Shimano certainly pushing the envelope again. However I think for the average rider it's more interesting that Shimano are also releasing Ultegra 8100 with all of the features of new Dura Ace. All the upgrades with a slight weight penalty but also more forgiving on the bank balance.
@@canaljkt Si explained that during the video. Closer ratios throughout the entire cassette. Closer ratios equates to optimal ( more comfortable) cadence at the speed of any group under any circumstances, climbing, sprinting, or cruising in the peloton. People often forget that Dura-Ace is specifically designed for road racing. They don’t mind selling it to anybody, but Dura-Ace is designed specifically for use by road racers for racing.
@@vongdong10 what do you think? I'm a poor cycling enthusiast and I recently bought a great road bike for about 250$(great for me tho and used reliable parts, I know you're thinking it's garbage). But I want to upgrade my groupset to Tiagra and it will be more expensive than the whole bike. My problem is again, I'm poor. So I decided to stop being passionate about bike and wait for the demand to drop. Like after the pandemic? What do you think? Will the bike parts demand go down sooner?or is it even a good decision?
Guessing that being part of a corporate content provider witb paying sponsors as opposed to small startup helps with that. For actual honest reviews you may have to look to other channels though
I would be concerned that the rear mech now will be more expensive than ever before to replace with the junction box integrated in it , after all its the one component that is more likely to break in a crash and wears out first.
Do you think the change to the Di2 shifters so you can change more easily in winter gloves or “with cold wet hands” was a direct response to a plea from Geraint Thomas?
By "adding more material to the crankset to further improve power transfer", actually they mean "to try and prevent it from falling apart like the previous generation ones"
Speaking of their crankset, I just can't get with the gloss black finish. Personal opinion and no more of course but that alone would be a deal breaker for me
The complete new Dura-Ace groupset comes to a total price of £4,281.87 Cassette £329.99-that’s a price rise of £110. The rear derailleur cost has also gone up by a lot, £150 (£549.99 to £699.99), while the front derailleur price jump is a little less significant-from £329.99 up to £399.99 that’s a £70 increase. The chainset is now £549.99, which is fifty quid more than previously. Then there’s the battery that has gone up £35, the chain by £12 and the bottom bracket by £7 as other examples of price increases.
I’m a musician and a guitar I bought in 2016 for £1850 is now £2450. Everything is up in price, it’s not just bikes and parts. My Lamb Biryani has gone up by a pound in the last six months.
@@gcn I‘m a bit worried because I am long legged and have to save reach wherever I can. Do you have information if there will be a „small hands“ version in the Ultegra again?
Campag out here laughing. What was once super expensive is becoming cheaper and they're the only guys running mechanical on their higher end groupsets too.
This old fart would take a top-of-the-line Compag mechanical groupset any day, especially when I eventually get delivery on my Richard Sachs steel road bike.
Even campag stock is getting harder to find, but they have managed to deliver most of the times. I believe a wireless EPS update may be around the corner.
@@curtvaughan2836 Thank god for those awesome down tube friction shifters. While i'm at it, what is all the excitement with this lycra stuff? Is it any better than wool?
@@stevenmeyer9674 My last downtube shifter road bike was a 1989 Raleigh Team 753. It had a DuraAce groupo with 53/42 chainrings and a 12-21 8 speed cogset (12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21). I was in my mid-30s at the time, the year Lemond won the Tour by 8 seconds, and could barely make that work. Re-outfitted that bike around 2000 with 52/38 chainrings and a 13-28 rear cogset. Gave that bike to my grandson about 7 years ago for his birthday. Told him he and the bike were the same age, born in 1989. He was coveting a retro-bike, and the old Raleigh fit the need. Yeah, wool itches and lycra is too form fitting for my old frame. Prefer cotton shorts these days :)
A great group-set that you don't need. Unfortunately with the current bike/component shortage, the price of older group-sets will not drop, which could have been its main advantage.
Hey. We're shooting really cool images in this industrial concrete surrounding. Lots of smoke, cool music and exciting editing as well. Really super-tasty. Should we use the shadow stand that we're also trying to sell in our shop? Nah. Let's just take a random wooden branch. It'll do the trick just fine...
"To further improve power transfer" means to stop cranks from failing, which from what I've heard and seen on the RUclips seems to be an issue with the previous generations.
I once knew a person that heard a friend that'd potentially watched a video about a problem with a item they'd only read comments about on the internet. I swear ✋
@@discbrakefan Dura-Ace groupset is all I've ever used from Shimano and what this video is presenting. Can't speak personally to Ultegra. My best guess would be that the failure rate is not 0 out of the many that have been produced over time, that being said there are many factors that contribute to shit breaking. Best
I've been riding a semi-wireless FSA We groupset for a year. This configuration is indeed the best of both worlds. Shimano seems to have improved on the concept by making the rear mech the wireless hub as opposed to FSA's front mech being the hub. FSA's logic was that the rear derailleur was too far away for a reliable connection.
I have been a life-long Campagnolo user and lover and have NEVER owned Shimano equipped bikes. This new Dura Ace has me thinking I may just be ready to add Shimano to one of my bikes. I do await the Campagnolo wireless groupset which must be in development.
It’s a beautiful groupset. Designed even more specifically than previous versions for road racing. Shimano has built the best road racing specific groupset they presently can produce. Why not fully wireless? They probably haven’t yet finished working that out without coming too close to copying SRAM’s eTap technology, and the last thing they want to do is pay licensing to a competitor.
So glad I cancelled my long-languishing r9100 orders after waiting several months. Now my bare frame can be built up properly on the latest and greatest groupset in the world! (Well - October anyway. Not long to wait as long as the initial inventory isn't snapped up by youtube influencers immediately.
GCN did for bikes what Top Gear did for cars. The production is immaculate. And since they have the same hair, Simon is practically Jeremy Clarkson's more well-mannered cousin 🤣
Seriously I’ve been a big SRAM fanboy for their ultralight philosophy, but they’ve clearly abandoned that since ETap. Looks like my next ride will be running Shimano
@@danielsvedberg2439 That's why I'm not upgrading my 10 year old 10 speed sram red anytime soon. New stuff is too heavy. Although I may go with Sram red 22...
Was able to see the gruppo @ Eurobike yesterday. It’s a thing of beauty. No mention in this video about the programmable “thumb-operated” buttons integrated into the brake levers …
Sounds awesome! A top end group set centered around racers, not the average consumer or amateur cyclist. I can accept that. Non mechanical Ultegra though...can't wait to see the backlash in that videos comment section. Unless Shimano's 'trickle down' includes their price points.
When I was a youth 5 speed blocks were fitted to racing bikes. They used to last the lifespan of the bike. These days because thin bladed cassettes are fitted, they wear out very quickly, the more rear cogs, the thinner they have to be and the result is they wear out at a much faster rate, needing numerous new cassettes now, in the lifetime of a bicycle and more profits for the manufacturer.
I mean you're looking at $10,000 to (?)$20,000 for a bicycle??? I $6000 was outrageous!!! We need to go back in time. People are so driven by marketing,...this is better, gotta have it!!!! Does that make riding a bike better or more fun,....or just make your testicles feel bigger.
great video i am from venezuela and i wanna ask you guys how hard is to buy a bike from pinarello or canyon en europe here in venezuela with the economical crysis its utopical because in some ways a bike like the one on the video its cost almost like a house or an apartment and also with the covid pandemic the bike manufacturers are slow down a lot much the producction causing the shortage on stock of those bikes like cgn are told in another video a litle while ago thanks in advance
100% agreed on Di2 only Dura-ace, and I think there's still some niche with Mechanical version of new Ultegra, or maybe I'm wrong since this update feels like almost all about how they change the Di2.
Looks like a nice upgrade. Any ideas why they stuck with the same rear derailleur pulley size. If bigger cassettes have more efficiency, surely that applies to pulleys too and they could have increased the size a bit larger without stepping on any ceramic speed patents.
Great set of changes, but I think we're getting to the point of diminishing returns now. The old DI2 (I only have Ultegra R8070) is so good that by speeding up shifting a bit etc might not be that big of a deal, whereas 20 years ago it would have been. I suspect the cost will be extortionate, but it is a mighty piece of kit and I would love it. I think I'd save my pennies and get Ultegra though.
The shifting speed of DA 11-speed was already far more superior than Sram AXS 12-speed and this 9200 series upped the game once more. Also not sure why are the semi-wiredless group is lighter than the wireless ones 😅
Wow, the Shimano thinking on their 12speed cassette is, I think, right on track! I would love to see a comparison with the SRAM Red axs etap: Weight, shifting speed, battery like, PRICE, etc There is a rim brake option? But Simon says there is no mechanical option, is it for the fully wired version? #askgcn #askgcntech
@@fantscher Simon says in the video that there is a rim brake version, but he also says that there is not a mechanical shifter version. Maybe I don’t understand or don’t know some things, but I thought that rim brakes are mechanical (as opposed to hydraulic brakes).
@@francoiscourtemanche117 yes there won't be mechanical shifting anymore. Only Di2. But just like with SRAM you can have electrical shifting and then hydraulic or normal brake cables. In it's most basic sense braking is always lever operated and mechanical :P
What Simon said meant, there is a hardwired version of the DI2 like it's predecessor 9150 i.e. none of the wireless transmission from the shifter but instead, the shifters will just connect like the last DI2's, thus the 50% battery increase. The shifters on the full wireless version has small batteries that will last c.14 months, so if you're concerned about those batteries depleting and you maybe in a position where you'll be stuck on a single gear, there is the wired version for those who fancy longevity in their shifters' battery life. Note, we're not talking about mechanical (cable) shifting here as this option is no longer available on the 9200 and 8100.
Big Shimano Dura-ace release... expensive bikes, mood lighting, subdued frame... SMOEK MACHINE - and a stick holding the bike up... Hey have you guys seen the shadow stand available in the GCN store...?
I can see shimano's reasoning for not having a mechanical version, although I am personally not a fan of it. Mechanical is a lot easier in my book when it comes to the daily use of the group set. Don't have to charge it, don't have to worry about a battery dieing during a ride/race. Sure you're mechanical cable could snap, but i feel it's way less likely. I'd rather lose a few tenths of a second in my shifting vs potentially losing it all together if i forgot to charge the derailleur (which i would def do) I like how Campy offers Super Record in both EPS and mechanical, the customer can choose their preference. Its logical in my mind to offer both at the very least.
@@1992gday yeah this is true. Ultegra is a perfectly good group and almost everyone i know goes with Ultegra because the cost vs benefit is much better compared to the extra cost of DA
With a CAAD12 Ultegra I would first have to buy a new frame then the groupset. That's okay, no yearning to upgrade the remainder of my life. But it IS pretty!
5:28 I have the SRAM Red eTap and its only flaw is the shifting under load. It just doesn't. However, SRAM got it right in every other aspect of their design. True wireless. Shimano may call theirs wireless, but I still see wire sticking out of the RD, not to mention the ones that are internally routed in the frame.
New to cycling. Almost all the cycling tips videos say that cross chaining is bad. But at around 6:57 of the video, we see Si in big ring and largest sprocket. I've seen Pogacar do this in stage 8 of the tour de france this 2021 as well. When is it okay to cross chain and what are the negligible downsides during a race for example?
I think I was most surprised by this being filmed during sunny weather. Anyway, I simply don't share your enthusiasm with Di2. I've had an Ultegra for 4+ years and it's quirky as hell. For a while, the bike should shift to the small chainring abruptly, but it has cleared up maybe with a firmware update. A more persistent problem is the rear derailleur shifting which can skip and hesitate and is infuriating on high-effort rides. If I were racing, I'd throw it in the garbage. I'll give this next generation a look since I'm planning another bike purchase next year but was thinking it would be SRAM.
DI2 is as already costs an arm and a leg, and now, a lot of us will not be in a position to be able to afford the next Ultegra series too. It's such a shame because I was looking to do a bike build, and was hoping to buy the new R8100 series, but no mechanical option means the cost will no doubt be astronomical. Perhaps, the new 105 R7100 maybe the same as the Ultegra R8100 but with a small weight penalty and possibly a mechanical option too?
I personally don't care how good or shiny it is, I don't want batteries on my bike. I need everything to work when I need to, not relying on batteries and charging them like a slave
@@richmanwisco it's not about the daily route pal, but all its life. Batteries has a life spawn, degrade can fail or even burn. A wire won't let you down, won't be an issue if you forgot to charge it, if you forgot your charger or if you are not in your hause. So yeah, I don't want batteries in my bike. Regarding my chain I clean it daily, every time I finish my run, as it should be.
@@nemure Hehehe so true. Now funny true story... Had a bunch of threads on the cycling forum made especially for cyclist who forgot battery or something fail and cant use their steeds so others from area can help them out lol. That`s what cycling is all about now a days xD
Like the look of the new Dura-Ace? Let us know in the comments!👇
Looks expensive 💎
Was never a fan of Shimano but this got my interest. Like that they are always innovating things, small improvements go a long way.
is there a quick release option. especially for rim brake specific bike? also for direct mount frames?
Yeee i do😛🤯🔥
Shimano certainly pushing the envelope again. However I think for the average rider it's more interesting that Shimano are also releasing Ultegra 8100 with all of the features of new Dura Ace. All the upgrades with a slight weight penalty but also more forgiving on the bank balance.
Up next Sram will be releasing a 14 speed to make its customer's wallet more aero.
Shimano has a patent on 14 speed🤥
Why so many sppeds, you can only use one at a time
@@canaljkt I'm guessing that it's for the climbs.
😂
@@canaljkt Si explained that during the video. Closer ratios throughout the entire cassette. Closer ratios equates to optimal ( more comfortable) cadence at the speed of any group under any circumstances, climbing, sprinting, or cruising in the peloton. People often forget that Dura-Ace is specifically designed for road racing. They don’t mind selling it to anybody, but Dura-Ace is designed specifically for use by road racers for racing.
friendly reminder to make sure to contact your fellow dentist,lawyer and banker and ask politely for their 2nd hand dura ace and ultegra.
Yok harga bekas turun bisa yok.
@@djailbrack tolong lah kabarin saya kalo ada yang jual grubset ultekra sejuta
cek inbox gan
My thinking too. Once they are widely available on the market, used 11 speed will be all over Craigslist and EBay.
@@klx250s8 siap gan, sudah di cek masih diluar bajet kalau dura ace 2 jutaan🙏
I can’t wait until this new series comes onto the market so it can make the old group sets CHEAPER 🤩
Haha if you can find them;)
Lol not gonna happen since demand is still so high
try sensah empire pro
Historically, that has been the case, but not this time around. Shimano presently has an 18 month lead time on the current 11-speed components.
@@vongdong10 what do you think? I'm a poor cycling enthusiast and I recently bought a great road bike for about 250$(great for me tho and used reliable parts, I know you're thinking it's garbage). But I want to upgrade my groupset to Tiagra and it will be more expensive than the whole bike. My problem is again, I'm poor. So I decided to stop being passionate about bike and wait for the demand to drop. Like after the pandemic? What do you think? Will the bike parts demand go down sooner?or is it even a good decision?
I swear, GCN's videos have been similar to how the old top gear feel is. Great job!
Spot on..
Came here to say that
Guessing that being part of a corporate content provider witb paying sponsors as opposed to small startup helps with that. For actual honest reviews you may have to look to other channels though
Oh man, I hope one day I'm lucky enough to ride such a slick bike.
The camera crew is getting better and better! The whole video matched the quality of a James Bond movie. Kudos to the video and camera team!
We're glad you enjoyed it!
Maybe one suggestion would be getting their hands on an electric scooter or bike to completely cut out the engine sound of the bike.
I love how immersive your videos are :)
Thank you very much!
There’s a “Top Gear” feel to this video. Superior production value!!
Agreed si reminded me of Clarkson lol...love it
Also the rode he rode on was pretty epic
...As paid for by a huge sum of money from Shimano.
@@BFinesilver2 yup...still entertaining as hell and makes me want to demo even tho all my bikes are Sram
Apart from the fact it's not a review, it's an advert.
@@ChocolateFrog Informative nonetheless
I would be concerned that the rear mech now will be more expensive than ever before to replace with the junction box integrated in it , after all its the one component that is more likely to break in a crash and wears out first.
600$ for rear mech
@@michal.laskowski. GX axs costs that much.
@@michal.laskowski. that's a joke
@@michal.laskowski. hahahaha, the last bike i bought cost 499. And i've been riding it for 7yrs straight
@@mihalis1010 For the entire upgrade kit, yes (or slightly less), GX axs rear mech is 300-350$
Do you think the change to the Di2 shifters so you can change more easily in winter gloves or “with cold wet hands” was a direct response to a plea from Geraint Thomas?
In 1983, I started using Dura Ace 7200. This was before the birth of modern racers and even retired racers.
What a great job introducing this much anticipated product! Now it's time to do a SRAM Red eTap comparison. Please, please, pretty please?
7:38, the return of that unmistakable canal boat noise.
😂
Yes, a lawnmower? Interfering with the comms. 7:58 "I marvelled at the previous version of Dur( condom brand)"
By "adding more material to the crankset to further improve power transfer", actually they mean "to try and prevent it from falling apart like the previous generation ones"
Speaking of their crankset, I just can't get with the gloss black finish. Personal opinion and no more of course but that alone would be a deal breaker for me
Still going with Campagnolo SR on my next bike.
I have Ultegra on my current bike, but I prefer the Campagnolo handles where to shift gears.
The complete new Dura-Ace groupset comes to a total price of £4,281.87
Cassette £329.99-that’s a price rise of £110.
The rear derailleur cost has also gone up by a lot, £150 (£549.99 to £699.99), while the front derailleur price jump is a little less significant-from £329.99 up to £399.99 that’s a £70 increase.
The chainset is now £549.99, which is fifty quid more than previously. Then there’s the battery that has gone up £35, the chain by £12 and the bottom bracket by £7 as other examples of price increases.
I’m a musician and a guitar I bought in 2016 for £1850 is now £2450. Everything is up in price, it’s not just bikes and parts.
My Lamb Biryani has gone up by a pound in the last six months.
The last dura ace 9100 was already ahead of the current Sram and Campagnolo groupsets, this latest one blows them out of the water!
Really love the ergonomics of those hoods..... they look absolutely perfect for my grubby mitts!
It's cool that Shimano have seen how people were using their groupsets, and taken this on board in their new developments, isn't it?
@@gcn true they were making what peopel "needed" i think thats cool!
@@gcn Is the new hand position UCI legal? I thought they got sad at forearms on the bars.
@@gcn I‘m a bit worried because I am long legged and have to save reach wherever I can. Do you have information if there will be a „small hands“ version in the Ultegra again?
@@chrisridesbicycles I too suffer from the "small hands syndrome." I don't, however, have long legs😭
4:58 I'm disappointed you missed the chance to say that Hyperglide+ takes shifting up a gear :(
Or even up a notch!
I’m riding this groupset now. It is really in a league of its own.
Campagnolo suddenly seems a bargain. And you don't have to wait 6 months for stock.
Campag out here laughing. What was once super expensive is becoming cheaper and they're the only guys running mechanical on their higher end groupsets too.
This old fart would take a top-of-the-line Compag mechanical groupset any day, especially when I eventually get delivery on my Richard Sachs steel road bike.
Even campag stock is getting harder to find, but they have managed to deliver most of the times. I believe a wireless EPS update may be around the corner.
@@curtvaughan2836 Thank god for those awesome down tube friction shifters. While i'm at it, what is all the excitement with this lycra stuff? Is it any better than wool?
@@stevenmeyer9674 My last downtube shifter road bike was a 1989 Raleigh Team 753. It had a DuraAce groupo with 53/42 chainrings and a 12-21 8 speed cogset (12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21). I was in my mid-30s at the time, the year Lemond won the Tour by 8 seconds, and could barely make that work. Re-outfitted that bike around 2000 with 52/38 chainrings and a 13-28 rear cogset. Gave that bike to my grandson about 7 years ago for his birthday. Told him he and the bike were the same age, born in 1989. He was coveting a retro-bike, and the old Raleigh fit the need. Yeah, wool itches and lycra is too form fitting for my old frame. Prefer cotton shorts these days :)
So glad they didn’t release a 10 up cassette 👌. Sram 12sp is basically 11sp with a ‘never used’ 10 sprocket
Exactly. There's a reason shimano waits. They always do it right and it always works.
A great group-set that you don't need. Unfortunately with the current bike/component shortage, the price of older group-sets will not drop, which could have been its main advantage.
Hey. We're shooting really cool images in this industrial concrete surrounding. Lots of smoke, cool music and exciting editing as well. Really super-tasty. Should we use the shadow stand that we're also trying to sell in our shop?
Nah. Let's just take a random wooden branch. It'll do the trick just fine...
That filming motorcycle needs new dura ace.
I thought he had playing cards flapping against his spokes. 😊
It’s the mandatory Vespa sound track.
It’s about time they moved to an electric moped.
"To further improve power transfer" means to stop cranks from failing, which from what I've heard and seen on the RUclips seems to be an issue with the previous generations.
I once knew a person that heard a friend that'd potentially watched a video about a problem with a item they'd only read comments about on the internet. I swear ✋
@@peteravolio2695 Peter you can't ignore this fact...ultegra c.sets fail!
@@leedorney Dura-Ace 🔎
@@peteravolio2695 I personally know two people who have had Ultegra cranks break
@@discbrakefan Dura-Ace groupset is all I've ever used from Shimano and what this video is presenting. Can't speak personally to Ultegra. My best guess would be that the failure rate is not 0 out of the many that have been produced over time, that being said there are many factors that contribute to shit breaking.
Best
0:38 Somewhere, a GCN ShadowStand cried a single tear.
Truth!
Thanks Si for being so convincing.
Now I just have to figure out how to say it when I'll gonna get back home...
3:14 This part gives me the goosebumps. Its SO cool!
Whenever I see a new Dura-Ace I love it, because it means it's only a matter of time before the tech trickles down to the Ultegra. Love it!!!
It was announced in ultegra level as well. GCN just hasnt mentioned it much if at all.
Edit: I am hoping for 11 spd 105 di2 soon
The hackers will be at the side of the race circuit shifting gears left and right wirelessly now.😂
I've been riding a semi-wireless FSA We groupset for a year. This configuration is indeed the best of both worlds. Shimano seems to have improved on the concept by making the rear mech the wireless hub as opposed to FSA's front mech being the hub. FSA's logic was that the rear derailleur was too far away for a reliable connection.
how i wish this Christmas, great series....
Love the fact they still offer a rim brake option.
Not wireless, LOL
I have been a life-long Campagnolo user and lover and have NEVER owned Shimano equipped bikes. This new Dura Ace has me thinking I may just be ready to add Shimano to one of my bikes. I do await the Campagnolo wireless groupset which must be in development.
I'm just glad we didn't have to look at Mr. Hairband in this video and just focus on the tech and how Si is explaining it to us.
That new canyon though 😍
I’ve watched this a couple
of Times. Until I decided to go and get it. Can’t wait to try this summer 2022.
😍😍😍. Thankfully I have put off my new bike purchase … Dura Ace DI2 W/ PM …. Here we come 😁
When the old discs were launched they weren’t noisy, now they are.
It’s all about the set up. Cars snd motorbikes don’t have squeaky brakes.
Yes genius, everything is relative. The original iPhone was good when it launched, but by todays standards it’s garbage.
It’s a beautiful groupset. Designed even more specifically than previous versions for road racing. Shimano has built the best road racing specific groupset they presently can produce. Why not fully wireless? They probably haven’t yet finished working that out without coming too close to copying SRAM’s eTap technology, and the last thing they want to do is pay licensing to a competitor.
Looks amazing, doubt I'll ever get the pleasure sadly! Any reason why you filmed it from a sit-on-ride lawnmower though? 🤷🏼♂️
Yes the noise was odd, made it sound like the group set was rubbing and the gears were not lined up properly
So glad I cancelled my long-languishing r9100 orders after waiting several months. Now my bare frame can be built up properly on the latest and greatest groupset in the world! (Well - October anyway. Not long to wait as long as the initial inventory isn't snapped up by youtube influencers immediately.
GCN did for bikes what Top Gear did for cars. The production is immaculate.
And since they have the same hair, Simon is practically Jeremy Clarkson's more well-mannered cousin 🤣
SRAM: Let's go with fewer teeth, it's lighter. Shimano: More teeth are more efficient. Oh and Dura-Ace is lighter.
Seriously I’ve been a big SRAM fanboy for their ultralight philosophy, but they’ve clearly abandoned that since ETap. Looks like my next ride will be running Shimano
Always thought 10t was silly anyways
And people believe their marketing bs
@@danielsvedberg2439 That's why I'm not upgrading my 10 year old 10 speed sram red anytime soon. New stuff is too heavy. Although I may go with Sram red 22...
A big die hard fan of Sram here, that Dura Ace looks awesome...
The "It's wheely good" at the end took me by surprise
6:57 Soooo Cross Chaining is ok with the new Dura-Ace it seems!! 🤩
Si is my favorite!!!! Legend presenter
Was able to see the gruppo @ Eurobike yesterday. It’s a thing of beauty.
No mention in this video about the programmable “thumb-operated” buttons integrated into the brake levers …
I am wondering about the exact surface color of the components - Is that a true black or a kind of dark grey or brown tint?
that stealth aeroad totally matches the black DA color scheme!
Sounds awesome! A top end group set centered around racers, not the average consumer or amateur cyclist. I can accept that. Non mechanical Ultegra though...can't wait to see the backlash in that videos comment section. Unless Shimano's 'trickle down' includes their price points.
Non mech dura ace, not ultegra
@@skillerpenguin7622 both new dura-ace and Ultegra are Di2 only
Best thing to me is that the brakes engage earlier in the lever pull. Drives me mad on my cx bike
Can we all just appreciate how nice the canyon is 🤩
Certainly nicer than the Pinarello 🤢
When I was a youth 5 speed blocks were fitted to racing bikes. They used to last the lifespan of the bike. These days because thin bladed cassettes are fitted, they wear out very quickly, the more rear cogs, the thinner they have to be and the result is they wear out at a much faster rate, needing numerous new cassettes now, in the lifetime of a bicycle and more profits for the manufacturer.
A 10 speed was a 52/48 with a 13/18. We rode smaller gears than current road bikes on mountain bikes, 20 years ago.
I mean you're looking at $10,000 to (?)$20,000 for a bicycle??? I $6000 was outrageous!!! We need to go back in time. People are so driven by marketing,...this is better, gotta have it!!!! Does that make riding a bike better or more fun,....or just make your testicles feel bigger.
Absolutely stunning video!
great video i am from venezuela and i wanna ask you guys how hard is to buy a bike from pinarello or canyon en europe here in venezuela with the economical crysis its utopical because in some ways a bike like the one on the video its cost almost like a house or an apartment and also with the covid pandemic the bike manufacturers are slow down a lot much the producction causing the shortage on stock of those bikes like cgn are told in another video a litle while ago thanks in advance
Great review. Looks stunning.
About time they come out with a group set that is designed to be shifted under load.
My Ultegra R8070 shift under load. My Ultegra 6800 not.
100% agreed on Di2 only Dura-ace, and I think there's still some niche with Mechanical version of new Ultegra, or maybe I'm wrong since this update feels like almost all about how they change the Di2.
The rotors are XTR MT900 rotors (60% better heat dissipation than previous dura-ace rotors, according to shimano's own research)
Looks nice. Just took a quick glance at the price and... well, not nice enough to upgrade from my five-years-old Shimano 105 haha.
If you want a better looking and better performing crank, a Campy Super Record works perfectly with Di2.
Why is there a closeup of the 52-36 chainrings at 7:20?
Looks like a nice upgrade. Any ideas why they stuck with the same rear derailleur pulley size. If bigger cassettes have more efficiency, surely that applies to pulleys too and they could have increased the size a bit larger without stepping on any ceramic speed patents.
There is an aerodynamic disadvantage of bigger pulley wheels, that is equal (or bigger) than the watt savings due to less drag.
Well done!
Great set of changes, but I think we're getting to the point of diminishing returns now. The old DI2 (I only have Ultegra R8070) is so good that by speeding up shifting a bit etc might not be that big of a deal, whereas 20 years ago it would have been. I suspect the cost will be extortionate, but it is a mighty piece of kit and I would love it. I think I'd save my pennies and get Ultegra though.
The Duraace and Ultegra feature set is identical, the only difference is a little bit of weight saving, about half a bottle worth.
@@ChrisP978 yes I know, why I opted for Ultegra 😊
Campagnolo super record would be my choice if I could afford it. ;)
Everybody: *Dura-Ace*
Subtitles everytime: *Durex*
Good to watch something i love yet i can never afford🙂
The shifting speed of DA 11-speed was already far more superior than Sram AXS 12-speed and this 9200 series upped the game once more. Also not sure why are the semi-wiredless group is lighter than the wireless ones 😅
When is the new 105 coming out?
The new 106
We MIGHT see an electronic 105 next year. But I personally doubt it.
Wow, the Shimano thinking on their 12speed cassette is, I think, right on track! I would love to see a comparison with the SRAM Red axs etap: Weight, shifting speed, battery like, PRICE, etc There is a rim brake option? But Simon says there is no mechanical option, is it for the fully wired version? #askgcn #askgcntech
What does the shifting wiring have to do with the brakes? Instead of a hydraulic line there will be a old traditional brake...
@@fantscher Simon says in the video that there is a rim brake version, but he also says that there is not a mechanical shifter version. Maybe I don’t understand or don’t know some things, but I thought that rim brakes are mechanical (as opposed to hydraulic brakes).
@@francoiscourtemanche117 yes there won't be mechanical shifting anymore. Only Di2. But just like with SRAM you can have electrical shifting and then hydraulic or normal brake cables. In it's most basic sense braking is always lever operated and mechanical :P
What Simon said meant, there is a hardwired version of the DI2 like it's predecessor 9150 i.e. none of the wireless transmission from the shifter but instead, the shifters will just connect like the last DI2's, thus the 50% battery increase. The shifters on the full wireless version has small batteries that will last c.14 months, so if you're concerned about those batteries depleting and you maybe in a position where you'll be stuck on a single gear, there is the wired version for those who fancy longevity in their shifters' battery life. Note, we're not talking about mechanical (cable) shifting here as this option is no longer available on the 9200 and 8100.
Only the rim brake version is fully wired.
it was watching a paid add the way this was shot LOL , Looks amazing can't wait to get the new group :)
Looks amazing :D
Looks cool, still hoping for a budget gravel groupset tho
almost a day late - by now I've seen like 20 of these video from every cycling related youtuber!
They had a video out yesterday. One of the first I saw posted anywhere. You must have still been asleep
"Wheely good" he says... Need to check it out. Thanks Simon!
If they ever make it, 105 Di2 will be their real money maker.
So how will that wireless tech work in a peloton? Will you change other people's gears as well as your own?
Does it come with downtube shifters?
What about surface color of the components - Is that a true black or a kind of dark grey or brown tint?
0:47
"Dura Ace is now 12 speed"
- My 1985 Raleigh Road Ace EX with full Shimano 600 Ex is 12 speed.
Granny ring gains.
Big Shimano Dura-ace release... expensive bikes, mood lighting, subdued frame... SMOEK MACHINE - and a stick holding the bike up... Hey have you guys seen the shadow stand available in the GCN store...?
I bet Si l the editing on this video making him look ridiculously fast in the transitions!
Nice! One day I might even ride it...
Save your money mate
Dope video
Someone teach Si how to say Dura-Ace. Even the subtitles think he is saying “Durex” 😂
I can see shimano's reasoning for not having a mechanical version, although I am personally not a fan of it. Mechanical is a lot easier in my book when it comes to the daily use of the group set. Don't have to charge it, don't have to worry about a battery dieing during a ride/race. Sure you're mechanical cable could snap, but i feel it's way less likely. I'd rather lose a few tenths of a second in my shifting vs potentially losing it all together if i forgot to charge the derailleur (which i would def do)
I like how Campy offers Super Record in both EPS and mechanical, the customer can choose their preference. Its logical in my mind to offer both at the very least.
I think its just - if you need / want mechanical then dura ace isn't for you anymore. Ultegra is 99% of the way there anyway.
@@1992gday yeah this is true. Ultegra is a perfectly good group and almost everyone i know goes with Ultegra because the cost vs benefit is much better compared to the extra cost of DA
@@MichaelPfuji sorry but D-ace is not for everyday use. It's performance gear. Unless you're at the top of your game, why bother getting d-ace
Di2 is very good as once set doesn't require adjusting. Gear cables deteriorate especially in wet weather allowing the shifting to out of adjustment.
@@MichaelPfuji The new ultegra is supposed to be in the electronic-only version
With a CAAD12 Ultegra I would first have to buy a new frame then the groupset. That's okay, no yearning to upgrade the remainder of my life. But it IS pretty!
5:28 I have the SRAM Red eTap and its only flaw is the shifting under load. It just doesn't.
However, SRAM got it right in every other aspect of their design. True wireless.
Shimano may call theirs wireless, but I still see wire sticking out of the RD, not to mention the ones that are internally routed in the frame.
Yeah I'll try that when I sell a couple of my kids..
Looks good tbh.
New to cycling.
Almost all the cycling tips videos say that cross chaining is bad. But at around 6:57 of the video, we see Si in big ring and largest sprocket.
I've seen Pogacar do this in stage 8 of the tour de france this 2021 as well.
When is it okay to cross chain and what are the negligible downsides during a race for example?
Mostly efficiency penalty (and therefore drivetrain wear). Sometimes you just want to use one shifter to get the cadence change you want I think.
I think I was most surprised by this being filmed during sunny weather. Anyway, I simply don't share your enthusiasm with Di2. I've had an Ultegra for 4+ years and it's quirky as hell. For a while, the bike should shift to the small chainring abruptly, but it has cleared up maybe with a firmware update. A more persistent problem is the rear derailleur shifting which can skip and hesitate and is infuriating on high-effort rides. If I were racing, I'd throw it in the garbage. I'll give this next generation a look since I'm planning another bike purchase next year but was thinking it would be SRAM.
How long before wireless gear changes are performed by buttons on the bars? Are there rules governing how gears must be changed in Pro races?
DI2 is as already costs an arm and a leg, and now, a lot of us will not be in a position to be able to afford the next Ultegra series too. It's such a shame because I was looking to do a bike build, and was hoping to buy the new R8100 series, but no mechanical option means the cost will no doubt be astronomical.
Perhaps, the new 105 R7100 maybe the same as the Ultegra R8100 but with a small weight penalty and possibly a mechanical option too?
Get a dutch city bike instead, that's not too expensive.
Great! Now I want it!!
I personally don't care how good or shiny it is, I don't want batteries on my bike. I need everything to work when I need to, not relying on batteries and charging them like a slave
You ride that much? I doubt it. Next you'll complain about how often you have to clean your chain.
@@richmanwisco it's not about the daily route pal, but all its life. Batteries has a life spawn, degrade can fail or even burn. A wire won't let you down, won't be an issue if you forgot to charge it, if you forgot your charger or if you are not in your hause.
So yeah, I don't want batteries in my bike.
Regarding my chain I clean it daily, every time I finish my run, as it should be.
@@nemure Hehehe so true. Now funny true story... Had a bunch of threads on the cycling forum made especially for cyclist who forgot battery or something fail and cant use their steeds so others from area can help them out lol. That`s what cycling is all about now a days xD