You've Never Seen a Moxon Vise Like This One !
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- Moxon Vise. Rob Cosman shows an ingenious way to make and mount a moxon vise
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Hi there
Great idea with that table saw. I created my Moxon vise and added a box behind with holes just like the MFT top to secure pieces with the clamps to do the pins. I just need to do a drawer to store some tools. Great vise, thank you.
Anyone else notice how excited Rob looked at the end? It’s really inspiring to see a man at his level get excited like that.
Thank you Rob, great idea and spectacular video as always.
Great video and build. I do have 2 minor additions to it. 1, where the spring meets the movable jaw, place a washer so the spring moves more smoothly than against the timber. 2, in the movable jaw place some type of bush inside the hole. This will allow the movable jaw timber not to be in contact with the thread. As any comment suggested elongating the holes in the movable jaw to enable non square materials to be clamped. In another video by another RUclipsr, the used copper pipe for a sleeve. No matter the exterior dimension, copper pipe can be formed to fit inside the slide hole.
This vice would be great for a job site saw, as a vice is always there to be used.
I would cut out a rectangular section from each side of the MDF to make a T shape that would fit between the threaded rods. That way you can store the MDF in the vice instead of getting down to put it under the table saw. Otherwise wonderful idea.
I'm 56 and a 3rd generation woodworker whose been cutting dovetails for well over 40 yrs. My mind is officially blown and I am SO doing this.
(Everyone I have ever taught had absolute crap for a stable surface- it's imperative for good work.)
Spring was a fantastic idea to add to the vise! Another great video thanks Rob and all those that help getting videos on RUclips!
thank you for watching and commenting
And just when I thought I had reached the age where I couldn’t add another vice into my life……what a great idea. Just going to have to paint the wheels bright red so I will not miss bruising the side of my leg. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge!
That is absolutely ingenious!
Great idea, excellent execution!
This is the PERFECT spot for my vice!!!!! Thank you for the idea.....love it!!!!!!! Thanks for all you do!!
Brilliant Idea and practical build. Thanks, keep up the great work!
Thank you Rob, fantastic idea. I have a SawStop like yours, your instructions make it simple. Thanks for sharing this idea.
Awesome idea. So simple
this is so exciting, what a great idea! I'm almost certainly doing this to my sawstop
Absolute genius idea Rob, especially for us folks with very small shops.
This vise looks like a great idea thanks for sharing this
This is a terrific idea!!
Brilliant idea. I’ve been looking to find how I can pit a Moxon Vice somewhere and this is the perfect place for all the reasons you mentioned.
I was looking to make a detachable version, I think I'll do this instead. Perfect for my smaller footprint workspace! Thanks for sharing what you found!!
Very cool idea! nice build too Rob. I liked the low cost materials and the easy build. Anyone can make one! I have a bench-top version in the works. will send some photos when its done.
Whoa! That is a really good idea! You guys really have some great ideas/products. I gotta hand it to you. It must be so satisfying to be able to bring your ideas to fruition the way you do. what with the dovetail tools you've invented and the saws and everything. Just fantastic. Thanks for sharing it.
Rob: Finished end vise on my sawstop today using this video! A great idea and great addition. I made mine out of ash, and used a benchcrafted hardware package that I already had purchased. Thanks!
Really cool idea!!
Just what my overcrowded shop needs! Thanks Rob and friends.
there you go
Thanks Rob...great idea!
you bet
Rob, thanks for this, I can benefit from this design!
Great idea, beautifully executed as only Rob can do. I used some spherical washers and modified the outer jaw holes to allow the jaw to be angled when clamping. Handy for non rectangular workpieces
Great idea!
I sure enjoy your content. Thank you for the effort and bringing our next woodworking project to a whole new level.
Thank you very much!
I built a moxon vise two years ago, but I was intrigued by Luther’s suggestion to add springs. I went to my workshop to get some measurements, and found that I had a different solution. I used pipe clamps, a far more economical approach, and attached the two face pieces of each clamp with pieces of wood. I could have drilled holes in each face and used screws. While Luther was an O5 or O6, nothing can beat an E5 in the USMC where over 50 years ago we were taught to adapt, improvise and overcome. My vise is portable so I can clamp it to my workbench, end table on my Shopsmith or a table saw if I had one. I glued together pieces of plywood to form faces that are 2” thick and 26” long and left the tops of the faces flat so the dovetailed piece of wood can get a final planing on the moxon vise. A box is attached to the back of the vise to hold the dovetail saw and marking devises. I used the vise to make six of Paul Sellers’s desktop organizers that were gifts for family and my neurosurgeon. That is another story, especially how he uses it.
This is for certain one of those "Why didn't I think of that?!" moments - having no decent bench, I've been clamping a board to the end of my saw and then clamping stock to the board - the board has a lip on bottom of it so it would keep things in place like a 3rd hand while I got the clamps in place ... the greater irony is that I've been working on a moxon vise ALMOST the same width as the table saw ... I guess you just need to see it first - well, off to my shop !
Thanks Rob!!
Fantastic idea, thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
That's awesome it exactly what I was looking for
Great idea that you gentleman came up with. I have a Powermatic, so my dust cover is in the way. Will have to make some alterations. Thanks for the tip/
Very nice way to add a moxon vice. Great video. Thank you.
thanks for the comment
Great idea
Hmm. That's thought provoking. Nice one, Mr C. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and commenting
That's an excellent idea. Thanks so much. I made a Moxon to clamp to my workmate. Hard Maple. First time I tried it out, it rolled right off the workmate onto my toe. The first words out of my mouth were, "Right, I have a doctorate." haha.
I bought the kit from Woodcraft, you’re right, an excellent tool! Thanks Ron.
Brilliant, i dont have room or fundsfor a dedicated bench yet and have been frustrated by being unable to clamp material. This is a great temporary solution, thank you.
Pretty incredible!
glad you liked it
From what I have read... the threaded rod... is an acme thread pattern ... for those looking to bypass the Kit
That is awesome. I am building a moxon vise fit my bench next week this sure have some great ideas to modify mine. Thanks Rob.
Send us a pic when you get her done
Nice tip!
I love it! I share a shop with my Brother, and we sometimes find ourselves both needing a vise, so it might be worth just putting one on the end of the table saw (actually need to replace the stamped wings first) and leave it there.
GENIUS!
Cool! Going to make this! I've been clamping a small vise to my saw table. Should have thought of this.
Absolutely a great idea. Might just make one for my Unisaw
A great idea for my table saw.
👍 GOOD WORK HAD ME WATCHING FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS OF YOUR DIFFERENT VIDEOS.. YEARS OF WORK YOU BECOME A JEDI WOODWORKING MASTER LOL
TAKE CARE
Oh ... and always, Excellent content!! from a fellow Canuck! I whatch em all
Thanks to Jason Langell (Indiana) & Colonel Luther for sharing your amazing ideas for this moxon vise!
Thats awesome. I guess looking around my own shop it sparks ideas for other work holding possibilities I never really looked at before besides on the ole work table. 👍
gets the old brain working!!!
@18:34 you’re actually using the adjustable wrench wrong. You’re straining the movable jaw. I got to correct Rob Cosman on tool technique 😱😱😱 all jokes aside thank you for your impeccable work and work you do for wounded veterans. That really hits home for me.
Can you do a force diagram please to illustrate your point? I can't see how which direction you use the spanner avoids putting strain ( force ) against both jaws
And yes, I do like this video. I'm making one of these for the local woodwork club. I'm making it as a mobile height extension work platform with moxon. It will be clamped to any one of the eight joiners benches to 1. hold work at a more suitable height for dovetales and other similar work, and 2. include a 30" x 20" bench that includes bench dogs and holes for hold downs. I like the spring idea. I'm lucky Luther didn't patent it - yet.
Yup the springs areawesome
Awesome idea! Keep the projects coming. Love watching the videos.. maybe a mitered dovetail next time ;) thanks Rob!
Its on the to do list
That is a fantastic upgrade to a Sawstop (or any table saw)!
Great idea Rob. I’ve been looking for a spot in my shop for a vice like this. I’ve got a router table on one side and the other side of my saw is open.
Super idea for those of us with limited space and easy to modify to a Moxon worktop by building a deck on to it. Still waiting on the donkey ear shooting board you teased about a few weeks ago.
This is an AWESOME idea! I wonder if you were to put dog holes in the vice, and put a spacer against the tablesaw fence if you could clamp boards flat and plane against it. I'm just getting into joinery and was gifted a cabinet saw. I don't have a bench yet but this could get me by for a little while!!!
I am currently planning a moxon vise build, although mine will be a little bit different.. I have just decided on the wood river kit. Thank-you Rob and Co. 😄😁🤘🙌❤
Glad this video helped
Clamping to a machine, such as a tablesaw, is a great idea for those who lack bench space. HOWEVER, a major feature of the Moxon vise is to raise the work piece high enough to saw comfortably. A table saw may not permit this. The other item is the spring. I first came across this idea from David Barron about 6 or 7 years ago (there is a RUclips video). My modification was to use tapered springs (rather than the parallel springs used here). These collapse into themselves, which will allow the chop to close up. Regards from Perth, Derek Cohen
Good idea! I planned on making one someday for dovetails. I think I need it closer to my eyeballs. Struggling at bench height...
Genius!
Thanks
Overall good idea Rob! Finally a moxon vise without the stud sticking way out which is one of my pet peeves about moxon Vise but yours doesn't seem to have this well done! You'll have to do now is get a table $1,500 cast iron table saw to attach it to🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂
I really like the design and will seriously consider building it, but my Work-Mate
does the same operation without those hip ripping bolts sticking out when clamped closed.
A well demonstrated installation, explained so anyone can follow. Thanks for the idea.
That’s why I screwed those as far in as I could. And, it’s surprisingly well placed, well enough that I don’t fear hitting my hip on the screws.
Brilliant! I might just add that to my saw to supplement the crummy vise on my bench . . .
Great idea!
Great video. And great idea You might want to split the recess for the spring and hex nut between the two boards, there will be less of a thin section on the wheel side board
Looks like a cool idea. Only thing I wonder about if the vice would end up being a good working height. Cool to see the Woodriver moxon vise hardware in action.
Way back, I had an early Leigh jig. They introduced improved vice parts, and I was talking to the owner on the phone and telling him how great that was and how much I was looking forward to the parts (they worked great). Anyway, he said I would love them, but he was kinda amused at all the people who were scrambling for them because the way the jaw was designed (like a large Moxon jaw with tiny knobs), was that what you were supposed to do was just release one end, the way you did at 2:15, but by pushing in on the jaw, and spinning the knob, using the jaw to develop the clamping force. And reversing that when replacing the next piece of identical wood. He knew people would spend more time fritzing with two ends of a vice, even with the sophisticated hardware he had designed, and that they would have less clamping power, than with the tiny knobs, but using the jaw itself as the clamp.
Of course if the jaw if filled from side to side, you only have the knobs or levers to work with and the ones you specify on the Moxon are up to the job. But his insight of using the jaw is still a pretty good idea when cycling through a bunch of drawer parts. I think a lot of people will get into the habit of releasing just one side, but that is not the whole process, it is dropping the weak hand to jaw plate, and using that to hold the work, until the strong hand lets go, and can spin the knob.
thanks for the comment and story
Those would look great with a nice cherry finish.
Great vise! The credit for the spring idea should be given to David Baron. Love the table saw idea.
Yip, 2014 on his channel
I asked Luther and thats where he saw it, David Barron. I didn’t know that when we filmed the video
Using a version of this idea and inexpensive Jorgenson Pony vises, I modified my work bench to create a full width (23") moxon vise with 8" wide hand plane smoothed laminated poplar (oak was unfortunately too expensive). Super useful vise
Maple is so beautiful
Thank you! I do this much less elegantly... with clamps and it is a PAIN!
Totally going to do this. Not that you would want to... I might add a pop up dog on the vice and have the sacrificial MDF lip into a miter slot so I can have dogs on there for clamping when working on a wider work piece than 2".
Very clever and nicely executed idea! Was thinking you could clamp in a longer piece of wood lengthwise with the overhang extended toward the front of the saw to use as infeed support for a wider piece of plywood. Would only give you support along one side of the sheet but might be helpful for balancing the beginning of a cut. Not standing in front of my saw right now so just thinking out loud ;)
Im feeling pretty good that I basically had the same idea just a few weeks ago. I don’t have a joiners bench and I was struggling with work holding for hand tools. So I recently put dog holes in my shop made router table (double laminated Baltic birch) on the side of my table saw and it made an amazing mini bench. Not a moxon but a couple hold downs on the face or top give me more than enough.
Sounds like another good solution
Great idea. A thought or two on the "Bumping Into the Handles" concern; The one thing about the Moxon Vise in a fixed location that are concerning to me are the two threaded rods that stick out - ready and waiting to poke the unwary woodworker in a tender spot. ( I suppose that could be considered just a part of the "Learning Curve".) As to your coarse threads observation, there are woodworkers who prefer all wood bench vises simply because, compared to metal non-quick adjust models, their coarser threads make adjustments that much quicker. As long as they operate smoothly and without binding, it's a trade off.
The last line Rob said: " .... the Moxon vice TILL YOU GET YOUR GOOD BENCH".
I really enjoyed the video of this product. You make it look very straightforward, which builds confidence that I can also do it. My thought is this, I love it the way it is, but would it be better to work with the tightening wheels if they had small handles on them so you could turn it with just one hand on each side. I have Rheumatoid Arthritis, and to open my hand that far across the whole wheel would be very hard and painful. However, it had a small handle that stood out on the front of the wheel, similar to the way I adjust the quill at the end of my lathe. 🙂🙂 Your thoughts?
This is excellent! One observation. If you counterbored the back board for the nut you wouldn’t have so much to remove from the front chop. Probably not a big deal though.
I love how there is what I estimate is a 105mm SABOT tank round sitting in the corner of the shop by the drill press!! LOL
My pal "Al" works here. I hired him a few years ago. Retired tank commander, Canadian Army Strathconas. Multiple tours over seas, blown up on his last tour in Afghanistan. This was the first round he fired as a Commander, gave it to me, another Strathcona from the local base, saw the empty shell and made me a walnut sabot round to top it off. Good eye!
Primo! Thanks Rob!
I built a moxon vise two years ago, but was intrigued by Luther’s suggestion for springs. So went looking at Amazon’s and Home Depot’s websites. Next I went to my workshop to get some measurement and too my amazement found that I did not need them. Or should I say that an E3 in the USMC
Brilliant, as usual, Rob. Would you consider a slight camber to the moving jaw? Since stock rarely leaves the planer in a dead flat condition, one might choose to use the bellied side facing in. Could help to keep the wide boards from vibrating in the middle, since the tendency of clamping down on the portion of the jaws cantilevered past the stock is to bend them slightly, leaving the center with little or no pressure at all. And I'll bet you have a cambered caul or two with your glue-up table, no?
Kewl!
glad you liked it
Love this idea. I would just use 2 MagSwitch magnets to secure the MDF.
The mdf part would also work great all they way up to the miter slot on the table saw with a hardwood miter bar attached to the mdf the magnets are good to but hey I’m a rookie I look up to you guys thanks mr cosman
good idea
Hey Rob, I just completed this vise and it works great. I have a Sawstop PCS 36" 3HP table saw. One issue however is that the vise is wide enough that the motor cover which normally hinges out below the vise gets caught on the bottom of the vise. Just thought you would want to know.
Great video !!! Can you suggest size and source for the springs ?
The vice is an awesome idea! How can we put that vice on a Cosman bench? That could go on a side or end. The springs are a game changer for a moxon vice great idea! Thanks for sharing. Take care and be safe.
It can easily go on the workbench, either in the face vise or end vise position or as on top as a portable vise. I would not advise in the end vise position as the Sjoberg would better handle holding piece flat on the top with a dog. The face vise position is a great option as is making the Moxon portable and holding it down on top of the bench. To ass to the face vise position you drill two holes through the side for th ethreaded rods and then chop out a slot to capture the nuts
That looks like a great idea, especially the springs. I'd suggest getting some of Andrew Klein's cork rubber for inside the vise, just to add some grip. It's pretty cool stuff. You might also mention, when measuring for a hole for the threaded rod, make sure it's low enough on the wood that it will clear the bottom of the table saw metal, I don't think I heard you mention that when measuring it.
Good point, but ya Rob mentioned it at the start
I could see where there could be a problem if the spring coil pitch matched the thread pitch at some point in the range it can open. Wouldn't it be a pain if the spring wire fell into the trough of the threads and prevented you from tightening the vice without finagling the wheels and the spring and the item you are trying to hold? There's a reason for capturing the thread to the moving jaw while winding the screw into the fixed jaw. It's because it works and springs don't.
the springs are genius
I'm still taking my woodworking to the first level.
Hawkeye!
I put a piece of walnut in that spot and use it as a place to hang my headphones, glasses and a small brush.
But it makes a vice location is a good idea for people like myself that use an assembly bench and not a work bench.
I think a nice chrome knob on the wheel for speed is a good idea.
All I have is a job site saw. Love the idea though. I’ll save it for when I get a cabinet saw.
good idea
Great, great cosminised version of the moxon vise.
Any chance you finished the portable tol chest you started a while ago or did you finish it on your online subscribed classes?
Thanks Rob
Cool idea. I get why you wouldn't put finish on a piece of MDF like that, one that will get chewed up, but to me it's worth it to rub some paste wax on it and buff it off. Ends up being a lot more pleasant to work on, it will probably last a little longer, and it doesn't dry my hands out form handling it.
great video and idea. the only down side is this design does not elevate the vice to a higher level so u do not need to bend your back so much when sawing dovetails.