity" is this. And didn't Jesus turn over the tables of the moneychangers in the Temple. It seems the Church can use its large fortune to bully people to accept their huge Temples that do not let anyone in but their own and do not welcome their neighbours opinions. And didn't Jesus say it didn't matter where you worship its when two or three are joined together. Don't remember him saying it was a must to have big out of place buildings that needed tall spires to remind the members of God. Non Mormon here sharing your anger here. And isn't this just tge way to show up the false happy neighbourly loving image they want to portray. Cc
The thing I just love about this is how, from the beginning the Mormon church claimed they just want to be “good neighbors”. Nothing like a law suit to really commemorate community!
Amen. And I could be really clueless here (I am not a lawyer 😂) but wouldn't those 1-on-1 meetings be prohibited by sunshine laws? I feel like this has been discussed by the church and town a while ago.
The posture of the church in this instance and in the other recent city temples is deplorable. It would only be just if its members developed a good sense of embarrassment over the bullying posture and sure damage to the reputation of the church to all that learn of this attitude. Don't expect this to help the missionary effort regardless.
I think if I lived in any of the towns the church had recently bullied, I wouldn’t want anything to do with any church member. They’re fine with bullying their neighbors, and I wouldn’t be friendly to a bully.
Come on, Rebecca and Landon. You knew, or should have known, that the church planned to sue all along. You are too easy on them. They are known bullies, and will get their way, regardless of what means they have to use
This is quite troubling. It perplexes me that the church is behaving this way. Its not how I was taught by the church to deal with my fellow man. I remember being taught that we should avoid bringing lawsuits against others as it was contentious and adversarial and should only be a last resort and only in extreme cases. Better to drop the case and take the high road. What good is it to build a temple if it creates animosity and ill will? Temple work will still get done whether at a different location or in a differently designed building. Why such a fuss over the building design? Such a lack of perspective.
I remember when 2Nephi 9:34 was a scripture mastery scripture and lying definitely wasn't part of "being honest in our dealings with our fellow man. That was really brought home to me in my youth by the Article of Faith statement: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. 🙄Would Ballard call this being as honest as they know how to be? If so, the leadership needs to go back to kindergarten.
The town met all their obligations under the agreement. The only party who failed to meet their commitment was the church. Read the agreement. The church was supposed to submit a plan on Jan 13. The city was supposed to vote in open session to approve recommendation of the plan and hold an informational meeting. The town did their part. Where’s the plan? The only party who broke the agreement has been the church!
God doesn’t negotiate with non-members-or members, unless they’re in a position of high seniority. It’s a very impersonal process with underlings. The church is run by attorneys these days..like any other business.
Temples are beautiful and only add a positive element to any community. Overly limiting the size and height of the building is akin to a denial. The parcel is large enough to support the building size proposed. Large setbacks and generous landscaping will create a balanced design that only compliments and enhances the community. Let the Church exercise its property rights and allow a use that will only beautify, uplift, and inspire.
@@annwood6812 The second rendering is a huge concession and the City is still asking for more. Conditional uses, especially for churches, are to be reviewed and approved according to quality design and compatibility. The parcel is so large, and the building is sited such, that neighbors are not negatively impacted. In all actuality, this temple will be a huge benefit to the area and will only be regarded as a beautiful addition to the community.
Beyond ridiculous. Thank yall for covering this as always❤
The church just keeps making more material for the next Netflix documentary.
Fairview needs to get some retired seasoned Texas lawyers willing to take the case pro bono and have at it.
@@janschreiber6256 don’t mess with Texas!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reach out to Fairview and encourage them to sell their green “Fairview United” tshirts to raise additional funds towards their legal fight…… there are TONS of people who would LOVE to support them against the church. We live 8 minutes from Fairview and our daughter works in Fairview. The church has a heavy population here and it would behoove them to see people PROUDLY wearing the green tshirts in solidarity!!! We would purchase adult AND youth tshirts!!💚💚💚💚
Spot on!! We in So Cal bought ours months ago!
I'm sick to death of the bully tactics of the church lawyers and the way they twist the truth to force their way.
Let the LDS corporation sue, discovery should be extremely interesting. Particularly temple attendance and LDS Corp. finances. Getting my popcorn ready
@luckydog7226 - sunlight is the best disinfectant. 😉
Never seen Landon so heated. But rightly so!
So glad for autoplay. I was in the kitchen making a mess and this came on after the other podcast I selected finished.
You both are phenomenal presenters. And I find the sound of your voices most pleasant and soothing, even when tackling upsetting topics (like church bullies).
Your investigative skills are exceptional, though I worry about you becoming Rebecca Karen Silkwood and Landon Michael Hastings for locking horns with "Big Joseph" (I'm only half joking).
Keep up the great work, folks. While I'm a nevermo, I have the greatest respect for truth-tellers of any stripe.
Warmest best wishes.
They could build a moat around the temple deep enough that the spire would be 120 ft high from the bottom of the moat.
The only thing better than Spicey Landon is a late night Spicey Landon. (And by spicey, I mean passionate about something he belives in.) Good reporting guys; I appreciate the update. Now please excuse me while I go donate to the Fairview legal defense fund.
This feels like a “Texas Temple Massacre”.
Ooh great hashtag #templemountainmassacre
🥁
Absolutely incredible how have we not thought of this sooner 😂
Why does that church refuse to follow Jesus? Most also refuse to do so but still!
mormonism is built on lies and propagated by lies..
I love your passion!! ❤ great work!
I'm selling my home and have had to comply with planning regulations for an old extension that was put on nearly 50 years ago. I can't sell it without complying with the law even though I know it had permission but old docs can't be found. I'm happy to do this if it means my sale can go through. That is what is called complying with the law of the land. This is a disgrace no Church should be allowed to be above the laws of the land and be so deceitful over it. It certainly won't endear the Fairview towns folk and administration to tge LDS church. Not much loving thy neighbour here and a huge lot of pharasaaic behaviour. These Temples should fit in to the environment and should be sympathetic to those who have to live in its illuminated shadow. If I was a member of this Church this big bully tactic would make me stop and think what kind of "christianity" is this. And didn't Jesus turn over the tables of the moneychangers in the Temple. It seems the Church can use its large fortune to bully people to accept their huge Temples that do not let anyone in but their own and do not welcome their neighbours opinions. And didn't Jesus say it didn't matter where you worship its when two or three are joined together. Don't remember him saying it was a must to have big out of place buildings that needed tall spires to remind the members of God. Non Mormon here sharing your anger here. And isn't this just tge way to show up the false happy neighbourly loving image they want to portray. Cc
Meanwhile, TX members who are clinging to their last reasons to “stay in the boat” may see this as a final straw. Short-sightedness at its finest.
If the Mormons don’t want to be characterized as ruthless bullies, maybe they should look at their behavior. By their fruits you shall know them.
How does the church define: truth, peace, integrity, honesty, trustworthy, humble, lawful, and Christian?
“Follow the prophet and/or money” for all those terms
Similar to what they see as “temporary commandments.” Willy-nilly as it suits them. Taking a cue from 1984 also… 😊 in all seriousness, so shameful.
As if I wasn’t angry enough today
The lds does not follow US laws. The lawyers aren't following the US laws. They all need schooling on US Laws
Criminal methods
Shame on the church.
There are a bunch of typos in the letter, referring to events in December *2025*. Come on, lawyers, proofread better.
The thing I just love about this is how, from the beginning the Mormon church claimed they just want to be “good neighbors”. Nothing like a law suit to really commemorate community!
mormonism is built on lies and propagated by lies
Thats not good sunbeam behavior.
It’s time that the city needs to begin airing out to the public every encounter. No closed door private meetings should be held.
Amen. And I could be really clueless here (I am not a lawyer 😂) but wouldn't those 1-on-1 meetings be prohibited by sunshine laws? I feel like this has been discussed by the church and town a while ago.
The posture of the church in this instance and in the other recent city temples is deplorable. It would only be just if its members developed a good sense of embarrassment over the bullying posture and sure damage to the reputation of the church to all that learn of this attitude. Don't expect this to help the missionary effort regardless.
I think if I lived in any of the towns the church had recently bullied, I wouldn’t want anything to do with any church member. They’re fine with bullying their neighbors, and I wouldn’t be friendly to a bully.
If spire height were a condition of religious observance, the church wouldn’t limit spire height anywhere. What a bunch of liars/lawyers they are.
Come on, Rebecca and Landon. You knew, or should have known, that the church planned to sue all along. You are too easy on them. They are known bullies, and will get their way, regardless of what means they have to use
Like picking up a snake..we knew what they were!
So sad that the Church is acting this way, completely embarrassed for them.
I’m sad since it’s not the church I grew up in and loved. They want this to flex their money muscles. Not what Jesus would do. 😞
@@Rckcasa4118 I was thinking the same thing. What happened to "I'm trying to love my neighbor, I'm learning to serve my friends" 😢
@@Rckcasa4118The LDS church is more of a banking corporation than a church. It is sad to see, but this church is not fulfilling the Great Commission.
mormonism is built on lies and propagated by lies.
This is quite troubling. It perplexes me that the church is behaving this way. Its not how I was taught by the church to deal with my fellow man. I remember being taught that we should avoid bringing lawsuits against others as it was contentious and adversarial and should only be a last resort and only in extreme cases. Better to drop the case and take the high road. What good is it to build a temple if it creates animosity and ill will? Temple work will still get done whether at a different location or in a differently designed building. Why such a fuss over the building design? Such a lack of perspective.
I remember when 2Nephi 9:34 was a scripture mastery scripture and lying definitely wasn't part of "being honest in our dealings with our fellow man. That was really brought home to me in my youth by the Article of Faith statement: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. 🙄Would Ballard call this being as honest as they know how to be? If so, the leadership needs to go back to kindergarten.
They are not trying to negotiate or be good neighbors to Fairview - the LDS will not to stop until they get their way!
So angry at the church…. Corporation. Jesus is not happy. Shame on them.
Is the town soliciting donations for a legal fund?
Yes!
I love to see Landon this passionate and talkative. Go Landon !!
I apologize it just gets so frustrating seeing the constant deceit from the church I gave my life to.
The LDS church is unbelievable. What would Jesus think?
Commenting to help.
Fairview breaks their good faith agreement after the lds church made concessions and now the city doesn’t want to keep their word.
The town met all their obligations under the agreement. The only party who failed to meet their commitment was the church. Read the agreement. The church was supposed to submit a plan on Jan 13. The city was supposed to vote in open session to approve recommendation of the plan and hold an informational meeting. The town did their part. Where’s the plan? The only party who broke the agreement has been the church!
The lds will wait to see how the Tithing lawsuit will go in the Supreme Court
God doesn’t negotiate with non-members-or members, unless they’re in a position of high seniority. It’s a very impersonal process with underlings. The church is run by attorneys these days..like any other business.
Not a good look lds church
Jesus Christ would not sue anybody.
They intend to or are they really going to?
Meeting with each member with $10,000 in an envelope
Or maybe $9,000 to ensure that they get their 10% right off the top. (Allegedly- we all know how the tithe is demanded, requested.)
Not the tallest church in town by far.
It absolutely is. The stake center has the tallest height of any church in Fairview! That was stated over and over in the CUP hearings.
Nice to see they're doubling down with the chubby on the top. Self-awareness is in short supply in the MFMC these days...
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Temples are beautiful and only add a positive element to any community. Overly limiting the size and height of the building is akin to a denial. The parcel is large enough to support the building size proposed. Large setbacks and generous landscaping will create a balanced design that only compliments and enhances the community. Let the Church exercise its property rights and allow a use that will only beautify, uplift, and inspire.
Limiting the height of the spire is not akin to a denial. Come on. The church is destroying itself with all the bullying.
@@annwood6812 The second rendering is a huge concession and the City is still asking for more. Conditional uses, especially for churches, are to be reviewed and approved according to quality design and compatibility. The parcel is so large, and the building is sited such, that neighbors are not negatively impacted. In all actuality, this temple will be a huge benefit to the area and will only be regarded as a beautiful addition to the community.
Hahahahahahahaha!!!
Wait, you’re serious?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Something about blind, ditches, forests, trees comes to mind...
It brings to mind the old adage "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think the majority of citizens in Fairview disagree with you. 🤔