Hello. I am a little confused about the Avantis' routing workflow and I got two questions: 1. Can you route a channel to Logic/any DAW post-EQ or pre-fader (or from any other patch points) via Dante (let's say for plain recording, so not in Avantis' virtual soundcheck mode)? I assume the tracks recorded by you on Logic are pre-processing/the raw preamp input, right? 2. Can you route channel A to bus A post-EQ and to bus B pre-EQ, or a more technical approach would be to create a channel A1 (a duplicate of the same source) that routes to all busses pre-EQ, for bus B? I think I read some time ago that(, unlike the Behringer X32 for instance,) a channel's patch point on the Avantis is global to all the busses and auxes - to avoid some phase and latency artifacts (so I assume the Avantis doesn't delay all the signals to compensate for a single one's processing and routing in order to attain phase coherence). Is this true? Thank you for this great video and for doing such quality content! Keep up the good work.
@@aleduon8533 1. Yes. Example: for a sec, forget virtual sound check exists and you’re just tracking… you would just send your ip directs outs through Dante like normal. (This is the first half of setting up virtual sound check). But, you have to manually tell the Avantis whether you want those channels pre, post, or somewhere in between. 2. I would have to go play and find this one out but my gut says no. That said, you have two options. You can just double patch a source digitally and send the second one to bus B pre-EQ. The downside is this eats up another “channel” on the Avantis. The second option is to send your post EQ channel to bus A, then use a tie line to send the pre EQ signal to bus B or wherever. All of that said, unless I’m purposely using the processed audio to record with, I.e. broadcast recording or studio demo/scratch recording, I’m just going to use the Dante outputs and set them as pre so I can do whatever I want with them in post. As far as busses, tie lines can be a big asset.
I was looking for this!!! Our church is looking to expand by adding the Dante card. We’re stuck between getting the 64x64 or the 128x128. Do you feel like the 128x128 really worth the extra options?! We’re only at 41 inputs, and would only need those 41 inputs to route to are streaming computer.
@@HeyCarlCampbell I truly think it all depends on your plans for expansion. The only reason I have a 64x64 is because 128s were impossible to get at the time we were procuring hardware for upgrades. That said, if you’re using the built in s-link protocol to go from your stage box to your Avantis, the 64 is plenty since your initial inputs aren’t coming in from Dante, thus not using any of your Dante channel count. However, if at any point you plan to convert over to Dante compatible stage boxes, the 128 might become necessary.
@ thanks for the reply!!!! we’re using GX4816. And we’re most like probably never going to max out past the combined 60 inputs(48 from GX & 12 on console). Our only gripe when we upgraded was that the Avantis is 96k…..all of our old tech ran at 48, so we can’t use that gear on the soon to be Danté network. Unless we’ve got that wrong, and misunderstood.
@ it just depends on the equipment you’re talking about. And you can run your Dante network at 48k and the Avantis has the option of running 44.1, 48, or 96k
hello and thanks for the video tutorial. I wanted to ask you. I have a Windows laptop, can I directly enter the ethernet port of my laptop? I would also like to use my Waves plugin, I saw that it is possible with the Dante card, I don't know if you know if the Waves Card would be better instead. What made you prefer the Dante Card?
Hi! Let me answer these in reverse: We chose the Dante over waves because of cost. I could still route audio anywhere I needed to but without the extra cost of a waves server and and super rack. We will eventually run waves but when we did these upgrades, the funds were not there yet to integrate it. Using waves is very possible but it all depends on how you intend to use it. This information would help. You can absolutely use the Ethernet port that’s built into your laptop and that would be my suggestion anytime it’s possible. Side note, just make sure your laptop has the processing power necessary to run everything smoothly. I’m using a 2015 iMac as my Dante controller and tracking computer but that is literally all it does. I don’t run waves or any extra software at the same time I’m recording or playing back.
@@Marshall_Swift Thanks very much. I have a fairly powerful MSI i7 13th (64gb Ram). I'm using this system on Sq7 via USB. But my company would like an upgrade with Avantis. I would like to avoid extra server waves and just use my laptop. I know I can't record multitrack at the same time. In terms of latency, do you think the waves card used in this way is better? I know there is dpack on Avantis, how do you rate it?
It can be done, however, it simply depends on how much latency you get using your laptop alone. Even with the waves sound grid card, the plugin processing is still happening outside of the console. I've only gotten to play with a little of the dpack when I first demo'd the Avantis and then again on this rental console, and I loved it. It's worth noting that it'a all internal so if your laptop crashes, you don't lose all your processing, however, there's a lot of flexibility and tons of options with waves that the dpack doesn't offer at this point. My preference would be to have both and to run an external waves server if funds are available.
@ Yes, right. however I took a look at the Dpack and it would be the one I currently use with waves (LA2A, Dbx,C4(Mbc), F6(Dyneq on Dpack). The only thing missing for some of my dance shows is Autotune, but I could just use the one with an external 2-channel audio card and the PC
@ autotune/wavestune is one of the more dsp intensive plugins but honestly that would be an excellent option to balance the load. That said, it would come down to cost for me. The deep pack (right now) is $1600 and you get some great plugins that utilize onboard dsp and sound great! On the other hand, the sound grid proton duo is $1300 (maybe you could get a deal through your sweetwater rep) but you still have to purchase plugins and peripherals like a monitor/keyboard/mouse. This is one of those moments where I’m sitting down with a calculator and then trying to shoot holes in both plans from every direction possible, then make my choice. Honestly, you’re not going to choose wrong though!
On the Dante Virtual Sound Card, I thought DVS can do 64x64 audio channels, why does your drop down end only at 32x32, is it because you are working with 96khz as opposed to 48khz?
@@victor.olweny TLDR: Yes but not that’s the whole answer, lol. Whole answer for my fellow nerds: The Dante virtual sound card allows you to use as few or as many inputs as you like within its capabilities, 2, 4, 8, 16… and so on. Anything 32 channels or less, it will function at 96khz and anything over 32 it will function at 48khz. That said, In my specific case I only record 18 tracks on a regular Sunday morning. It’s important to note that the higher the channel count, even if you’re not recording through all of them, the more processing power it takes the terminal to communicate with DVS as its forcing the computer to accept up to XX channels of audio simultaneously. Im not using a super beefy terminal for my track rig so I knock it down to 32 tracks. That gives me plenty of room for my standard inputs but if I ever needed to go ahead and take more tracks down at the last minute, I can, but it means I’m not wasting processing power on 64 channels of communication when I’m only using 18. I hope this helps!!
Thanks for the video. I have the same setup as you as far as Advanis recording into Logic on an iMac. One question.. does the mix on the iMac affect the signals coming back into the board? In other words, should all the channels on Logic be set flat to give you a better representation of the band signals, rather than a pre-mixed out from Logic so you can mix on the board instead? Or, does the signal coming back to from Logic not affected by the "Mix" in logic? Hope that makes sense.
@sliefoxmultimedia thanks for the question! The answer is somewhat two-fold. The simplest and most common answer is however you take down the track, that’s how you want to send it back out so that you have the closest representation of your band. The more in depth answer for the other nerds of the world like myself is: in my recording template on logic, for example, everything is defaulted for both in and out. I don’t gain anything up or down, I don’t mess with any EQ, filtering, plugins, or fx in logic. I want as clean a source as possible. What ever I send out of my Dante card in the Avantis is exactly what I’m sending into logic, so I want that same thing coming back. This also means that your channels sent out of the Avantis need to all be set to pre so that you’re not recording your channel processing on the Avantis. So in all, yes, if you edit those tracks in logic, then send them back out, your Avantis is receiving the editing from logic. Counter to that, if you edit the channels in logic, then record tracks into those channels, you’re also not getting the raw recording from the Avantis. The overall goal, at least for virtual sound check, is to get the tracks recorded and back into the Avantis as raw and untouched as possible. Hopes this helps!
@@Marshall_Swift Thanks for the reply. We do have a clean (pre) signal coming into logic and nothing is gained when it is recorded, but I do have a lot of processing (plugins, eq, etc) on the channels in Logic since we use that for our send to Foyer TV's, etc, and then I come back on Monday and remix everything for our finished recording to put with the video recording from Sunday Service. So, it sounds like I need to save a copy of the recording in Logic, then from the copy remove all eq and processing from every channel, set every channel to unity to send back to the Avantis for Virtual Sound Check. That answers my question. I've never used virtual sound check but think it would be a great tool to train people on the sound board, but I didn't know if Logic sent everything back Pre-Logic processing or Post-Logic processing. Sounds like by your reply it's post, so I need to remove all processing from Logic. Thanks again. Let me know if I misunderstood.
@@sliefoxmultimedia based on that info, I would agree. I’ll be back on my campus Wednesday and I’ll check a couple of other things just to see. I’m curious if I you could record two sets of tracks down at once, or double patch them into logic. The other thing I’m curious about is whether you can set specific channels in logic to send back out pre/post so that you could potentially just have one template for everything where for example, 1-16 (or whatever your last channel is) is your thru processing lobby, broadcast, etc… and 16-32 is your unaltered recording channels for virtual sound check. It means bigger files, but it sounds like you do all your broadcast stuff in post which means you could eventually cut those tracks out of your VS file and save some space. If you’re interested, I’ll let you know what I find!
@@Marshall_Swift Sounds good. Thanks for your help. It might be easiest to set up another computer for a couple weeks, add it to Dante and record a second unaltered set of files on that machine to use for Virtual Sound Check for training. I don't know that we need to make it a permanent thing, I just thought it would be a great training tool. If I got 10-15 songs recorded over a few weeks, that would probably be all I need. Thanks again. This was a helpful video.
@@sliefoxmultimedia as it turns out, you can in fact dual patch your tracks into logic. So tracks 1-16 can come from inputs 1-16, but then tracks 17-32 could also come from inputs 1-16. You cannot however, record two projects simultaneously. If you wanted to do it all in one project I would suggest the first option, and just don’t assign outputs to tracks 17-32 (or whatever doesn’t go to your lobby) until your ready to virtual sound check and don’t do any processing on those channels. I do like the idea of setting up a second rig though that’s just dedicated to VS. Hope this helps!
How do you treat dante input backing tracks when you playback thru VS? Let's say that they are 16 dante inputs going to channels 8-24. They would record out on those channels, but Dante controller would still be mapped to original channels in Dante Controller.
In Dante controller, you’ll actually set up two different patches. The 1st patch is going from the Dante card to Virtual Sound Card on your computer. The 2nd patch is from the computer back to the Dante card. I think around the 8:12 mark in the video I talk about patching in Dante controller. You have to patch both directions or you will only get sound into the computer, not out, and vice versa.
Hi, this video was nothing short of amazing! Thank you for spending the time to highlight Avantis and the dante network. My main question would be do you offer virtual consultations? We can totally connect offline but if so I'd love to know you're pricing because I feel like your knowledge on this subject is worth paying for.
Hi! Thanks so much for your kind words! I do have an online consulting platform. If you're interested in that you can head over to my booking site and signup for a time slot! Thanks so much! marshall-swift.square.site
Hello! Thanks for the video, really good quality and info! I have a question just to be clear because my English is not that good: You have a gx4816(or whatever patch on stage) and you connect via SLink to avantis, and after that you can send to Dante in that way? Don't you need to have a Dante cars into the stage patch too? Thanks very much!
@@alesandergonzalez7761 with the Avantis and the GX4816, the Avantis is still the “brain”. The gx4816 only work over a-link as it does not have card slots. So yes, s-link from stage box to Avantis, then with a Dante card in the Avantis, you can go out over Dante to wherever.
Hello, thanks for the video. Just one doubt. I routed out my input channels to DAW using Tie Lines. Would this also work? Could you please explain what is this tie Line for? thanks in Advance
@@livemixpriyanaccording to A&H: “Tie lines on an Avantis are a feature that allows users to send audio directly from input sockets to output sockets without any processing. This can be useful for recording, as it allows users to start a new mix without any of the processing that was used live.” Now, all of that said, at least in my situation, there’s no benefit to patching your recording inputs through tie lines as the standard patching is built to work flawlessly with the built in virtual sound check function. The only reason I would use tie lines is if I wanted “raw” tracks and I wasn’t going to use them for VS. If I was taking down tracks to work on but didn’t have enough sends/outputs or something like that, I would use tie lines.
@@Marshall_Swift Hello, Thanks for the quick reply. Does that mean Tie Line records unprocessed input to DAW and "Ip Direct Out" Processed data? If so, when we use the recorded Data via "Ip Direct Out" for the VS, it will be processed twice, isnt it?
@ this depends solely on how you set your outputs for recording. If they’re set to pre, the only processing you’re getting is gain structure, which is crucial for VS as you want the channel strip and preamp to respond like it’s the actual instrument/voice. If you set them to a variant of post, you’ll begin recording additional pieces of the channel strips processing such as EQ, filters, etc… if you use those “post” recorded channels, you’re then “double processing” them in VS. I have everything set to pre and it works flawlessly.
@ no. My understanding is tie line does not give you the live gain structure. It only gives you the actual input level at the source. To get proper gain structure, so that VS responds as though it’s live, you’ll need to take the ip direct out routed through your Dante card.
I have a question. Maybe you haven’t run into this before. We have the exact same setup, but when we play back through the avantis, the sources don’t sound the same as they did live. They almost sound weaker and tonally different when we play them back. We aren’t running any plugins or any EQs on anything in Logic so I am wondering if the project settings like sample rate etc could be affecting it? It all comes through, but it does not sound the same as it did Live
Also I noticed you didn’t hit “record send” which is what we do to record tracks. Does that mean we don’t need to do that? What is the function of record send?
@@rocketeergames6844 so the first thing to check is to make sure your outputs to the logic rig are set to “pre”. This will ensure they’re being recorded without any signal chain processing, which can absolutely effect the signal strength and tonal qualities of playback. As far as your second comment, all I do to record is arm the logic tracks and hit the red record button. This is the simplest and purest method for taking down tracks. If you route your Dante outputs as I’ve done in the video, it’s a constant feed to the logic computer whether you’re recording or not. That way when you’re ready, you just open your template, arm, and hit record.
@ ok thanks! 😊 I was also wondering if it could be my sample rate or any other recording settings in Logic be messing anything up or causing us to lose audio quality? What do you have those type of settings adjusted to?
@ while the Avantis can operate at 96k, logic records in 48k. It does this automatically and you shouldn’t have to adjust anything out of the box. That said, while you lose a shyest bit of quality during playback, it’s not enough to make a big difference, especially the difference in signal you’re seeing. I’m willing to bet your issue is the pre/post settings. I dealt with this the first hand full of recordings I did and that’s exactly what it was.
Thanks! I want to know what kind of computer I need. My i5 8 gb ram and 500 gb hard drive computer isn’t fast enough and I’m upset because it met the specs they wanted so what do you have so I can get something similar
@DbiPro so an i5 with 8Gb of ram should absolutely do it. I’m using a 2015 model iMac with a quad core i5, 8Gb of ram and a 1T hard drive. But the first tests I did were on a 2015 MacBook Pro with the same stats as yours. That said, something I had to do to keep everything from freezing up was throttle the Dante virtual sound card back to the highest latency possible so the computer’s processor could keep up. Latency doesn’t necessarily matter for virtual sound check because you’re just recording. Then when you play it back, you’re not trying to line it up with anything live either. I would try this before throwing $$$$ at a new computer. One more little tip to note, when I’m recording tracks, that is literally the only thing that terminal is doing. Nothing else is open and I’m not touching it at all while recording. If I try to launch a program during recording, depending on how resource intensive the program is, my recording will stop and I’ll get a notification that says “disk too slow”. However, as long as I leave it alone, I’ve never had a problem. Let us know how it goes!
Great video. One thing I didn't see in your video was to ensure that the outputs in Logic need to be routed to each output specifically. ex. Input 3 needs to be Output 3. Question: Are you using a Network card?
Thanks for the watch and thanks for commenting! I did mention this at 15:30 but I didn’t go into great detail. As far as cards go, I’m using a 64 x 64 Dante card in the back of the Avantis, a 32 x 32 Dante card in my SQ5, and then using virtual sound card on the iMac to allow Dante in and out. This is all direct connect. I’m not running a switch in my Dante network at this point but hope to go ahead and implement that soon as I’ll be needing more Io pretty quickly.
@@Marshall_Swift Very cool. I learned the hard way to only use Netgear switches. TP Link had way too many drop outs. I'm using a TF Rack for IEMs and having to reconfigure routing in order to run VSC without disconnecting IEMs when I do VSC. I did not plan ahead. This video helped and confirmed a few things for me. Thank you!
Thanks for covering this. Just finished setting it up. You made it easy!
Hello. I am a little confused about the Avantis' routing workflow and I got two questions:
1. Can you route a channel to Logic/any DAW post-EQ or pre-fader (or from any other patch points) via Dante (let's say for plain recording, so not in Avantis' virtual soundcheck mode)? I assume the tracks recorded by you on Logic are pre-processing/the raw preamp input, right?
2. Can you route channel A to bus A post-EQ and to bus B pre-EQ, or a more technical approach would be to create a channel A1 (a duplicate of the same source) that routes to all busses pre-EQ, for bus B? I think I read some time ago that(, unlike the Behringer X32 for instance,) a channel's patch point on the Avantis is global to all the busses and auxes - to avoid some phase and latency artifacts (so I assume the Avantis doesn't delay all the signals to compensate for a single one's processing and routing in order to attain phase coherence). Is this true?
Thank you for this great video and for doing such quality content! Keep up the good work.
@@aleduon8533
1. Yes. Example: for a sec, forget virtual sound check exists and you’re just tracking… you would just send your ip directs outs through Dante like normal. (This is the first half of setting up virtual sound check). But, you have to manually tell the Avantis whether you want those channels pre, post, or somewhere in between.
2. I would have to go play and find this one out but my gut says no. That said, you have two options. You can just double patch a source digitally and send the second one to bus B pre-EQ. The downside is this eats up another “channel” on the Avantis. The second option is to send your post EQ channel to bus A, then use a tie line to send the pre EQ signal to bus B or wherever.
All of that said, unless I’m purposely using the processed audio to record with, I.e. broadcast recording or studio demo/scratch recording, I’m just going to use the Dante outputs and set them as pre so I can do whatever I want with them in post. As far as busses, tie lines can be a big asset.
I was looking for this!!!
Our church is looking to expand by adding the Dante card. We’re stuck between getting the 64x64 or the 128x128.
Do you feel like the 128x128 really worth the extra options?!
We’re only at 41 inputs, and would only need those 41 inputs to route to are streaming computer.
@@HeyCarlCampbell I truly think it all depends on your plans for expansion. The only reason I have a 64x64 is because 128s were impossible to get at the time we were procuring hardware for upgrades.
That said, if you’re using the built in s-link protocol to go from your stage box to your Avantis, the 64 is plenty since your initial inputs aren’t coming in from Dante, thus not using any of your Dante channel count. However, if at any point you plan to convert over to Dante compatible stage boxes, the 128 might become necessary.
@ thanks for the reply!!!!
we’re using GX4816. And we’re most like probably never going to max out past the combined 60 inputs(48 from GX & 12 on console).
Our only gripe when we upgraded was that the Avantis is 96k…..all of our old tech ran at 48, so we can’t use that gear on the soon to be Danté network. Unless we’ve got that wrong, and misunderstood.
@ it just depends on the equipment you’re talking about. And you can run your Dante network at 48k and the Avantis has the option of running 44.1, 48, or 96k
@ The old tech is a Yamaha LS9. We have a Danté card in one port and the port is used for our Avioms.
@@HeyCarlCampbell yeah I mean if you just clock everything down to 48k you should be fine.
hello and thanks for the video tutorial. I wanted to ask you. I have a Windows laptop, can I directly enter the ethernet port of my laptop? I would also like to use my Waves plugin, I saw that it is possible with the Dante card, I don't know if you know if the Waves Card would be better instead. What made you prefer the Dante Card?
Hi! Let me answer these in reverse:
We chose the Dante over waves because of cost. I could still route audio anywhere I needed to but without the extra cost of a waves server and and super rack. We will eventually run waves but when we did these upgrades, the funds were not there yet to integrate it.
Using waves is very possible but it all depends on how you intend to use it. This information would help.
You can absolutely use the Ethernet port that’s built into your laptop and that would be my suggestion anytime it’s possible.
Side note, just make sure your laptop has the processing power necessary to run everything smoothly. I’m using a 2015 iMac as my Dante controller and tracking computer but that is literally all it does. I don’t run waves or any extra software at the same time I’m recording or playing back.
@@Marshall_Swift Thanks very much. I have a fairly powerful MSI i7 13th (64gb Ram). I'm using this system on Sq7 via USB. But my company would like an upgrade with Avantis. I would like to avoid extra server waves and just use my laptop. I know I can't record multitrack at the same time. In terms of latency, do you think the waves card used in this way is better? I know there is dpack on Avantis, how do you rate it?
It can be done, however, it simply depends on how much latency you get using your laptop alone. Even with the waves sound grid card, the plugin processing is still happening outside of the console. I've only gotten to play with a little of the dpack when I first demo'd the Avantis and then again on this rental console, and I loved it. It's worth noting that it'a all internal so if your laptop crashes, you don't lose all your processing, however, there's a lot of flexibility and tons of options with waves that the dpack doesn't offer at this point. My preference would be to have both and to run an external waves server if funds are available.
@ Yes, right. however I took a look at the Dpack and it would be the one I currently use with waves (LA2A, Dbx,C4(Mbc), F6(Dyneq on Dpack). The only thing missing for some of my dance shows is Autotune, but I could just use the one with an external 2-channel audio card and the PC
@ autotune/wavestune is one of the more dsp intensive plugins but honestly that would be an excellent option to balance the load. That said, it would come down to cost for me. The deep pack (right now) is $1600 and you get some great plugins that utilize onboard dsp and sound great! On the other hand, the sound grid proton duo is $1300 (maybe you could get a deal through your sweetwater rep) but you still have to purchase plugins and peripherals like a monitor/keyboard/mouse. This is one of those moments where I’m sitting down with a calculator and then trying to shoot holes in both plans from every direction possible, then make my choice. Honestly, you’re not going to choose wrong though!
On the Dante Virtual Sound Card, I thought DVS can do 64x64 audio channels, why does your drop down end only at 32x32, is it because you are working with 96khz as opposed to 48khz?
@@victor.olweny
TLDR:
Yes but not that’s the whole answer, lol.
Whole answer for my fellow nerds:
The Dante virtual sound card allows you to use as few or as many inputs as you like within its capabilities, 2, 4, 8, 16… and so on. Anything 32 channels or less, it will function at 96khz and anything over 32 it will function at 48khz. That said, In my specific case I only record 18 tracks on a regular Sunday morning. It’s important to note that the higher the channel count, even if you’re not recording through all of them, the more processing power it takes the terminal to communicate with DVS as its forcing the computer to accept up to XX channels of audio simultaneously. Im not using a super beefy terminal for my track rig so I knock it down to 32 tracks. That gives me plenty of room for my standard inputs but if I ever needed to go ahead and take more tracks down at the last minute, I can, but it means I’m not wasting processing power on 64 channels of communication when I’m only using 18.
I hope this helps!!
Thanks for the video. I have the same setup as you as far as Advanis recording into Logic on an iMac. One question.. does the mix on the iMac affect the signals coming back into the board? In other words, should all the channels on Logic be set flat to give you a better representation of the band signals, rather than a pre-mixed out from Logic so you can mix on the board instead? Or, does the signal coming back to from Logic not affected by the "Mix" in logic? Hope that makes sense.
@sliefoxmultimedia thanks for the question!
The answer is somewhat two-fold. The simplest and most common answer is however you take down the track, that’s how you want to send it back out so that you have the closest representation of your band. The more in depth answer for the other nerds of the world like myself is: in my recording template on logic, for example, everything is defaulted for both in and out. I don’t gain anything up or down, I don’t mess with any EQ, filtering, plugins, or fx in logic. I want as clean a source as possible. What ever I send out of my Dante card in the Avantis is exactly what I’m sending into logic, so I want that same thing coming back. This also means that your channels sent out of the Avantis need to all be set to pre so that you’re not recording your channel processing on the Avantis. So in all, yes, if you edit those tracks in logic, then send them back out, your Avantis is receiving the editing from logic. Counter to that, if you edit the channels in logic, then record tracks into those channels, you’re also not getting the raw recording from the Avantis.
The overall goal, at least for virtual sound check, is to get the tracks recorded and back into the Avantis as raw and untouched as possible.
Hopes this helps!
@@Marshall_Swift Thanks for the reply. We do have a clean (pre) signal coming into logic and nothing is gained when it is recorded, but I do have a lot of processing (plugins, eq, etc) on the channels in Logic since we use that for our send to Foyer TV's, etc, and then I come back on Monday and remix everything for our finished recording to put with the video recording from Sunday Service. So, it sounds like I need to save a copy of the recording in Logic, then from the copy remove all eq and processing from every channel, set every channel to unity to send back to the Avantis for Virtual Sound Check. That answers my question. I've never used virtual sound check but think it would be a great tool to train people on the sound board, but I didn't know if Logic sent everything back Pre-Logic processing or Post-Logic processing. Sounds like by your reply it's post, so I need to remove all processing from Logic. Thanks again. Let me know if I misunderstood.
@@sliefoxmultimedia based on that info, I would agree. I’ll be back on my campus Wednesday and I’ll check a couple of other things just to see. I’m curious if I you could record two sets of tracks down at once, or double patch them into logic. The other thing I’m curious about is whether you can set specific channels in logic to send back out pre/post so that you could potentially just have one template for everything where for example, 1-16 (or whatever your last channel is) is your thru processing lobby, broadcast, etc… and 16-32 is your unaltered recording channels for virtual sound check. It means bigger files, but it sounds like you do all your broadcast stuff in post which means you could eventually cut those tracks out of your VS file and save some space. If you’re interested, I’ll let you know what I find!
@@Marshall_Swift Sounds good. Thanks for your help. It might be easiest to set up another computer for a couple weeks, add it to Dante and record a second unaltered set of files on that machine to use for Virtual Sound Check for training. I don't know that we need to make it a permanent thing, I just thought it would be a great training tool. If I got 10-15 songs recorded over a few weeks, that would probably be all I need. Thanks again. This was a helpful video.
@@sliefoxmultimedia as it turns out, you can in fact dual patch your tracks into logic. So tracks 1-16 can come from inputs 1-16, but then tracks 17-32 could also come from inputs 1-16. You cannot however, record two projects simultaneously. If you wanted to do it all in one project I would suggest the first option, and just don’t assign outputs to tracks 17-32 (or whatever doesn’t go to your lobby) until your ready to virtual sound check and don’t do any processing on those channels. I do like the idea of setting up a second rig though that’s just dedicated to VS. Hope this helps!
How do you treat dante input backing tracks when you playback thru VS? Let's say that they are 16 dante inputs going to channels 8-24. They would record out on those channels, but Dante controller would still be mapped to original channels in Dante Controller.
In Dante controller, you’ll actually set up two different patches. The 1st patch is going from the Dante card to Virtual Sound Card on your computer. The 2nd patch is from the computer back to the Dante card. I think around the 8:12 mark in the video I talk about patching in Dante controller. You have to patch both directions or you will only get sound into the computer, not out, and vice versa.
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Hello! Thanks for the video, really good quality and info!
I have a question just to be clear because my English is not that good:
You have a gx4816(or whatever patch on stage) and you connect via SLink to avantis, and after that you can send to Dante in that way?
Don't you need to have a Dante cars into the stage patch too?
Thanks very much!
@@alesandergonzalez7761 with the Avantis and the GX4816, the Avantis is still the “brain”. The gx4816 only work over a-link as it does not have card slots. So yes, s-link from stage box to Avantis, then with a Dante card in the Avantis, you can go out over Dante to wherever.
@Marshall_Swift thanks very much! Appreciate it
Hello, thanks for the video. Just one doubt. I routed out my input channels to DAW using Tie Lines. Would this also work? Could you please explain what is this tie Line for? thanks in Advance
@@livemixpriyanaccording to A&H: “Tie lines on an Avantis are a feature that allows users to send audio directly from input sockets to output sockets without any processing. This can be useful for recording, as it allows users to start a new mix without any of the processing that was used live.”
Now, all of that said, at least in my situation, there’s no benefit to patching your recording inputs through tie lines as the standard patching is built to work flawlessly with the built in virtual sound check function. The only reason I would use tie lines is if I wanted “raw” tracks and I wasn’t going to use them for VS. If I was taking down tracks to work on but didn’t have enough sends/outputs or something like that, I would use tie lines.
@@Marshall_Swift Hello, Thanks for the quick reply. Does that mean Tie Line records unprocessed input to DAW and "Ip Direct Out" Processed data? If so, when we use the recorded Data via "Ip Direct Out" for the VS, it will be processed twice, isnt it?
@ this depends solely on how you set your outputs for recording. If they’re set to pre, the only processing you’re getting is gain structure, which is crucial for VS as you want the channel strip and preamp to respond like it’s the actual instrument/voice. If you set them to a variant of post, you’ll begin recording additional pieces of the channel strips processing such as EQ, filters, etc… if you use those “post” recorded channels, you’re then “double processing” them in VS. I have everything set to pre and it works flawlessly.
@@Marshall_Swift Thanks. You mean wehter tie Line or "Ip Direct Out", it doensent make any difference für VS if we use "Pre"., right?
@ no. My understanding is tie line does not give you the live gain structure. It only gives you the actual input level at the source. To get proper gain structure, so that VS responds as though it’s live, you’ll need to take the ip direct out routed through your Dante card.
I have a question. Maybe you haven’t run into this before. We have the exact same setup, but when we play back through the avantis, the sources don’t sound the same as they did live. They almost sound weaker and tonally different when we play them back. We aren’t running any plugins or any EQs on anything in Logic so I am wondering if the project settings like sample rate etc could be affecting it? It all comes through, but it does not sound the same as it did Live
Also I noticed you didn’t hit “record send” which is what we do to record tracks. Does that mean we don’t need to do that? What is the function of record send?
@@rocketeergames6844 so the first thing to check is to make sure your outputs to the logic rig are set to “pre”. This will ensure they’re being recorded without any signal chain processing, which can absolutely effect the signal strength and tonal qualities of playback. As far as your second comment, all I do to record is arm the logic tracks and hit the red record button. This is the simplest and purest method for taking down tracks. If you route your Dante outputs as I’ve done in the video, it’s a constant feed to the logic computer whether you’re recording or not. That way when you’re ready, you just open your template, arm, and hit record.
@ ok thanks! 😊 I was also wondering if it could be my sample rate or any other recording settings in Logic be messing anything up or causing us to lose audio quality? What do you have those type of settings adjusted to?
@ while the Avantis can operate at 96k, logic records in 48k. It does this automatically and you shouldn’t have to adjust anything out of the box. That said, while you lose a shyest bit of quality during playback, it’s not enough to make a big difference, especially the difference in signal you’re seeing. I’m willing to bet your issue is the pre/post settings. I dealt with this the first hand full of recordings I did and that’s exactly what it was.
Thanks! I want to know what kind of computer I need. My i5 8 gb ram and 500 gb hard drive computer isn’t fast enough and I’m upset because it met the specs they wanted so what do you have so I can get something similar
@DbiPro so an i5 with 8Gb of ram should absolutely do it. I’m using a 2015 model iMac with a quad core i5, 8Gb of ram and a 1T hard drive. But the first tests I did were on a 2015 MacBook Pro with the same stats as yours.
That said, something I had to do to keep everything from freezing up was throttle the Dante virtual sound card back to the highest latency possible so the computer’s processor could keep up.
Latency doesn’t necessarily matter for virtual sound check because you’re just recording. Then when you play it back, you’re not trying to line it up with anything live either. I would try this before throwing $$$$ at a new computer.
One more little tip to note, when I’m recording tracks, that is literally the only thing that terminal is doing. Nothing else is open and I’m not touching it at all while recording. If I try to launch a program during recording, depending on how resource intensive the program is, my recording will stop and I’ll get a notification that says “disk too slow”. However, as long as I leave it alone, I’ve never had a problem.
Let us know how it goes!
Great video. One thing I didn't see in your video was to ensure that the outputs in Logic need to be routed to each output specifically. ex. Input 3 needs to be Output 3.
Question: Are you using a Network card?
Thanks for the watch and thanks for commenting! I did mention this at 15:30 but I didn’t go into great detail. As far as cards go, I’m using a 64 x 64 Dante card in the back of the Avantis, a 32 x 32 Dante card in my SQ5, and then using virtual sound card on the iMac to allow Dante in and out. This is all direct connect. I’m not running a switch in my Dante network at this point but hope to go ahead and implement that soon as I’ll be needing more Io pretty quickly.
@@Marshall_Swift Very cool. I learned the hard way to only use Netgear switches. TP Link had way too many drop outs. I'm using a TF Rack for IEMs and having to reconfigure routing in order to run VSC without disconnecting IEMs when I do VSC. I did not plan ahead. This video helped and confirmed a few things for me. Thank you!