Woodworking hand saws and how to use them
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2022
- woodworking hand saws and how to use them. Rob Cosman shows you why you neew hand saws even in a power tool shop and how to use them
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Yes rob, I watch your RUclips's all the time. Very informative and I like watching, I've learned a lot Thank you...
Practical advice. This shop has a lot of the practical. I like that.
Great tips, especially the one "if you can't break it, there is no end checks".
glad you liked it
I saw the triangle on the cabinet below the planes and got so excited thinking that MAYBE Rob was dovetailing a Flag display together with 45° bottom angles!! So I hurried over to the newest Online Workshop. I paused it on a shot of the back cabinet and zoomed in… 😔 It was just 90° example dovetail.
Lol. 😂
Maybe someday he’ll close one of those up with 3 sides and show us how to make 45° dovetails. 😉🙏
Here’s to hoping for Flag Display video.
I love using panel saws! Granted I got a small shop but my grandfather loved doing everything without using power tools, always told me to appreciate craftsmanship. I use a couple power tools but I love the feeling of hand tools and hand saws
i am with your grandpa
Love the content Rob. Cannot begin to tell you how excited I am for your area to turn down the Covid restrictions so I can come participate in the PHP. Have been watching the availability religiously for over a year now.
we have fingers crossed for our May class
Dear Rob, your session reminded me of my father who was a carpenter years back. He used both the crosscut and rip cit saws generously. In my view no power tool can replace the work done by hand tools.Great tips
There is something about doing it unplugged
In the Netherlands we all use handsaws. Of course, you can get a variety of handsaws here. The price also makes it attractive. I used to be a carpenter myself, so yes, the age is right. Well thanks for the effort.z👍🏼👍🏼
Just something about using a good hand saw,, always loved, even as a youngster. Plus my ears dont ring after I'm done. Good show Mr. Cosman, always a joy.
thanks for commenting
I am heading out to build a bench like that TODAY! Thank you!
Such a pleasure watching a craftsman at work with economy of motion. My rip saw has disappeared but my tenon and cross cut saws are over 100 years old. I love them 🌞
I love old saws too!
Familiarizing myself with and eventually purchasing a panel saw has been near the top of my todo list for a while. Thanks for this video, super useful!
Glad to help
Good stuff! Enjoyed watching. Thanks.
thanks for commenting
thanks
Hey there pal, I LOVE my hand saws big and small! Not many people realize what a good set and sharp saw can do easily, most people's only experience is a dull old one in papaw's garage!
well said
Really enjoy your informative videos and think your saws and marking guages are superb. Thanks.
thanks for the feedback
I too like the shorter length of the Lie-Nielsen. You can still find some great Disston vintage saws on the market. They tend to be a little longer with a little taller saw plate. Very comfortable grips and fun to use something that has been around for 100 years. Just to think of all the people who used it before you is incredible.
older saws are great and in many ways better than new if they have not lost their spring
About 40 years ago I bought my first cross cut hand saw...a Sandvik...it was beautiful...it had one annual job of cutting that little bit off the Christmas tree trunk before bringing it into the house and setting it in the stand...love that saw! Lots of Christmases later, I finally refinished it and pretty much brought it back to its glorious condition. Think I might give it a go on some other cutting tasks. In the meantime I have hanging conspicuously behind the bench! ( just above the charging station...yup...circular saw...battery operated)...
I like the options...sometimes power...sometimes not!
Thanks for this lesson.
Sandviks make great saws...I have two
There is absolutely no table saw that sounds as nice as a hand saw😉
Thanks you very much 💓
You're welcome 😊
I used a handsaw alot in my younger years, taught by an old English Carpenter. One trick to finish a notch (birdsmouths, , stringers....) and other awkward situations in was to invert the saw so you cut away from you. Very effective and more natural than you might think.
Pura vida Rob I love use my handsaw everything I can use them I love the feeling of use my technique and muscle to cut lumber without power tools :)
Thanks for watching and commenting
If you don't have a saw bench you can still rip long boards using an overhand grip on a taller bench. It’s very comfortable, conserves energy, and surprisingly accurate.
thanks for the tip
Great video Rob. I have a couple of pax saws, rip and crosscut, but more aggressive 5tpi rip and 8tpi (I think) on the crosscut. I don't have a table saw or bandsaw so I cut everything with them. Just recently ripped a single zebrano board into 8 1.5x2" pieces that were about 6.5ft long. Great workout! Took around 20 minutes per rip, so an afternoon really to get all my stock cut. It's for a clothes drying rack, and it'll likely take me a few months to complete as I'll revisit it every so often, so in the scheme of things, the sawing isn't really adding much to the project. It's very satisfying too, when you get a straight and accurate (ish!) cut consistently.
So satisfying to be a handtool craftsman...unplugged
I love use rip saw Rob and guys
me too
Great video! Those saws are not used often but when they are this video has explained how to use them effectively. Some one should make saws like that with smaller teeth to get started like your dovetail saws.
Thanks for sharing!
we have been thinking o making panel saws for a long time now
Once you get into sharpening your own saws, you can give the teeth at the toe of the saw a less aggressive rake angle, which makes it easier to start the cut (rip saws in particular).
Rob, do you have a video for that workbench? I’d like to build one like that.
Good, good.
Thnaks
Great tips! I like to break down large heavy boards with hand saws since they are awkward to carry around. I don’t use my western style panels saws much anymore since I really enjoy using Japanese pull saws. I like the pulling action of the Japanese saws more than the push of western panel saws
thanks for commenting
I doubt you tried to rip a 6 foot board of white oak. Japanese saws are only suited for softwoods. Let alone sharpening
Used to always use hand saws as an apprentice, the ‘hard points’ had come out in the mid 80’s so I never really got into the traditional saws EXCEPT when I was in the workshop with the old joiner and we were cutting tenons for doorsHe would do the shoulders on the RAS and we would rip them at opposite ends and side of the workbench with his old rip saws!
He kept them very sharp, and they were quite curved, noticeably so! Ie, the teeth were not in a straight line.
It’s surprising how good you get at it when you’re at it all day! 😂 we would throw the cuts off the cheeks at each other when it was absolutely perfect which becomes the norm when your body learns.
One of the hardest things I stressed out about as an apprentice was cutting exactly perpendicular to the top, without and guide lines as reference ( we were allowed to mark the top only, as marking the top and side was too slow and unnecessary apparently 😂)
How would you teach this Rob? With the timber at any angle, and if the blade was far from shiney so you can’t use the reflection trick ?
Maybe I was just over thinking it ?
I have my great uncles rip hand saw and my grandfathers cross cut and my dads hand saws. I have been teaching my son to use them before he gets power tools.
way to go
I'm old enough to remember the use of hand saws myself. In fact, if you want to buy another one that's bigger than 22" long. They're very very hard to find!! A full size saw that is. So I'll take my dad's and sit down and sharpen every tooth, reset the kerf and hang it on the wall.
Sharpening saws is a great skill to have and pretty easy to learn but it intimidates a lot of folks
Is there somewhere I can go to see or purchase plans for building your collapsible saw bench?
Got myself an brand new sandvik from the 80s of eBay ...scared to use it now hahaha 🤠
Any chance you guys will come up with your brand of hand saw to complete the saw line?
I've gotten so used to Japanese pull saws that I find it awkward to use a Western push style now. My panel saws are pretty much decoration hanging on my shop wall.
sell them, lots of buyers out there
I looked and I didn't see any panel saws on Lie Nielsen but some others are selling the Pax line of saws made in the UK. And I keep one of the fire hardened tooth saws in the truck for trips to the lumber yard.
Try Bad Axe saws
Thanks for doing a lesson on the often ignored panel saw. As a hobby wood worker I prefer using hand tools. A panel saw has a real place in the hobby wood worker shop. Question. I note you use a 12TPI Cross Cut and a 7TPI Rip. Why? I currently have a 12TPI Rip and am looking for a good, old Cross cut. What are the ins and outs of TPI selection for panel saws. Most of my backed saws are 12 TPI because I find its fine enough and yet still sharpenable with the poor selection of files these days.
When ripping with panel saws its usually a long ripcut and I want to get through it quickly, therefore a smaller TPI which cuts more aggressively and thus quicker is called for. 5-8 TPI is fairly standard for a rip panel saw. This is not a joinery cut so I dont need it to be super smooth, I am just breaking down stock
I suspect why old saws seem more comfortable is because they usually have smaller handles. Men seem have grown taller and bigger than was the case fifty or a hundred years ago, perhaps because of diet. I’m 5’ 9”, a tradesman - a plumber - and have a couple of old saws. I one case the first owner stamped his initials and last name on the saw, so I looked up his date of death which was in the early 1980’s . It fits my hand like a glove, while a recent modern saw purchase from a Sheffield maker has space for a larger hand than mine.
Lie Nielsen no longer offers panel saws. What saws as a replacement would you recommend?
Antique saws are a great way to go if you know how to sharpen, which is easy. If not check out Bad Axe saws
1:58 on the right side, under the socket in the background ... is this a sabot round?
yes
Thanks for the tips! Rob, on the top of those saws in your video, near the front of the plate, there appears to be a cut out. Does that have a specific function? I’ve been planning on getting a better panel saw soon. Right now I just have the cheap big box store style.
There are pages and pages of speculation written on what those are for. No one really knows, its traditional
I’ve seen people put their other hand on there. Thumb in the round part and the other four finger lying on the top. Not sure if that’s the reason tho
@@perfectjays sounds like a reasonable explanation, thanks!
Masterful tuition - only possible with experience. Do you think "speed, not force" would summarise saw skills? To go fast, you need little friction which means you are doin' it right, but If you get a lot of friction, you're doin' it wrong.
Ok but I would use steady verses fast
Since Lie Nielsen is no longer making those saws, how about some Rob Cosman panel saws?
Its possible
Now that Lie nielsen is not making panel saws, what is a good brand to acquire. Thanks
If you're new to it , try a Spear &Jackson. Found on Amazon.
Look at Bad Axe or antique saws if you can sharpen
when will we see a RC panel saw?
We are thinking about it
What is the name of the hand saws that you are using?? And how could I get a hold of the manufacturer to buy them
It looks like the original maker of Rob's saws (Lie Nielsen) is no longer making them, but you can also take a look at Bad Axe Saws. Pricey, but well made. Buy once, cry once as they say.
Jim is correct on both counts
Check out Erik Florip's saws. He has a great reputation and he's a Marine veteran as well. Picking up one of his bench saws this week.
@@mattcttrll Thank you Matt, I will, Eric was a Marine, out standing!! During the Vietnam war I was in the navy.. I will look him up...
@@jimgordon8938 Thank you Jim, I will look Him up And check him out..
With many power tools, both corded and battery powered, people forget about these hand tools. But when you have to use your own muscle power you learn little subtle lessons. Is the blade clean, sharp, teeth set correctly? If it is binding use some wax. Take that knowledge to the power tools and things will be easier.
ditto
I agree, But being a wheelchair I can not use my knee. Darrell
Rob, I know you really like to show off your joinery, but for those of us that want to build something with a more subdued aesthetic, maybe you could show us even just once how you'd do a full-blind dovetail, and perhaps a blind wedged mortise & tenon? 🙄
Thanks! Ive been trying to train a family in how to use hand saws, and thogh totally ignorant(father, too!), the boys(10 and 8) are psyched(siked)about being able to take a saw into the woods, far from electricity and any cutting they want to do! Just a funny note: the boys put their thumb sticking out as I instructed, but their hand is far from the saw blade, doing NO GOOD for starting the cut!!
That type of saw gets little use in my shop, cordless circular saw and a roofing square, much quicker.
look into pax hand saws. they are great , maybe pricy dont know. ive got a couple.
But not nearly as safe, satisfying, nor dust free
Fix your headline.
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Rob's headline is absolutely correct. A short hand saw is traditionally called a panel saw, has been for centuries. They are called panel saws because they were short enough to fit into the upper panel of a large portable tool chest.
That's not a panel saw.Fix your headline!
A short handsaw like this has been called a panel saw since before the powered one called that existed.
Yes that is a panel saw. Handsaws come in two basic configurations. longer than 24 " and shorter than 24". A handsaw less than 24" is called a "panel saw" Not to be confused with a powered saw mounted to a frame used to cut plywood which is also called a panel saw.